Ultra Portable Ipod Speakers

 by ben_k
This is how to build a tiny pair of speakers that simply clips onto your ipod/mp3 player, and are surprisingly loud.
Word of caution: If I were you, i would not use these with mp3 players that use hard disk drives (as opposed to flash memory, like many newer ones) because there is a chance that the magnets in the speakers could mess up the data on the disk, and brick your player.

So i built this, not knowing how well it would work, and when I finished, I realized that I should have taken photos so I could make an instructable about it. So I have whipped out my trusty tablet, and recreated all the steps by drawing them out in painter 6. If anything is confusing, please tell me so i can clarify.
 
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iApple guy says: Aug 26, 2012. 10:59 PM
Use a lm386 amp
dhananjay89 says: Jul 8, 2011. 12:06 PM
i also made speaker of same size but they hav built in amplifier and battery .you cant get a loud sound by simply connecting to the output which is meant for earphones
tinmankingkinney says: Jun 2, 2011. 2:23 PM
just a tiny complaint about the wiring* dual channel audio sounds better....and if you are reading this instructable you probably should have an idea of what you are doing already, but if you don't then here:
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ben_k (author) in reply to tinmankingkinneyJun 2, 2011. 2:46 PM
I rewired it in the updated version. However, since the speakers are right next to each other, there is no benefit to having stereo sound anyway.
didgitalpunk says: Nov 10, 2010. 11:25 AM
i guess ading two diodes on each wire could solve that problem.
its2l8men says: Oct 10, 2010. 12:21 AM
you could destroy your mp3 players with dis
its2l8men says: Oct 10, 2010. 12:18 AM
you ruined the aluminum!
xana says: Dec 7, 2009. 8:59 PM
i like the silver finish.
PKM says: Mar 15, 2009. 6:57 AM
If I remember correctly you aren't meant to join the left and right channels together, because then you are driving an output with an output- if the left channel is high and the right channel is low, current will flow from left to right, bypassing your speaker and possibly damaging your mp3 player.
ben_k (author) in reply to PKMMar 15, 2009. 7:45 AM
If you join the left and right channels, you are connecting two positive leads. Current will not flow between the two positive connections. If you connected a right or left channel directly to a ground wire then it would bypass the speaker and create a short circut, but it will not when you connect the two positives. As an examle, try connecting two batteries together, positive to positive and negative to negative. The battery does not heat up and explode, because no short circut is created.
PKM in reply to ben_kMar 15, 2009. 11:13 AM
That is true as long as the two channels are outputting the same signal. However, if you listen to something with very different signals coming from the two channels (the intro to Pink Floyd's The Wall, for instance, or almost anything by Lost Prophets) then at some point the left channel will be positive and the right channel negative (or ground), and current will then flow from one to the other, which isn't meant to happen.

Decent audio equipment may have protection against this, but all I was told during my digital electronics classes was "don't connect outputs together, if they output different voltages then current will flow between them", hence the existence of tri-state logic.
ben_k (author) in reply to PKMMay 3, 2009. 12:57 PM
In Make: Volume 2, there is a project called "Surroundsound, Quick and Dirty." In the project, you connect the positive left channel and the positive right channel to the driver. Would that not also fry the amp?
PyroJay in reply to ben_kJul 23, 2009. 1:54 PM
Thats what the transistor is for
ben_k (author) in reply to PKMMar 15, 2009. 2:23 PM
Hmm. I haven't ha any issues so far. I'll do some more testing with my crappy old stereo...
CMKJubilee says: Jul 13, 2009. 2:14 PM
Past Masters. Sweet.
chrisayad says: Jun 4, 2009. 2:03 PM
step 4 pics hahahahaah
arduinoe says: Apr 17, 2009. 4:09 PM
with no amplifier , your gona be toasting your poor ipod , those little speakers are very demanding on the power front (about 60 - 100 ma !!!!!) and designed to be used with an albeit small amplifier , your ipod is gona be a deadpod soon :( . the LM386 chip is almost a complete stereo amp on a chip and should be great for this project. plz dont kill your ipod , its a touch to.
Jaosn-c in reply to arduinoeMay 3, 2009. 12:03 PM
Yes i think technochicken is right they will on draw as much power as they need and shouldn't do any harm to your ipod..(and power is measured in Watts not Amps)..lol
ben_k (author) in reply to arduinoeApr 17, 2009. 7:24 PM
I'm pretty sure the speakers will only draw as much power as is available to them. My friend has some huge headphones that play almost as loud as this, and it doesn't fry his iPod. And I've been using things like this on my iPod for ages, and it's still going strong.
arduinoe in reply to ben_kMay 30, 2009. 2:33 PM
im no talking about bangin tunes power , im talking about the ma being pulled by the speakers.

(amps ( or ma) x V = watts)

so lets say your ipod battery is 3.7 V (it would be as it is a single cell lipo battery)
100ma = 0.1 A

3.7 x 0.1 = 0.37

lets say 0.4 W
a set of ear phones are about 0.05 W

thats 8 times the power of a set of earphones.

As for speakers only pulling as much power as is available , its sorta the other way round , there is no limiting on the ipod. it would be nion impossible to implement limiting , without the ipod knowing what sound output device it was connected to , earphones only pull 0.05 W , so no limiting is needed , headphones however , given half a chance will pull into the amps , thats why if you crack open a set of headphones you will find a resistor somewhere in the circuit , they are normally buried somewhere in the jack.

if you need any help pm me : )
ben_k (author) in reply to arduinoeMay 30, 2009. 6:30 PM
And how does that result in a fried iPod...? And most headphones don't have a resistor in them. Take one apart for yourself and see.
arduinoe in reply to ben_kMay 31, 2009. 1:58 PM
It results in a fried ipod because the transistors amplifying the sound signal are having way more power pulled through them than they are designed for , this results in thermal run away and eventually a fried ipod sound card. As for the hedphones , all headphones of a moderate size will have a resistor (and possibly a choke) somewhere in the circuit. referring to my earlier post . lets say your ipod can safely output 0.05 W A pair of headphones only needs 0.05 W and will work happily on 0.05W . But if it is not limited , it will pull as much power as it possibly can leading to dead transistors. I would recommend putting a 20 O resistorsomewhere in the circit , or adding a small amp . It will be a lot louder with the amp.
riverreaper in reply to arduinoeDec 14, 2009. 11:56 AM
just A amp i run 2 amps with my mixer
riverreaper in reply to riverreaperDec 14, 2009. 11:59 AM
i forgot what the subject was lol
riverreaper in reply to arduinoeDec 13, 2009. 8:59 PM
i need lesson in how to sound smart as others just miss my piont an heckal my spelling , how many watts will it take my amprage to learn to spell soundly ? i hope in that .05 range as i thought the coffee can speaker was full of coffee an now ive nothing to drink .
xana in reply to arduinoeDec 7, 2009. 8:57 PM
i am a dj and a circuitmonky my studio monitors do not have a resister in them theas are a good pair that cost me $300 yet they do not have a resister. so to be a good pair i gess they do not need a resister.  on another note go open sorce ipods are overrated.
riverreaper in reply to xanaDec 13, 2009. 9:08 PM
monitors are for viewing not lissening so even if yours did why would it matter? the sound travles a difert path an i wonder about theses who say mine dont have a resister as to weather or not they realy know what one looks like ,  oh darn i wasnt going to go on an atack mod guess im no better or worse for the wear , ok im back at figuaring out how to get the cats scatch pad hooked into my TOTAL CONTROL so he/she ca dj with me been cool all peace out
xana in reply to riverreaperDec 14, 2009. 10:37 AM
studio monitors are headphones not computer monitors aw well.
riverreaper in reply to xanaDec 14, 2009. 11:53 AM
yea i knopw i was playing on ya , an i bet theres a resistor if not in your headset but in the device your pluging into , he was trying to help yall out an keep you from destroying your stuff but hey just cause it dont smoke right off the bat doesnt mean it wont latter oh well , live an learn an buy newer stuff when yalstuff fry out it keeps the eco going
xana in reply to riverreaperDec 14, 2009. 12:10 PM
yeah that's true as best to my knowledge there should be one.   whats your opinion on i pods i prefer open source so that i can play around with it. 
xana in reply to xanaDec 14, 2009. 10:41 AM
oh and i trying to get arduinoeto answer me he seems to know alot.   and i am a newbie dj and not in to the lingo.
arduinoe in reply to xanaDec 16, 2009. 11:34 AM
why thank you :). Im only 14 by the way :). This isn't really DJ lingo but useful anyway. i agree with you, open source is the way forward (i type this on xubuntu :)). As you probably know  aresistor just makes it harder for electricity to get through in simple terms, a coil of wire (like the electromagnets in all speakers and earphones) every bit or wire long or short will heave a resistance, how easily it lets electricty through, earphones only need to move a tiny tiny tiny bit to get sound at close range so they have very very long coils of wire which have a high resistance of their own, this high resistance stops it having too much electricity pulled through them, and acts just like a resistor.

Now i have a friends who is a complete audiophile, he has some extremely expensive earphones which are all cast acrylic, you can see right through them.  On the protion of the lead where it splits into 2 to go to the L and R earbuds, there is a clearly labelled SMD diode and 2 resistors on a tiny little pcb.I found some 1 quid earphones in the pound shop , bought them and just out of sheer curiosity ripped them apart, no internal resistor anywhere ? So i put a multi meter on the leads and i was a massive 0 ohms , compared with 25 oms to my half decent earphones. I dont know this for sure but i would guess that this sit eh cause of their crappy quality and cheapness. so whack a multimeter on the terminals of the little speaker if you can and then again on the 3.5 mm jack to see if it does have an internal resistor or not, i know for a fact my half decent earphones do have a internal resistor ( that r the wire going to them has a resistance of 60 something ohms :P). Wouldnt say a resistor is the sign of quality, but aslong as its high enouhg to stop the ipods mosfets going into thermal runaway then it this should be ok. ill explain the parts with te speakers in a minute, my fingers hurt.
arduinoe in reply to arduinoeDec 16, 2009. 11:44 AM
about the speakers ...

Speakers are designed to be a lot louder and move a lot more, therefore they will have thicker wire for their electromagnets and less of it , I have just measured a speaker similar to the one techno chicken sued at 4.5 ohms, no where enar as much resistance as a pair of earphones this will allow a lot lot lot more electricity (specifically milliamps) though eh speakers and through eh sound cards mosfets they might be ok now but i assure you those little pin head sized dots of silicon that are the mosfets for the sound amp are getting very very hot and slowly dying. I produce speed controllers for combat robots so i know a fair bit about how mosfets tick, and i tell you thaqt they can stand quite a bit of abuse until one day, they just die, you could run them over there limit for hours and they will eb fine , but suddenly with no warning they die and that's a new ipod motherboard at least. completely disregarding all of this, they will sound awfull, bass will be non existant and it will always sound tinny however much you fiddle with the EQ. And i hate ipods and everything about mac, and all my friends are mac fan boys, i feel your pain xana. so yeh , need any helpz repy and ill give you my email or msn or something.
xana in reply to arduinoeDec 16, 2009. 3:09 PM
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arduinoe in reply to xanaDec 18, 2009. 7:02 AM
Ive sent you a friend request for msn on that hot mail :). Also sent you an email in case you dont use msn much
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