Step 8: Beam Shots

Finally had some time to take beam shots.  I did not have a tripod handy so the crispness is a little lacking but the results come across.  For comparison I also took some pics of the headlight beam from a stock CB550 with incandescent bulb on HIGH beams.  The photos show that the LED has a much broader beam and a lot more light in general.  The throw is pretty similar between the two with the incandescent is much more focused and directed.  From a rider point of view, the LED is a big improvement over the anemic stock light.  Comparison photos are taken with the same camera settings.
<p>Well done, and thanks for taking the time out to make the guide. Cheers!</p>
<p>Great build! I noticed in the step 8 pics you have a Honda SuperCub. Have you tried something similar for it using the stock headlight housing? There are a lot of scooter owners with a early 6 volt system looking for a low watt lighting setup. </p>
Good eye. That isn't my SuperCub, but it does have an LED light that I build for it. The driver is a boost type, driving a 3-up XPG star but another good method would be a buck type driving a single XML. The stock headlight housing is terrible for LEDs from an optics and a thermal perspective but the owner didn't want to lose the &quot;original&quot; look. I could detail that build if you'd like. I've also done retrofits into several Honda city bikes (and two more waiting) from the 80s as well and should write those up too.
<p> I can understand the difficulty of the issue. Like the owner of the Cub, I'd like to keep the original look. CPU's in a laptop only have a plate atop them with a thick copper strip that routes the heat to an exchange grid to vent externally. I wonder if the same would work with a LED headlight setup. Plenty of room behind the forks for a heat sink.</p><p> Yes, would like to know more about your builds. Thanks!</p>
<p>Yes, a &quot;heat pipe&quot; if you will can channel the heat to a remote sink, with some commensurate increase in LED temperature due to increased thermal system resistance. Can also use the frame itself as the heat sink if there is enough metal around.</p>
<p>Rad project. plenty bright + looks mean. I doubled the recipe</p>
<p>I <br> got a couple of the lenses for the 100w LED, they don't concentrate the <br> light enough, plus, as you mention, there is no cut off.. I was hoping <br>it would be closer to a projector light as used on modern cars.</p><p>Maybe <br> play with lens position, move it forwards and back until I get beam I <br>want. Going to step up to 2-1/2&quot; copper pipe which is big enough to <br>mount a 12 v fan inside, radial holes for airflow and make heatpipes <br>from 1/4&quot; copper tube. The weirder looking the better for a steampunk <br>theme </p><p>'Frenching' the lens inside pipe should cut down unwanted beam?</p>
<p>Curious to see a pic of the lenses you got for the 100W LED. Frenching, or recessing the lens and LED will change the spill of the LED, but you may need something like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackout_light" rel="nofollow">black-out headlight covers from WWII</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for Instructable, I can make stuff and adapt idea's but not so good at coming up with stuff :)</p><p>I like the idea of copper pipe, going to use it on my 'steampunk' XS650 but will use 32~36v-100w LED and a step up transformer plus 2-1/4&quot; pipe (LED is little over 2-1/8&quot;)</p><p>Copper has much better heat transfer so can act as the heatsink but I may add a couple of 12v computer fans as well.</p>
<p>100W LED? Hmmm. Get ready to be ticketed. Good luck!</p>
<p>I put a light together to test, the beam patter is completely wrong. If I can find some way to control the light direction I'm going to make it Going to need some sort of 'standard' lens over the LED 'bulb' which will cut down efficiency somewhat :)</p>
<p>You aren't using a lens at all right now I imagine. Certainly not the lens I specified. The lens I specified cuts down somewhat on the glare to oncoming traffic by concentrating the light but still lacks the &quot;cut off&quot; of a true DOT approved headlight. Without a lens you are basically spreading all 100W of LED illumination everywhere with likely a half intensity angle of 120 degrees. Which makes for a blinding but ineffective headlight. You can try and fit a standard motorcycle housing over the LED but it will impact your cooling negatively (and thus LED lifetime) and the differences in source light from the halogen bulb and the planar LED COB (chip on board) array will make the housing lens (sort of Fresnel-esque) essentially useless. </p><p>Also, I don't think your 2-1/4&quot; pipe is up to the task of cooling a 100W LED unless it is also about 48&quot; long. So I'd be careful about running the LED while standing still. Will work better at 100mph or with fans as you mention. Still I'd expect your die junction temperatures are quite high and will lead to rapid failure.</p><p>Getting a lens for a large COB LED array is going to be difficult. You will not find anything off the shelf unless this COB is used on a production automobile. Designing you own is a difficult, solitary but satisfying option. Good luck.</p>
I'm in the same project except I'm putting my LEDs into a street fighter style headlight assembly this gave me a good idea were to by nicer more powerful LEDs instead of radio shack plus I will wire two seperate circuits now just in case on goes always keep the wheel turning I like your style of rat bobbers! It's awesome to see outside the box. And not mainstream style
142$? Guess if you have some of the equipment. Good for a steampunk bike!
Cool. Very nice. WAY over my head though!
Quick Question,<br>Does the Buck Puck work as a resistor or do you need put one on the leads?<br>(I'm trying to do this myself right now and I dont want to fry my LED)<br>:) Thanks!!!
The buck block is a constant current driver. If you wire the LED and power to the buck block as indicated in the datasheet you will be fine and will not need an additional resistor.
Love this on so may levels. <br><br>Quick question, how was the fit on the optics with the XM-L Stars? I have been looking around forever to find good optics and holders for them that are in stock.<br><br>
The optics holder fits fine and is designed to fit any star board. The optics are designed to work with any LED, as long as the correct holder height (focus) is used. The optics holder available at LEDSupply.com is not designed for the XML LED. The stand-off legs on the holder, effectively focal length, is varied for the various LED designs. In looking at the Carclo datasheets though, the holder for sale at LEDSupply.com is only off from the recommended XML leg length by 0.1mm or so which I thought was close enough. In practice it looks to be close enough as the lenses perform well on the XMLs. <br><br>The lens and holder fit to the copper housing could be tighter though, but barring custom machining something it was as close a fit as I could get. Once more optics options are out there for the XML more housing possibilities will emerge.<br>
Need to have a way to change lights in case of a burn out or malfunction. It is a real leg wettin experience to have both high and low beam burn out at 80 mph on a curve at night. I didn't see any back-up circuit for this option, since it is wired in series. Trust me, if it is on a motorcycle, it will need repair. They are very hard on lights and everything should be made to be servicable. On the bright side, this is an awesome idea and I'm sure many people will take advantage of it on custom bikes. You may even want to write in to that show, &quot;Biker Build Off&quot;, if it is still running. They would need to modify them, and have a way to service them, as would anyone using this setup. You could also reduce the cost greatly by using a regular outlet for the copper supplies, as they are available at any home improvement store and McMaster Carr is expensive.<br><br>I also think you could use these as driving lights in addition to a regular headlight, like on a Harley Dresser, which has small driving lights on the side of the big headlight, and that would keep it legal in most states. Switching would be an option of the owner, but using a auto sensing switch from a Caddy would be a cool addition to your idea. That would auto dim the lights when someone came your way, although a lot of people didn't like them, as they would auto-switch when getting false readings from billboards, etc, but a key item, would be a proper digital delay to keep them from switching too quickly. Now you got me fired up, and I can see a whole lot of good things that can be done with this type set-up.<br><br>Thanks for the cool idea.<br><br>Dan
Also, I find that McMaster.com is the same price or lower for most of the copper parts. That and you can buy various grades of copper (thin or thick wall) as well as the 1 1/4&quot; inch pipe in smaller 24&quot; sections. Home Depot only sells it in 8' lengths ($$$) which is more than I want or need.<br><br>For example, the 1 1/4&quot; coupler is only available with a stop at HD and sells for around $6. A 1 1/4&quot; coupler without stop is only $3.50 at McMaster. Your mileage may vary.<br>
Redundancy is a good idea. The original single bulb headlight did not have any however and my opinion is that the pictured LEDs and driver circuit will outlast the bike. You could use a driver in each pod and be effectively wired in parallel to the 12V headlight wire. Since the cost of the driver was a big part of the overall project cost, and the efficiency of the driver drops from 90% to 80% when running 1 rather than 2 LEDs in series we decided to put the pods in series on a single driver. Time will tell.
Heh heh...you made it look like Wall-e :P<br>Nice
I think I'm pretty ignorant here. Someone please help. I have never understood why someone would use a LED driver circuit? Doesn't a driver circuit push the consumed power above LED rated power by pulsing it? You would never want pulsed headlights on a motorcycle because it's hard on the eyes. And running above rating will shorten the life of the LED which means failure on the road. Why not just use 12 volt DC current through a larger number of LED's and a resister? It's a cool instructable regardless of my confusion.
The reason you would want to use a driver with a high power LED is that they supply a fixed current supply to the LED. <br><br>Generally the only time a driver would be pulsing would be if you were dimming the LED via PWM, as long as the frequency is high enough the flickering is not readily visible.<br><br>The problem with using just a resistor is that the current the LED draws is then directly tied to the voltage. The current increase/decrease can be quite extreme with just a small change to the voltage, I assume that the power supplied by the battery on a bike isn't that smooth (as it's being charged)...but that's just a guess.
Nice Instructable! Can you post a picture of the whole bike? I'm sure many people would like to see it. Your pictures are great!
Thanks for the feedback. We'll see what I can do on the pics. I am also working on a set of side-by-side beamshots comparing the bike headlights to a typical car headlights. Stay tuned.
See step 8.
Can you please add a night shot of these on the road to show their efficiency?
I second this, please do
See step 8.
Harley has a set of them.. Cha Ching.<br>http://www.harley-davidson.com/gma/gma_product.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524448775792&amp;default=none<br>
I'll just leave this here -<br> <br> https://www.kisantech.com/index.php?cat_id=2<br> <br> LInks to a commercially available headlamp modulator. I had one years ago (1982?) on a CB650. I was never run off the road in city or rural driving.<br> <br> I found this interesting as well<br> <br> http://users.snip.net/~WCLAMB/MODULATOR.HTM<br> <br> (has a link to above too). Poster lists legal and official federal guidelines for headlight modulation. I would double check, just because that's the kinda guy I am.<br> M.<br> BTW- 'ible looks great. &nbsp;Might just be the start of a steampunked bike.
It's good to see the DOT catching up with technology finally. Can't wait for stock replacement for universal applications.
Nice Idea Dear ,,<br>Now i am thinking to purchase New BIKE :) <br>to do this types Experiments ;)
What about the beam pattern? or are these designed as spotlights?
These use an elliptical lens. 44x8 FWHM.
Nice instructable!<br> <br> Looks like... hmm. At a guess, '75 CB450? This would be an awesome headlight cluster for my '73 CB350 cafe if I ever get it together.<br> <br> As a proponent of never-enough-illumintion when it comes to riding, I can see a double-stack of these on each side, two with the slit lens arranged one higher then the other, and two pin spots. Low beam could have the lower-aimed slit lens illuminated, while high beam could have the other three illuminated as well. Not only would visibility be much higher but it would look even more hard core :D
Close, it is a CB550. Thanks for reading.
That's an amazing amount of light. I can't wait for your photos of the beam comparison to a standard headlight! With the sphere, does it matter whether or not you have the beam focused on the sensor? Or is the reading taken from just the bare LED and no focusing device?
The intent of an integrating sphere is that the sensor does not image any of the light output from the lamp directly. Thus, the sensor is off axis and an internal baffle/shade used to ensure all light imaged by the sensor is reflected off of the internal walls.<br><br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrating_sphere
Just so you know, LEDs are not DOT approved for headlights, so this would not be a road-legal mod.
Maybe not everywhere: Metro Transit in Seattle is starting to run LED headlights on some buses here. They have been traffic lights for years.<br><br>Using schedule 40 copper would be better for the high power leds you can get now; heat is totally their enemy. I would use thicker stuff so it could be threaded as well, I do not want to rely on thermal epoxy.<br><br>For a bit more surface area [heat sinks are rated by this, not just mass] I would solder up some fins radiating out around the housing, so air flow past will radically help remove the heat.<br><br>Lenses and or reflectors may be good too; 10 watt led's cannot be looked at directly without being blinded. DOT approved or not if a cop is blinded driving by you he's gonna nail you for it. Still- its absolutely time we start using LED's and getting over the learning curves. My porch light is 49 1/3 watt [they call em half watt but 3v @ 100ma ain't a half watt] straw hat led's in series on a 2oz copper dual sided board; 16 watts, it fluoresces the neighbor's license plates 2 houses up as it makes it easy to see the deck out front. its 16 watts max.
The 2010 Toyota Prius (among other cars) is available with LED headlamps. The lenses shown in my Instructable are not DOT approved however.<br><br>The shown lights exhibit very little output droop with time (heating) in still air indicating adequate heatsinking. Past lights built for bicycle use with 3 LEDs in a star show significant (~10-15%) output droop when in still air.
Actually, LED's are approved for headlights now. Harley Davidson sells an LED headlight now. http://tinyurl.com/4foyxlf<br>However, I doubt if there is any way on earth that this instructables' headlights would ever be considered DOT approved.
These look great. Is it possible to get a properly legal high and low beam? Even if that isn't possible, they'd make terrific driving lights.
Right now the limitation is lack of availability of optics for proper projection and cut-off.
FYI, Harley has real LED headlamps and auxiliary lights.<br>http://www.harley-davidson.com/gma/gma_product.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524448775792&amp;FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302514675&amp;ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302514675&amp;bmUID=1316442738300&amp;bmLocale=en_US<br>

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