This Power-Point Shows The Basics Of A Hydrogen Dry Cell.
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Some of the benefits of a dry cell are that it is much less corrosive than submersion. They are also very efficient, some 90% and up, unlike the average 20% of a combustion engine. They have much higher output than other generators too, small ones get up to 6 liters per minute, 3 huge party pop bottles in a minute.
The down sides are that they are extremely expensive, and ... I don't know what else but feel free to tell me.
More info here: DRY CELL PDF
Also Here: hydrogen dry cell PP
Yea Here Is The New One:NEW AND IMPROVED VERSION
Some of the benefits of a dry cell are that it is much less corrosive than submersion. They are also very efficient, some 90% and up, unlike the average 20% of a combustion engine. They have much higher output than other generators too, small ones get up to 6 liters per minute, 3 huge party pop bottles in a minute.
The down sides are that they are extremely expensive, and ... I don't know what else but feel free to tell me.
More info here: DRY CELL PDF
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this is how I first figured it out.
thanks a lot bro.
p.s. how does this work?
The closer the you connect the neg the hotter and more nigerous it bubbles but things start getting hot but also the AMP per density of the Soda causes it to suck more AMPS in so i just to to tweak around a bit.
But happy :) it's working.
B.T.W i did grind every cell but still that didn't change anything it's the neg pos to far spaced apart, i guess as you say more volts and amps would get it going but my aim is to run 12 Volt battery bank!
I would never achieve anything without such ppl sharing there bright thoughts. Thanks a lot!!!
P.S. I will run this in my car next week.
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I turned the cell upside down while still connected by chance to begin drain empty the distilled water and soda to add some salt instead then i noticed it was producing hydrogen bubbling only in the small area just around the larger 10ml thick holes where it was drilled right through i also had to angle grind the bevel edges around the hole after drilling to get them smooth.
So could it be that the plates are coated with something other then stainless steal and once gridded it is stainless steal below?
ALSO, I JUST THOUGH OF THIS AT THE END SO READ IT FIRST
If you have a port on both sides I bet that the electricity flows from around the hole through the hose to the other hole which also could explain the bubbles around the hole. I also may recommend lye for an electrolyte, it is much better than baking soda and salt. I also don't recommend aluminum. I am not sure if it is just me but my rods have been corroded down to nearly nothing in my $100 cell that produces just like yours. Thanks for your interest in my post, I like to help people as best I can. You have a very nice cell from what I can tell, thanks for telling me about the washing machine, I am going to the dump soon to look around.
MY BEST advice is to grind down each plate and then try it, if that doesn't work I guess I may have to ask for a video of the whole thing.
I'm not sure on how to test conductivity of the plates? but will try the grinding of them soon. Goal is to use this in a shipping container unit as cooking and who knows it may run a Sterling engine or something but the goal is to use 12 Volt regular car batteries or a 12 Volt source and least expense as possible.
I don't recommend using the salt as i immediately noticed rust appear across the entire plate surface and the water turned black from the black die in the gaskets. Not sure what the gaskets are made of but some sort of rubber. Just using Soda for now to test as it's cheap but not sure of where the other stuff is.
I have a heap of batteries i got from the Tip that are still good and have 5 connected up in series on 12Volt DC i think that would have increased the AMPS they are 12V x 36 AMP Hr batteries each so i will try that connected next. But first will grind each plate.
Thanks for your ideas and reply and helping! How is a 'ground' plate make effective?
To test the conductivity you can simply use a meter on two points of your plates, or you can see if a small 9v battery will spark when you make contact and slowly pull away. This shipping container sounds interesting but, what exactly do you want to do?
Yea, Salt is bad, I am now out of rod in my cell because I just used two rods in the top of a bucket.
12v DC batteries in a series actually increase volts so you have probably about 60 volts.
The ground plate I am not sure about but here is a link to my new powerpoint that elaborates more on neutral plates and wiring.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0Bwr447_8sgKEZjU3M2NlNTYtM2Y1Yy00MzMzLTk0OGYtZTc3MDgwY2Y2MzVi&hl=en
The shipping container concept is to create a fully self sustainable place that can be transported and put anywhere and all you will need is to add or collect water and sunlight to make electricity to run it and live in it. Australia is very sun friendly so anywhere most places in Australia it would work.
So just lots of experimenting and thing going on as the project is a slow one. I have bought the container and began on all sort of little projects around it i.e experimenting with hydrogen to see what can be done with it.
I really just wanted to do the hydrogen cell because i have been cooking eggs that my chickens lay in an 240 Volt electric fry pan and want to take advantage of free way to cook it. I want to turn the grid power off soon.
I think i made a mistake with the batteries each ones neg connects to the next ones neg so they r ending up all 12Volt. Must be parallel I'm doing it?
Conductivity must be working as it's generating tonnes of Hydrogen now and that's only half the plates working.
Now that it's working i will tweak it add more cells, get stainless steal bolts, proper electrolytic and connect more negs and positives along the plates and possibly add cooling convection radiator and sell fulling system.
Have a video to upload for you of it.
Have you heard of a PMW being used, if you don't wan't to deal with that kind of money I recommend you turn your household AC to DC, it is almost the square wave in PMWs but it curves up and down, flat lines, and repeats. It will work very well I hope and I am exited, good luck with hour cell.
What could be wrong? I washed each gasket and plate with white vinegar did NOT dry them and bolted everything together and put a couple teaspoons of Bicarbonate Soda (Baking Powder) in some distilled water and almost filled the cell. Each cell is separated with a 3ml thick gasket and all the bolts insulated with rubber hose so as they do not short on any plates.
I cut the aluminum plates from a clothes dryer, it's nice shiny new looking .8 ml or so plate thickness at guess.
I pretty much built it to spec only difference was i cross hatch sanded the plate surfaces and used more bolts around it to secure it, each plate was around 200ml by 160ml and stands upright. One lower hole in each plate stagered and one 10ml whole going right through the top.
Disappointing i don't see why it's gone wrong? I connected one far side plate as the neg to a 12Volt regular car battery and the other side far plate as a positive. Could it be the Aluminum that is not really the right aluminum??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XUfjyF1dlI&NR=1
http://b2bf.com/downloads/free_hho_plans.pdf
The first picture you see has separation between the plates, that is just to resemble the gas hole I discovered after a while. I am not sure how this design gets the water in, but I hope it is not through the upper holes, If it is I would add lower ones to.