The Smallest Workshop in the World

 by steliart
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Step 14: Bench Lathe Idea (later addition)

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Mr. rickharris got me thinking the other day when he asked me “Where will you put the lathe? :-)”
That made me feel that the bench was kind of incomplete so it was back to the drawing board.
Wanted to come up with a lathe system that is made of wood and inexpensive materials that anyone can build.
 
Don’t know if I will build this but at least the possibility is there. So this is what I came up with.

On popular demand I revised my first idea for using a a hand drill as a motor and now there's a bench grinder to that place.
 
The Lathe I design is 39" or 1 meter long and can take up to 2 feet or 60 cm stock. Will be stored under the bench and you can clamp it on top either with clamps or bolts in threaded inserts.
Is made out of a plywood base, two 2X2 pieces of pine with t-tracks will be used as the body. 
A bench Grinder with a pulley is mounted on the base and will act as the motor (thinking of doing the same electrical modifications I did with the drill sander for speed control), a double ended mandrel with bearings and a drill press chuck, and a reverse t-shape hardwood with a threaded rod pointed at one end, some t-nuts and a wooden handle will act as a vise tail to hold firmly the stock and it will run on the two t-tracks of the body.  For tool-rest a piece of T-shape iron rod in a piece of wood with a groove and some wing nuts that wil hold it on the t-tracks could do the job.
 
Maybe another drill chuck in the tail end is also possible as well as a few standard lathe accessories to hold the stock into the drill can work even better.
 
Basically that’s about it, I think it could work.
I am sure there will be better ways to build it, but unless I get down to do a biger research and learn more about lathes I won't know.


BENCH GRINDER
Also now by using the bench grinder as a motor for the lathe I still have the other grinding wheel to use, so the bench now has a Bench Grinder also on it.


Now the bench has everything or is there anything else :-)

Stelios L.A. Stavrinides
Nicosia - Cyprus

Finally I did get to design a Bench Lathe 3 in 1 and you can find it in my instructable here: 

http://www.instructables.com/id/Bench-Lathe-3-in-1-Lathe-Sander-GrinderSharp/

Also to complete the set-up I needed a dust collection system and I choose to build a mini cyclone bucket dust collector which you can see here.
 
 
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nreed4 says: Mar 2, 2013. 9:27 PM
How much would it cost the average joe to build one of the carts with the lathe and other machines.
nreed4 in reply to nreed4Mar 2, 2013. 9:28 PM
Also, could you use a washing machine motor for the lathe? Could you turn metal with it?
shagmaster473 says: Nov 12, 2011. 7:17 PM
Had a thought on the lathe. You could use the motor out of a tread mill. You can control the speed which I think would work great for a lathe.
steliart (author) in reply to shagmaster473Nov 15, 2011. 2:52 AM
I am not familiar with what motor a tread mill has, but if you believe it can work...
Go for it.
Any motor that falls into some sort of criteria I described above will do.
Good thinking :)
diykiwibloke says: Nov 13, 2011. 2:21 AM
My total and unreserved compliments and appreciation for the way you thought out this marvellous workstation AND for a superb and beautifully detailed instructible. Well done steliart
steliart (author) in reply to diykiwiblokeNov 15, 2011. 2:46 AM
Thank you for your kind comment and for visiting :)
thegreat58 says: Jul 25, 2010. 11:20 PM
I've been working with wood my whole life, and have every tool known to man. I've been thinking of down sizing and this is an absolutey brilliant solution.
steliart (author) in reply to thegreat58Aug 26, 2010. 8:24 AM
Glad you can get an idea or two from here. Thanks for visiting
2 stroke in reply to steliartSep 1, 2010. 10:00 PM
can you tell em how to make a bech grinder would it be saf t o install a an angle grinder on the side of my bench and i was thinking of making a stand for a angle grinder to cut metal and a cart for my welder i really like you jigsaw idea since i am not good at woodwork and sawdust gives me serious allergies i build every thing out of metal
steliart (author) in reply to 2 stroke Sep 2, 2010. 10:55 AM
An angle grinde is not something I use often. Sometimes if I need to cut something I might put the metal piece in my vise and free hand cut it or If I need the grinder to be sturdy then I might hold the grinder in my small wooden vise portable woodbench and cut the piece over it. Now I understand that you may want to cut in true 90 degrees... well things are getting a bit more complex here, I have sketch a wooden design idea some time ago which I never build cause I baught an angle grinder stand (they are not expensive). Anyway, I work with wood so my design involved a wooden structure which looks a bit bulky but you will get the idea. If you build something similar in metal then it can be much more simple. I will post the idea and I am sure you can think some way arround it. Hope it can help you.
angle-grinder-cutting-base1.jpgangle-grinder-cutting-base2.jpgangle-grinder-cutting-base3.jpg
2 stroke in reply to steliartSep 2, 2010. 11:39 AM
thanks am going to build that out of s quare tubing or i am going to by a chop saw or angle grinder stand
Celtic Davey says: May 7, 2010. 2:55 PM
Great ideas I'm very impressed the power tool bench could work very well in the back of a van, roll out work shop! slightly smaller with larger extensions and  every thing quickly removable to leave more work space for each machine as its being used??? thats me busy for the next few days thanks for taking the time to post your ideas.
steliart (author) in reply to Celtic DaveyMay 7, 2010. 4:01 PM
Your very welcome.
One word of advise, think of the weight and safety before you do a bench like this to roll in and out of a van.
harvey639 says: May 3, 2010. 9:45 AM
 thanks for your help!!!
could you email me the pics and list of components 

speh5561@gordonstoun.org.uk
steliart (author) in reply to harvey639May 3, 2010. 11:28 AM
don't have a list, sorry
dumi_bogdan says: May 1, 2010. 11:05 AM
Dear friend,
I enjoyed very much your plan and I DO have to tell you that this is a great plan. I love every part of it from top to bottom. I to have considered myself making a workbench that would be compact, hold all the necessary tools and still give you the space you need to work around it while doing your woodworking.
I do have only one question which is kinda stupid dough and not related... I saw the plan for the lathe... what program did you used for that drawing?
Nothing but the best

Dumi
steliart (author) in reply to dumi_bogdanMay 1, 2010. 11:11 AM
Thank you very much and there's nothing stupid in your question my friend, I use Google SketchUp you can download it for free from the here

http://sketchup.google.com/download/

kleinjahr says: May 1, 2010. 9:08 AM
Nice build. Some good ideas there.I hadn't thought of using a scissor jack for a router lift. Though it does look like you've blocked the motor air  vents for the router, could get expensive if you have. I really like the guard you've made for the sabre/jig saw, very well done. I did something similar, benchtop sabre saw sanding station( an old PM design), some years back., didn't have theguard. The problem with the sabre saw was vibration and the saw kept sliding out of the holding clips when feeding in the work. The latter was a simple and obvious fix, but never did solve the vibration problem .
 That is a nice lathe set up you've designed, but might  I suggest mounting the motor on a hinged plate? This will make it easier to change speeds and also provide tension for your belt.
 Your assembly table idea has been around for sometime, how did you secure it to the sawhorses?  If it is just sitting on top of them, not to secure. I noticed you have a workmate type folding clamp bench in the background. If you have two,then a couple of  appropriately spaced cleats on your table top will clamp in nice and tight.
All in all, a very nice build.
steliart (author) in reply to kleinjahrMay 1, 2010. 10:18 AM
The router’s motor air vents are not block there is a small gap, up to now it worked ok no overheating or anything.
 
The scissor idea I saw it somewhere on the net but at that point it was badly done, the key is the lift to be very smooth and without any play and I found that the one I had in my car was perfect.
 
With the jig saw guard I’ve played around a bit before this one, because I did had vibration also on it. Lately I have modified it a bit more and I have added four half round clips on the bottom corners so the left and right plywood pieces don’t ride on the cutting piece (less friction) and also those two pieces come closer in and the 2 aluminum angles are also screwed on them too. If you don’t fasten the 2 bearings so that the touch the blade but just a hair off then you are good to go. It’s important to use good quality blades if you want good cuts with it.
 
Lathe as I said is just an idea not a real workable model, but yes your point is correct, hinges could work fine or it cold move on tracks.
 
The assembly table is nothing special, just a kitchen top sitting freely on the sawhorses. The top is quite heavy and up to now I didn’t had the need to secure it, if I wanted to do that I could bolt it on the sawhorses I guess. I don’t have another clamp bench but your idea is good.
 
Thanks for the feedback and thank you for visiting
corter0id says: Apr 30, 2010. 1:34 PM
Realmente sos un genio. Te felicito!!!
steliart (author) in reply to corter0idApr 30, 2010. 2:00 PM
Even though I don't speak your language my friend. I translated it, so...
grazie mille
steliart (author) says: Apr 30, 2010. 4:07 AM

On popular demand I revised my first idea for using a a hand drill as a motor to the bench lathe design and now there's a bench grinder to that place.
 
The Lathe I design is 39" or 1 meter long and can take up to 2 feet or 60 cm stock. Will be stored under the bench and you can clamp it on top either with clamps or bolts in threaded inserts.
Is made out of a plywood base, two 2X2 pieces of pine with t-tracks will be used as the body.
A bench Grinder with a pulley is mounted on the base and will act as the motor (thinking of doing the same electrical modifications I did with the drill sander for speed control), a double ended mandrel with bearings and a drill press chuck, and a reverse t-shape hardwood with a threaded rod pointed at one end, some t-nuts and a wooden handle will act as a vise tail to hold firmly the stock and it will run on the two t-tracks of the body.  For tool-rest a piece of T-shape iron rod in a piece of wood with a groove and some wing nuts that wil hold it on the t-tracks could do the job.
 
Maybe another drill chuck in the tail end is also possible as well as a few standard lathe accessories to hold the stock into the drill can work even better.
 
Basically that’s about it, I think it could work.
I am sure there will be better ways to build it, but unless I get down to do a biger research and learn more about lathes I won't know.

Now the bench has everything or is there anything else :-)

Stelios L.A. Stavrinides
Nicosia - Cyprus

bench lathe.jpgTool Bench with Lathe.jpg
wbchaney says: Apr 29, 2010. 8:34 PM
Awesome project and awesome instructable, steliart!  It looks like you've been writing for one of my favorite magazines, which is online at www.thefamilyhandyman.com

Keep up the great work!
steliart (author) in reply to wbchaneyApr 30, 2010. 12:43 AM
No I am not a writer and English is not my native language but I get around with it. Thank you for visiting
krakllc says: Apr 29, 2010. 5:24 PM
Very cool project. One thing to consider for your lathe is that the drill is not meant to have much lateral force applied it. So you may want to consider a sturdy bearing setup with a through rod. You could than connect the drill to the through rod. Or use belts and pulleys to transfer the power. However a drill’s motor will blog down under loads as well. So you might be back to using the benchtop grinder for a power source.
steliart (author) in reply to krakllcApr 30, 2010. 12:17 AM

I have not thought of the subject at all yet. The lathe was a 2 days ago addition when someone sugested that it was missing, so I drew it to see if it was possible to fit on the bench also. Alot of people got interested in these field so I better find some time and do something about it. It looks that the drill is not the best choice and a grinder is so I will have to listen to the majority. Thank you very much for the input

wirzcat says: Apr 29, 2010. 11:54 AM
You could mount the bench grinder on the workbench and use it to power the lathe.  The motor on it is better for that purpose, as the drill motor is not designed for constant high speed use.  Remove the wheel + housing from one side of the grinder, mount a pulley, and add a belt to the lathe. 
steliart (author) in reply to wirzcatApr 29, 2010. 12:15 PM
Don't know about this idea because my bench grinder if you force it with something it can stop so that's telling me that its power is no good.
Also it may be that only my grinder is like this as it's a cheep one.
On the other hand (I am not sure but thinking out loud here) I think with the drill mortification I did for the drill sander that will give more control to the speed of the lathe (if ever I decide to build one). You do have a point there which needs to be explored when and if the time comes.
One thing I can do is to dismount my drill sander mount it on those 2x2 and run some test to see how it behaves.
Lots of possibilities here, thanks for the brainstorming.
wirzcat in reply to steliartApr 29, 2010. 1:28 PM
It might be worth getting one good motor and mount it under the table on an adjustable mount.  Adding a spring to keep constant tension helps; many car engines have these tension units.
Pulley drive was very common in 1940-1970 as most devices were not direct drive as a modern bench grinder.
You can make a grinder with an mandrel like this:
http://www.leevalley.com/us/wood/page.aspx?c=&p=32960&cat=1,43072,45939
You can power the lathe with it also by removing the grinder belt and putting on the lathe belt. 
Sanding discs, sanding drums, buffer pads, wire wheels and other items can be mounted on those mandrels.  Very useful method.

steliart (author) in reply to wirzcatApr 29, 2010. 3:01 PM
You have some good points here to consider.
I love the mandrel, can be used in many ways, very interesting.
Thank you very much for the points and the link.
optimusprimesqrt6 says: Apr 29, 2010. 1:01 PM
Very well made and planned......my hat off to you sir......

OPsqrt6
steliart (author) in reply to optimusprimesqrt6Apr 29, 2010. 1:21 PM
Thank you
tacuato says: Apr 29, 2010. 11:47 AM
Looks really cool, congratulations. Obi Wan Kenobi
steliart (author) in reply to tacuatoApr 29, 2010. 11:58 AM
Thanks I love that :-D
harvey639 says: Apr 27, 2010. 5:13 AM
 i totally agree it is really good!!!!! :)
can you send me the wiring diagram for the drill sander control box?
killersquirel11 in reply to harvey639Apr 29, 2010. 9:00 AM
What it looks like he did was connect the fast/slow switch on the box to the fast/slow switch on the sander, the rotary knob to the trigger inputs, the on/off could either be controlling via the drill or in the box, and the CW/CCW switch is once again connecting to a switch in the drill.  (Unless I am mistaken, they had to dismantle the drill and do some soldering)
steliart (author) in reply to killersquirel11Apr 29, 2010. 9:25 AM
I will try to find my friend and ask him for a diagram if he is willing to make one and post it.
I make no promisses but I will try.
steliart (author) in reply to harvey639Apr 27, 2010. 6:09 AM
Here they are
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steliart (author) in reply to harvey639Apr 27, 2010. 5:46 AM
Sorry Harvey don't have one because as I have explained a friend of mine help to do that. What I can do though is to take some close-up pictures with the control box open for you and since you are knowledgeable on this I think you will understand what he did.
If that helps you give me your email.
Thanks
digimancer says: Apr 27, 2010. 1:51 PM
 You have got to build this lathe... I just wonder how on earth you would keep it from ripping itself apart...
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