The K-1: Fully/Semi Auto K'nex Concept Gun

 by Kinetic
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Over the next few months I am going to be introducing a series new and unused concepts in hopes that the community can perhaps see something that they can use in these guns, even if it merely be the hammer I used in this gun.  There are hundreds of you out there and so there are hundreds of different ways of looking at this gun, and thus hundreds of possibilities for it.  So this will be the first of a series of concept guns that I will be introducing: The K-1.

The K-1

A few months ago Oblivitus introduces the idea of a removable power source and I thought it had huge potential.  The one I use in this gun fits in very similarly to the way that the magazine fits into my KLS v.2.  The gun itself utilizes a hammer to fire rounds out of an 8-shot turret.  Its range is minimal and the gun is rather poorly put together, but the important part is the power source.  I just find that people get more excited about things if they can see them put to use. 

One thing leads to another:

Although the K-1 is pretty impractical, I see some things going for the components of this gun.  Although the power source could only get three shots off max, I noticed that while I was turning the gears to get the rest of the shots off, the "battery" still had some juice in it.  I am going to use this experience to try to make an "assisted" semi auto, where a mechanical energy source will be used to assist the finger in transferring power to a firing system.

Let me know if you have any ideas for these concepts and before you decide to post ANOTHER mag-fed, pin-fire gun, think about how many are already out there and ask yourself "what can I do to stand out?"

 


Don't plan on leaving any time soon.
-Kinetic

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jaffawarrior1 says: Apr 3, 2013. 6:07 AM
Hi I'm sorry to bother you but please could you post the power pack I really want to build it even if it doesn't work and I don't get it from the drawing oblivitus did
PotatoCoffee says: Aug 23, 2012. 12:35 PM
Awsome! Wear a sock!
Kinetic (author) in reply to PotatoCoffeeAug 27, 2012. 4:19 PM
Thanks!

And pfft socks are overrated.
PotatoCoffee in reply to KineticAug 28, 2012. 3:59 AM
How are socks overrated?
Kinetic (author) in reply to PotatoCoffeeAug 28, 2012. 7:18 PM
They make you slip on smooth surfaces of course!
PotatoCoffee in reply to KineticAug 29, 2012. 1:37 AM
Introducing, the me no slippy on very slippy surface grippy sock thing'eths.
innovanna says: Feb 19, 2012. 1:00 PM
Hi guys i have a similar idea. The other day i was building a psuedo gun and it shot 70 feet. the reason why i was so succesful was becuase of the excapement system that i built. now if we can put the rubber bads and the thing that holds the rubber bands in a mag. if we put a mag in that mag( built into it) then all we have to do is create an escapment mech that allows the mag to go into it and pull the pin in the mag we should be able to just fire it with out any extra force when we pull the trigger. im going to start as soon as i get nore pieces. tell me what u guys think.
mulletman6 says: Jan 10, 2012. 11:17 AM
Awesome gun. Any chance you can make instructions for this particular gun? I know it doesn't shoot far, but i want to make it just for the sheer fact that it look awesome.
Kinetic (author) in reply to mulletman6Jan 10, 2012. 11:28 AM
Unfortunately I have already taken most of it apart in order to build a promising new slam-fire gun (see comments below). But I can take pictures of the partly-dismantled gun and with that along with the pictures I already have up I think you'd be able to make it, perhaps even improve it.
mulletman6 in reply to KineticJan 10, 2012. 3:27 PM
If you could do please. I will attempt to make it. I'm only really any good at making gun's that other's have made, rather than making my own/improving existing guns, but i'll give it a try :)
Kinetic (author) in reply to mulletman6Jan 13, 2012. 5:56 PM
These are all i have man, sorry if it isn't enough. You might be interested in my new one though.
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tytiger33 in reply to KineticJan 26, 2012. 5:28 AM
Can you add these pics to the slideshow? And could mulletman6 have permission to post instructions for this gun?
Kinetic (author) in reply to tytiger33Jan 26, 2012. 7:10 AM
Sure I'll add them. And yes of course mulletman can post it.
mulletman6 in reply to KineticJan 26, 2012. 8:33 AM
Awesome. I'll take some photo's of the guns internals to help people make it
mulletman6 in reply to mulletman6Jan 27, 2012. 2:39 PM
Right .. i didn't have enough pieces to re-build the whole gun, but i re-made the front of it and took photo's of it layer by layer. It was done on my phone, so i dunno how they will turn out. Hopefully they are good enough to help people make it
tytiger33 in reply to mulletman6Jan 26, 2012. 2:56 PM
Thank you! And could you send the picture files to Kinetic so he can put the pics into the slideshow?
mulletman6 in reply to tytiger33Jan 26, 2012. 4:03 PM
Np. Will take me a few days as i'm busy, but they will be done. Was going to make them into an "instructable", so then i at least have one - then Kinetic can put a link to it
tytiger33 in reply to mulletman6Jan 27, 2012. 7:18 PM
OK.
mulletman6 in reply to KineticJan 14, 2012. 1:10 AM
I'll give it a try and see what i can do. I will make your new gun when you've finished it :)
mulletman6 says: Jan 20, 2012. 10:31 AM
Been working on this today - got the gun made - going to attempt the "battery pack" bit tomorrow - don't fully understand how that bit works, but will try anyway :)
tytiger33 in reply to mulletman6Jan 20, 2012. 8:22 PM
You going to post instructions for it when you are done?
Kinetic (author) in reply to mulletman6Jan 20, 2012. 6:20 PM
Thats great man good job. I do have the "battery pack" still completely intact so I'll get images of it up asap.
mulletman6 in reply to KineticJan 21, 2012. 1:51 AM
Thank you. I'll start trying to build it from the pictures you already have uploaded and see how i go - then anymore you post, i can use to help if i have no luck with it. Regards posting instructions - that would depend if Kinetic was alright with me doing it if i give him all the credit. Would want to try and sort some sort of trigger before posting it tho.
mulletman6 in reply to mulletman6Jan 21, 2012. 4:26 AM
Update - i've finished the "battery pack" Its not very easy getting the rubber bands on it, but i eventually managed to - am using 2 of the elastic bands the UK Royal Mail use and one on the hammer. Got it to shoot about 12ft so far.

One problem i'm having is that you can't wind the "battery pack" very much, otherwise the elastic bands will snap and a lot of their potential power is used just stretching them round the "battery pack".

I will keep it built and will work on it when i have time. Problem with having it built is that now i don't have enough bits for your new gun - will have to take something else apart.
tytiger33 in reply to mulletman6Jan 22, 2012. 8:43 AM
Are you going to post instructions for this gun when you are done with it Mulletman?
mulletman6 in reply to tytiger33Jan 22, 2012. 10:37 AM
Depends if i get it to work properly and if Kinetic is alright with me posting them.
tytiger33 in reply to mulletman6Jan 22, 2012. 1:56 PM
I hope he is ok with it.
mulletman6 in reply to tytiger33Jan 22, 2012. 3:50 PM
Hopefully - i'll give him the credit for it :)
mulletman6 in reply to mulletman6Jan 24, 2012. 3:01 AM
Ahhh, i'm not getting very far with this. I got it to shoot twice using the "battery pack" and then had to assist with the other shots. Not sure what else i can do to it to make it work better :/
tytiger33 in reply to mulletman6Jan 24, 2012. 7:13 PM
Well he did say it gets 3 shots max. And besides if you post it now others could improve it for you.
tytiger33 in reply to mulletman6Jan 24, 2012. 2:24 PM
Well still post what you have!
mulletman6 in reply to tytiger33Jan 25, 2012. 2:32 AM
I had an idea last night on how to make it work, so will try that today and see how it goes
tytiger33 in reply to mulletman6Jan 25, 2012. 7:33 PM
How did it go?
mulletman6 in reply to tytiger33Jan 26, 2012. 2:42 AM
No luck :/
tytiger33 in reply to mulletman6Jan 26, 2012. 5:23 AM
When are you going to post instructions for this then? Because I really want to make it!
mulletman6 in reply to tytiger33Jan 26, 2012. 6:10 AM
You could start building it from the pic's - its not that difficult when you get the basic layout done
Oblivitus says: Jan 9, 2012. 8:04 PM
Cool. The assisted semi-auto is a good idea too. I never thought of that before.

If you want to get power out of this type of system it takes a lot of work and learning. Sharir and I probably have 100 hours between us trying to figure it out. It's a huge undertaking.

And about innovation; yeah, the dunkis and I were discussing that. He said he would start an innovation competition, but if you can come up with any ideas for promoting innovation in the community that would be great too. Might be something you'll want to think on. I try to do it with my concept drawings, which seems to work to a degree, it did inspire you in this project. But I think we could use something that'll really invigorate the community.

Thanks for pursuing my idea by the way, I think power packs will play an important role in the future of knex guns.
Kinetic (author) in reply to OblivitusJan 10, 2012. 8:08 AM
I would really like to get In on that project. To be honest, I thought the sa8.5 was a dead project, but I'm happy to learn that you and sharir have been working behind the scenes. I'd imagine the best way to get power in this type of gun would be dependant on the firing mech (hammer,ram, etc...) and how direct the Initial power source is to the firing system (meaning no gears in between). The reason I used a hammer as opposed to the wheel-ram you used in the SA is because a hammer will provide consistant power, whereas the mech in your SA will gradually decrease in power as the tension on the power source decreases. This is something that I would really like to collaborate with you you guys on so if you could keep me up to date that would be great.
Oblivitus in reply to KineticJan 10, 2012. 11:37 AM
That point about the hammer is interesting. Yes, the power source needs as little weight as possible to fire.

Yeah, although I wasn't initially going to pursue it any longer, sharir contacted me about continuing the project with him.

Would you like me to make you a collaborator? You won't be up to speed on the project (it takes a while to learn about all the mechanical ins and outs, but especially the physics of it, as well as catching up on our catalog of mechanisms and structures developed for it) but you can see what we're doing and build what we post if you like. If you want to catch up in your understanding of it, go through all of our comments and posts on it on the unpublished instructable.

In conclusion, I don't want to have to explain and discuss the whole history of the design over again with an additional collaborator, but I can let you in on seeing what we're doing if you like. You can catch yourself up on it and post any significant developments. Thanks for the interest!
Kinetic (author) in reply to OblivitusJan 13, 2012. 5:52 PM
Well I'm glad you guys continued it, it was a very promising project. And yeah if you could make me a collaborator that would be great, I think I'll be able to get a grasp on what you guys are doing. By the way I have a new application for "charging" a full/semi auto mech. Check out my new K-2 and you'll see what I mean.
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