When a Phillips is not a Phillips Plus So Much More!

When a Phillips is not a Phillips Plus So Much More!

When a Phillips is not a Phillips - Plus So Much More!

A Continuation of Screws and Drives



by Egon Pavlis, Biomedtronix Inc.


With overwhelming response to my preceding "ible" titled "When a Phillips is not a Phillips? - Cross-head, Cross-Point, Cruciform, Square Drive Screws and Drivers" and this logical expansion follows. Readers requested information on all - recessed screw drives including security, especially the tougher ones to find. Well, here they are.



This article contains a lot of information presented from company websites, catalogues and brochures and so 'may be biased' to highlight their drive qualities. There are some advantages and disadvantages of some drive types. This "ible" is not intended to present one drive superior over another as each has desirable qualities. Maybe it will be the definitive guide with your help it could get close.

If you disagree with any of the information or if I missed a related drive you know of, please let me know where I can validate the information. Miss-information, incorrect illustrations, screwed up usage of terms on the Internet and elsewhere is rampant and part of the problem created by so many drives.

Should you have relevant information, especially verifiable or with web links, clear pictures etc to add, correct or improve the project please email it to me so I can follow-up on it.


Please refer to the Step # when leaving comments or questions to that specific drive types. 


Use this project, enjoy it, share it, just do not claim it as your own or sell it. Some of the contents have been borrowed, copied, clipped, etc and may still be copyrighted by others.

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  • Notes about project layout
     
This "ible" is presented with one screw drive type per step. When possible there is a head icon pattern, a drive bit or tool picture, plus additional pictures and text to help clarify the type. The order of types presented is based somewhat on the shape; number of corners, points or drive surfaces; number of ways to engage the drive; etc and from least to most.

Icon patterns of each screw type are a view of the screw head, straight on. They can best be visualized if you imagine the screw head is used as a rubber stamp with a black inkpad. The screw head fingerprint result transferred onto white paper should resemble the icon. The drive of course is usually, but not always, an inverse of this. Occasionally gray is used in some icons to indicate detail at a different level, one that would also not touch the black in the print, but requires the detail highlighted.

A few types are grouped at the far end of the 'ible', these include Combo Drives, Security Key Drives and Gamer Drives.


 
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Step 1First a little background

First a little background

So, why all the confusion then?

Why all the damaged screw heads and drivers?

Why is this screw and driver thing so awkward?

Read on and be amazed while unraveling the mystery of screw drives and present some you may have never seen. Seems everyone with an idea tries to patent a new screw to get rich, many just do not make it.

Today screws are everywhere and many are more easily confused than ever before. This guide should help you through many kinds. Let's us cover some basics and a bit of history first.

So what is a screw?
A screw is really a shaft with at least one helical groove (thanks tallmanbaby for reminding us that with today's screw products a screw could have more than one groove) or thread formed on its surface. Its main uses are as a threaded fastener used to hold objects together, and as a simple machine used to translate torque into linear force. It can also be defined as an inclined plane wrapped around a shaft.

Every threaded fastener needs a way of turning it. This 'Screw' driver may be a wrench that fits a hex-head bolt or a nut, or it may have a shaped and recessed hole into which a driver can be inserted.

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Dec 31, 2011. 7:37 PMChicagogoat says:
This is the only place on the web I could find this screw head. I'm an HVAC/Boiler guy and I make regular trips to the junk yard to turn in copper and bronze valves, fittings, pump housings, etc.

Anyway, I keep all the leaky relief valves that I replace and strip them for thier brass housing. Some of them use tamper proof Torx or even Clutch G screws to secure the valve/spring assembly to the brass housing. But alot of them have these Torx 3-lobe screws that I've used larger Tri-wing bits to remove them but eventually the bit gets ruined and those aren't the easiest to come by either. Torx 3-lobe are impossible to come by and now I'm forced to just sawzall 'em off. Here's a couple pics.
DSCN5788.JPGDSCN5787.JPGDSCN5789.JPG
Nov 27, 2011. 11:51 PMimboox2 says:
I have a tool box of many shaped bits I have collected. Some I have modified and hardened. I have various types of screw extractors and pliers. It also contains a cordless Dremmel with the cutting disks as mentioned by some. I also have Super Glue and fast setting JB Weld in it. The latter gets so hard it can be machined. I have mixed some up, filled the offending screw head and stuck a bit in it and let it harden and then backed the screw out or filled the head and then cut a slot in the hardened JB Weld and used a straight blade.

It is not a large tool box. It is an old tackle box actually. All of the bits fit in a roll up canvas Skil bit assortment set I got many years ago...it came with 5 of each of many types of bits and drills in it. About 320 screw bits and drill bits in all. Now it has just the various types of screw bits, some extractors, and the drill bits are just a set of cobalt drill bits for screw drilling, the others are long gone giving their space to more screw bits. When it is rolled up it is about a foot long and about 3" in diameter.

It doesn't take much space to build up a kit. I used to hit specialty tool shops for equipment I worked on and trained techs to repair. I was in electronics, but bought tools to make tool sets for our field techs, if I saw some odd bits while out and about and they were not much in cost I'd pick them up for myself.
Sep 25, 2011. 9:19 AMjustaquickone says:
Came across one of these guys a little while ago, frustration led me to 'trimming' an olive fork to fit the screw head :)

Excellent 'ible by the way!
Jun 24, 2010. 9:27 AMorangewolf22 says:
does anyone know where i could buy a good tri-wing screwdriver for a fair price in the U.S?
Sep 25, 2011. 8:16 AMdb'alexander says:
It depends on the size of driver that you need, McMaster-Carr has bits and drivers of most sizes available. In fact they have more tools than you'll ever see in one place.
Jun 13, 2011. 10:45 PMWally_Z says:
You could go to autozone and get a security bit set for less than $20USD. It has most of the bits discussed in this 'ible.
Dec 12, 2010. 3:20 PMshadowdude77 says:
DealExtreme sells one for a dollar with free shipping: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.1887
Sep 3, 2011. 4:34 PMdarksidez4 says:
Problem with any of these security screws.... take a cutting disk and make a groove for a flat head screw driver.
Aug 23, 2011. 12:07 PMDeathsaurer says:
WONDERFULL !!!
Jun 13, 2011. 9:58 PMWally_Z says:
For almost any security bit, you can use the right size flathead screwdriver to open it.
Mar 25, 2010. 3:34 PMdrawkcab says:
Problem with these like others is you can jam a flathead between the square part and the center pin!
Feb 12, 2011. 12:49 AMdurgledoggy says:
Not with many of these designs, trust me, they test them very thoroughly for that. You just can't get the torque behind it that is needed.
All being said though, they are by no means as secure as an actual lock and key, but even those can be bypassed with picks ... and axes.
Mar 30, 2010. 10:24 AMDodgy says:
Something similar to this can be found on old (early 80's) Nintendo Game & Watches.
The long slot sides are parallel, and I guess the hemispherical dip in the middle is to help the screwdriver bit centre in the screw. I presumed they had automated machines installing the screws. I can take macro photos if needed.
Feb 2, 2011. 12:25 AMdurgledoggy says:
Would certainly be interesting to see. If you wouldn't mind.
Nov 30, 2010. 6:14 PMlazlot says:
Cutting a straight slot isn't always possible...eg. recessed screws. Here's a few tricks i've used in the past- 1/ Centre drill into head and use an 'ezy-out' (avail from most tool or bolt shops. This is a reverse tapered helical designed to 'bite' the hole and unscrew). 2/ Modify an old screwdriver, i.e. on a straight blade, cut a groove in the middle with a Dremel (also good for truing spoked wheels with the tyre off). I've also ground the point off a phillips bit, then cross-cut a recess in-between the outside edges to form 4 points. And ground 3 of the edges off an allen-key to form a rounded triangular drive. 3/ When all else fails, buy 'security pack 1 &2 driver bit sets from jaycar.com.au and use a Kinchrome 1/4 inch screwdriver handle. P.s. I always try to replace the screw (if-nec.) with a standard head type.
May 16, 2010. 1:34 PMNRGXTC says:
Mate,

great lexicon of screws :)
Apr 29, 2010. 2:09 PMsgk07072000 says:
Deck Mate is owned by Home Depot and they have changed manufacturers so they no longer use this bit.  The manufacturers website: http://www.deckmatescrews.com/  These can now be purchased at Lows under the Phillips II Plus label.
Mar 25, 2010. 3:51 PMwjcarpenter says:
If you ever need one of those triangle Happy Meal screwdrivers in a big hurry, you're not going to find one at your local hardware store.  Not to worry.  Just use a 6-side Torx of a nice size that fits snugly.  Two of the six points of the Torx driver will touch each side of the triangular screw cutout.  (Yeah, yeah, experience....)
Apr 1, 2010. 10:03 AMDodgy says:
Is Resex a spelling mistake?
Mar 30, 2010. 11:30 AMDodgy says:
Often used in Compaq computers
Mar 31, 2010. 8:53 AMwurft says:
What i always do to remove nasty unique screws:

weld a piece of metal on it so i can just unscrew it.

Bzzzz, and screw

=D
Apr 1, 2010. 2:02 AMDodgy says:
Haha.
Not suitable if the
* screw is screwed into plastic
* screw is screwed into wood
* screw head is 3mm wide
* equipment has to put back together, with the same screws, and no evidence is to be left, that it has been opened
* deeply recessed (no access)
Mar 31, 2010. 8:57 AMwurft says:
This is a way to remove ANY screw:

just weld a piece of metal on it and unscrew it =P

Tell me if this won't work on a screw, i would love to try it myself!


~hope this helps someone
Mar 27, 2010. 6:51 AMtorqueman2002 says:
Posted a link to this useful article in the Garage Hangout forum.
Thanks, Torqueman2002
Mar 30, 2010. 11:09 AMDodgy says:
I've never seen such a screw!
Only joking!
Spelling corrections: brake should be break, screww, Phillipsýer

Which major car mfg refused to use these screws?

So how DO they actually make the head in the screw?
I know they can mould the metal around a former of the shape of the screwdriver, but that's unlikely, as it will possibly result in a weak screw head.
Mar 30, 2010. 10:56 AMDodgy says:
Step 32: Same as those used by the Phillips traffic light controllers. But using an isoceles triangle, recessed. Not equilateral triangle, as shown. Equilateral types are available, and used similarly. Not as screws, but as latches. Requiring a quarter turn (typically), on electrical control boxes & similar.
Mar 30, 2010. 10:50 AMDodgy says:
How confusing! 4 sizes are all called "A" !!
Also, the picture of the bit appears to be a Hex/Allen! Hard to tell.
Mar 30, 2010. 10:42 AMDodgy says:
You could say that about MANY MANY of the above screw kinds!
This can be undone with just the right sized triangular screwdriver.
Mar 30, 2010. 10:32 AMDodgy says:
These are used in non-sheet metal applications too. I have seen them on a Kambrook 3-way powerboard & Sunbeam electric frypan controller. AFAIR, they weren't reverse thread.
BTW: great instructable!!
Mar 30, 2010. 10:17 AMDodgy says:
There is also a version of this/version of 'regular slot' as shown in the attached image. I couldn't find it amongst your other images. It can be undone/done up with a snake eyes bit, but not the perfect match.
tamperproof slot.bmp
Mar 30, 2010. 10:08 AMDodgy says:
OK, this isn't a perfect image, but it's close, I think. Perhaps someone can do better.
one way slot head screw.bmp
Mar 30, 2010. 9:53 AMDodgy says:
Some versions of these screw heads have a flat spot on the perimeter. This is presumably so a special tool can easily grip this, for removal. Defeats the purpose, I say! To undo it, you'd just need a ViceGrips with a round bit ground into one of the jaws.
Also, your B&W image isn't quite right. The white bits indicate where no metal is. But this screw head doesn't have 2 semicircular areas. It has 2 ramps and should (IMO) be indicated by gray bits. But you say gray bits are where special attention is needed, not necessarily intermediate height bits. I'll make an image...
Mar 29, 2010. 6:19 PMMr. Thrak says:
 I think this instructable is great, but needs some cleaning up to do. 
For example, in step 56, the step title should be "Recex" not "Resex"
Oops!
One re-read would do the trick here.
Mar 27, 2010. 4:00 PMstatic says:
Information most of us rarely may need, but it's nice to have it available, if we need it. Clearly a lot of effort went into this, good job, and thanks.
Mar 17, 2010. 5:55 AMcrapflinger says:
Robertson FTW...i love those things. they're rellative obscurity means that unless someone happens to be carrying around a toolbag with them they'd have to go back home to unscrew them. i've never seen one strip, ever. so easy to use
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