Step 6: Forming the bevel

Then I draw out the bevels on the edge
How much would a blade like this cost?
<p>I like the handle !</p>
<p>very nice!</p>
<p>Wow!<br>Nothing more to say about that piece of ART!<br>Superbly done! Congrats!</p>
I very much enjoyed this, thank you. It is always great to see good craftsmanship, and even better to see it shared. With that in mind, I think that some of the comments on page one have to be addressed. There is no single, right way to craft a blade, and although I personally would always encourage positive debate, we all need to be aware that or comments may be insulting to others. Positive, constructive dialogue: good. Negative or condescending comments: bad. <br>Once again, thanks to all, I have learned much from the instructable and the comments.
It looks freaking awesome. Where did you get the metal and for how much. <br>
The bladesteel came from Admiral steel, and the hilt steel came from onlinemetals. <br>I can't remember how much it was but it is a lot more now.
i dont have access to a forge atm, you reckon that I could cut a piece of plate still into the same shape, I know its not the same but itll be closse
you can it is called stock removal.
i dont get it
There are two ways of crafting blades, forging(forming the metal into shape) and stock removal (starting with an over-sized piece of STOCK and REMOVING the excess until you have the blade). both are equally legitimate and with the right techniques make exelent blades. Good luck.
i get it now! thanks
Unfortunately, with a stock removal process, you do not get the infusion of carbon into the blade that you do with a forging process, but this can be accounted for by using very high quality steel.
That is actually untrue. There are very specific temperatures and conditions at which carbon is absorbed into the blade and most of the time when a piece of metal is in the fire it is actually decarburising not gaining carbon.
I looked at your profile, and one of your interests is blacksmithing. out of curiosity, are you a blacksmith, or do you just like blacksmithing? Either way, the loss of carbon in the forging process is slow, but the infusion of it at those temperatures you mentioned is very rapid. Put simply, it is like filling a leaky tank with a fire hose. this process is what allowed ancient swordsmiths to create steel weapons when forging from Iron ingots. Japanese swordsmiths still use this method to create rare and beautiful swords. their materials are mainly comprised of iron-bearing sand and low-grade iron. these materials are made into steel by the infusion of carbon during the smelting and forging processes. granted, most of the carbon infusion occurs during smelting, when the metal is at a liquid form, and thus far more susceptible to carbon infusion, but a substantial amount of infusion occurs during the forging process itself. It is preferable to begin with a high-carbon blank or stock piece, but the reasoning is that it simply is easier to begin with a high grade piece than it is to bring the carbon content of a lower grade piece up.
I am a blacksmith. From what I have read, mainly in the Wayne Goddard Art of Knife making book, what you say is untrue. If you have a source that shows otherwise I would be happy to read it but the conditions that you use to forge the blade are not enough to significantly add carbon. What you say about the carbon infusion during the smelting is true, about the forging I would say not.
no, of course it doesn't significantly add carbon, at least, not enough to raise the carbon content very far, which is what I've been saying the whole time. the infusion of carbon at those few temperatures isn't enough to, say, raise the grade of the steel, but it is more than enough to maintain that grade. So, it seems we've been arguing two sides of the same point, and that is, that smelting is the only practical way to significantly raise the grade of the metal, but that, by using certain forging techniques, it is possible to maintain the carbon content of the piece you are working.
It doesn't even have to be very high quality, anything above 1040 would be more than adequate.
at the moment i am working on a stock removal saw using a chainsaw bar its coming out awesome
I am doing the same thing. I am using a 10&quot; bastard mill file to create a broken back seax from a spring steel blank. I have about 1.5 filled from the tip. It is very slow going!<br><br>Lots of Luck,<br><br>Fred Scoggins
Simply WOW! <br> <br>What talent and ability!
As Mr. Burns would say EX.. celletn!!!<br><br>You do nice work!!! And your Celtic/Norse art work is excellent as well!!! <br>I have been looking at collecting books on Celtic, Early Germanic, Anglo-Saxon and Viking Art. art history, mythology for over 20 years and have been creating my own interpretation of a Celtic/Viking style of art for 15 years.<br><br>I would say both your artwork and metalwork are outstanding!!! Very Cool!<br>
How thick is the blade after you're done?
im glad to see another intrested in norse style. iv looked at this before and was confused on the design. of course that didnt stop me from borrowing it. where do you get your ideas for the handle?
good frigin god this is a proses GOOD JOB MAN!!
I just ran through a translation with some of the runic alphabets that I have at my disposal, and I found a few things I wanted to ask about and also point out. First where is your alphabet source so that I can compare to the books and other documents that I use.<br /> Second you spelled cunning like &quot;cuning&quot; in this invocation. Also the &quot;D&quot; in forged seems to be swapped with a &quot;M&quot; just thought you would want to know for future works.<br /> Third where did you find your &quot;C&quot; rune for this since I am having trouble finding that specific letter. Yours appears to be a Anglo-Frisian &quot;Ch&quot; counterpart Khen<br /> And finally if you have been using Aglo-Saxon Futhark then shouldn't your &quot;O&quot; runes be Odal instead of the Os runes from the Anglo-Frisian alphabet?<br /> <br /> All that aside I really love and am inspired by your work but since I am also studying runes and there ceremonial applications I wanted to get your input and also share mine.&nbsp;
Thanks for the comment. I am by no means a runemaster, I use runes as a craftsman of the time might use them simply&nbsp; as a way of writing. The futhark i use for the invocations is a mix of acouple of different ones(eldar, anglo-saxon, and another that the name escapes me at the moment.) For pieces with engraving I will use one or the other of the historical futharks. I need to clarify that I an a Christian and do not use runes to gain any form of power but only as a means to write down the prayer for the piece I am forging. That said I also do not disbelieve that those skilled with runes could use them in that way only that I serve One who is more powerful.<br />
No worries - it appears that MMDCXLIII may be slightly more experienced in runes than you, but hasn't managed to ponder out the difference between &quot;they're&quot; and &quot;their.&quot; Also? Nice job on the weapon. You know, guys...the thing that this instructible was supposed to be about...? Yeah, that thing. It's awesome. <br>You mention that you put these runes down on the floor of your forge? Could you give us some idea of scale? Do you place your equipment in the center of the runes to do your work, or...?
The invocation fills the area between the forge and the anvil and is slowly worn away during the forging process. They are usually about 3ft in diameter.
I used a modified Anglo-Saxon Futhark, I can't remember exactly which version it is.&nbsp; Thanks for the input.<br />
Their also coincidentally or not, a form of runes from J.R.R. Tolkien's world, you can find them easily in The Hobbit<br />
Some of your Information is incorrect.<br><br>Tempering converts some of the martensite back into iron and Iron carbide.<br><br>Also, why three heat treatment cycles? A single two hour cycle should be more than sufficient for this purpose.
The tempering has to do with gain structure rather then actual composition. Three cycles are necessary to convert as much of the steel to martensite as possible, for a full HT it takes three cycles over a tree day period to insure that all of the steel that is going to convert has and that it has all been tempered. The transformation to martensite happens as the steel cools and more of the steel will convert if you heat it and cool it additional times (Three times being the best as additional cycles do not convert much more steel and have other less desirable effects). There is a fair bit more to it but it would take too long to type it all out.<br><br>
Three cycles are not necessary for total conversion of martensite.<br><br>there are several different structures that occur in an iron and carbon solution<br><br>ferrite (iron)<br>Iron carbide<br>Martensite<br>Pearlite<br>cementite<br>austenite<br><br>the ones critical to our discussion are austenite and martensite. Generally speaking all martensite is, is an unstable form of of austenite that occurs at elevated temperatures. Rapid quenching freezes the molecules in place and causes the steel to remain in an austenitenitic structure. All you are doing by tempering is allowing some of the steel to return to it's austenitic state.<br><br>I'm sorry but whoever gave you your heat treat information was incorrect.
Actually, Ben is right. To simplify what happens, when high temperature steel is quenched, it locks the grains into a high tension structure. This structure is very hard, but is very brittle. The tempering allows some of the crystalline structure to soften, making the blade softer, but far more malleable. Heat treating allows the steel to not only convert to a Martensitic structure, but makes it more resistant to wear and heat, as this structure is very solid and hard to break down. Austenite steel is only formed when the metal is heated to high temperatures, and loses its magnetic properties during forging. This is very short lived, reverting back to the high tension crystalline pattern when quenched. Therefore, Austenite is irrelevant except as a time gauge to use when forging, as this property of lost magnetism indicates the optimal time to forge, as well as the optimal time to normalize, a process by which one lines up the blade with a compass needle, forcing the magnetic particles within the steel to align with the Earth's magnetic field, forming lines down the blade, rendering the blade stronger, and not unlike a very weak form of pattern welded steel.
You're only partially correct.<br><br>If you quench carbon steel while it's at high temperature (900 C +) it forms the non-equilibrium phase of martensite. Which is hard brittle, and unstable. What tempering does is it returns some of this marstensite into austenite, then into it's other equilibrium phases. Resulting in a more durable blade.<br><br>Ben said that tempering turns the steel into martensite, which is just flat out wrong. The only time martensite is formed is during the initial heat, and quench.<br><br>Sorry, but your statement about holding the blade in alignment with magnetic north is just ridiculous. It does nothing to make the blade stronger. It's an old smith's tale. Proper heat treatment goes much further.
Au contraire. The magnetic alignment may not affect the overall strength of the blade very much, but it does help to prevent chips in the blade, which is very desirable, for obvious reasons. We are in agreement about the tempering conversion, because tempering merely loosens the crystalline structure, giving a blade ductility.
It doesn't &quot;loosen&quot; the crystalline structure, it changes it so that the number of slip planes increases, making the material more ductile<br><br>Don't pretend that the magnetic alignment does anything for the strength of the steel. This does absolutely nothing. The closest thing to what you are talking about is a cooling technique that they use for turbine parts, and all that achieves is an increase in high temperature strength.
I don't know what you're talking about with turbine parts, all I know is what I have seen in my own experience, and it has been my experience that aligned blades chip far less often than non-aligned blades.
And that's probably true, but not because of the earth's magnetic forces. All that is happening is you are allowing the steel to air cool a bit, which causes some of the martensite to change into softer states, making the blade less brittle (AKA Normalizing.
Regardless, that's the way I learned from my master, and that is how I will continue to do it.
And that's fine. It's perfectly normal for someone to hold on to their beliefs. Although I would recommend either taking a materials science course or picking up a book specifically on materials science. Also the ASTM heat treater's handbook is a great thing to have.
Do you have a full forge to heat your steel in? Or do you use a sort of smaller home made one?
I use a smaller forge for forgeing and a larger one for the heat treating.
great work!<br /> <br /> who else wants to come with me to kill justin beiber with this!?!?!
i do! i just made a dirk with this process and would like something soft and spineless to test it out on, lol.<br>
great instructions! i recently crafted a dagger using the same process, minus any heat treatment. i will post some metalworking and woodworking projects soon,so check em out when i post them.<br>
Amazing job. I can only dream of making something like that.
that is pretty amazing. you are good man
This sir is an AWESOME build.<br>I regret being iterested in so many things I would try even blacksmithing...<br>

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