The Radial Arm Saw -- A Guide of Sorts

 by Phil B
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The radial arm saw is a very versatile machine around which a whole shop can be built.  It is one machine that allows a number of operations normally requiring different specific machines.  Unfortunately, electric miter saws have displaced the radial arm saw.  That is probably because many used a radial as only a glorified miter saw or cut-off saw.  This Instructable will pull together in one place a number of Instructables demonstrating various capabilities of a radial arm saw, as well as some dealing with wear and maintenance issues.  Just click on the hot links in the frames below.
 
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Step 1: Aligning the saw

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The radial arm saw has several adjustments that need to be aligned properly for accurate cuts.  These do have indexed settings.  The owner/operator must set these properly.  They include setting the tilt of the motor so the blade is 90 degrees to the table.  The arm can swing and must be set so it is 90 degrees to the table's fence.  The most cumbersome adjustment in my experience is getting the arm 90 degrees to the fence.  But, with a slight revision of the process outlined in the owner's manual and an addition to the table, it is not difficult at all.  In use vibration can change the settings of any saw a little.  The the saw needs to be checked occasionally to make certain the arm is still square to the fence.
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Smithadon says: Apr 16, 2013. 6:36 PM
Superb and quick help again Phil, thanks so much!
I will install the fence such that the blade is clear of it and toward the column at the end of a cut.

As for the ripping scales - it seems very odd for the product to pass through the production tests with such a flaw?! I was thinking of installing two metal rulers once my fence is in place so that I can rip without marking the wood before hand.

Thanks again for your help and advice - I really appreciate your time.

Joe.

(apologies for the fresh post - the captcha wouldn't let me reply)
Phil B (author) in reply to SmithadonApr 16, 2013. 9:15 PM
Joe,

Your Ryobi may have more sturdy indicators on the rip scales than my Sears Craftsman saw. The least bump moves the pointers. That saw also came with color-coded control knobs to make using it easier. The knob with the yellow dot in the center controls the angle scale with the yellow pointer. I always said if you need that kind of help you have no business owning the saw.

Enjoy your saw.
Smithadon says: Apr 16, 2013. 1:56 PM
Hello again Phil!
Please feel free to ignore this - I'm sure you are a busy man!
I am having trouble understanding the start points of the in-rip and out-rip scales in order to work out where my fence should be.  It is a hard question to phrase in writing and so here is a small (20mb) vid of what I mean.

Any light you could shed would be fantastic but please don't feel obliged!

Many Thanks,
Joe.
Phil B (author) in reply to SmithadonApr 16, 2013. 2:36 PM
Joe,

Thank you for the video. That helps to understand your dilemma. The in rip and out rip scales on the saw arm are virtually useless for most practical purposes. The only time I have used them has been when I was ready to rip something and wanted to test the position of the blade in comparison with where my mark was. If I found I needed to move the blade out or in three or five millimeters (I actually work with inches, but you get the idea.), I checked to see where one of the rip pointers was on the scale and used it to determine how far to move the saw on the arm in order to achieve the difference I needed.

But, your real question is where to locate the front of the table and the fence that rides against it. When you are making crosscuts, you want to be able to push the saw away from yourself toward the column so the spinning blade is forward of the fence. Then you can move one piece of wood off of the table safely and get ready for a cut in a new piece of wood, etc. That will mean positioning the fence so it is about 12 to 15 centimeters toward you from the near surface of he column. Also, your saw table will be wide enough to hang over the table supports at the rear of the saw (nearest side to you) so the edge of the table nearest you is about 4 or 5 centimeters beyond the outmost position of the blade on the out rip setting. I hope this helps. Let me know if I need to load up a photo.
Phil B (author) in reply to Phil BApr 16, 2013. 6:07 PM
Joe,

I actually measured the distance between the column and the side of the fence nearest to the column. It is a little greater than I thought, that is about 20 cm. The blade on my saw is 10 inches, or about 25 cm.
Smithadon in reply to SmithadonApr 16, 2013. 1:57 PM
I forgot to mention that I made the vid for my Dad and hence it starts 'hey Pop' !!
Smithadon says: Apr 6, 2013. 2:39 PM
Dear Phil B, thanks for the great information, I am about to purchase a ryobi version (I think it was made in the sears factory?). Could you help me with a burning question?

When ripping on a table saw, you make sure that you cut all the way through your work by ensuring that the saw is lifted above the top surface of the work. On a radial arm saw though, the saw blade would enter the table to get the same effect. This would (over time) destroy the table. I imagine that the aim is to only just skim the surface of the table? If this is the case then the majority of the cutting action of the blade is horizontal as opposed to vertical. This would give each tooth a longer time to cut and reduces splinter lift, but increases the likelihood of kick back dramatically. Could you let me know your thoughts on this? One solution I did think about would be to build a sliding fence and have holes in the table for the blade spaced at about 200mm?
Thanks very much for any insights,
Joe.
Phil B (author) in reply to SmithadonApr 6, 2013. 3:50 PM
Joe,

When you go to a radial arm saw after being accustomed to a table saw, some things are strange and just do not seem right. But, they do work just fine.

After you set up and align your new saw one of the first things you will do is to set the saw in the in rip position, start the motor, lower the blade about 1/16 inch into the table, and slowly drag the motor out away from the fence to make a shallow trough in the top of the saw table. You will want to stop the saw, raise the blade about 1/8 inch and swivel the motor to the out rip position. Move the motor so the blade is over the trough you have already cut. Lower the saw with the motor off until the teeth on the blade just begin to bind on the saw table. Raise the motor a few thousandths if an inch. Start the motor and drag the blade across the rest of the table to complete the trough. Whenever you rip a piece of wood, lower the blade until the teeth touch the table. The raise the blade until it spins freely by hand. Set your guards and anti-kickback paws for the thickness of the wood you are ripping. Start the motor and rip your wood. Use pusher sticks where safety is a concern.

The only time kickback is a concern is when the blade heels, the wood is gummy with pitch, or the edge of the work piece you are cutting is not true and binds between the fence and the blade. If you have kickback problems, something is not properly set up. In my experience, you can just about take your hands off of the work piece mid-cut and the work piece does not move even though the blade is spinning. I would not recommend doing this, but you could.

Enjoy your new saw. Respect it, but you need not fear it.
shinju says: Nov 6, 2011. 4:55 PM
hello. well i would also like to help out on the blade choice for the ras. the best i found that works good is the woodwoker two blade by forrest blades. i use the 60 tooth triple-chip blade.also you can make 8 cuts with the ras.crosscut,miter,rip,blade tilted- bevel crosscut,compound mitre,bevel rip with the blade horizontal-two edge cuts horizontal for slot.tilted for raised bevel.hope this helps out.feel free to aks any more questions will more than happy to help.
shinju says: Nov 6, 2011. 4:42 PM
hello i have an dewalt ras #1030.dewalt made the best ras made hands down.if you want trya ras,try to get an dewalt model. hear a a few hints.1. find a saw with at least 3/4 or more horse power.2. find one with the adustment handle in the back. 3. and most important start the motor and make sure it runs,if not dont buy it, trust me it can be very costly to repair ar replace a motor.also the best book out there on ras is " how to master the radial arm saw" by mr.sawdust.it is the best book for using and setting up the dewalt ras. hope this helps anyone how would like to try the saw.remember the saw does not have a brain. if something happens it is your fault not the saw.
jb33 says: Nov 14, 2010. 5:45 PM
Thanks for all the good info.

I have a 1950's vintage DeWalt radial arm saw that came from my grandfather. I've had it for 40 years and used it for all kinds of projects. It still works great. A few months ago, I had to replace the original key switch. That's the only repair I've had to do.
bluesblood in reply to jb33Aug 6, 2011. 9:26 AM
I have an old DeWalt radial arm saw and a DeWalt scroll saw of round about the same vintage. Both are built like a tank and in great condition just waiting for me to restore them and put them in my shop. The radial saw, hasnt been touched yet but needs a little tlc. The scroll saw I've already rebuilt, but need pulleys and belt to connect a motor. I havent had the time to put into either just yet, but I'm pretty excited to get them running and put them to good use.
Phil B (author) in reply to bluesbloodAug 6, 2011. 10:21 AM
I remember those and always thought they were great. A neighbor had one he had gotten and was just beginning to use; but for general rough work, not for fine work.
pfred2 in reply to jb33Dec 16, 2010. 11:29 PM
DeWalt invented the draw saw as they called it. What we now know as the Radial Arm Saw. So what you have is not only vintage but the original!
Phil B (author) in reply to jb33Nov 14, 2010. 6:17 PM
I remember those. They are beasts! I know a gentleman who has a 1970's DeWalt for home use. It is a very nice saw, too. I wish you many more years of enjoyment with it. Thank you for your comment.
fretted says: Jan 4, 2011. 9:21 PM
I bought the exact same saw from a freind about a month ago exactly the same one except mine was in very very rough shape i had to rebuild the lailshaft and bearing housing the frontshaft housing was dismantled the angle lever was locked up and would not move ....

It took me 3 days of a weekend to dismantle and repair it but now it runs and works great i still have to make a descent table for it but for 25 bucks im satisfied

It makes me happy to see you have one in such very good condition

Thumbs up for this guide to

Thanks
Phil B (author) in reply to frettedJan 5, 2011. 12:25 PM
Dear fretted,

Thanks for the note. If you scroll down in the comments, you will see I gave dimensions and a hole location diagram for making a saw table. These are based on the factory original I replaced a few months ago.

I think there are a few linked Instructables in my "Guide" that will help you if you find wear in the yoke indexing pin holes and if you need a new switch.

My saw is in good condition because I am the only owner and because it never was taken to a job site, but was always in my workshop.

You should get a lot of enjoyment from it. Different parts sometimes show up on eBay, if you need them.
fizzox says: Nov 16, 2010. 3:22 PM
Hi Phil, I wanted to thank you for providing some great information. I just got into woodworking having worked mainly with steel and electronics in the past. To help me out, my family members were nice enough to give me their extra woodworking tools including a thirty year old craftsman radial arm saw. I am very comfortable working with table saws, mitre saws etc, but have no experience with this beast of a tool. Having found this post, I can't wait to make the most of my radial arm saw now that I've discovered such a great guide. To those who find any sort of woodworking tool less safe than getting in their car everyday are simply ill informed. I am confident that with your guide and a unique ability called common sense I will not lose any fingers. The only problem I currently have is that the original sheet metal table for the saw was damaged while being moved across the country and I had to scrap it. Could you give any tips on building a new one?
pfred2 in reply to fizzoxDec 16, 2010. 11:24 PM
The biggest unknown safety trick with RAS is blade selection. You want a blade without positive rake to it, and a small gullet too. It keeps the tool from self feeding so much. Read they make special blades for these things, and you should try to make sure you use one, or one as close as you can get to one. I don't know how they get away with such aggressive blades on the new chop saws, but those aren't good on RAS. Do some research and make sure you are running the correct type of a blade.
Phil B (author) in reply to fizzoxNov 16, 2010. 5:31 PM
You will get dizzy reading my responses in order. The topmost is the most recent and should really be read last. But, here is information from a guy replacing the table top on his Black & Decker radial arm saw  Be aware the dimensions on a B & W table are not the same as a Craftsman table.  But, the process is very similar.  Here is another more brief description for replacing a radial arm saw table.  Here is another description, although without any photos.


Phil B (author) in reply to fizzoxNov 16, 2010. 4:38 PM
In my response below I forgot to address your saw table. Do you have the original manual? It tells how to do all of the alignment procedures, including leveling the table supports. I recently added a new table surface to my saw. I used a 3/4" composition board that was pretty straight and level. The old table was 19" x 36", but the new one is 19" x 48" to give me a little more support for various things. Countersink four holes for bolting the table to the leveling supports. Get the heads far enough below the surface that the blade will not run into them when you are cutting odd angles. I have never seen a sheet metal table. When finished and the table is aligned with the fence securely in place, raise the saw and put it in the rip position. Start the motor and lower the blade about 1/8" into the table. Gently pull the blade across the table to make an indentation for the blade later. Shut the motor off. Raise the motor and turn it to the crosscut position. Start the motor. Lower it about 18" and pull the motor out as far as you can. (This cut should be 90 deg. to the fence. On my soft composition board I screwed some extruded aluminum from an old storm door to make a durable straightedge guide at the front end of the table. That is about it.
fizzox in reply to Phil BNov 18, 2010. 3:30 AM
I do have the original manual, unfortunately the original table is gone. I'll have to find one I can buy somewhere or build a new one from scratch before I have to worry about alignment.
Phil B (author) in reply to fizzoxNov 18, 2010. 9:41 AM
Here are the dimensions on the original table for my Craftsman saw: 3/4" x 19" x 36". You need four 3/8" dia. holes. The first pair are set back from the front edge of the table 1 1/8" on center. The second set are set back from the front edge 11 1/8" on center. Each hole is 8 1/4" in from the outer edges of the table (on center--See the graphic below). In addition to the basic table you need a fence 3/4" x 1 1/2" x 36" and a support piece behind the fence that is 3/4" x 5" or 6" x 36". This should help. I converted my manual to a PDF. Send me a private message and I will send the manual to you by e-mail.
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Phil B (author) in reply to fizzoxNov 16, 2010. 4:22 PM
Dear fizzox,

Congratulations on acquiring some good woodshop equipment. If I could give a handful of advice, safety rules you learned with the table saw will serve you well on a radial. When in doubt, use pusher sticks. I keep my body parts at least 6 inches away from the blade or cutting device and I am careful about how I am leaning so my body does not move into the blade's path in the case of losing balance, etc. Always think about what would happen if the blade caught a knot or pitch in the wood and propelled the motor carriage backward toward you on a crosscut. (On rips the motor is locked down and does not move.) I use a carbide blade and try to keep most of my body out of the cutting line in case the blade would throw a tooth. As I mentioned to someone else, keep the saw aligned so the blade does not heel, increasing the likelihood the motor could be thrust toward you or the blade could throw a workpiece. When pulling the motor for a crosscut, keep your elbow locked and pull with your shoulder. Use plenty of roller supports when ripping large sheets. Have an assistant to pull the sheet off of the table while you are pushing it onto the table. This advice is free and worth every bit of that. Thanks for your comment.
dpapas665 says: Nov 16, 2010. 11:10 AM
So, much has been made of the danger of this tool. But is it statisitcally any more dangerous than a table saw?
pfred2 in reply to dpapas665Dec 16, 2010. 10:54 PM
Well a Radial Arm Saw does have a tendency to self feed. And the blade moving as opposed to being fixed can present more of a hazard than a fixed blade does too. I run my RAS with no blade guard on it at all. I don't count on junk like that to protect me, and it gets in my way of seeing what I am doing. I can still count to 10 without taking off my socks ...
Moore. Matt Moore. in reply to dpapas665Nov 16, 2010. 3:28 PM
The day I'm not terrified of my shop machinery is the day I need to give them all away.

I've been using my table saw and radial arm saw for nearly 20 years, and they scare the hell out of me. Even my drill press has the potential to hurt me badly. This forces me to do one of two things: use them very very carefully or not use them at all.

Great write-up, Phil. I rarely use the radial arm saw outside of crosscutting because getting it square again is such a pain. Will try your stuff soon. Thanks.
pfred2 in reply to Moore. Matt Moore.Dec 16, 2010. 10:49 PM
Your best bet with an RAS is to square it up and leave it square and use axillary tables for any other kind of a cut. I think they put all them adjustments on RAS just to screw people up! Since I've gotten mine perfectly square I just leave it that way. And yes it was a pain!
Phil B (author) in reply to Moore. Matt Moore.Nov 16, 2010. 8:04 PM
My father-in-law had one of these Craftsman saws from the mid-1950's forward. When I bought mine he told me very little on it would be accurate or precise. But, I never had a lot of trouble doing accurate work with mine, and built some decent furniture with mine. Perhaps something was not properly setup on his. I do not know.

I never forget what could happen if my flesh gets in the way of a power tool, especially a power saw. A friend recently failed to use a pusher stick with a table saw when he should have, and now has a bad cut in the end of a finger. He says he knew better, but became sloppy.
Phil B (author) in reply to dpapas665Nov 16, 2010. 1:43 PM
The only way to be completely safe around machinery is never to buy it, or, if you do, never turn it on. (I know a guy who has had a used Lincoln "tombstone" arc welder for probably ten years, but he has never turned "on" because he is afraid something inside might be shorted, even though it almost certainly is not.) I know no one who injured himself with a radial arm saw, but I know at least two people who received bad cuts on a table saw. The fact the radial arm saw motor slides on a carriage while running probably spooks a lot of people. As I said in another comment, I have given mine fairly regular use, even wearing out a set of motor bearings and three switches, during 38 years without a scratch. (A few times I have come too close to a wire brush wheel I was using on my radial arm saw and scuffed skin on my fingers, but that hardly counts. It reminds me each time to wear gloves.) Thank you for your comment.
bike_geek in reply to Phil BNov 7, 2011. 10:42 PM
Hi Phil;

You are obviously a good craftsman and I respect the time you have taken to pass on your knowledge.

However gloves should never be worn when using any power tool, that scuffed skin could have become a broken wrist or an amputated finger if you had been wearing gloves. Where skin will cut a tougher glove may catch and draw in.

One of the first lesson you learn at a trade school is when using power tools, no gloves, no jewelery, no rings.

Cheers
Joel
Phil B (author) in reply to bike_geekNov 8, 2011. 3:51 AM
Thank you.
jeff-o says: Nov 16, 2010. 12:18 PM
See, now I wish I had room for one of these. Do you think it would be OK to keep it in the (unheated) garage, or is that asking for trouble?
neffk in reply to jeff-oDec 7, 2010. 3:16 PM
Cold is fine.

http://www.instructables.com/id/Radial-Arm-Saw-Overhaul-Modification-for-Low-Pro/
Phil B (author) in reply to jeff-oNov 16, 2010. 1:20 PM
Mine has been in an unheated garage for years at two different places where we have lived and it always did just fine. If you have high humidity where you live, you might want to smear a little motor oil on the column to protect it from surface rust. You will also want to check it regularly to make sure its settings are square. The unheated garage will not affect accuracy as much as vibration from use.
pfred2 in reply to Phil BDec 16, 2010. 10:28 PM
Motor oil contains a detergent that attracts water, which is fine in your motor because cylinders firing flash it off, but isn't so great for metals that aren't in combustion chambers ... Get a quart of chainsaw bar oil it is a far better general shop lube. One car product that isn't too bad for metal protection in a workshop is paste wax. Though some say the silicone in some waxes can adversely affect wood finishing. I've personally never had a problem with it. Leave motor oils in motors which they were engineered to be in. Another trick for humid shops is to run a fan in them. It stops water from condensing on cold metals. My RAS doesn't vibrate when I run it, if it did I'd change the blade to a better balanced one and check the bearings and brushes. Possibly repack the gears as well.
jeff-o in reply to Phil BNov 16, 2010. 5:20 PM
Good to know. I want to get a radial arm saw and a table saw, but the garage is the only place where I'd have room to store or use them. I was worried they wouldn't survive -20 celcius winters and humid summers, which is why I haven't bought either one yet. Radial arm saws are dirt cheap on Kijiji, too - plenty for under $100, and really good ones with all the accessories for $200-$300.
Phil B (author) in reply to jeff-oNov 16, 2010. 7:55 PM
The winters where we lived at the time my saw spent winters in an unheated garage were much less cold than what you are talking about. Although unheated our garages were attached to the houses and not as cold as a separate garage would be. I do not know what you have. At -20 Celsius it will be difficult to feel your fingers well very long without gloves. The motor bearings may be a little stiff from cold grease. Still, if a person worked carefully, a lot of work with a radial arm saw could still be done safely while wearing gloves.
jeff-o in reply to Phil BNov 16, 2010. 11:05 PM
Well, it's not like I'd be using it when the temps drop that low -- no, when it drops to -20 I bury myself in a blanket and watch a movie, hot chocolate in hand.

But, the saw should survive the winter and be ready to go when my fingers thaw!
Phil B (author) in reply to jeff-oNov 17, 2010. 4:58 AM
I am confident the saw will be fine at -20 Celsius. Mine was never exposed to temperatures that cold because the attached garages we have had were always warmer due to heat leaking from the house portion of the building. A friend has lots of woodworking equipment in a free-standing unheated garage, which he heats for an evening when he wants to do woodworking. The coldest temperatures I have experienced here in SW Idaho (USA) were -15 Celsius (+5 Fahrenheit) for a week or so. One of his tools is a slightly different Sears Craftsman radial arm saw he uses mostly for cutoff work. He has never complained about effects of cold on his tools, and he does quality furniture woodworking. I would think he might have problems with his tools because the air in the building can be brought up to a reasonable temperature for working in a coat and hat, but the metal in the equipment will lag behind and be much colder for quite a few hours after the furnace goes "on."
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