How to teach a cat to swim.

 by rsmaudsley
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So you may wonder why someone would need to teach a cat to swim.  For me it's a safety issue, but it's also because I have one real cool cat.  Her name is Sassy.

If you look at the first photo you will see that our sliding door from our house is not too far from the pool.  All of our cats are strictly indoors, but some of them want to explore outside.  To get out, many times they will dart out of the door in almost a blind run and nearly end up in the pool.  Many pets will "panic swim" if they end up in the pool.  This is where they flap their feet basically trying to walk on the water rather than swim through it.  Often times they get worn out and drown.

I've got six cats and Sassy is the only one that will dart out of the door and is the only one I feel needs swimming lessons.  She also happens to be a very adventurous kitty who I was sure wouldn't have problems once she got use to the water.

Based on some comments I will add a couple pieces of information here.
1. The pool has a solar heater and was around 90 degrees F.
2. The chlorine levels in the pool are maintained to just above drinking water.
3. Sassy had been around the pool for many months prior to this and so wasn't really afraid of it anymore.
4. I changed to title to better reflect what is actually happening.  I'm not teaching the cat to swim, but simply giving her a safe and calm environment to develop what should come naturally to her.
 
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Step 1: Safely get the cat into the water.

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This could be the trickiest part of all.  Most cats will "fight & flight" if they see you taking them towards a pool.  So the trick here is to not let them see the water while you are getting in.

Hold the cat comfortably in your arms and do whatever you can to keep the kitty calm.  Walk backwards in to the water so the cat cannot see you entering the pool.
godbacon says: Nov 13, 2012. 3:03 PM
whats next on your agenda, peace in the middle east?
rsmaudsley (author) says: May 24, 2012. 8:54 AM
Well, so much for being able to take Sassy in to the pool, at least for the next few weeks.

When I say that Sassy is "very adventurous", I meant it. She's also one tough cookie.

Last week I went to do our bi-monthly nail trimming on the cats and discovered Sassy had pulled off a claw and the tip of one of her toes. Basically she "declawed" a toe. We didn't find any blood in the house, so we are assuming it happened a few days prior when she had gotten out for a few hours and that by the time she got home the blood had clotted and the toe stopped bleeding.

She showed no signs of being injured and is running and jumping as if nothing had happened. She's on antibiotics now, but no long term exposure to water until the wound heals over.
Amiga500 says: Apr 29, 2012. 9:56 PM
Every cat I've seen fall in water, whether it was a pool or a bathtub, has basically bounced off the surface, given an evil look to anyone nearby, and run off. I really couldn't see the point of this Instructable, until I remembered my late boy cat, who was one of the sweetest, dumbest creatures I've ever met. He'd charge out the front door (indoor cat), panic, and run to the neighbor's house, trying to get in. More than once. Point taken, and I see no cruelty here.
rsmaudsley (author) in reply to Amiga500May 15, 2012. 11:47 AM
Thanks Amiga,

As I have said in a few other comments, if Sassy ever had ended up in the pool by accident, she probably would have gotten out on her own. But she is such a brave and adventurous cat that I thought she'd be up to swimming. I will try to get her to get ner the water on her own this summer.
Arsonista says: May 10, 2012. 1:12 PM
One of my all-time favorite Instuctables. Thanks for sharing!
rsmaudsley (author) in reply to ArsonistaMay 15, 2012. 11:44 AM
Glad you enjoyed it. I'm going to be doing some more work with Sassy to see if she has the potential of going in the water on her own. She is so food\treat motivated that I think I will be able to get her to
SamuraiGoose says: Apr 29, 2012. 12:09 PM
Excuse me but this is nonsense, I've had cats all my life, sometimes they have fallen into the pool and they just came out.
You can't teach a cat to swim, cause they already know, like all animals, even elephants.
If a cat or dog get drowned is only because they dint reach the border or the ladder.
So, if you providea WAY OUT it will be just enough, and it WONT drown (panic or not).
raven1913 in reply to SamuraiGooseMay 13, 2012. 2:45 AM
I have 7 cats and they all panic in the tub if I fill it to full for them to stand and don't hold them and calm them down and if I left them unattended they would probably panic into exhaustion I am sure and that is where they would drown. what he is doing is teaching the cat to rely on its self and to be confident in a bad situation which means life or death none of this is nonsense for example lets take human beings if not taught to swim most likely we would not be able to deal with a bad happening in water and drown but it is in or nature to swim that's why our fingers and toes have webbing but my 60 year old step mom still can't swim and panics in water even though she has a higher capability of logic processing than a cat.
SamuraiGoose in reply to raven1913May 14, 2012. 10:15 PM
I understand why he does it, but again, >>it's enough to provide a way out from pool<<
Personally i don’t think it’s necessary to bathe a cat neither, only in several cases of fleas.
They do a nice job keeping themselves clean. (My vet supports this also).

I've never heard of a drowned cat, I mean NEVER. Have you? in that case did the cat had a way out?

I'm sorry I don't consider adequate the comparison with your step mom or any human.
This is what this all the controversy of this instructable is about; People humanize pets. They should be treated with all love and respect. But they are not humans. There isn’t such thing as a good or bad cat/dog. It’s instinct.
rsmaudsley (author) in reply to SamuraiGooseMay 15, 2012. 11:41 AM
As I said before, if Sassy fell in the pool before I showed her she could swim, she probably would have made it out. I can't find specific numbers, only a generalization that approximately 5,000 pets drown every year. (www.petplace.com) .
We also keep the pool filled to just a few inches below the lip so it is easier and more likely for any animal to get out.

As for never hearing of a cat drowning in a pool, most people would probably never report this to anyone that would make the incident public.

But there is no harm in doing this and it's only result is I now KNOW my cat can swim.
mrcurlywhirly says: Apr 29, 2012. 9:16 PM
Cats this, cats that, its surprising the level of generalisation in some of the comments here, in my experience cats are as individual as snowflakes. 

Our current cat (who is now over 17 yrs old) would have taken my arm off if i had gone anywhere near a pool with him, yet he does not mind walking in the rain and getting wet (so long as it is his decision..) as much as most. One of my old cats would not have minded at all - didn't mind being washed - was even happy travelling in a car, and was totally trusting. Another was so neurotic he was scared of his own shadow, would scream the house down if he had to travel, trying to teach him to swim would have resulted in a complete mental meltdown.

In the end it is the responsibility of the owner to decide whether this instructable is applicable - or worthwhile - for their individual pet. Only the owner (or custodian as we prefer to call it) of the cat knows their own animals traits and thresholds, and can weigh up the benefits of this type of 'training'. Personally, i would not even consider it for our current cat, though if we had a younger pet and percieved a potential pussy in pool problem perhaps..
raven1913 in reply to mrcurlywhirlyMay 13, 2012. 1:58 AM
instead of owner or custodian I think of myself as dad I am there parent they my kids and as far as training a cat or any animal to do anything especially something out of there comfort zone it can be done you may have to be more patient or take a different approach with different cats but they all could be taught to swim I have 7 children and they are all extremely different in how I teach them to do things but I can teach them all to do the same things.
rsmaudsley (author) in reply to mrcurlywhirlyMay 1, 2012. 5:12 PM
Yes, cats are all very different. Of the 7 cats I've owned, 6 still with us, only two are suitable to being taken into the water. A third cat, won't touch the water, but loves to sit on a boogie board and float around the pool when we are in it.

I got Sassy when she was only about 6 weeks old. I knew from the very beginning that she was going to be one cool kitty, and she is.
Narimasu says: May 11, 2012. 10:22 PM
One of my cats loves to go out on the paddle boat with me, and of course one time while pacing around the edge he fell overboard. I thought he would be panicked when he surfaced, but he wasn't. Turned out he was a very good swimmer and headed back to shore on his own. (We weren't very far out and it's not a lake, but rather a pond.) When I got to him on shore, though, he was madder than a wet hen!! The looks I got!! He still goes out with me in the boat, but hasn't fallen over the side again; though he does jump off when we get near shore and wades the rest of the way in.
Strombergundy says: May 10, 2012. 12:44 AM
Cutest Instructable ever.
tsanford says: May 9, 2012. 1:44 AM
Awww this brought tears to my eyes. I LOVE that you love your cat enough to want to make sure if she does ever fall in the pool she will be able to swim enough to get herself out. Thank you for sharing this. Luckily my 2 cats have no desire to go outside(anymore) so I don't have to worry about it.
basefilm says: May 7, 2012. 7:41 AM
Thoroughly enjoyed reading this, thank you.

I'd love to be able to get our cats to the point of really loving swimming, like so many dogs do. Tigers and some other large cats naturally swim, see http://www.wimp.com/tigerspark .

You have some lucky cats, nice job!
pris54 says: Apr 29, 2012. 1:51 PM
The last picture is brilliant, Sassy's face says all... I can almost hear her thoughts "What the h*** is going on?!"
psargaco in reply to pris54May 2, 2012. 4:31 AM
Really?! Because what I read in her eyes is more on the vicinity of "MAMA!!!" :-)
hardmandone says: May 2, 2012. 12:47 AM
ushuaia says: Apr 29, 2012. 7:17 PM
You, sir, is the bravest cat owner I know. I'll save this for future reference (I have 9 cats, but we don't have a pool. Maybe I can start with an inflatable one).
rsmaudsley (author) in reply to ushuaiaMay 1, 2012. 5:16 PM
First try the bathtub. Maybe with just one or two inches of water. Let them investigate and see if any are willing to get in. If they have a favorite treat, put it on a plastic plate that can float in the tub. They will have to get in to get to the treat.

If you have a WalMart or Target near you, get a plastic kids pool, this way the kitty claws won't be able to puncture it.
ushuaia in reply to rsmaudsleyMay 1, 2012. 7:24 PM
Yeah, I was worried about the inflatable and it's prone-ness (is there such a word?) to punctures.

I don't have a bathtub, but I think I have a plastic tub somewhere here that my little cousin used before. Thanks!
pris54 says: Apr 29, 2012. 2:01 PM
What a brilliant instructable! Thank you rsmaudsley, I can tell you really love your cats.
I came across these instructions as I'm looking for information about cats and their swimming habits and instincts, I will soon be moving aboard a narrowboat (a canal boat, very common here in the UK), it will be a huge transition for my cat who is 2 years old and has lived always indoors, more than the swimming it worries me that she won't find a way out of the water, let's see how it goes!
rsmaudsley (author) in reply to pris54May 1, 2012. 5:25 PM
I think one of the other contributors here lives on a river boat. I would definitely make sure your cat is comfortable around water. i would start now using a bathtub with a a few CM of water to start. Put their food in on a floating plate so they have to go in to the water to get the food.

Look in http://www.gamma2.net/skamper-ramp.htm and see if it is something you could use where you will be living. You may also want to see about building a floating dock that basically just floats on top of the water and surround your boat with it. The cat will likely swim towards the boat if it fall in to the water. PM my in private, I have some ideas that would make it easy for you cat to get out of the water.
wblack3 says: Apr 29, 2012. 11:18 PM
Amazing instructable! Very funny, too. Yes, it does pay to be careful which cats are trained. I would suggest that very young cats (not kittens, however) may be more amenable, especially if the water is quite warm, as also the weather, and a nice sunny spot with warm bricks and without breeze to dry off in. I had a pair of Abassynians that loved water, and would actively hop into the bath with me. They were a bit demented. They also loved chasing streams of water from the garden hose all over the back yard until sopping wet.

Water training cats isn't as crazy as it might first seem. My last cat (Bill Clinton III) was very nearly 18 years old when he died. He needed occasional baths when he was unwell and not grooming himself properly. Getting him used to water earlier would've been better. He definitely minded the hotter water a lot less than cooler or tepid water!

Yes, an emergency cat-ladder is highly recommended, even in empty pools esp. if you are going away, unless you have good stairs all the way from the bottom to the top that an injured animal could climb.
rsmaudsley (author) in reply to wblack3May 1, 2012. 5:09 PM
The one advantage with Sassy is she is very treat motivated, more than some dogs I know. And with the right motivation you can get a cat to do just about anything.
I have another cat that is leash trained. His motivation was the ability to go outside and meet people. He loved going in to the kiddy area at a nearby park. it was enclosed with a 3ft fence, so I could let him off-leash and he'd just hang out and play with the kids.
leannkaattari says: Apr 30, 2012. 8:43 AM
I wouldn't be able to go in a pool with my Lucy unless I was wearing a suit of armor. You are one brave cat daddy!
rsmaudsley (author) in reply to leannkaattariMay 1, 2012. 5:04 PM
Sassy is an awesome cat. She's actually pretty good about letting me introduce her to new things. She's pretty tolerant of what anyone does to her, short of actually hurting her.
totally_screwed says: Apr 30, 2012. 2:19 AM
Toxoplasma gondii, a mind-control parasite is carried by many cats: http://is.gd/anEjmS
rfakhre says: Apr 29, 2012. 9:34 PM
I would love to see a video of this. even put some incentive in there so the cat jumps in a swims on her own to get it. that would be cool.
rsmaudsley (author) in reply to rfakhreApr 29, 2012. 10:59 PM
Sassy is HIGHLY treat motivated. I will be working with her in the summer to see if I can get her to go in on her own.
floatchick says: Apr 29, 2012. 1:40 PM
I'd just like to add my two cents. I agree that the main point is reducing the fear, not teaching how to swim. A kind of exposure therapy, if you will. And it seems very clear to me that you wouldn't have attempted this if the cat had a different temperament and/or didn't trust you and freaked out.

I'd like to share my story. I live in a floating home, in a marina. While I never wanted either of my two cats to have to learn to swim, a few times they have fallen in and managed to get out almost as soon as they hit the water. I figure it was pure adrenalin! (The fight or flight response).

The river has almost zero visibility (silty) and a strong current and it scared the heck out of me. Btw, I was outside with them, and they'd be out before I got to them.

The only time I got really worried about them becoming tired, was when Peanut actually jumped into the water because an off leash dog was charging towards her and she was too scared to come out! You can bet I had words with the dog owner!

After each time they fell in, it would take them about 2 hours to thoroughly clean every inch of themselves, even when I tried to towel most of the water off.

If I fell in, I don't think I'd have the strength to pull myself out without a ladder or help! Despite the adrenalin rush!

Also, I thought there were bylaws that you needed to have a fence with a self closing gate between your house ans your pool, but maybe not where you are. Just sayin', not judging.
Treknology in reply to floatchickApr 29, 2012. 3:53 PM
There is a breed of cat that naturally loves playing with water (can't remember the name). A former next door neighbor owned a Siamese that would swim across the river when they walked down to the beach.

Definitely, this needs to be taught young. I don't have a pool and (with the nanny-state regulations that surround them) I'm unlikely ever to have one.

One of my former cats, the most feral of the litter, used to develop an unhealthy smell. So he was used to being bathed once a week in the laundry tub. Current cat doesn't seem too fussed about water either. There may be a tray inside, but rain will not deter him from going out for his ablutions.

I think this instructable is an excellent demonstration that cats and water can mix but I would still have a good plank available rather than reach into the pool for the cat!
Suzanne in Orting in reply to TreknologyApr 29, 2012. 8:26 PM
The cat you are thinking of could be the Turkish Van.

Suzanne in Orting, WA
rsmaudsley (author) in reply to floatchickApr 29, 2012. 1:50 PM
Thanks r0ygb1v.

Yes, cats will usually get out of the water on their own. And when I do take a cat in the pool, I towel dry them as best I can then let them take over. At least the pool water is probably a bit cleaner than river water. :-)

New pools installations do require a fence, if you have children or are planning on fostering children. If you have an older pool without a fence, and want to foster children, you do need to get a fence installed. This pool was installed in the mid 70's long before and fence laws came about. And we have considered putting a fence in, but in order to do so, we will have to replace the segments of the patio where the fence is to be anchored. The patio is not thick enough to handle having holes drilled in it, according to the pool fence company we contacted.
hammer9876 says: Apr 29, 2012. 4:11 PM
I've had cats all my life. A few have liked water, but most didn't have a chance to find out about it other than a bathtub full of water. I assure you I never wanted to find out how much my cat would panic if it and I were exposed (!) to a bathtub full of water. If I had a pool and had cats that would dart out the door toward it, I too, would want to know for sure that my pets would know what to do if they were suddenly in the water. Good instructable. Congratulations on being "Featured."

"Cats have become fashionable pets these days." Um. Yes. They have been our pets for something like 9,500 years:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/04/0408_040408_oldestpetcat.html
Yup. That's fashionable.
Pattymouth says: Apr 29, 2012. 2:22 PM
Great instructable! When I was growing up on a ranch in Nevada, we had a cat that would follow us when we rode our horses out onto the desert and would actually swim across irrigation ditches to keep up.

But she also caught a fair number of jackrabbits that matched her in size and dragged them home, so ya just never know what a cat will do.

Have fun this summer! Sassy might just decide that she enjoys taking a dip once in a while!
divah says: Apr 29, 2012. 1:41 PM
Cool instructable. I once had a cat who would jump into puddles for the joy of it. The first time he did it I thought he was trying to jump over it. After the third time I saw him doing it I realized he was doing so on purpose.
Darkcast says: Apr 29, 2012. 12:46 PM
I would love to see a video tutorial of this
lemonie says: Apr 29, 2012. 2:41 AM
"Instincts should help the cat figure out how to use her paws to navigate"

Yes, cats can usually look after themselves; and if they are forced to deal with being in water they will, I've seen it happen.

That's what you're doing, forcing the cat to swim rather than teaching it. You're not doing any teaching; the cat is having to learn how to escape for it's self.



Next time see if you can encourage a cat to get in the pool without physically holding it in the water.



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rsmaudsley (author) in reply to lemonieApr 29, 2012. 9:30 AM
First, you are right in that the cat id really developing it''s own ability. I'm just letting her do it safely an in a controlled situation. I am planning on working with her this summer to see if I can get her to go in on her own.
lemonie in reply to rsmaudsleyApr 29, 2012. 12:45 PM
Your technique is like throwing a child in at the deep end and only intervening if they look like they're drowning. I think you treat the cats a bit too much like children; they aren't.

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tundrawolf in reply to lemonieApr 29, 2012. 7:21 AM
You'd better tell that to all the mother birds who push their babies out of their nests. Sometimes that is the only way an animal, and a person will learn.
lemonie in reply to tundrawolfApr 29, 2012. 12:57 PM
This chap isn't "Mother cat", I don't believe that it is natural behaviour for cats to dunk their kittens in water so that they learn to swim.

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rsmaudsley (author) in reply to tundrawolfApr 29, 2012. 10:37 AM
Yes, nature has a way of doing things. But then that goes back to the "Survival of the fittest" concept. When mama bird pushes baby bird out, not all survive. That's nature's way of only keeping the healthy and strong animals around.

Fortunately we don't live by that process.
tundrawolf in reply to rsmaudsleyApr 29, 2012. 4:15 PM
Yes, I agree, we are fortunate for a great number of things as human beings. My point was that I doubt if the author would have allowed his cat to drown. As someone who has spent a number of year around captive wolves, I can tell you the sink or swim approach is sometimes very necessary. Sometimes animals simply do not understand how important it is for them to learn something, and they must be "coaxed" in a far from ideal manner to get them to learn- but learn they must. Take for example my plush coat GSD imported from Germany. He would unlock and open doors inside the house, or with the help of his girlfriend open doors or windows, and go for an unscheduled run through the busy city streets. Scolding, coddling, every imagine trick was tried, but their wanderlust was never abated. So we invested $450 in a wireless "fence" system with remote control shock collars. One day while walking him, he approached another dog (He was very dog aggressive), and I gave him a little shock when he turned to maul the other dog. The owner of the dog said "that is cruel!" as my dog whimpered slightly. (This was near the Estancia bluffs) I replied "what is cruel is my dog being hit by a car and dying alone by the side of the road, or him tearing your dog apart!" to which he had no reply. We live in a far from ideal world, and sometimes far from ideal methods need to be employed for any given animals ultimate benefit. I simply see no other alternative for the author than what he did.
Kinnishian in reply to lemonieApr 29, 2012. 7:01 AM
uhm, you're wrong. While it's true he's not exactly teaching it, he's acclimatizing to the cat to the water because if it's the first time they try to swim, they often panic and cannot swim. Only in calm conditions can the cat naturally learn how to swim, is the idea.
rsmaudsley (author) in reply to KinnishianApr 29, 2012. 10:39 AM
Yes, I see your point. I'm not teaching the cat to do anything that it probably wouldn't already know how to do if it had to. But rather then take the chance that she panics in the water, I chose to give her a calm and safe process for developing her swimming instincts. Even my comments in the text of the Instructable mention that I am only letting her safely develop what she already knows.
Kinnishian in reply to rsmaudsleyApr 29, 2012. 11:33 AM
Yes! For some reason my reply comes after a long chain of replies that never existed when I made my reply.

The "your wrong" which I said was a little too blunt, and supposed to be directed to the person who I felt was also being very blunt in telling you (rsmaudsley) that you were not teaching the cat thing.

I absolutely consider this to be teaching, and the fact you could do it with your cat shows you have a pretty sweet bond of trust.
XofHope says: Apr 29, 2012. 10:49 AM
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hjjusa says: Apr 29, 2012. 10:27 AM
I realize people reading this like cats and I will receive a lot of flak for this but I just can't resist. Throw the stupid cat in the water, it'll swim guaranteed,
HWACK in reply to hjjusaApr 29, 2012. 10:37 AM
Absolutly "CORRECT" When you live on a farm for any even slightly extended period of time, this is one of many things about nature you will learn.
rsmaudsley (author) in reply to hjjusaApr 29, 2012. 10:32 AM
haha...actually there's no guarantee that cat will swim safely out.
Cats and dogs have been known to panic and tire out and drown in pools. And, this is the "teaching a cat to swim" method that is frowned upon by animal welfare groups, that metalliman if probably referencing to.
Mahalia says: Apr 29, 2012. 10:36 AM
Dude! You're not teaching this animal anything. Cat's swim naturally, The don't like to do it, most will not voluntarily do it (except tigers and certain rare breeds), but they can do it instinctively, just like dogs, horses, mice, rats, even elephants - most four legged animals. In fact, some places, when they "flea dip" your animal, just toss it into a the center of a vat of liquid flea killer and let the animal swim to the edge and get out. Coats them all over instantly. I'm not sure if vets still do it that way, but they used to.
metalliman3871 says: Apr 29, 2012. 9:18 AM
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rsmaudsley (author) in reply to metalliman3871Apr 29, 2012. 9:57 AM
Hello,

I'm not sure what your experience with cats is, but you details are a little off. The water will not strip the cat of the oils on it's fur. And even if it did, the oils are quickly replaced by the cat's own natural process.

I have 6 cats. Of those six I only have two that have been in the water. When I start this process I look for the cats fear level and if it appears it is going to be too much I don't do it. Fortunately the cats that are OK with this are the ones who love to escape to the back yard and they are the ones who have been giving the time to develop safe swimming skills. That cats that it bothered too much don't want to leave the house anyways.

Please link to the RSPCA information.
grundisimo in reply to metalliman3871Apr 29, 2012. 9:24 AM
First, You have no idea what you are talking about. Oil, having a different density than water, will not allow the water to separate it from the fur. That's why we use shampoo. Second, Putting a cat in water will not kill it, you twit. Just because it doesn't like it, doesn't mean it's allergic to it. That's like saying if you fed a kid ketchup, and he had no allergy, he just didn't like it, it's basically saying since he doesn't like ketchup it'll kill him. Get your facts straight, and leave the poor author of this instructable alone.
metalliman3871 in reply to grundisimoApr 29, 2012. 11:13 AM
Guess you never heard of heart attacks caused by shock, just hope you never get too scared
rsmaudsley (author) in reply to metalliman3871Apr 29, 2012. 12:10 PM
You bring up a good point here Metalliman, about being too scared. However, as I have clearly stated in other messages here and in the original text of the Instructable, I do not subject just any cat to this . I learn about their character and behaviors to make sure they are going to be ok with it. In fact, look at the text again and notice where I say that she just decides to hang out with me and not try to swim. Because she as too calm and not really concerned about getting out of the water.

Sassy is an overly brave cat. She does things that boggles the mind. Like she will try to play with power tools that I am using. She is beyond normal intelligence. I made a trick treat box and most cats either didn't figure it our or took several minutes. Sassy looked at it, walked around it and with the flick of the paw did what she had to do to get the treat. She did three times and is now bored with it. btw, this will soon be another Instructable of mine.
metalliman3871 in reply to grundisimoApr 29, 2012. 11:08 AM
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mmeariane in reply to metalliman3871Apr 29, 2012. 1:36 PM
What kind of person threatens someone for insulting them once, and then goes on to insult - multiple times - that same person they are threatening with a complaint??? You then expect us to take your advice, links, and claims to vet studies seriously??? Perhaps you need to review this site's "be nice" comment policy. Also, I am sure you are aware that all caps in a message signify yelling.

rsmaudsley, I love your instructable! Not for all cats but I have one who is not affraid of anything and likes water so I will try it. Not for my other guys though... they would probably rip my face off! :)
ManifoldSky in reply to metalliman3871Apr 29, 2012. 11:48 AM
So, you link to a site with opinion pieces submitted by random people with no proof that they are vets and think that your point has been proven? Perhaps a few instructables in fundamental logic are in order.
First, you claimed your source was the RSPCS, and then posted a link to a random pet site. This is not any sort of proof.
Second, again, there is nothing to indicate, contrary to your implication, that the writer is a vet.
Third, even if the writer were a vet, this does not validate their point. This is a little logical fallacy known as an Appeal to Authority.
Fourth, the items discussed have nothing to do with veterinary care, and are, instead simply speculations on evolutionary biology, an exercise fraught with danger, and conclusions based on these suppositions even the evolutionary biologists take with a grain of salt.
Fifth, doctors, and vets as well, are notoriously TERRIBLE scientists, and this is a perfect case in point. Notice that not a single corroborating fact was submitted to support the hypothesis.
Finally, a LOT of the statements in that piece are demonstrably false, thus calling into question ANY conclusion based thereon.
And for the record, most of the statements made by that author to support their point about cats and water could just as easily apply to dogs, tigers, otters, and seals, most of which have great affinity for water.
metalliman3871 in reply to ManifoldSkyApr 29, 2012. 3:06 PM
ManifoldSky, No i quoted the RSPCA not the RSPCS??? and the link i posted was neither random nor just a pet site, but was the only lonk i could find to an american site, my RSPCA quotes are not from websites, they are from years of training and knowledge,
And for the record, most of the statements made by that author to support their point about cats and water could just as easily apply to dogs, tigers, otters, and seals, most of which have great affinity for water.
this is not very logical, Since the author wrote this instructable aimed SPECIFICALLY at CATS, which are well known to live in hatred of water and swimming,
by the way, Tigers are actually quite good swimmers, as you would know if you ever watched any Cat Week programs,
may i also point out, that while i trained as a vet, i never actually pursued a career as a vet, but it always amazes me how people seem to want to say how bad the pro's are at what they do, they dont become pro's for nothing,
nevertheless, my point was not exactly based on science in the first place, my concern was for the MENTAL health of the cat, knowing how so many people do not take these things responsibly, i am concerned that some people would not take as much care as the author of this instructable, and would ultimately condemn cats to a watery grave through shock, how woould we all feel then?
i do wonder what would happen if i linked to this page on PETA's website?
ManifoldSky in reply to metalliman3871Apr 30, 2012. 2:01 PM
Item by item:
1) The "A" key is right next to the "S" key; if you can't figure out a simple typo, especially on a site whose forum software does not allow editing, that is on you, not me.
2) No, at NO point did you "quote" the RSPCA. The word "quote" has a very specific meaning, namely to repeat VERBATIM. It does NOT mean to take words of your own and assign them to another, even if you think that source would agree with what you write. This is not only dishonest, it is highly unethical. Again, you DID NOT quote the RSPCA (or anyone else for that matter).
3) The link you posted was NOT from the RSPCA, but was posted as a response to a call for a citation for your supposed quote from same. Instead, you posted a link to what was indeed a random site (as it had nothing to do with the aforementioned RSPCA) and tried to pass it off as if it were from your purported authority.
4) My statements about other mammals are COMPLETELY logical, whether it is within your capabilities to see it or not. But to spell it out, you make a number of statements you claim serve as either proof or explanation for why immersion in water is bad for cats. However EVERY one of these statements can be made for the other mammals I mentioned, dogs, tigers, otters, and seals, among others, for whom no claim of water aversion is being made, and about whom such claims would be patently foolish. As such, ALL your statements are thus invalidated.
Or are you claiming that tigers, unlike domesticated house cats, do not have essential oils on their fur, or that these oils have some magical property that allows them to not be removed by water? Or that they are somehow able to thermoregulate in a way that domestic cats can not (even though tigers are comfortable in winter habitats).
5) I am not saying vets are bad at being vets, I am saying that vets, and doctors as well, are NOT scientists, many are particularly BAD at science, and yet want to masquerade to the general public as if they were. They are not.
That said, however, your claimed training as a vet is telling.
FTR, NONE of the arguments you made have ANYTHING to do with being a vet, nor are vets better equipped to make them. Your arguments are about biology, and specifically feline biology, and even more specifically, feline evolutionary biology. Sorry, but veterinary training in this field is all but nonexistent.
Not that it matters, as making this argument, as I have already pointed out to you, is a logical fallacy, known as an "Appeal to Authority", and is logically invalid. (That you continue to make it calls into question your ability to criticize the logic of others, as you did in your previous post.) As such, I will also refrain from pointing out that I AM trained in the biological sciences, as that too, would be an invalid argument.

As to the rest of your argument, first, I suspect that the number of cats who would potentially die of shock as a result of this treatment would essentially be zero. Animals that die of shock from falling into pools do so as a result of a trauma they are unable to escape. As no one is calling for anyone to throw a cat in a pool and walk away, this line of reasoning is, again, unsupported by the evidence. Second, I suspect the author would respond that having the cat in the water in a supportive environment is much less likely to lead to life-threatening shock than if it fell in the pool in the middle of the night, with no one there to help it out.
If animals died in that circumstance, when they might have been saved by being familiarized with water, how would YOU feel then?
Third, who cares what PETA has to say? While they might decide to chime in on this particular thread, I doubt they would have much to say about the site in general. In any event, they would be just as wrong as you, and I would make the same comments to them, if they attempted to get away with the same disreputable tactics.
throttlehog in reply to ManifoldSkyApr 29, 2012. 1:02 PM
AMEN - most well written reply thus far...
rsmaudsley (author) in reply to grundisimoApr 29, 2012. 10:00 AM
Thanks. I've learned that there is always going to be controversy no matter what you discuss on the internet. There are just too many people out there.

Thanks again.
grundisimo in reply to rsmaudsleyApr 29, 2012. 10:25 AM
I'm sorry... I guess i need to be clear of who i'm talking to.. I loved your instructable and felt the need to correct metalliman3871
rsmaudsley (author) in reply to grundisimoApr 29, 2012. 10:34 AM
I knew what you(grundisimo) meant. I was thanking you for coming forward and I was referencing metalliman as the controversy.
metalliman3871 in reply to rsmaudsleyApr 29, 2012. 11:12 AM
Wonder which one of us is the vet here??

http://www.pethealthandcare.com/askquestion/2970/why-do-cats-hate-water.html

No controversy, just plain fact, cats hate water because it gets trapped under the fur, making it hard for them to regulate temperature, and heart attacks do not come from allergic reactions like the dummy said, but from a sudden SHOCK when being forced into something that they dont want to do,
i did point out that my comments were sourced from the RSPCA thats the ROYAL SOCIETY FOR THE PREVENTION OF CRUELTY TO ANIMALS,
lindaoak says: Apr 29, 2012. 8:49 AM
This is the most amazing instructable I've ever seen. Not only was it educational, it was also very entertaining. Sassy must indeed be an unusual cat to let you do what you did with her. Your touch and intuition is remarkable. Obviously, you love your cats very much. And vice versa.

Great pictures, too. Very useful for those brave enough to give it a try with their own cat. Between you and your photographer, there may be a future for an ususual cat book.

Years back I had a Bengal that enjoyed the bathtub, but he WAS a Bengal. He did it in water buckets as a kitten. Later he did it when my sister was bathing. They were soulmates and had a special relationship. It was love, IMO. Love of her, and love of water. Maybe Sassy likes water as well. You are special to her or you'd never have pulled it off.

So thank you again for posting this. I loved it. Yes, I'm sure some people think it's silly, but water safety for cats is a big deal. Anything can happen. Plus it's good exercise and some "primal" experience for them. You have given her a great gift.

Cats rule.
rsmaudsley (author) in reply to lindaoakApr 29, 2012. 9:46 AM
Thank Linda.

Cats are great animals. It's funny how many people will say they don't like cats because they are "aloof" or to independent, my mother being one of them. But after just a day in our home you will either love cats or hate them because they spend too much time crawling on shoulders(Sassy), or standing up to you meowing loudly(Paws and Diego) or force themselves in to your lap when you are sitting down.(Sienna, Benny, Paws and Diego). The only cat that keeps his distance is the 15y/o senior, who will still come out to greet guests, but then goes back in to the bedroom to sleep.
dbbd says: Apr 29, 2012. 8:22 AM
Now that the cat learned how to swim, does it join you?
Does it swim for its own pleasure?

I'm curious.
rsmaudsley (author) in reply to dbbdApr 29, 2012. 9:36 AM
Not yet, but I will be working on that this summer. Sassy is highly treat motivated, more than some of my dogs. I'm sure I can get her to do just about anything.
markmba says: Apr 29, 2012. 7:27 AM
You missed an important step. Before you do anything, trim the cat's nails, put on a t-shirt or a sweat shirt, grab poly sporran and band aids. And Never, ever attempt to give your cat a shower before the swim or you will be wearing a cat firmly planted on your head. Trust me on that one.
rsmaudsley (author) in reply to markmbaApr 29, 2012. 9:35 AM
haha..Yes, this is definitely something you could do. I'm actually thinking of getting a "shorty" dive suit or at least the top part of one the next time I do this. :-)

sunnysh says: Apr 29, 2012. 9:24 AM
What a sweet and caring cat daddy you are! I love this, and I love that you are teaching your little adventurer what to do if the little one gets into the water. When cats get wild, they sometimes find danger, and you are helping the kitty cope with danger. How nice! Thanks for posting.
neutron7 says: Apr 29, 2012. 8:58 AM
I think I would need a Kevlar shirt to try this with my cat.
ohforgodssake says: Apr 29, 2012. 8:53 AM
Cool cat. In that first picture he is obviously swimming on his own. Tigers and Jaguars love water so I believe a kitty could learn to tolerate it if not even enjoy it. The main issue here was safety for the cat and that was successfully accomplished..
josbd says: Apr 29, 2012. 8:50 AM
Wonderful instructable! Thank you :)

Many years ago I had along haired Persian named Toby. He used to get into the shower with me every morning. Only problem was I had to get up earlier for work to give me time to dry him too... !
pizzarebbe says: Apr 29, 2012. 8:49 AM
I can confirm that the system works with humans; when I was 6 months old my mother, who was an excellent swimmer then, took me out to sea on a small dinghy (I grew up in Napoli, Italy) and jumped into the water with me, letting me free (the sea was calm, she told me years later) . I swam, naturally, and do to this day, so I want to take the opportunity to tell all parents who read this (incidentally in the Jewish religion there is a positive commandment to teach your child how to swim, and of course the child will have a lot mor fun swimming with kitty...) to not let baby miss out on a competent swimming teacher before age three, when it is a lot harder to learn.
bytehead says: Apr 29, 2012. 8:37 AM
I've got cats that have learned on their own. The frogs love our pool, and some of the cats can't help but hunt the frogs, and end up getting in the water. Ones still doing it after four or five years!
metqa says: Apr 29, 2012. 7:24 AM
What a great instructable. People may think it's silly , that cats will swim on their own, but the panic reaction will kill them, because even though they may stay afloat while flailing, they will tire quickly cause they are not "swimming" efficiently enough to be able to get to a safe edge before they tire and sink. It's great you mention strengthening their ability and skill in the water, and reducing fear and panic. Those two things are what will save the cat if it is ever suddenly in water. Babies know instinctively how to swim, but that instinct disappears shortly after birth unless it is reinforced. Same for most animals, reinforcing and exercise will only make them better and safer. My cat, I had to bath as a young found kitten, and the experience was so without fear that he took to joining me in my bathub. No more bubble baths for me. Now that he's older, he's lost interest, but I'm glad he doesn't have a reactionary fear of water. He doesn't know how to swim but he doesn't freak out in shallow water at least. Again, Great Tutuorial and I'm glad you have a pool safe cat!
jessyratfink says: Apr 27, 2012. 9:24 AM
This is definitely one of the best cat instructables of all time. Makes me wonder if I can convince my cats to have a go, they already attempt to swim in my dog's water bowl. :P
madenairy in reply to jessyratfinkApr 28, 2012. 8:18 AM
jessy question, how big is yore dogs water bowl? what kind of dog is it, a great dane crossed with a shetland pony, perhaps?

great 'ible thow, and i used to have cat called 'pippy' - he was like a re-incarnated hippy, he lived to the ripe old age ov 29! and he used to love the water, he'd clime into the sink welst you were doing the washing-up
jessyratfink in reply to madenairyApr 28, 2012. 12:02 PM
Hahaha, he's a German shepard/Rott mix, and the water bowl is not too big, but we consistently find one of the cats (especially the younger one) climbing into it. The youngest one often sticks both her front legs in, all the way up to her shoulders. :P
madenairy in reply to jessyratfinkApr 29, 2012. 6:52 AM
i bet u dont get much trouble from burglars...

and i further bet the cats are the wons in charge, but didnt i reed that its not a good idea to bathe cats? it leeches oils owt ov thare skin?
ohforgodssake says: Apr 29, 2012. 6:44 AM
Hey man, what did you sit in?
AussieAnglerGal says: Apr 28, 2012. 6:20 PM
what a cool cat!

we have "the worlds biggest and best" swimming pool in our back yard
by that i mean a beautiful,clear,clean river!
lucas knows what the river is and won't come near it, unless he's relaxing on the sand while we swim
i don't think i could convince him!
turbonegro says: Apr 27, 2012. 11:41 PM
I had a blue persian cat that was built like a bear
And very clumsy i often had to rescue him hanging from the "windowsill ?"
His rear feet just 1 cm off the floor and screaming for assistance
And always knocking potted plants over and stuff
But he absolutely loved water in all forms
It was impossible to take a shower or a bath without him hanging around
Ive had lots of cats and all of them would put up a bloodbath facing water
But not that one (Victor) RIP
rsmaudsley (author) in reply to turbonegroApr 28, 2012. 9:42 AM
I have another cat that used to always sleep in the bathroom sink. I would usually take him out before I started the water. One day I turned the water on while he was still in the sink and he stayed there until it got up to his nose.

Hey stood up, gave me a " 'F' You Daddy" meow and took off. For man years after that he would jump in the tub or shower. he seems to have outgrown the water and doesn't do it anymore.
iminthebathroom says: Apr 28, 2012. 4:42 AM
want to see "how to teach your cat to fly" next! awesome
rsmaudsley (author) in reply to iminthebathroomApr 28, 2012. 9:38 AM
Look on Youtube. There are skydiving cats.
rickharris says: Apr 28, 2012. 4:06 AM
1. Most cats don't like water (not all though)

2. Most if not all cats like most animals swim instinctively you don't have to teach them anything.

rsmaudsley (author) in reply to rickharrisApr 28, 2012. 9:34 AM
Yes, many, maybe most cats, will instinctively swim and get out of the pool the first time they fall in. But a lot of cats will panic and wear themselves out before they get they can escape the pool and drown. I prefer not to take a chance on my cats being in the 2nd group.
poofrabbit says: Apr 27, 2012. 8:57 PM
This made me smile. I've never had a cat like water, but I have known others who had those that do. (I have a friend who's cat LOVES showers and getting under faucets) My oldest cat (he's 15) hates water, but will tolerate it if I hold him close to me. My kitten (she's a year) likes to paw at water, drink out of the faucet an is curious about water...but I have not attempted a bath. She's so laid back, I might be able to get her to swim. Very fun 'able!
howdotheydothat says: Apr 27, 2012. 8:51 PM
Perhaps the title of your instructable should be changed to "How To Get a Cat Not To Fear Swimming", since all cats can swim without lessons. Aside from that, glad to come across another cat lover. The world needs more of us!
rimar2000 says: Apr 27, 2012. 9:53 AM
In Spanish there is a saying "carry the cat to the water ", meaning "get the upper hand". Congratulations.

In hotter days of summer I take my cat Heidi, put her in the washing tub and soak with water, to keep her fresh. She grunts, snorts, looks like will destroy me, but holds on. Then, she is grateful for the treatment.
Truehart says: Apr 27, 2012. 6:51 AM
Great 'ible! very informative and lots of great pics. Well done!
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