The Helava Knot

This Instructable demonstrates how to tie a novel necktie knot.

I decided to tie my tie this way the morning before an interview a few years ago. I looked around online, and couldn't find any documentation of a similar knot. I've never seen anyone do this before, so I figure I can give it a name. If anyone out there's seen this, and it has a proper name, I'd love to hear it.

The thing I like about this knot is that the lines on the tie (if you're *very* precise about it) echo the angle of your collar.

Step 1 The Start

This knot starts out a little strange. Instead of moving the big end around, like you're used to doing, you'll be mostly manipulating the short end. You want the long end to come down to about an inch or three above the top of your pants.

When you pull the knot tight, you'll be pulling on the wide end, so you'll end up with a slightly longer tie than you start with. It looks *really* short in the photo, but it turned out just about right.

Comments

[maeve]

I'm a girl but we have to wear ties to school so I'm wearing it like this!

[Lorem]

Hi, You should also try the the 'Christensen' (aka 'Cross') knot, if very well tied, will give you 3 layers in diagonal shape.. and because it's very slim (well tied) in my personal opinion, it's the most girly of all the tie knots.. :)

[helava]

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[helava]

Also awesome!

[Tupulov]

Cool but I'll stick to my half-windsor knot.

[Smexy Dead]

I tore apart my room to find the one tie that I own just to try this out. It's a wicked awesome knot. Besides, even if it is another knot backwards, it's still a statement. Just think about the first guy to wear his baseball hat backwards. He didn't invent a new hat, but he's still being innovative.

[cb_32]

Very pimp, Im doing this for prom! thanks for sharing

[helava]

Awesome!

[MBM]

Here is a really great site for ties:

http://www.krawattenknoten.info/krawatten/Krawattenknoten/tieknot.html

[thesparine]

Sweet bro, thanks for sharing this. this is AWESOME!

[Hugo.B]

It looks like an ordinary knot just tied upside down...

H.B.

[helava]

Ha! You know, I've been tying this thing for years now, and never really realized that yeah, it's basically an inverted tie knot. When you mentioned that, I was like, "What? No. Surely there's something different..." then went to the bathroom, and tried tying the knot a couple times. There are only three differences: 1.) The extra loop, which leads to the tiny bit that you can see at the bottom left of the knot in the picture, which lends the knot a bit of balance 2.) The fact that you have to start the knot with the wide end short and the narrow end long. 3.) You have to start with the tie back-facing front. But yeah, apparently if you do that, you can tie a regular knot, pull the tie off your head, flip it over, and tighten to get exactly the same thing. Nice! Reminds me of a time one of my friends was really psyched to have invented a new sorting algorithm, then people realized, "Hey! This is bubble sort."

[aneel]

Here are pictures of the backs of conventionally tied Four in Hand, Half Windsor, and Full Windsor knots for comparison.

[ARVash]

actually the extra loop is part of the double winsor knot. :P. Still clever. Extra clever for Hugo figuring that out though :P.

[Hugo.B]

I figured it out because I'm not very good at tying ties myself, :/ and a good deal have come out looking like that. ;) So I'm afraid that doesn't make me very smart...

H.B.

[helava]

Hrm. I looked around at some instructions on 'double windsor' knots. Are they actually different than windsor knots? Seems like many places talk about the 'double windsor' as essentially 2x the 'half-windsor'. The 'extra loop' in this case doesn't match the loops I've seen in the instructions for 'double windsor' knots - it's not a that it wraps around both sides of the 'neck loop' - it's that early on, the skinny part of the tie does a full extra revolution around the wide part. Maybe that's part of the 'double windsor' and what separates it from a 'windsor knot', but I couldn't find instructions that seemed to lead to a similar result. Not saying you're not right, I'm just saying I couldn't confirm. :)

[aneel]

Funny you should ask: Half Windsor vs
Full Windsor

(Some silly people call these the "Single" and "Double" Windsor.)

The Full is not 2x the Half. It has only one extra loop and is not nearly twice the size or complexity. As you say, it wraps around both sides of the 'neck loop' where the Half only wraps around one (and the Four in Hand doesn't wrap around either).

Neither of the Windsor knots has an extra loop around the stationary end the way you describe. I think you're referring to the move that Thomas Fink refers to as T T.

[helava]

I do believe the TT is the case. I wonder if there's a _ move, so I could have a tie that had a T_T combo move. :D

[ARVash]

I would be one of those silly people :O XP

[aneel]

*grin*. There's no arguing about taste, particularly when it comes to ties.

[canida]

Lookin' sharp.

[joeylips]

unique, but still manages to look good. I like it! Anything to set you apart from the 30 other applicants is worth a shot. also good if your tie is too long. nice instructable