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The infinite battery (crystal cell battery)

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look around you right now what do you see? I see limitless energy just waiting to be harnessed, The question is how?

Answer: using Crystal power cell, but how does on work? I work's because the Crystal that is formed has two unique abilities, it's piezo electric and thermoelectric. This means that whenever sound waves hit this it produces electricity, and whenever it's heated it also produces electricity, when it starts to produce energy. You may have noticed in the title that I have claimed that this is an infinant battery, that is because as we speak there are two of these sitting on someone's shelf that have been running an LED and a small motor for the last two years, impressive right. You can see these at http://laserhacker.com/ On this website you can find lots of cool things like motors that run on almost nothing, or solar powered cars, everything on this website is open source that is the reason why you can't buy these because big companies don't see any profit in something you can just make.

The original inventor of this was jhon huchison, a self taught theoretical physicist who in his spare time conducts home experiments using surplus navy equipment. I first heard about these batteries on YouTube and for the last month I've been assembling all the needed materials to build this, the main reason I worked so hard to make this is because I wanted to see if this was even legit, so I tried it and to my surprise I was able to get half a volt of AC current which is awesome considering the fact that there is no record to date of these stopping, so without further due here it is. Be sure to vote for me, thank you.

 
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mykiscool2 months ago

Just out of curiosity, how many watts can each of these produce?

I'm also a bit skeptical about the power output. Could you try hooking your cell up to a load and measuring the voltage drop?

how many volts is it can you check for me with a multimeter

Krinkov2 months ago

This is the creator of the "crystal cell" http://www.skepdic.com/hutchisonhoax.html

anders625 (author)  Krinkov2 months ago

I typed that in, and it said the page wasn't found?

Krinkov anders6252 months ago

The site works for me. Try searching for "hutchinson fraud" on google. Also, the reason you are getting a somewhat angry response to your instructable is due to people falling for hoaxes perpetrated by people such as Hutchinson. The guy just babbles scientific sounding terms to explain his hoaxes. We get angry because we don't want young impressionable minds such as yours becoming tainted by frauds on the internet.

If you would like to learn about something that does actually generate electrical power from heat, look up peltier junctions and the thermoelectric effect on google.

how about a video of it increasing its output when sound is directed towards it, or one with heat applied. or maybe one of a battery producing ac. lol
Kiteman2 months ago

Would you care to explain exactly how this device harvests both thermal and sound energy?

And can we see it powering something? Even better, can we see a video of it connected to voltmeters and ammeters across a load as it converts sound and heat to electrochemically stored energy?

anders625 (author)  Kiteman2 months ago

Here is your video, enjoy, Also I explained how these work in the instructable.

As noted above, I like this project, though not for the reasons asserted in the video here. This video is a hoax. He has either stacked multiple cells in series within the cell he made or - more likely - has concealed a carbon/zinc or alkaline cell within a dummy cell. On the rather vague website for this author, he asserts that Aluminum can be used, but will give a lower voltage. That's because it's a chemical cell. The electronegativity of Aluminum is 1.61, which when utilizing copper as the other metal, will give a voltage of .3V If this were anything other than a chemical cell, the voltage would go UP with aluminum because it is a better conductor of electricity than magnesium, and provides lower internal resistance. Everybody wants to violate the laws of thermodynamics, and everyone who likes making things has tried to do so at some time or other. The only things you're guilty of are creativity and optimism. The dude who made the video ... that's another story.

Kiteman anders6252 months ago

You didn't explain, you asserted.

> How does an allegedly piezoelectric mixture harvest ambient heat and transform it into electrochemical energy?

> How does an allegedly piezoelectric mixture both transform and store energy?

(We'll get on to the horrendous safety issues of your procedure when you've convinced us it works.)

anders625 (author)  Kiteman2 months ago

The Crystal lattice that forms when the chemicals are melted together. this lattice when hit by waves, wether heat or sound excites the valence elections causing them to move around, when this happens the two metals ( the anode and cathode) direct the electrons into current.

"Safety issues?" What safety issues? I,m sure that there are some hazards, but why do you care about what I do?

Kiteman anders6252 months ago

I get the horrible feeling that you actually mean all that...

Do you not understand the risks and hazards involved in drilling into magnesium with a power drill?

Come on, prove it works; show us video of *your* build running (not somebody else's), hooked up to meters that show the power increasing when you shout at it...

anders625 (author)  Kiteman2 months ago

Thank you for your comments, and yes I do understand the risks which is why I went slow. Magnesium is a very weak metal allowing it to be cut easily, however magnesium highly reactive. I have seen magnesium burn and it is very bright and hot because when it burns it doesn't require oxygen. From lighting magnesium first hand I will tell you it takes a lot of energy to ignite it, ferocioum on the other hand will make tons of sparks when struck or drilled into. Even if I were to go full speed with the drill it wouldn't produce enough heat to ignite it.

Like I said in the instructable "it produces a half a volt" and if you know any thing about electronics an LED requires at least 2.5v to light, And a motor requires a bit more the video that I provided shows it working and it also shows the voltage of the one that he made, I made mine using the same basic concept, a magnesium core, a copper shell , and the same mixture on the inside. I can't prove to you this works but the guy who I got this idea from can prove it. There is also another vid. that shows one of these being heated while attached to a multimeter and it shows the voltage increasing. I don't have the luxury of owning a multimeter, so can't show you it working, but other people can, so that's why I gave other people's videos.

I feel like you and I got off on the wrong foot. Earlier today things were said from both sides that probably shouldn't of been said so I would like to formally apologise for some of the things I said, in hopes that you will forgive me. I'm sure that you are a great educator and that all your kids love you. I hope that from this point on, we can act like none of that ever happens, also i forgive you for the things that you said. Thank you.

Kiteman anders6252 months ago

Oh, dear,,,

I have seen magnesium burn and it is very bright and hot because when it
burns it doesn't require oxygen.

Burning magnesium *does* need something. If you light it in the air, it will burn with oxygen.

From lighting magnesium first hand I
will tell you it takes a lot of energy to ignite it, ... Even if
I were to go full speed with the drill it wouldn't produce enough heat
to ignite it.

You may tell me that, but you'd be wrong. When I light magnesium as a demonstration in lessons, I use a cigarette lighter. When it ignites, the temperature shoots up to over 3000°C and emits enough ultraviolet radiation to give you a nasty, potentially permanent, case of "welder's eye"

...if you know any thing about electronics an LED requires at least 2.5v to light,

Strange. How come I can light them with 0.7V?

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You may have been convinced that you have created a scientific marvel, but, at best, all you have created is a simple, low-efficiency chemical cell. Any voltage is driven by the difference in reactivity between the copper and the steel screw. The magnesium has little effect, because you have shorted it out with the electrolytic mixture.

It does not convert heat to electricity, it does not change sound or other vibrations to electricity.

All power to you experimenting, but do not assume that a thing works just because you have seen a video on YouTube. Such videos are very, very easily faked, and often are.

I said "at best, all you have created is a simple, low-efficiency chemical cell". In all likelihood, you have not even made that - until you can demonstrate it powering something, all you have made is a pipe full of goo. In this line of research, multimeters are not a luxury, they are an absolute necessity (especially since you seem to think batteries produce AC). The good news is that you can pick up a basic model off Amazon or Ebay for under $5.

Buy the meter, test your cell as I have suggested, and then come back to prove me wrong...

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Thank you for your apology, but I have seen no comment of yours that would require it, nor have I made any such comment myself, unless you feel I need to apologise for correcting factual errors and attempting to ensure that anybody reading this does not badly burn themselves and damage their own eyesight?

anders625 (author)  Kiteman2 months ago

do you not remember the comment that you made and then deleted! I haven't discovered a scientific marvel all I've done is make something I saw on youtube and put it on instructables. Your an educator you said, correct? Then please tell me why does an educator is putting down a 17 year old? I mean what kind of person does that, I thought teachers were supposed to inspire kids, all you've done is go on and on about how it dosent work. If you don't like it then why don't you just take your business else where, the way you treated me gives a very good reflection on how you treat your students, how rude. I don't have the time, or the energy to deal with a teacher who spends his time making stupid little comments like the one. People like you make me sick!

Kiteman anders6252 months ago

1. Yes, I remember the comment, but I did not delete it.

2. Being 17 is irrelevant. By your age you should have the skills, knowledge and maturity to present your work properly, identify bad science, do your own science properly, and deal with criticism. I expected nothing from that I would not expect from my own students, some two or three years younger than you.

You are of the lucky generation, you have the entirety of human knowledge available at the click of a mouse, yet you uncritically accepted as gospel truth a single dodgy concept on the strength of a YouTube video, without investigating around it, and assumed that following the instructions would automatically bring success.

You made factual assertions about the functionality of your project, yet you have done nothing to even check that you are producing a voltage, let alone lasting for years or converting other energy forms into stored electrochemical energy. I told you several times how to test your assertions, and easily prove me wrong. Stop hiding behind your age, get over yourself, and move on.

infanati Kiteman2 months ago

Check out john Hutchison's work on crystal batteries or Bedini's.

Jonny J infanati2 months ago

But they don't explain how they work either.... they just spout pseudo-scientific claptrap.

This looks like a standard Mg-Cu cell. The voltage you're reporting is the amount you'd see when comparing the electronegativity of Cu and Mg (1.90 - 1.30), less any resistance from the set-up you've got going. Heating the cell would tend to lower the resistance, as it would allow the ions to move through the "crystal" (i.e. dry cell paste) you've created. This set up is also reminiscent of early microphones involving a carbon cup, a carbon rod, and carbon powder. It would look a bit like the cell you have here. When you make noise around the old-time microphones, the sound waves would compress the carbon powder slightly, lowering the resistance in direct proportion to the amount of noise. In that system, the power source would be external and would be hooked up to the microphone. In this system, the power source is the electrochemical cell you've created, so this could be seen as an interesting and primitive self-powered microphone. I mean, if it does actually work as indicated here. If it's producing half a volt, it should be enough to power a small speaker. Sounds like a cool experiment! Hook 'er up! (Side note: if you hook it up to an amplified stereo, make sure the volume is WAY down, as you will get a brutal amount of hum. Maybe put a resistor or two in-line to bring down the power. Don't want to burn anything out.)

rimar20002 months ago

In Intro you say: "I was able to get half a volt of AC current". As far as I know, AC stands for Alternate Current. That is understandable if you are getting current from vibrations.

In step 11 you say "the copper is your positive lead and the bolt is your negative one".

There is a conflict among these two sentences, please clear it.

For the rest, good instructable.

anders625 (author)  rimar20002 months ago

thanks for your comment, but I don't see the conflict. Maybe give a little more description.

If you have a positive lead, you dont' have AC, you have DC.

And vice versa.

Krinkov2 months ago

You just created a battery. You have two dissimilar metals in contact with salts. The alum is acting as a binder because it melts at a low temperature and the borax is acting as a channel for the ions to travel through. It is somewhat interesting as an easy to make dry cell battery at least.

hoerstkamp2 months ago

I like it make it test it ...... make a lot more of it

r-philp2 months ago

In this instructible I'm seeing salts and dissimilar metals. This sounds like the classic formula for an electro-chemical cell. I suspect that the salts' natural hydrophilic properties are pulling water out of the atmosphere to moisten the electrolyte. I expect that it probably does provide a small DC current, that improves in a damp atmosphere. Eventually you should find corrosion on the inside surfaces of the metal as the anode and cathode are consumed. Once these are all consumed, the cell will stop producing electricity, just like any other battery.

The "science" seems a bit sketchy. The author claims in the third paragraph that it produces AC current, and in the conclusion states that the copper is the positive terminal, and the bolt is negative. Which is it? AC or DC?

Not a bad start for an instructible, good pictures, but it could use some tweaking.

anders625 (author)  r-philp2 months ago

AC, because the waves produce alternating current.

fusionfast22 months ago
Ok so when you put the mixture in the copper pipe do u put some in the bottom the put the mag block in or do you put the block in and then the mixture and the block is visible on the bottom of the pipe?
anders625 (author)  fusionfast22 months ago

thanks for the comment, on mine you can see the magnesium block.

russ_hensel2 months ago

Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_Electric_Bell for a long term, but not infinite, battery with legit scientientific credentials.

anders625 (author)  russ_hensel2 months ago

Thank you for the comment. when I put the word "infinite" in the title I more ment for it to be an attention getter, I don't actually know how long these last, there are some that have been going for the last two years and are still going strong.

verence2 months ago
1/4 cup of no salt

I don't have any salt. Can I use 'no sugar' instead?

anders625 (author)  verence2 months ago

thanks for your comment. No Salt is a brand of salt substitute this is also known as potassium chloride (KCl). I don't know if sugar would work, but you can always try it.

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