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after making a usbtiny isp programmer and using it for 6 months, i was looking at making another one for carrying around. i like the simplicy of the usbtiny isp design but would like to make it even smaller and take less parts. one thing in the original design that i want to change is to eliminate the use of clock crystal. one solution i found is that v-usb drivers supports the 16.5Mhz internal oscillator on attiny25/45/85 devices. so i start out this project to have usbtiny isp employs v-usb for usb communication. the immediate benefits is that it saves space and have less component counts (no more crystals).


usbtiny

description from http://www.xs4all.nl/~dicks/avr/usbtiny/

USBtiny is a software implementation of the USB low-speed protocol for the Atmel ATtiny microcontrollers. Of course, it will also work on the ATmega series. The software is written for an AVR clocked at 12 MHz. At this frequency, each bit on the USB bus takes 8 clock cycles, and with a lot of trickery, it is possible to decode and encode the USB waveforms by software. The USB driver needs approximately 1250 to 1350 bytes of flash space (excluding the optional identification strings), depending on the configuration and compiler version, and 46 bytes RAM (excluding stack space). The C interface consists of 3 to 5 functions, depending on the configuration.


vusb

description from http://www.obdev.at/products/vusb/

V-USB is a software-only implementation of a low-speed USB device for Atmel's AVR microcontrollers, making it possible to build USB hardware with almost any AVR microcontroller, not requiring any additional chip.

video on construction and usage


 
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Hello all,

Just finished assembling a USBtinyISP. As always I have double check my soldering and component placement. However when I connect the USB plug to my computer

I get a Power surge window. Reads as follows

Power Surge on Hub USB Port. device has exceeded the power limits.

This a large computer I am sure the little programmer does not exceed the limits.

Any hints ? Seen this before?

Badetise made it!2 months ago

works great every time!

IMG_20150608_214024.jpgScreenshot from 2015-06-08 21:42:36.png

Hello Badetise,

Can you explain how could you make it work through the "avrdude: Error: Could not find USBtiny device (0x1781/0xc9f)"?

Same problem here :(

RicsiN DerwentR1 month ago

finally, i made it,
you have to set the fuses of the microcontroller(it works like flashing a program):

remove the div by 8 on the clock

set brown-out detection

disable external reset, so you can use pin1 as i/o

http://www.engbedded.com/fusecalc/, here you can calculate it for a bunch of mc-s, but i tell you the cmd command that did it for me (found it on a forum, but don't remember where):

i used an arduino as an isp -> -c avrisp, but change it according to your choice of progammer

avrdude -c avrisp -p t48 -v -U lfuse:w:0xe1:m -U hfuse:w:0x5d:m -U efuse:w:0xff:m

these settings(except the reset disable) helped me for other projects with atmega48 - i do not need reset disable with this chip because it has more pins, but in case of the tiny it is neccessary.

Have you succeded?

DerwentR RicsiN1 month ago

Trying to run this command:

avrdude -c avrisp -p t85 -P COM3 -v -U lfuse:w:0x62:m -U hfuse:w:0x5f:m -U efuse:w:0xff:m -U flash:w:vusbtiny.hex

results in avrdude: ser_open(): can't open device "\\.\COM3": Access is denied. My Uno is definitely on COM3 and my PC sometimes hangs when I try to use this command. Same thing happens if I try to use the arduino flag rather than the avrisp one.

Any ideas? Thanks

RicsiN DerwentR1 month ago

do you use linux?

DerwentR RicsiN1 month ago

Using Windows at the moment but I can boot into Linux on my laptop if that'll help.

RicsiN DerwentR1 month ago

Theeen, i think you use your programmer with something else on the computer, try restart the computer

i have never got this access denied message...

DerwentR RicsiN1 month ago

Ah OK thanks. I was at least on the right lines by changing the usbtiny part. I'll give it a go in the morning and get see how it goes, thanks. I'm trying to program it using an Arduino Uno as the ISP and an ATTiny85.

ANDREIS62 months ago

I built this but it doesnt work.I got the same error as Badetise.

I used 100 ohms instead of 68.They are the probem?

As pull-up i used a 1,8kohm resistor.Also i added a led with a 1,8kohm resistor between Vcc and CND.I also used a 47microfarad electrolitic cap.If anybody can help?

Thanks.

ANDREIS6 ANDREIS62 months ago

now my pc makes its bing sound and tells me it doesn't recognize it.

Badetise2 months ago

Hi, I just built this, but when I try to flash a program, it says "avrdude: Error: Could not find USBtiny device (0x1781/0xc9f)". I have double and quintuple checked all of my connections, I am completely stumped. Any help would be greatly appreciated, Thank you!

For more clear about how to load a hex file in microcontroller you can browse this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rHWzO7tqQc

pouic137 months ago

Hello,

I realized the programmer with an attiny45 and it's work very well.

But now i want to try with a tiny85 and I can not compile the source.

i recieve this errors and many others:

usbdrv/usbdrv.h:455:6: error: variable ‘usbDescriptorDevice’ must be const in order to be put into read-only section by means of ‘__attribute__((progmem))’
char usbDescriptorDevice[];

Do you have the same results or i don't have the goods ressources?

spiess3 years ago
This is really a great little project! I built it on a little stripe of of prototype board and arranged it in such a way that one end of the prototype stripe also serves as a usb plug.

Every thing worked perfectly on the first try - so big congratulations for presenting such a useful project and making things so simple and the instructions so precise!

Thanks!!!
vusbtiny.jpg
scotth2316 spiess11 months ago

that is awesome what you did turning the breadboard into a usb stick

CarlB1 made it!1 year ago

Great Tutorial, I've setup 2 of these on breadboard already, one t45 and one t85. This circuit is just too easy to replicate! I did initially have issues with requiring the use of 'sudo' with avrdude, but this simple rule for udev fixed that.

SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idProduct}=="0c9f",ATTRS{idVendor}=="1781", MODE="0660", GROUP="adm"

vusbtinys.jpg
skootles1 year ago

Built one of these and it works great! Do you know if there are any limitations? For example, Adafruit's USBtinyISP kit can't program any AVRs that have over 64k of flash like the Atmega1281/1280/2561/2560. I don't have any of those AVRs on hand to test.

Also, I built one and it takes about 2 minutes to burn the Arduino bootloader to an ATmega328. Do you know what could be done to speed that process up, at all?

dan30081 year ago

Wish there was a way of doing this without needing an avr programmer... Ah well, Teach me for looking for the easy way out

Just a thourght, do you know if its possible to get the ATtiny45/85 preprogrammed with vusbtiny?

simpleavr (author)  dan30081 year ago

Not from me. I have not do an AVR for more than one year. On MSP430 now. If you have friends that got a programmer, you can download the hex and have him flash one for you. Or try local avr forums. It might be wiser to get a programmer from ebay. They are about $3 shipped nowadays.

dzervas1 year ago
When I plug it in the USB i get in dmesg:

[257309.496223] usb 4-1.1: new full-speed USB device number 50 using ehci-pci
[257309.562747] usb 4-1.1: device descriptor read/64, error -32
[257309.732580] usb 4-1.1: device descriptor read/64, error -32
[257309.902371] usb 4-1.1: new full-speed USB device number 51 using ehci-pci
[257309.968926] usb 4-1.1: device descriptor read/64, error -32
[257310.138778] usb 4-1.1: device descriptor read/64, error -32
[257310.308634] usb 4-1.1: new full-speed USB device number 52 using ehci-pci
[257310.714804] usb 4-1.1: device not accepting address 52, error -32
[257313.126003] hub 4-1:1.0: connect-debounce failed, port 1 disabled

Any help appreciated...
simple probably vacuous question, what is SPI and why would I want to program it? Post a link if it's a fairly good explanation. Thanks in advance
simpleavr (author)  keverett4584291 year ago
There are a few ways to program an avr, SPI (serial peripheral interface) is the simplist way as it only require three signals, Clock, MOSI and MISO (master-in, slave-out and vice versa). SPI is easier to implement (most uses bit-bang style) and require fewer HW resources. See linked docutment from amtel for details.
http://www.atmel.ca/Images/doc0943.pdf
necko2 years ago
Need help on swapping PB3 and PB4.
Modified usbconfig.h as below and flash the attiny85.
#define USB_CFG_DMINUS_BIT 3
#define USB_CFG_DPLUS_BIT 4
I monitor reset line.
It stay high for a few seconds and then started pulsing.

I think I have to modified MCUR setting but do not know how.
Can you please help?
Thanks.
I use this udev rule for my actual USBTiny but even though the id is the same it makes me use sudo for the vusbtiny. Any ideas?

ssokolow2 years ago
Could you clarify where the "1k/2k resistors for io lines protection (optional)" go?

Also, what benefit does the  "optional 0.1uf capacitor" bring, and where does it fit in the circuit diagram? I'm feeling really fuzzy today and I'm having trouble working backwards from the photo of the breadboard.
simpleavr (author)  ssokolow2 years ago
io line resistors protects the device when u accidentally connect high-voltage input and output pins. most builds don't use them to make the project footprint smaller.
the 0.1uF capacitor is just a bypass cap to stablise power supply (like any other projects). if u have one, put it it.
there are many successful builds of this project. google vusbtiny and u can find other's experience / modification to make it work.
I haven't tried but I can imagine it might work nicely to solder SMD resistors between two adjacent perfboard holes for compact I/O line resistors (using a heat gun to keep both melted at once) similar to what spless did with all of his resistors in the photo he posted.

As for the I/O line resistors, I got that but I'm not sure where they're supposed to go in the circuit diagram. (That's also my second question about the bypass cap since, lately, I've been jet-lagged and my free time coincides with the time I'm too dozy to make sense of how the breadboard photo maps to the circuit diagram.)
etuardu2 years ago
Thank you for this guide, I succeeded in programming both an AtTiny45 and an Atmega328.
Note that in this last case I had to wire pin4 of J2 to the Atmega328's SCK (that is pin 19), not to the SCL (that was pin 28).
And I was on Windows7 64bit, if anyone cares.
icarus743 years ago
Great tutorial. I am porting this to a protoboard.

Can the 68Ohm resistors be replaced with any other values (47Ohm, 100Ohm...) and the 150K one be replaced by another value say 1K or 2.2K ?
Would avoid burning fossil-fuel to get only those 2 from the store. Rest, I have pretty-much everything.

Also for your USB printer cable hack, can you explain the header connections ? You only seem to have Vcc and D+ connected to the header, and GND, D- isn't clear from the pic, if they are on their own headers or just plain terminated (left floating).
simpleavr (author)  icarus743 years ago
here are my understanding...
. the 68ohms are current limited (to protect the pins), so u should make them as close to 68 as u can. 47ohm definitely works. sometimes even better than 68ohms if u have a long usb cable.
. the 1.5k is a pullup, so anything between 1k to 5k is fine.
. follow the schematic / diagram, there are only 6/7 parts in this, the schematic also make notes of the 4pin header position. if u are talking about the usb cable itself, they can be different colored wires inside, u sould use a multi-meter to sort out which is which. i.e. measure between the contacts on one end against the 4 exposed wires against a usb pin-out diagram.

good luck on your build.

_Ludo4 years ago
Did anybody test it under Win7? I got an error saying that the installation could not be done!?
icarus74 _Ludo3 years ago
As far as I can tell, reading various posts at the Objective-Development site (& forums), very few people seem to have had success in using V-USB under Windows 7. Apparently, some initial / early Win 7 (that too, possibly only on 32-bit mode), installation did work, but people do seem to have issues.

Here's one such thread: http://forums.obdev.at/search.php?fid[]=8&sid=ffe64be8b944f53757abea58c378899a
nis1233 years ago
It is sufficient if i just flash the given HEX file using SinaProg???
simpleavr (author)  nis1233 years ago
never used sinaprog before. if it can accept hex file and works for u in flashing avrs, yes, u can use it as my hex files are no different. u do need to toggle the fuse bit on your target device and u should find out how it's done w/ sinaprog.
8N13 years ago
The usbconfig.h says:
"Please note that D+ must also be connected to interrupt pin INT0!"

Can you tell me what you have done to avoid that?

Thanks for sharing!
simpleavr (author)  8N13 years ago
thanks for your interest.

the default D+ pin is INT0, but it can be changed, for attiny45/85 layout, i used portb.3, we can re-define USB_INTR_VECTOR to be the "pin change" interrupt. and any one of the 6 io pin level change will trigger the interrupt, which includes portb.3.

note that if u are also using some other higher priority interrupts this may fail.

inside usbconfig.h, toward the end of the file, u can see the various options.

#define USB_INTR_VECTOR SIG_PIN_CHANGE

//#define USB_INTR_VECTOR INT0_vect
//#define USB_INTR_VECTOR PCINT9_vect
putyn3 years ago
hey im trying to build a smd version of your tiny avr programmer (will post pictures as soon as i get it finished) and im waiting for the board to arrive anyway my question the programmer uses the 8mhz internal oscillator ?
so i can order this part ATtiny85V-10SU or this ATTINY85-20SH :) ?
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