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Picture of The infinite battery (crystal cell battery)

look around you right now what do you see? I see limitless energy just waiting to be harnessed, The question is how?

Answer: using Crystal power cell, but how does on work? I work's because the Crystal that is formed has two unique abilities, it's piezo electric and thermoelectric. This means that whenever sound waves hit this it produces electricity, and whenever it's heated it also produces electricity, when it starts to produce energy. You may have noticed in the title that I have claimed that this is an infinant battery, that is because as we speak there are two of these sitting on someone's shelf that have been running an LED and a small motor for the last two years, impressive right. You can see these at http://laserhacker.com/ On this website you can find lots of cool things like motors that run on almost nothing, or solar powered cars, everything on this website is open source that is the reason why you can't buy these because big companies don't see any profit in something you can just make.

The original inventor of this was jhon huchison, a self taught theoretical physicist who in his spare time conducts home experiments using surplus navy equipment. I first heard about these batteries on YouTube and for the last month I've been assembling all the needed materials to build this, the main reason I worked so hard to make this is because I wanted to see if this was even legit, so I tried it and to my surprise I was able to get half a volt of AC current which is awesome considering the fact that there is no record to date of these stopping, so without further due here it is. Be sure to vote for me, thank you.

 
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ok cool ill definately rember that. the crystal battery i made was using a small straw peace that was about half or just under half the size of a tripple a battery. i made 6 cells wen not under load they had produced 4.6 volts of power and under load i was getting about 1.2 volts maby a bit less. still it is a awesom project to play with i definately encorage pepole to try this project.

i put togeather the non heated battery and it worked beutifuly though i think i wound up messing up i added water to it to increes the voltage output and apperently the water and salt solution ate up the magnezium. all and all it worked wonderfuly. i need to figure out the circut that will build up the charge then dump it in to a larger cap to make a verry usefull self charging flashlight.

anders625 (author)  atilladolphunyesterday

yay, puting water into the cell will activate the galvanic effect which will cause the battery to cerode. If you create a joule thief circuit it will regulate the voltage so that it will be able to power an LED. Thanks for the comment.

rimar20004 months ago

In Intro you say: "I was able to get half a volt of AC current". As far as I know, AC stands for Alternate Current. That is understandable if you are getting current from vibrations.

In step 11 you say "the copper is your positive lead and the bolt is your negative one".

There is a conflict among these two sentences, please clear it.

For the rest, good instructable.

I am not 100% certain on this aspect but after a little debate with one of the Community Team members I might actually build one soon myself to clear up a few things, but I "think" the main output is dc with an ac ripple riding on top which comes from the frequencies going on with the cell but the dc is coming from a more normal dry cell like opperation without extra circuitry it would only be possible to capture dc or ac at one time but with some high speed diodes in a bridge rectifier config I believe there would be an increase in output? will update when I find the time to check this.

anders625 (author)  rimar20004 months ago

thanks for your comment, but I don't see the conflict. Maybe give a little more description.

If you have a positive lead, you dont' have AC, you have DC.

And vice versa.

r-philp4 months ago

In this instructible I'm seeing salts and dissimilar metals. This sounds like the classic formula for an electro-chemical cell. I suspect that the salts' natural hydrophilic properties are pulling water out of the atmosphere to moisten the electrolyte. I expect that it probably does provide a small DC current, that improves in a damp atmosphere. Eventually you should find corrosion on the inside surfaces of the metal as the anode and cathode are consumed. Once these are all consumed, the cell will stop producing electricity, just like any other battery.

The "science" seems a bit sketchy. The author claims in the third paragraph that it produces AC current, and in the conclusion states that the copper is the positive terminal, and the bolt is negative. Which is it? AC or DC?

Not a bad start for an instructible, good pictures, but it could use some tweaking.

toms1 r-philp18 days ago

an old meter with worn out cap could fail to filter out DC on the AC scale so he was likely getting 1 volt plus DC this mistake does not invalidate the claim and just means his measurement was lower then what really present stop picking on simple mistakes and start pointing them out and work with the info we have such as 1 volt plus DC could be 1.3 volts for all we know

anders625 (author)  r-philp4 months ago

AC, because the waves produce alternating current.

Krinkov4 months ago

This is the creator of the "crystal cell" http://www.skepdic.com/hutchisonhoax.html

anders625 (author)  Krinkov4 months ago

I typed that in, and it said the page wasn't found?

Krinkov anders6254 months ago

The site works for me. Try searching for "hutchinson fraud" on google. Also, the reason you are getting a somewhat angry response to your instructable is due to people falling for hoaxes perpetrated by people such as Hutchinson. The guy just babbles scientific sounding terms to explain his hoaxes. We get angry because we don't want young impressionable minds such as yours becoming tainted by frauds on the internet.

If you would like to learn about something that does actually generate electrical power from heat, look up peltier junctions and the thermoelectric effect on google.

toms1 Krinkov18 days ago

i have seen these things for some time and they seem to be far then meets the eye i would like to see some research into this field and i could care less about threats from the oil industy

mykiscool3 months ago

Just out of curiosity, how many watts can each of these produce?

I'm also a bit skeptical about the power output. Could you try hooking your cell up to a load and measuring the voltage drop?

that is a good idea but i thing the voltage drop is gonna be notable but even a direct short will not bring it down that far as the units are shunted now a bigger cell would have less drop at a specified current but at max current the voltage drop would be the same just a higher current for the amount of space these units take they do not put out the same max power as a normal battery but put one of these in say a clock and they will outlive the clock

toms1 mykiscool18 days ago

this is easy to calculate 100 MA or .1 amp x volt 1.3 the this would be .13 watts per cell the max voltage i have seen that was repeatable is 1.3 and the half inch pipe cap cells typicaly put out any ware from 50 to 100 MA or .05-.1 amps

Kiteman4 months ago

Would you care to explain exactly how this device harvests both thermal and sound energy?

And can we see it powering something? Even better, can we see a video of it connected to voltmeters and ammeters across a load as it converts sound and heat to electrochemically stored energy?

anders625 (author)  Kiteman4 months ago

Here is your video, enjoy, Also I explained how these work in the instructable.

Kiteman anders6254 months ago

You didn't explain, you asserted.

> How does an allegedly piezoelectric mixture harvest ambient heat and transform it into electrochemical energy?

> How does an allegedly piezoelectric mixture both transform and store energy?

(We'll get on to the horrendous safety issues of your procedure when you've convinced us it works.)

anders625 (author)  Kiteman4 months ago

The Crystal lattice that forms when the chemicals are melted together. this lattice when hit by waves, wether heat or sound excites the valence elections causing them to move around, when this happens the two metals ( the anode and cathode) direct the electrons into current.

"Safety issues?" What safety issues? I,m sure that there are some hazards, but why do you care about what I do?

Kiteman anders6254 months ago

I get the horrible feeling that you actually mean all that...

Do you not understand the risks and hazards involved in drilling into magnesium with a power drill?

Come on, prove it works; show us video of *your* build running (not somebody else's), hooked up to meters that show the power increasing when you shout at it...

anders625 (author)  Kiteman4 months ago

Thank you for your comments, and yes I do understand the risks which is why I went slow. Magnesium is a very weak metal allowing it to be cut easily, however magnesium highly reactive. I have seen magnesium burn and it is very bright and hot because when it burns it doesn't require oxygen. From lighting magnesium first hand I will tell you it takes a lot of energy to ignite it, ferocioum on the other hand will make tons of sparks when struck or drilled into. Even if I were to go full speed with the drill it wouldn't produce enough heat to ignite it.

Like I said in the instructable "it produces a half a volt" and if you know any thing about electronics an LED requires at least 2.5v to light, And a motor requires a bit more the video that I provided shows it working and it also shows the voltage of the one that he made, I made mine using the same basic concept, a magnesium core, a copper shell , and the same mixture on the inside. I can't prove to you this works but the guy who I got this idea from can prove it. There is also another vid. that shows one of these being heated while attached to a multimeter and it shows the voltage increasing. I don't have the luxury of owning a multimeter, so can't show you it working, but other people can, so that's why I gave other people's videos.

I feel like you and I got off on the wrong foot. Earlier today things were said from both sides that probably shouldn't of been said so I would like to formally apologise for some of the things I said, in hopes that you will forgive me. I'm sure that you are a great educator and that all your kids love you. I hope that from this point on, we can act like none of that ever happens, also i forgive you for the things that you said. Thank you.

Kiteman anders6254 months ago

Oh, dear,,,

I have seen magnesium burn and it is very bright and hot because when it
burns it doesn't require oxygen.

Burning magnesium *does* need something. If you light it in the air, it will burn with oxygen.

From lighting magnesium first hand I
will tell you it takes a lot of energy to ignite it, ... Even if
I were to go full speed with the drill it wouldn't produce enough heat
to ignite it.

You may tell me that, but you'd be wrong. When I light magnesium as a demonstration in lessons, I use a cigarette lighter. When it ignites, the temperature shoots up to over 3000°C and emits enough ultraviolet radiation to give you a nasty, potentially permanent, case of "welder's eye"

...if you know any thing about electronics an LED requires at least 2.5v to light,

Strange. How come I can light them with 0.7V?

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You may have been convinced that you have created a scientific marvel, but, at best, all you have created is a simple, low-efficiency chemical cell. Any voltage is driven by the difference in reactivity between the copper and the steel screw. The magnesium has little effect, because you have shorted it out with the electrolytic mixture.

It does not convert heat to electricity, it does not change sound or other vibrations to electricity.

All power to you experimenting, but do not assume that a thing works just because you have seen a video on YouTube. Such videos are very, very easily faked, and often are.

I said "at best, all you have created is a simple, low-efficiency chemical cell". In all likelihood, you have not even made that - until you can demonstrate it powering something, all you have made is a pipe full of goo. In this line of research, multimeters are not a luxury, they are an absolute necessity (especially since you seem to think batteries produce AC). The good news is that you can pick up a basic model off Amazon or Ebay for under $5.

Buy the meter, test your cell as I have suggested, and then come back to prove me wrong...

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Thank you for your apology, but I have seen no comment of yours that would require it, nor have I made any such comment myself, unless you feel I need to apologise for correcting factual errors and attempting to ensure that anybody reading this does not badly burn themselves and damage their own eyesight?

anders625 (author)  Kiteman4 months ago

do you not remember the comment that you made and then deleted! I haven't discovered a scientific marvel all I've done is make something I saw on youtube and put it on instructables. Your an educator you said, correct? Then please tell me why does an educator is putting down a 17 year old? I mean what kind of person does that, I thought teachers were supposed to inspire kids, all you've done is go on and on about how it dosent work. If you don't like it then why don't you just take your business else where, the way you treated me gives a very good reflection on how you treat your students, how rude. I don't have the time, or the energy to deal with a teacher who spends his time making stupid little comments like the one. People like you make me sick!

Kiteman anders6254 months ago

1. Yes, I remember the comment, but I did not delete it.

2. Being 17 is irrelevant. By your age you should have the skills, knowledge and maturity to present your work properly, identify bad science, do your own science properly, and deal with criticism. I expected nothing from that I would not expect from my own students, some two or three years younger than you.

You are of the lucky generation, you have the entirety of human knowledge available at the click of a mouse, yet you uncritically accepted as gospel truth a single dodgy concept on the strength of a YouTube video, without investigating around it, and assumed that following the instructions would automatically bring success.

You made factual assertions about the functionality of your project, yet you have done nothing to even check that you are producing a voltage, let alone lasting for years or converting other energy forms into stored electrochemical energy. I told you several times how to test your assertions, and easily prove me wrong. Stop hiding behind your age, get over yourself, and move on.

AndyN1 Kiteman20 days ago

"Why some teachers are so ready to construct critisism with the little knowlegde they have and attacking a kid of 17, who is actually right on many aspects" is absurd. Magnesium ribon burns at 473 °C but a solid block would need far greater temperature to ignite. An old scout trick is to have a block of magnesium and a pocket knife to light fires with the spark of scraping a shaving of the block igniting the shaving not the block (thinking of your head). A friend of mine has spent continueously on batteries for his wireless doorbell, but since he has used 6 crystal cells connected to a few capcitors to power the same bell there is no more great expense and no continuous battery changing, so these cells can save money and effort but it seems you enjoy extra effort putting young kids down so you can stay the all knowing proffesor. There is also a video on youtube, I believe to be genuine - of a fella running a joule ringer to light a mains voltage bulb on about 12 or so of these crystal cells, although I do not need to believe that as I have witnessed first hand proof they are very usefull. If you are frightened you will burn yourself why not make one with zinc which burns above its boiling point of 907 °C and is what is combined with copper to make brass and to galvanize iron products. To prove to yourself what power you can get before jumping on the young enthusiast and trying to steal his enthusiasm. How you can say anyone born in the state we have brought this world to, (because greedy people preffer to deny benaficial developments and instead make money from oil and old school laws that have already been broken many times) is lucky - is also sad. Do you expect this kid to solve all the problems that have been made by earlier generations that got it all wrong so love to critisize the innocent? I am not going to appologize for my statements as i am trying to help you and others by pointing out where you are wrong. but expect you will no doubt dream up a nice little retalition in which case you are just too hard skined and uncaring to argue with so there you have it if you can forgive yourself have a nice day.

Kiteman AndyN120 days ago

It took a couple of readings to get the gist of that, but, as far as I understand it, you are criticising me for expecting a little evidence to support grandiose claims, and then trying to set me up as some sort of evil troll if I don't kow-tow to your badly-phrased "logic"?

Would that be correct?

AndyN1 Kiteman20 days ago

Well you almost got my badly phrased ... i would not call it logic. There was so much i wanted to say and trying to get it all in a small caption is not easy. I am 52 and I don't see that any kid born in recent times has it easier or luckier than older people (including my 2.5 year old daughter) ... thats common sense if you understand how the world has so many more problems and problematic people, and was explaining that yes you might want to do a bit more research before critising. Your experience of lighting magnesium was obviously with ribon as it takes more heat to light a block, the lighting a block bit makes me smile, I don't know why I try! However ultimately this device does work with usefull output that lasts far longer than expensive batteries if you tried it you may not be so prearmed with rubber bullets all be it tough rubber. You may actually be quite an entertaining person if one takes time to know you better I mean the evil troll side of you is quite humourus! I was thinking more of deprived in some way but not thinking you need set up in anyway, except with the correct parts to build a crystal cell and conduct your own tests on it! the output is less than an aa baterry but if stored in capacitors can be very usefull when required also a continuous short on these cells for a day will not overheat or noticably subtract from thier ability to continue putting out several 10's - 100's of milliamps - a little more than you can expect from a standard carbon zinc aa cell. I believe in harmony and development of cleaner energy systems not greed and destruction which is how I see the main stream education system and governments going although admitadly they occasionally suprise me by taking a step in the right direction. Glad to see the rain has past I managed to catch 50 gallons but the sun is now so welcome.

Kiteman AndyN120 days ago

You have a very negative view of the world, don't you? I'm a little younger than you, but I remember the state having to put up with local libraries having only a few dozen science texts, and nothing up to date, unless you write to other libraries and ask them to send a copy of a book, or maybe a microfiche edition of a journal, to my own library. Not a hope of anything from other countries, and instant transmission and translation of detailed, full-colour, animated journals was beyond the realms of science fiction.

There is no excuse for not knowing basic facts when you are sitting at an internet-capable device with a modern* education behind you.

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Now, where exactly did I say that the block would ignite? You are completely neglecting the swarf produced by the drill, much easier to ignite than ribbon, having a greater surface area per unit volume. As you say, do a bit more research before criticising.

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Now, you've asserted that this magical device works. That's nice. Let's see the proof. You're so confident, let's see you make one and hook it up to a load and proper metering.

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("Clean energy"? Have you any idea how much power it takes to extract magnesium, aluminium etc as a pure metal?)

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*Modern, excepting those US states currently working to deliberately remove anything from the curriculum that contradicts a very literal interpretation of a bronze-age myth.

AndyN1 Kiteman20 days ago

I am aware of many chemical extraction processes but you seem to think i am trying to extract one begining with p, I have tried to be as nice as possible and do not need any slack cut as i don't have the time to write instructables and had never made a comment on this site untill I seen your attacks. I thought it was a waste of time putting accross my thoughts in a nice way so i'll just leave it there.Feel free to cut me off if you like I don't need any slack. I run my own pc business and I never had much difficulty get the information I needed before internet even when I was 6 back in 1968 I aquired enough information to build a working crystal radio set which my school asked me to demonstrate and so i did. I wish I had time to show you the results you are asking for but really if you want to believe it, try it! I have already seen the evidence so thats good enough for me. If there is not enough in the books try experimenting but be carefull with the swarf it could be thiner than ribon! I will not waste my time on here again.

AndyN1 AndyN120 days ago

Actually I just thought I could actually do an instructable on how to change a screen on a laptop as that is my next job I am about to pick the screen up from the post office as i missed the postman this morning, so if you like i'll just take some picks and write the insructions. Just to show you how negative i really am!

Kiteman AndyN120 days ago
AndyN1 Kiteman18 days ago

Am not sure how to contact you direct so I shall say it here, I have repaired the laptop taking a few hundred photos have narrowed that down to 149 totaling 120 meg i did use a phone but its an iphone 5 s so the photos are better than some cameras. I have also spent hours putting captions and arrows on the photos its my first instructable and may be my last unless I can get everything accross with less time involved, geeze I could have replaced 5 screens or more in that time! Forgot what i was going to ask but photos are taking ages and I had them all in order with steps but not sure how its all gonna play out. I have the photos grouped as follows

1 "before we start" 6 categories

1 Health and Saftey

2 The machine we are repairing

3 how do we know the screen is broken

4 check screen is what you ordered

5 things you need

6 remove the battery

2 "removing old screen" 3 cat

1 Remove Screen Surround

2 Actually unclipping the surround

3 removing screen

3 "led salvage" lone cat

4 "before fitting new screen" lone cat

5 "fitting the new screen" lone cat

6 "finishing of"

any advice?????

Kiteman AndyN118 days ago

That sounds like everything you need.

(For future reference, "orange text" means a link, so you can click on anybody's name to see their profile, and click on a button that says "Private Message" ("PM") to communicate out of the public view.)

AndyN1 Kiteman18 days ago

Am not sure how to contact you direct so I shall say it here, I have repaired the laptop taking a few hundred photos have narrowed that down to 149 totaling 120 meg i did use a phone but its an iphone 5 s so the photos are better than some cameras. I have also spent hours putting captions and arrows on the photos its my first instructable and may be my last unless I can get everything accross with less time involved, geeze I could have replaced 5 screens or more in that time! Forgot what i was going to ask but photos are taking ages and I had them all in order with steps but not sure how its all gonna play out. I have the photos grouped as follows

1 "before we start" 6 categories

1 Health and Saftey

2 The machine we are repairing

3 how do we know the screen is broken

4 check screen is what you ordered

5 things you need

6 remove the battery

2 "removing old screen" 3 cat

1 Remove Screen Surround

2 Actually unclipping the surround

3 removing screen

3 "led salvage" lone cat

4 "before fitting new screen" lone cat

5 "fitting the new screen" lone cat

6 "finishing of"

any advice?????

As noted above, I like this project, though not for the reasons asserted in the video here. This video is a hoax. He has either stacked multiple cells in series within the cell he made or - more likely - has concealed a carbon/zinc or alkaline cell within a dummy cell. On the rather vague website for this author, he asserts that Aluminum can be used, but will give a lower voltage. That's because it's a chemical cell. The electronegativity of Aluminum is 1.61, which when utilizing copper as the other metal, will give a voltage of .3V If this were anything other than a chemical cell, the voltage would go UP with aluminum because it is a better conductor of electricity than magnesium, and provides lower internal resistance. Everybody wants to violate the laws of thermodynamics, and everyone who likes making things has tried to do so at some time or other. The only things you're guilty of are creativity and optimism. The dude who made the video ... that's another story.

infanati Kiteman4 months ago

Check out john Hutchison's work on crystal batteries or Bedini's.

Jonny J infanati4 months ago

But they don't explain how they work either.... they just spout pseudo-scientific claptrap.

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