Alright here's something some of you guys have been waiting for. I said that dsman and me were going to make a perfect side arm but instead we just improved our side arms. We are still going to try making a perfect side arm but for now I thought I'd post some improvements to the original TDS. Not too much has changed but the gun is a lot more rubber band efficient now. There is less friction in the barrel and the pin is held a little farther back.
Sorry for the bad instructions but I literally only had like 5 minutes to take pictures. I might improve the instructable another time.

Piece List Compliments of benboy207
7 yellow connectors
31 green rods
3 2slot connectors
1 metallic blue clip
1 blue 3d connectors
5 green connectors
2 big/micro red rod
1 micro/big rod
2 micro 1 slot connectors
2 black hinges
2 blue hinges
1 black rod
1 small gear
14 orange connectors
9 snowflake connectors
2 ball joint
5 red connectors
14 brown tabbed connectors
7 blue spacers
1 grey rod
5 blue rods
10 Y connectors
31 white rods
18 1slot connectors

Step 1: Handle

Alright this is a lot similar to the original except for a couple changed parts. By the way just to let you guys know this gun can also use dsman's ammo just as easily.

1. The main part of the handle. The black hand at the top is important as it holds the ram in place. You might be able to replace it with a green rod I'm not sure.
2. The same palm support that you've come to love. I added an extra part to the bottom so that the mag pusher part would blend in with the gun. You can remove that part if you don't like it.
3. Alright put them together.
4. These are extra parts for comfort
5. Add them simple as that. They should stay on without any trouble.
<p>Are there really only 31 green rods??</p>
<p>Well, yeah, it's a small gun. And a lot of those aren't even necessary. </p>
care if i use this handle on a current project? all credit for the grip will be given to you...
uh sure.
One thing-where is the other ball joint (other than the one on the firing pin) ?
Er, found it! Never mind...
Can you use blue clips instead of the tan clips (you said were brown thingamajigs with bumps on them) ?
&nbsp;awesome! the best sidearm i made!
What exactly is the goal of archieving a "perfect sidearm"? Btw, the vid isn't working. I need a youtube account to watch it.
making as sidearm which is "perfect"
"Perfect" in what way? What is the exact goal of it?
Confy,Powerful,realistic,Working*obviously*,You know a real gun but in the form of knex. I would like to see an MMG8 in knex go on youtube and search MMG8 to find out what i mean
post it if you make one... i will if i do...<br />
Nah, i haven't osted any guns yet, that means that i suck at them, i mean like its too hard, all mine end up blocky, i tried ona a really good pistol for 2 months it ddint change, because it looked like trash.
but the blocky guns are often the best and most piece efficient. looks dont matter to me, its function that does. for example, i modded the R-SAR to my tastes and piece amount by adding a rail for attachments at the back, a headrest, and making the barrel shorter at the end. now its really boxy and its awesome. there's nothing in that thing that's empty space, unlike a lot of guns... and it still looks relatively good.<br />
Lol, It won't fit over 2 bands and won't go over 40 ft. And also I need it to fit this kind of ammo<br /><br /><a href="http://www.instructables.com/id/Disposable-Paper-Ammo-Rounds-for-Knex-Guns/">www.instructables.com/id/Disposable-Paper-Ammo-Rounds-for-Knex-Guns/</a>
dang...<br />
&nbsp;I give up on posting knex guns, ever! You can get harassed here or at knexinnovation, I'm sticking to just making really large weps and never posting them. Just figured there is no perfect weapon, never because people can never appreciate what is right before them, just made MY perfect wepon...NO PICTURES! NOT SOON! MAYBE &nbsp;SOON! It's comfy and strong 120 ft.&nbsp;
I broke it and made another one in 3-5 hours. Making is fast but modding is hard. It uses 3 rubberbands, it can hold 10 trust me. And the trigger is very sable, only problem, its fraglies. IT uses some pivot-type joints pictures up soon.
does this gun use any modded (broken) pieces?<br />
not that I remember<br />
&nbsp;Account no longer in use?
Test<br />
&quot; Oh yeah the little hop mech. in the video should be easy enough to make by yourself. If you still can't figure it out then I'll post it later,&quot;<br /> &nbsp;&nbsp; <br /> &nbsp;&nbsp; please do
Sorry but this thing is old as heck. I'm done with it. The hop mech wasn't anything special. It decreased accuracy if anything. You could just tilt the gun up and get the same effect.<br />
how do you put the fist picture stuff on.
they dont actually clip on<br />
put the pin through the half circles then stick the pin in the back of the gun.
stupid video is private. I wanted to watch it!
I see why you complain that every gun looks like his. Go to the google images and search pistol. Every result looks like his, why? Becuase all pistols have no "butt" behind the handle, the handle is slanted with a smallish trigger. So basically, ALL PISTOLS LOOK THE SAME. And the TDS is no exception. MAybe i'll make my pistol with a butt..
Well duh because I was the first to make a pistol like this. The TDS was the first generic side arm. Before we only had loosewire's, Dsman's, and a few others mostly tube and stick guns. It was specifically after posting the TDS that I got others wanting to make their own side arms. Eventually it became a fad and went the way of the killerk pistol. Minor or a few changes would be made and suddenly it was someone elses.
What exactly is the goal of archieving a "perfect sidearm"? (sorry for double posting but I thought you didn't notice my first comment.)
It's old. Don't worry about it. The concept of oodammo made past side arms obsolete.
I remember when you and dsman were teaming up to make the perfect sidearm, then oodalumps comes up, makes oodammo, and pisses away months of sidearm development in favor of oodammo pistols.
I could probably make one now but it would still be out classed by oodammo guns.
but some guns are easier to use than oodammo guns, usch as the knex magnum(not killerk's) that's the only gun i can reliably cock and reload with only one hand, and doesn't consume too many pieces. sure, it has short range, but then again all hammer firing knex guns do. fortunately i prefer to snipe than be mid-range or up close.<br />
Have you actually been in a large scale war? Sniping is simply impossible unless you hide like in a tree and spot targets sitting perfectly still. Not to mention you also have severe range disadvantages with K'nex. You'd have to fin each piece of ammo and make sure your gun shoots at a very high velocity. Wind can easily throw off a plastic rod. Even if you can shoot a rod pretty fast, humans probably have fast enough reflexes to dodge it if they see you. And then you have reloading which would be a pain. If someone sees you, you're screwed unless you're carrying a repeating weapon to defend yourself with. I would never snipe primarily but I might have a long range weapon as a secondary if I saw someone trying to hide or something.<br />
not really; mostly just use a decently ranged repeater as my primary, and a small pistol as my secondary. i also usually have several secondary weapons due to the sheer amount of sotrage space on my person most of the time. if you've played COD4 you might recognize this technique: shotgun sniping. you can do it, it's just really really hard.<br />
Shotgun sniping is practically useless since the difficulty and the ratio of losing pieces to hitting people, shall we sya a ratio of hit : miss 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000:1
that's an analogy. even if you dont have too much range or speed, it can be done-its just really, <em>really&nbsp;</em>hard.<br />
I did 2 in-a-row lol.
consider this: the shotgun in cod4 has a definite, short range. now, think about it:how do you snipe with something that short-ranged? the answer:explosives behind you. you only get one shot, but its a definite kill... unless they move out of the way.<br />
or if you get head shotted first! low spread shotguns generally work better for this.
not really; shotgun sniping doesn't really work that well unless you're aiming for a group of enemies-then its insanely effective.<br />
Low spread causes more damage, so....what now, the chatting has gone to a dead end. Damn it!<br /><br />Check my new slideshow! My revolver, first picture on the web with my face on it!<br /><br /><a href="http://www.instructables.com/id/KMR-MY-new-revolver/">www.instructables.com/id/KMR-MY-new-revolver/</a>
no tin this case; at the speed youre flying if you do it right, the impact'll kill them. the shotgun's jsut so you can damage the other people without them all being i na straight line for you to hit them like a cannonball.<br />
So thats why people die when i afall at them! Now I understand, P&gt;S&gt; my rely and comment box is having problems, the side is cut off until i type past the middle
yeah. your weapon and your body are solid while you're alive. when you die your weapon becomes a pickup and your body becomes intangible.<br />
Sometimes i see people hum*ing my body after I die, and they nife at it, likke rap*ing, disturbing,how do they find time to do that and not get killed.

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