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The Ultimate budget ($8.20) Fog Chiller

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With only the absolute simplest of tools, and fewest of supplies, one can construct a superior fog chiller.

The fog chillers currently on instructables are a variation of the "fog on the rocks" design, but have a few shortcomings that small changes can correct.

For less money we can construct a re-useable fog chiller that will cool more fog, requires less ice, allows for more fog to be produced, and is considerably easier to assemble.

If you're looking to build a fog chiller, this is the one you should build.
 
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Step 1: Justification, design changes, theory, and a few little tips for avid chiller designfolk.

There are two primary design differences between this chiller and the other chillers on this site.

The other two are examples of the "fog on the rocks" design that has been popular with home haunters since 1995.

The "Super Cheap and Easy Fog Chiller" doesn't produce a lot of contact time between the fog and the cold, resulting in less cooling. I imagine that a great portion of the fog simply blows clean through, the second design forcing the fog to sink is a better one.

The Fog Chiller for $10 blasts the fog directly into the wall of the cooler box, this is bad, more on this in two paragraphs.

Both of the other two chillers use styrofoam cooling chests as their chilling box. This is a rather bad plan for a simple reason, the fog eats into it and becomes toxic. The chillers are not exactly reuseable, your fog becomes toxic, and I hate the squeaky sounds styrofoam makes.

So, changes? The important one is the "fog cage". This is a gap between the nozzle of the fog machine, and the chiller. This is important because for the fog to form properly, optimally, and in maximum abundance it must mix with a LOT of air immediately. If it comes into contact with a solid object, or is in an air starved environment you end up with less fog. Less fog means you need more fluid and and a more powerful machine. Costs go up, way up. The change in the amount produced through the use of a fog cage is very dramatic. Those who have already built the styrofoam chillers should give pointing their fog machine into their chiller from a distance so that they can get the benefits of the extra fog without the extra work of making an extra chiller.

Second change is simply switching from a styrofoam chiller to a regular ol' plastic tub. It doesn't react with the fog, it's tougher, and you can store some of your halloween stuff it when the day is done. You may think the ice would melt faster, but the primary source of heat isn't ambient, it's the really really hot fog you're blowing in one end of your chiller (duh). Also, in my tests the chiller in the photos keeps the ice for about 7 hours of use with an automatically cycling fog machine.
penfold233 years ago
Easy to follow & make.
Pics are of my fog chiller (I painted the plastic tub black)
Instead of using silicon sealant to seal the PVC coupler, I splurged (I saved $ because I didn't have to buy the wire mesh, it was left over from a previous project) and used a 2"-1.5" reducing coupler bushing. (viz other pic)
The fit was quite snug, I had to persuade it the final bit with a rubber mallet.
But I think it is a much stronger join
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Munitorium4 years ago
I had an idea: How about cutting three slots, maybe an inch above the bottom of the tub. The holes would be rectangles, about 1.5 Inches tall, and a little less than a third of the width of the tub end. The slots would leave some vertical support (by leaving plastic between them). This would allow the fog to sheet out of the bottom of the tub, pre-laying it flat on the floor. Dunno if it would work appreciably better, but it might allow for easier "hiding" it behind a curtain raised just a few inches off the floor.

I think thats a good idea.. To me the coupling at the exit is redudant.. It couples to..... to nothing! Just cut a hole and save yourself a coupling.

I might also try a small fan on the inlet sucking air (and fog) into the chiller box. With a layer if ice above the exit path it seems to me that the box is a bit of a dead end for low velocity fog. surely not all of it is drawn in.

Great instructable..

 

You don't want to suck the fog through a fan. The fan blades will agitate the fog and ruin it. It would be better to devise a way to push the fog and air. Try attaching a PVC Y-Connector to the coupling on the exit of the chiller. You could then place the fan in the Y, which would draw air and fog out of the chiller and push it along the exit of the PVC connector. Plus, you could connect longer pieces of PVC pipe and distribute the fog where you want.
Negafen (author)  NastySpill4 years ago
In actuality neither coupler is really required, it just makes things considerably easier.

I am going to be posting the vastly improved

"Perfect Chiller"

some time soon, keep an eye open. 
brandon835 years ago
nice! i was going to make one of these, then i remembered, i'm in Canada! and it's October! It's cold already!
Negafen (author)  brandon835 years ago
Actually, that makes it more necessary. If your fog isn't colder than ambient temperature it'll rise. If however the ice isn't even as cold as outside... well, you're up an unmentionable creek. Paddle free.
Most ice cream shops will give/sell you dry ice. At my high school, thats how we get our dry ice. However, NEVER put dry ice into tubberware. It will freeze the tubberware box, making it very brittle, and it WILL shatter. Not fun. Use a cooler for dry ice.
 i auctually had to buy mine from a retailer ...which there are very few in ottawa
It's probably right in front of me and I'm not seeing it: what size is the coupler?
It looks to me like 2" (50mm)
Kickbut1014 years ago
You could route a small amount of fog to come out of like say a soup can with one of those on the end producing cool rolling smoke to come out of his eyes or nose or whatnot, damn, I just thought of that. thats a good idea. Thanks for the idea!
Negafen (author)  Kickbut1014 years ago
I'm glad this little silly step helped anyone out at all. Let us know how your soup can chiller and smokey skull goes
A.C.E. Negafen4 years ago
hey extend the picture box where it says ice obscures exit hole because paople cant read it.
what should you do if you use this in-doors? do you need to drain it manually so it doesn't leak water out the pipes?
jimmidd4 years ago
Would it make sense to use a male adapter instead of a coupling? you could put the threaded end inside the box, and secure with a conduit nut on the inside and outside
Negafen (author)  jimmidd4 years ago
It would indeed. This chiller is designed to follow best practice as closely as possible, while being as cheap as possible. There are many minor improvements that could be done, but unless they net an improved output at a similar pricepoint I opted not to add them. While an adapter would make it easier to construct, and look a little tidier, it would be more expensive and the only possible outcome is very slightly worse performance (if we're being pedantic; due to turbulence caused by the conduit nuts shape).
Negafen (author)  plopcow5 years ago
If you pay attention to the way mine is laid out, it does not throw fog directly onto the ice but above it. This IS a deathlord fog chiller design. The only improvements to be made are a venturi, a larger expansion area (which is ABOVE the ice in this chiller), and a second ice tray above the expansion chamber. That's it, that's as far as a fog chiller of this sort can go. After that a switch to a radiator based design (the one mentioned on that site by chuck rice is a good example) would be the next change
lol, same walmart fog machine i would be very worried about the fog leaking out of the top hole- i originally tried leaving a gap with my chiller, but as soon as the machine shut off, all the fog poured out the top. it is possible that your bin is big enough to have the fog stay in the bin and not leak out. so, how much does leak out once the machine shuts off?
It seems to me that the height of the box (or more precisely, the height difference between the inlet and outlet) is the main factor here. Since you're relying on the density of the cooled air to force it down and out the exit, you've essentially built a smokestack in reverse. Using a taller structure and suspending the ice higher in it would produce a larger column of chilled, sinking air. That would make it "draw" better, and you shouldn't have any trouble with airflow reversing when the machine shuts off.
Negafen (author)  T3Hprogrammer6 years ago
I've built a number of chillers, as I have a number of machines, when a box is a leaky one I run a bead of hot glue along the seam, and then it'll usually seal fine. This one actually doesn't leak at all.
Sweet! Great for low budget movies too. This was useful to me.
drafty6 years ago
Long time lurker, first time poster. Please be kind. Love the simplicity of this chiller! Are the PVC fittings really needed? Could you just cut the fog inlet hole in the tub and jam the fog cage in the hole? Or could you cut the fog inlet hole in the tub, MINUS 3 tiny tabs to catch the chicken wire? Could the fog exit hole be just a hole, a slot, a series of slots or even tabs bent outward like louvers? Am I missing something obvious? Was just envisioning trying to store this tub in my garage without breaking off the PVC inlet/outlet pieces. Would also allow stacking or nesting the tubs when not in use, no hot glueing required and reduces the cost by a couple of bucks.
Negafen (author)  drafty6 years ago
Very true, the issue I had with not using the inlet/outlet pvc is that I always had the fog come back out the top. And it was difficult to direct the fog where I wanted without the outlet nozzle. To be honest though, the pvc is mostly habitual for me (easy spot to attach cage, easy spot to attach hoses/further piping to direct fog) If you're building one, try it your way, and let us know if you face either of my issues :p
drafty Negafen6 years ago
Just finished it about a half hour ago. cut two, 2 inch holes, one high one low, opposing. I made an ice "tray" out of 3/8" mesh and suspended it in the container with zip ties via holes I "melted" through the sides of the bin with a old screw driver which I heated up with a blow torch. only one problem.... I only had about half enough ice to fill the mesh tray! Worked "OK". about 10 minutes filled a 10x12 room with a foot or so of fog on the floor. Fog was still a bit wispy and wimpy. dissipated quickly. I think the fog inlet is too small. outlet might need to be bigger too. a little fog leaked out the lid of the tub and some "backed up" out the inlet hole.... more ice tomorrow. will let you know how it works. i might make the outlet bigger and put some kinda damper on it to choke it down to fine tune the air/fog/ice bath mixture
drafty drafty6 years ago
Got more ice. Worked a little bit better. I do believe my outlet hole is too small. Still getting some "huffing" out the inlet hole and some seapage from around the ill fitting lid. Going to dremmel some "louvers" a few inches away from the original outlet hole on each side and see if that helps. This fog machine and chiller will be put inside a boat that will be decorated with a "Pirates of the Caribbean" theme. I want the fog to fill the hull of the boat and cascade over the boat's sides. Wish me luck. Happy Haunting.
qdogg6 years ago
What would happen if you ran a perforated metal tube or rolled up screen through the tub with ice completely surrounding the tube? It seems since cold air sinks this would increase efficiency & the holes would let melt off drain from the tube.
jstarr26796 years ago
what pipe size are you guys using for best results 3 or 4"?
jstarr26796 years ago
Hey, i didn't have any pvc pipe laying around in the garage so i used a 3" carboard tube used for mailing documents. I'll let you guys know if that worked ok. Might last good for the day and decide to get pvc if it gets wet. I also used Goop from walmart to make a seal for the air tight aspect so it doesn't leak.
freonburn6 years ago
What would happen if you had an elbow coming out of the lid and just used that as the entry point instead of a hole in the side? It would force the fog down into the ice and reduces the overall footprint. Have you ever tried that?
Negafen (author)  freonburn6 years ago
You'd end up facing the recondensing problem again. You'd end up with very very little fog.
as a comment, you DID put the top back on, right? :D good idea! seems to make a good deal of sense, and also means the tub doesn't lose it's usefulness as a tub. I like it!
Negafen (author)  thecheatscalc6 years ago
Why would I put the top back on? Just kidding, maybe I ought to make a little comment about putting the top back on.
BLACKROD6 years ago
Excellent!
Kiteman6 years ago
What is the "fog cage" for? doesn't it allow fog to escape before being chilled?
Negafen (author)  Kiteman6 years ago
I'll add the science step when I get back from work. I skipped the step by accident. The pressure of the fog machine shooting out the hot fog is sufficient to blow all the fog into the chiller, I'll explain what it's for in just a few hours.
if I recall correctly, the Fog Cage gives an opening between the final aerator (atomizer) of the fog machine and the enclosed tube... often, just as the fog exits the machine, due to its compressed nature, it tends to re-condense, rather than remaining as a mist... the fog cage helps stop that from happening... There is a better solution, however, than a "fog cage". Replace it with a PVC Y fitting with a PC case fan connected to the free end ( that joins at an angle) this forces air into the fog mix, helping it to "spread" and remain a fog, without allowing leakage, which can make it look hokey... image courtesy US Plastic Corp, my source for bulk plastic orders
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Negafen (author)  gschoppe6 years ago
The Y fitting and case fan approach is great because it automatically acts as a distributor as well. But I wanted the simplest project for hobbyists who haven't built a fog chiller before. I find a fog cage to achieve just barely shy of the same amount of volume increase as the forced air mixing approach
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