Paintball guide for beginners.

hi, ive noticed that we have a lot of paintballers around here, along with people wanting to get into paintball, so i have made this instructable. this instructable revolves around the Tippmann 98 custom. the 98 custom (98 for short) is one of the most common paintball guns. This gun is the gun that most rental fields use because it is cheap, durable, easy to fix, and extremely good for the price. Some people have even run 98s over with pickup trucks (although i dont suggest trying it).


ive included a series of videos for the hard-of-reading (aka lazy people like me).. but for those who like to read, dont worry, ill be writing everything down too.


BTW if you have ANY QUESTION AT ALL just ask, i will answer to the best of my ability

Step 1: The Basics: part 1 the basic gun and safety

this is a paintball gun, set at 300 feet per second. 300 feet per second (FPS) is the normal for paintball. 300 fps will not hurt the person it hits, but it will still travel accurately and a fair distance.

if you rent a 98, it will usually not come with a stock, the barrel shown, the sight, the double trigger, or the remote line attachment

in the second picture is a barrel condom. the barrel condom goes over your barrel, just like a sock over your foot, to stop paintballs from hitting anyone when you accidently fire. most fields require that you own a barrel condom and require that you use one when not on the field.

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Comments

[laserdude]

where did you score a paint ball gun?

[ToddisI]

guess it depends where you live... some countries i think their illegal. in the US you can 98s at most walmarts... i would recomend ANSgear.com though...

[junits15]

go to a local shop, don't buy off the internet unless your buying something simple like a hopper or something.

[Da Person who plays paintball.]

Correction, only buy stuff off of the Internet on trusted (and highly used, with few problems) sites. I bought my first setup on ANSGear (bad idea for me though, I'm Canadian, underestimated the shipping). The TechPB (www.techpb.com) BST is one of the safest on the web, if you get ripped off, well, read up on it there.

Although it is a good idea to support local shops...

[ToddisI]

o.. thanks for pointing that out... I dont have ANY shops less than an hour away from where I live... same thing with playing fields... it sucks.. lol

[Da Person who plays paintball.]

Why, and I say why, did you get a double trigger for a 98?

It's useless, the 98 has too stiff a trigger to warrant a double trigger. And I don't know why you bought a 14" barrel. Those are just money wasters.

It's not the best thing to show a new player who doesn't want to spend that much as they are trying it out. They will just be convinced they need to buy all that useless junk.

Everything else is decent.

[waterski4life1]

Why not a double trigger, he knows he won't be walking it, but it allows for more leverage with the middle finger instead of the top one. Also it has been proven that a 14" barrel is the most efficient barrel you can have, any longer and the pressure behind the paintball is too low and the paintball starts to slow down, any shorter and the velocity has to be turned up to get the same fps which means you are actually wasting more gas in the process, you say you play paintball, but that doesn't mean you know anything about how it really works. Next time get some facts straight before you go around dissing other peoples Instructables. Thank You

[Da Person who plays paintball.]

No, maybe you're right about the two-finger trigger, but the point is you don't need it.

Barrel length only has an effect on barrel length, nothing else, look up PunkWorks, ask them about it.

Again, my point is that he does not need that useless junk.

(and even if it effects efficiency, it would be miniscule, so there would be no reason to get it.)

[waterski4life1]

Well, I'll agree with you on the fact that beginners don't need these things. They don't need to spend money on this, but instead on paintballs and field fees.

But he never says to get a double trigger or a longer barrel, he simply shows them in the picture and puts a box saying what it is. Back to the barrel, it is not minuscule, have you ever put a 6 inch barrel on a gun, shot it for a while and then upgrade/switch to a longer barrel say 12 or 14 inches long? The gun will noticeably shoot faster. Which means you can turn your velocity down, this falls along the same lines as losing efficiency when using a cyclone, you can get 800 or so shots off before and now you can only get 600-700 out of your 20 oz. my friend probably only gets 500 shots out of a 20 oz. with his A5 with cyclone. Some people will say the cyclone doesn't change your gas usage that much but it does. I play with two people, same guns one with cyclone one without. Same velocity and the one with cyclone has to change his tank about 200 shots earlier than the other.

[Da Person who plays paintball.]

I see your point on the double trigger.

But, I need to see some physics on if a barrel is longer. Think about it. A longer barrel will have no effect whatsoever on velocity. All of the velocity changes happen at the bolt.The air hits the paintball. If it's overbored, the air will almost immediately go past the paintball. If it's underbored, the air will keep it going. But, but but but, once the paintball is hit by the air, the paintball will keep going the same speed, and only be slowed down by things such as air resistance, blah blah blah. Oh, you say the air will keep pushing the paintball in a longer barrel? No. If it's underbored (or paint to barrel matched), then the air will be slowed down by the original push.

Again, if you don't believe me, contact Punkworks.
The only part of the barrel that affects efficiency is the bore.
If you still don't believe me, get a few cases of paint. Then fill two tanks to the same level. Then do a test. I need proper evidence. And a video if you are going to do it. And use the same marker.

Also, if you use Co2... that means that if you take one barrel off, and put another on, and there is a change in temperature, your "theory" is flawed. You can't test efficiency with Co2.

[Chad-Nadir]

I'm told you can refill certain air-tanks from a compressor at home, does anyone know if that's possible?

[waterski4life1]

not possible, they will need at least 3000 psi or 4500 in some cases, home compressors only run around 135-200 psi Sorry :(

[teaaddict314]

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[Chad-Nadir]

Okay... But what's to stop me, say, attaching a truck-tyre valve to a scuba tank? This could then be refilled from a standard compressor and a female-attachment could be attached onto the gun. Might require a fair amount of rebuilding on the gun's end though...

[waterski4life1]

well, truck tire valve is a horrible idea, but the scuba part is, you are on the right track with that, because that is how it is done actually. you take either a 3000 psi or 4500 psi scuba tank and buy a 50 fitting for it, and you can actually will you tanks with it. Most fields work this way, unless they are huge and buy the compressors, the tank it how they do it. But no, the scuba tanks cannot be filled with a regular compressor, but hey a scuba tank only cost about $10 dollar to fill and it should fill the HPa tank about 15-20 times, instead of $2-$3 for one HPa fill.

[stephin99]

dude a truck tire valve is rated for like 100 psi. a scuba and hpa tank requires at least 2,000 psi!!!!!!! it could blow up.... lol

[teaaddict314]

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[Da Person who plays paintball.]

You can also get the shoebox compressor.

(It takes a while though)

[cantrell8]

do you know how to oil a spyder xtra ?

[waterski4life1]

Yes oil the rear bolt, but dry firing really doesn't hurt the gun, but it doesn't help the oiling process either. Also take the knob in the back off, watch out there is a spring in there, and drop some oil in there, not too much and that will also get some oil into the trigger which is good.

[xXxMattThePossumxXx]

all blowback guns are essentially the same, what I'd do is oil the rear bolt around the cocking knob, and then drop a little oil into the (empty) feedneck, then just pull the cocking knob back and forth to move the oil around (DO NOT DRY FIRE THE GUN) and you should be good

[nampatzidis]

Hey i have a project salvo with a 11 inch barrel,red dot and lazer.
I want it to shoot more accurate!What should i do?Buying another barrel?Please help me!!!

[waterski4life1]

All of these will only slightly make your gun more accurate, but yes, the barrel is the single biggest thing you can do for accuracy, it isn't the length of the barrel so much but the quality, length mostly has to do with sounds signature and gas efficiency. My recommendation for a cheap upgrade would be the J&J Ceramic, only $30-35 and it really works. Don't listen to anyone try and tell you that it is going to break because it is ceramic, they don't know anything. The barrel is made with an aluminum core, which is then coated in ceramic and Teflon, being almost as rugged as any other barrel you will get, other than your stock one which is overly thick anyway.

[Da Person who plays paintball.]

I agree with Molybdenum, and anyways, to make it shoot more accurately, clean your barrel as often as possible, and buy better paint, that's all you can do.

[Molybdenum]

I hat to bring this up so late, but as cockerpunk once said:
"The ultimate truth in paintball is that the interaction between the gun and the player is far and away the largest factor in accuracy, consistency, and reliability."

[gl0rious]

i hate to sound lame, but i am trying to convince my parents to let me do 26 hrs of paintball next august. any suggestions?

[Nerfgenius]

I was just wondering, how long on average does a standard CO2 tank last?

[j4lmmfwcl]

they have to be re tested every 3 years but it you take care of it it will last forever

[xXxMattThePossumxXx]

i think it's 5 years

[cld0000]

It all depends on the pressure and volume rating of the tank, Other variables may add up as well (such as the barrel length and such), but this is the most common.

[bmr321]

i like your ps2 lol

[Paintball Gear]

Great guide! Good combination of using both text and visual aides

[junits15]

Nice job :) Probably the only good paintball instructable.

[zupyo22]

im new 2 paintball so what guns do i want 2 buy?????? please help

[mg0930mg]

What's your price range? Would you rather do airball, or woodsball?

[zupyo22]

is http://ultimatepaintball.com/New-09-Spyder-XTRA-Paintball-Gun/M/B0022190G0.htm a good gun for the $$$$

[mg0930mg]

Spyder is a pretty well known name, i'm not fond of them but the package itself doesn't look too bad. Make sure your field fills co2, the one by me only fills hpa, and therefore it would be useless. However, if your field does fill it, you're good to go. Also go to pbnation, and surf the bst threads. You may find a good deal on a slightly used hpa tank, which overall will work better, and can be used with any of your future guns. Bottom Line: Good deal.

[zupyo22]

thanks didnt catch that befor need to geet a hpa tank

[junits15]

I know this is like a year old but stay away from "the nation" just don't go there, go to techpb.com instead its better

[ngoandy789]

cool looks like the halo odst smg

[junits15]

no

[zupyo22]

get a life it is sad you know what they look like no offence

[prop master]

i just bought my 98 custom on ebay ffor $78 its only slightly used the seller has 99.6 positive feed back did i get a good deal?

[junits15]

yes and no, tippmanns are woodsball only, while you could have got a used GoG or a new Azodin for a similar price. Those guns are much lighter and they will work for speedball and woodsball.

[knex luver234]

98 custom pro, flatlined barrel, six point stock, electric hopper, scope offset, redot scope, remote hose, and nitro tank, oh yah, you can "score" a paintball gun at your local paintball shop, all that cost me 400 big ones brand new, almost every city has at least 1paintball shop, I lOVE PAINTBALL, definutly get involved

[davison112]

fastest way for me is to press the little button/switch by where the hopper feeds into the gun, make sure bolt is back, and run it through there

takes me 5 seconds flat

[enginerer]

go with tippman if you want a good easy fun time paint balling. ether that or you will be that guy that sits out after the first game cause your gun sucks.

[stephin99]

its a gun sock smart one and kids read this to dude

[mg0930mg]

Barrel Sock, condom, cover, call it what you want it's the same thing. Who cares, if you're under 13, you're not even supposed to be on this site. I'm sure you are taught in school, what a condom is, anyway.

[Someguy44]

As much as I hate the picture he has, led zeppie is right, and its spelt too, smart one.

[stephin99]

did you know that there are 3 oz refillable tanks :/

[nikd1]

i just started to get in to paintball and i was wondering what would be a good gun for beginners (like as a first gun) i heard tippmann 98c and smart parts ion were good but i need more help

[120012]

hey also depends on are you gona play speedball or woods ball. I play alot of woodsball so I bought a tippman a5 wth e-grip and a ak-74u body shroud along wth a folding stock. The mini would get you shootin bout 25-35 balls a sec. depending on the hopper and the electro board u have.

[cld0000]

It all depends on your preference. Some people like a specific one over the other. But I would say a good starter marker would be a 98 or a A-5(although heavier than most, but it's cosmetically modifiable with shrouds, which are all optional if you decide to go for the look).

[kmakahikm]

Agree with taz2020. The mini will run you about $299 which will put you in line for tournament ball as well as put some speed down if you're into woodsball. But along with the marker, you need a NO2 tank, a good hopper and some good goggles that will provide you with the field of vision you need. DON'T go skimpy on the goggles...you'll regret it. Your best bet if you can't afford right now is to save until you can get what you need. Trust me, if you can't be patient and buy something crappy, you'll spend more time off the field with a broken marker than on the field playing. SAVE your money and buy quality.

[taz2020]

http://dyeprecision.comHa you should just buy an invert mini theyre awsome guns unless your playing woodsball the best gun to get for that is probably the tippman 98 or x7.

[BOOM5601]

It depends on how much money your willing to spend, but I recommend a smart parts vibe, as it is cheap, R2000 (about $200), and because it works with co2 quite nicely.

[toolgal29]

this is a really stupid question, but doesn't paintballing hurt? u said that it doesn't hurt a person @ 300 fps. just wondering, cuz a friend of mine is on a team, and he has HUGE bruises from it.

[cld0000]

It hurts only if it's one or a combination of the three items:
1- high speed paintball (even at 260-270fps would have some effect)
2- range (if it's close enough,  most of the kinetic energy will land on the target)
3- personal pain threshold (this is different for everone, how much "pain" can a person take, bruises, welts or not)

[MadMechanicMike]

when your in the game and all pumped up (especially in speed ball) you dont really seem to feel the shot. at least for me. i play in t-shirt and shorts when its hot .

[teaaddict314]

well, it does hurt, but i mean hurt as in injure. i hear that 350 fps can make a paintball go through or start to damage your mask

[GreenDay]

I've heard that a mask is able to hold up to a .22 round from point blank, but I'm pretty sure you're right when you say that it will be damaged.

[carld2002]

That is definately not true.

[toolgal29]

wow ok. it sounds really fun tho!

[teaaddict314]

just wear a sweater, jeans, and if you want, a jock strap (ive hit 4 people in there "area" before...all of which started to cry)

[toolgal29]

sweater and jeans sound good, but i think i'll skip the jock strap, cuz im not a guy lol :)

[teaaddict314]

lol, ok. guess i shouldnt assume things anymore XD

[carld2002]

Paintball hurting really depends on you. Usually it's basically nothing but sometiems it stings for a bit. I play in shorts and a t-shirt and I am fine.

[firebird11692]

excuse me, this may sound really stupid but... WHAT THE HELL IS THE SCOPE FOR??? The hopper looks like it is directly in the line of sight of the scope(atleast from this point of view). Just wondering.

[cld0000]

The red dot scope (no or minute magnification), in reality for paintball doesn't do much, although it does give the user/shooter a general reference of where to aim.

[teaaddict314]

its not a scope, its a red dot site. there is 0 magnification, it just projects a laster onto a lense so that it gives me easy aiming. and my hopper is offset

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[pbpenguin5]

lol i agree and to shoot accurately in paintball you don't use any kind of a scope, you more or less have a feel for your gun and just know where they are supposed to go. your senses are better than anything your scope will say.

[teaaddict314]

uhhh, its a barrel condom, i dont call it a barrel condom for the word condom, i call it that because thats what its called. the red dot sight works for me... even with a mask the red dot sight is nice for close range. cleaning your gun everyday of play is overdoing it in my opinion the chrono screw label is in the right place.

[icepick244]

is actully called a "barrel condom" or is that just slang?

[cld0000]

That's just a "nickname" for it.

[teaaddict314]

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[icepick244]

heheheh ok

[HARMON_RACING]

you also forgot to mention Nitrogen and Propane as a propellant (and yes, the Tippmann C3 DOES use Propane)

[omegpirate]

Nitrogen is another name for hpa (because normal air is mostly nitrogen) and hpa tanks use anywhere from 3000 to 4500 psi so u would need pro equipment which costs thousands of dollars.  hpa is also recommended for guns with electronics because liquid co2 can get in the gun and do serious damage to the boards which cost almost as much if not more than the rest of the gun, some guns warranties can be voided if u run co2 through them. Also a fill on a hpa tank lasts nowhere near as long as a co2 fill. Everything has pros and cons.

[lock]

CO2 is cheap but unreliable like the guy said, dont know about HPA but one thing I do know about is compressed air. You can fill scuba tanks with an air compressor, then fill the Compressed air tanks with the scuba tanks. I dont think you need too much stuff for that. HPA could = Compressed air, I dont know. Compressed air is also free

[kidproquo]

I haven't really had any good experiences with anti-fog.  When I started paintball I was using some cheapie mask that came with my gun now I use a JT Proteus.  Never fogs, low profile, I love it.

[docjames]

Can anyone tell me is there any harm not setting the velocity screw?  I live in Taiwan and firearms are not allowed.  Air pistols using rubber balls are.  I purchased a Tiberius 8 last week mainly for self defense that I kept in the car.  I therefore would like to make the velocity as fast and strong as possible.  So far I haven't  touched the relieve valve screw.  I just like to know, if I increase the pressure on the velocity screw with the relieved valve tighten, will that be damaging to the gun?  and does anyone know how high the velocity screw can be turned in?   any response will be appreciated.

[jbriano2]

 wow i got the same harness as you and the same pods

[HARMON_RACING]

mouth guard? more like chin, nose and face protection. Mouth gurads go IN your mouth

[teaaddict314]

You started your sentence without a capital letter? Sentences start with capital letters.

[matt1795]

then y didn't you start your intro with a capital?

[Kiteman]

"then y didn't you start your intro with a capital?"

:-D

[HARMON_RACING]

HAHA ur funny i swear

[mg0930mg]

You spelled 'your' wrong....

[duct tape apprentice]

You spelled 'you're' wrong ;]

[CamWaite]

touche

[mg0930mg]

:P

[matt1795]

I'm a begginer at paintball, and I'd like you to know ur instructable sucks, i mean i didn't learn anything besides, that the trigger doesn't come with the gun, witch u said 4 to 5 times, and i've read most of your arguements with harmon racing, and he pwned you, i actually learned something.

[matt1795]

from harmon not u

[corny156]

and velocity limits change Feild to Feild at mine its275 because some markers might shoot a 250 then a 310

[corny156]

Knec lordcs on the tippman a5 there r 2push pins In the back on the marker 1 below the rear sight and the other below that connecting the handle stock and main body remove those 2pins and it will come right out and don't you have the mannual? Cuz that will help lots

[PKTraceur]

Sorry, possible double posting, but rifling works for bullets because they are shaped a different way. In theory, firearms are less efficient in the way they just give a slight off-centered force to deflect oncoming high speed air, because of which their traveling. Paintballs have a certain advantage, they can be back spun. Can firearm bullets be back spun? No, because of their shape! When a paintball is back spun, it gives a stronger, more definite deflection on the air it is traveling through. Longer barrels can help the expansion of MAINLY CO2!!!!! Notice, CO2!!!! If you have HPA, a barrel of 8-12 inches is perfect. Well, 12 inches might be stretching it. The reason you don't need an expansion chamber for HPA is because it has no effect. Maybe it will increase efficiency... slightly. The reason expansion chambers were made is FOR CO2, because the gas needs to heat up, to expand, to increase efficiency. There are no snipers. Sorry to be the buzzkill, but there isn't really any "class" in paintball. Besides the fact that paintball guns are pretty much the same, (Yes Angel, I JUST compared you to a 98 custom!) it all depends on where you like to play. I prefer in the beginning to be recessed, and what you might call "sniping" the other team. Then, I move up, similar to what you might call "assault." Hey, guess what! I Changed my class omg, that's amazing if there were classes! Anyways, go out more research this stuff! I've just read the comments, played <4 times, and I'm pretty sure I covered everthing. Really, please people, most will agree I'm right. If you do not think so, PM me or add a comment. Ill agree, point out somthing different, or give you the feeling you should'nt of left a comment...

[corey_caffeine]

i'll dispute that all guns are the same brass eagle is on a whole new level of suck

[teaaddict314]

who exactly are you trying to argue with?

[PKTraceur]

Not neccisarily anyone. I'm just pointing out what people say in the comments, and why.

[teaaddict314]

as for the there are no classes comment thats actually not true. Lets take speedball teams for example, they usually have a guy in the back with lets say 1200 shots on him to do heavy gunning, then they have a guy with 6 hundred in mid who is a bit faster. then they have the assault with 3-4 hundred who is very light and fast. They also have flankers, and sharpshooters...

[PKTraceur]

So, 4 Tippmann 98 customs are different? So, the guy in the back has a 98 custom, the guy that's fast and has 3-4 hundred balls of paint has a 98 custom, and they are different? Really? So, you're just saying they have different paint amounts? That defines a class? What class am I if I have 750 paintballs?

[disturbedreaper]

im a supresor on my team i stay back and keep heads down i put as many rounds as posible down rage as quik as posible and my friend moves fast to the middle of the feild and take more acurate flanking shots this is an example to show the use of the position its not so much a class as a purpose because im putting 20-30 rounds per second down field i need more amo see its more about your role and where you are then a class

[teaaddict314]

and not everyone has a 98 custom. I just used that in this instructable because there common, and they are used as rental guns in paintball fields so a lot of people know them.

[teaaddict314]

that and the flanker may have camouflage, and HPA and a q-loader

[teaaddict314]

guy in the back might have a high speed hopper, with a apex barrel, and a response trigger, along with a hell of a lot of paint and a scope and a tripod and a 20 oz tank of co2. guy in front might have a 10 inch barrel, a 12 oz tank of co2, a double trigger, and a remote line, and a few paintballs

[PKTraceur]

My point stands, So it matters what parts you have? So, I can be sniper-assault-heavy gunner, or sniper-heavygunner etc? Let's say everyone has the same gun, ok? So, one guy has a flatline, (sniper as you say,) one guy has a ceramic 10 inch barrel, (assault, you say,) and they go fight people with the same specs. They are the same friggen thing, just one guy has less efficiency. There are no classes!

[disturbedreaper]

not everyone has the same gun that i ithink is the confusion and there is no sniping in paintball it just dosnt work your just looking to put more rounds to where you think the other team is

[teaaddict314]

omg no, u said "So, 4 Tippmann 98 customs are different? So, the guy in the back has a 98 custom, the guy that's fast and has 3-4 hundred balls of paint has a 98 custom, and they are different? Really?" im saying that yes tippmanns are different and are generally differently customized depending on what position you play on your TEAM. a team is much more effective when people are assigned rolls (classes) and have the proper equipment for that roll (class). There are classes (positions, rolls what ever you want to call them) if you actually play half seriously and half decently.

[PKTraceur]

Thank you. You figured it out. I wanted somone to explain to all of those people who don't understand this. (Thank you Mr.Brown for teaching me this skill!) You're right. You have rolls, positions, skills, and classes assigned for the morale boost and coop of your team. This increases effectiveness a tenfold. Did everyone read ledzeppie's comment? You should'ave, because he's right!

[PKTraceur]

Hey, Zeppie, do you know where I could get a decent priced Tippmann 98 custom (maybe pro?) with ACT? for less than 120? And cheap parts, such as flatline barell, diff. trigger systems, stocks and bipods/tripods?

[Dirk.Steyn]

Go look on some paintball forums, they advertise secondhand markers there for really cheap.

[Dirk.Steyn]

O and also there are now snipers in paintball since Tiberius Arms brought out a sniper round. The round has rifling so you can use a rifled barrel and if you own a T9 marker you can just get a simple conversion kit for the magazine part, pretty awesome, go check it out at:

This is our forum in South Africa where we discussed this:
http://paintball.co.za/forum/showthread.php?t=9514&highlight=sniper+round

Here's a YouTube video where they popped a few of the sniper rounds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rsVXFL48Sk

Here's another forum showing a photo of the new round that Tiberius has brought out.
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=239743

[disturbedreaper]

cool but in a match hed get killed even in woodsball.

[Dr. Tarantula]

where can i get a 98 custom or a good gun for cheap

[Gamer917]

ebay

[Kapt.kool]

My gun is almost the exact same as that one. I have a car stock, a double trigger, a reddot, my barrel is longer though.

[Matt21497]

IM going paintballing saturday with my church. I was wondering how do you aim in paintball. I always thought you just didnt because of the hopper.

[teaaddict314]

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[Matt21497]

Oh ok thanks.

[a918bmxr]

remote lines are not recommended for speed ball because of the constant switching of right and left had shooting :-{)

[ploo402]

at the field near me the limit is 290

[teaaddict314]

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[mg0930mg]

My field in Jersey, is 280.

[mg0930mg]

I just went to a field yesterday, and they only had HPA, so did the last one,too. Is it odd? Should I buy an hpa tank, or pay the extra $5 to rent the HPA?

[knex lordcs]

i forgot how i put it on and i dont want to ruin my ausom gun its an a5 with apex barrel and stock, red dot, flashlight, and grenade launcher

[knex lordcs]

how do you take the stock off

[matrix43547]

lol the "barrel condom"

[abadfart]

i have a 24 oz CO2 taink on mine

[LaBeAsT418]

kinda random but i have the same barrel in 16 inches

[nosut]

Just a small thing. while yes you are correct in using a squigee while in the middle of the field and being shot at this is not a very good idea as it takes time and work to take your barrel off run it through and then put your barrel back on. I have seen many people get shot simply because to motion of all this caused their arm to be place outside of cover. If you are talking more realistically then if your on the field normally you would want to use a tiger tail as it is much faster and just as effective.

[teaaddict314]

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[nosut]

Again that is fine for you but: A. Your instructable is called "Paintball guide for beginners." Note the beginners part. This is not an instructable about you. So you might find it a little bit better to note the different methods since this is for someone who does not know them. B. That is fine that you expect people to use common sense but not everyone does but your paint does not follow your common sense and will break no matter what type of cover you are in. Since you made no note of it some people might not realize that just an elbow is enough of a target for people to shoot at. C. You need to keep in mind that I was in no way at all trying to insult your instructable and you need not get so defensive about it. I was simply trying to help and inform those that for beginners in paintball there are other methods that are more battle friendly. Because while it takes you an experienced player only 10 seconds to use a squigee it takes a rookie about 3 seconds to use a tiger tail. D. Finally I do apologize I could have phrased my first comment better then I had and I really did mean no offense to your instructable as overall it is very good.

[mmm_chewy]

there are also a lot of guns that have ACT systems to prevent breaks during a fight

[teaaddict314]

My gun has act, but act only stops ball chops when loading from the hopper into the gun. Balls can also break in the barrel or when there fired, often because they are too imperfect, too large for the barrel, or just a defective ball.

[mmm_chewy]

you never really talked about hoppers or triggers. What gives?

[ThePyroManiac]

Do you recommend buying a paintball pistol? I don't want to pay so much for rental of a paintball rifle/full length marker but at the same time I'd like to go and practise to pass some time when I'm at a mall. Is a paintball pistol recommended for use as a secondary weapon in a game? Also any recommendations for budget rifles for intermediate players?

[HARMON_RACING]

Dude you didnt even tell them what HPA stands for. High Pressur Air. and dont tell them to invest in a stabilizer, Bc HPA tanks are CHEAPER to fill than CO2. not to mention almost ANY FIELD WILL FILL HPA. But if your new to the sport and are currently using CO2 (and you just read what this guy wrote) than DO NOT BUY A STABILIZER!!!!!! Trust me, I've been playin for 20 years and i know my stuff. Simply go to ANY paintball website (or local store) and pick up a $50 HPA tank. It comes with a REGULATER (NOT "stabilizer") attached to the bottle ("Stilizer" is the same thing as a regulator, just more efficient).

[teaaddict314]

And you have not been playing paintball for 20 years, your profile says you are 18 years old. Nice try bud.

[HARMON_RACING]

haha how many people do you actually no that use their REAL age, if you really want to know... I'm 35 years old. My birthday is may 13, 1974. So yea i have been playing for 20 years

[teaaddict314]

Palmers stabilizer works. My friend has it, it's amazing. Some fields still don't fill HPA and most fields just charge a field fee that lets you fill CO2 or HPA unlimited times so it doesnt really cost less to refill hpa. But CO2 costs less to buy the tank in the first place, and I have not come across a HPA tank thats' 50 dollars that is worth buying. Usually they are just crap if they are 50 bucks.

[Spazticrhino]

 hate to break it to you dude but nearly every field in Texas that I have played on fills HPA for free

[teaaddict314]

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[stephin99]

all 3 in arkansas fill fill hpa for free

[HARMON_RACING]

AND you didnt tell them that the CO2 tank contains LIQUID CO2. So this means DO NOT shoot your gun while aiming at the ground!!!! Because all the liquid CO2 (even if you have a "satabilizer" or expasion chamber, and yes even a remote line) will run through your guns internal parts. which will cause wear and eventually ruin the gun. You also forgot to warn them that after you remove your CO2 tank, the O-ring will be FROZEN due to the temp. drop associated with the release of CO2. So after you remove your tank DO NOT TOUCH YOUR O-RING!!

[teaaddict314]

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[HARMON_RACING]

hmm.7.8 grams per cubic centimeter if i'm not mistaken. (unless you have an aluminum tank. then its 2.7 grams per cubic centimeter)

[HARMON_RACING]

if your going to mention oiling your gun, you should probably talk about CLEANING your gun too. In reality cleaning your gun is MORE important than oiling your gun. Lets face it what good does oiling your gun do if its filled with dirt and sh**. Oh. and may i suggest you you personally that you try oiling the connection rod that attaches the front bolt to the rear blowback hammer. I'm sure you know the rod i mean. just a few drops along its path on either half of the body will work

[punkhead58]

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[teaaddict314]

i can.... its just 1 hex key

[mg0930mg]

I just went paintballing saturday, actually. I used a tippmann 98. It was pretty fun, if i did it again, I'd wear more layers. Also, I'd suggest wearing, a baseball cap turned backwards, paintballs hitting the top and back of the head hurt. Nice job. 5/5

[comander01]

Only thing with a cap is that sometimes the paintball hits the little bead on top. zouch. Bandanna or a neck protector is a good idea too.

[mg0930mg]

Ahh, hasn't happened yet.

[mg0930mg]

I got a tippmann today. How much does it need to be oiled and stuff?

[VulcanGoF]

Constantly. I would suggest oiling them everytime you play. That is, if you want the best efficiancy out of it, IMO. You can get away without it, but then your action slows down, you go through more air, and start shopping balls.

[teaaddict314]

98C's have antichop technology which prevents chopping. But yea every time you play if you want the most efficiency out of your gun. But you can easily get away with not maintaining it well (tippmans are like tanks lol) Now if it was an angel i would be oiling and maintaining like hell

[Kush_Slayer]

so if i have .68 cal paintballs for my .68 cal paintball gun but they slide down the barrel easily with the barrel that comes with it what caliber is the right caliber then?

[Dirk.Steyn]

Thats correct, but if your planing to get yourself a paintball gun (called a marker, since guns kill and markers, well the mark people with paint) rather get yourself the A5 or the X7, the 98C, 98 custom is the first model that Tippmann (the company that manufacture there markers brought out.) Also go check out BT markers and Tiberius Arms. Just a few good brands.

[teaaddict314]

Go look up the freak barrel system, it will solve your problems.

[Kush_Slayer]

lol i just tried it again earlier today after paintballing and that one stuck, same paintballs, stupid low quality paint balls

[waverider894]

This guides pretty good for beginners, but I thought you overlooked the different kinds of markers, the different kinds of tanks, and the different kinds of hoppers/loaders

[teaaddict314]

you buy me those different kinds of markers, and i'll do a write up on them. Until then i'll do a write up on the most popular marker out there...

[VulcanGoF]

Decent write up you got here. I'll digress this really is "for beginners". If I hadn't been playing for 17 years myself, I might have learned something. LoL! Thanks for trying to keep the newbs informed. We need all the new players we can get. The more players, the cheaper things gets. Supply and demand and all that. Thanks!

[akinich]

what is the cheapest gun

[akinich]

i live in chennai that is in india that is in asia

[teaaddict314]

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[akinich]

yes I said that because some people don't know chennai in india ok sorry shees

[akinich]

where do you get these guns

[teaaddict314]

a paintball store... or walmart but those guns are horrible

[nemo4]

i love paint ball games on tv

[rollingstoner357]

i run air through my tippman and im the sniper on my team i have a 21 inch barrel with a 4in rifled adapter

[sman17]

Anything beyond something like 16 inches doesn;t really do much. Hoever, with the rifled adapter I guess it might, but I've neve rseen one in action. If you really wanted to be a sniper you'd get a longbow and put a q-hopper on it. Silent, accurate as hell, and can be shot at any position. I don't have one but I used someone elses at a filed I play at.

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[DEFDOM DELTA]

It doesn't matter what kind of weapon you have; its all in the way you implement that weapon. If you are more aggressive, and shoot tons of paint, you would be considered an assualt class. If you are more stealthy, and more precise with your shots, you would be considered a sniper. Its just in the way you choose to play the game.

[teaaddict314]

21 inch barrel is just wasting gas. anything over 14 inches is unnecessary and doesnt effect accuracy. also it wastes gas.

[GreenDay]

Actually, longer barrels generally improves gas efficiency (up until a certain point). The space in a longer barrel acts as an expansion chamber behind the ball that allows the 800 psi Co2 expand. And barrels over 14 inches aren't unnessary for woods ball, and other games where you need range. The rifled adapter (which adds four inches) would also help the accuracy significantly.

[carld2002]

No, they are right. It decreases gas efficiency. At the point you are talking about, air has allready been released so it would ahve no effect at all on efficiency. Past 8-10 inches, accuracy does not get better at all. Rifling does NOTHING in paintball. Also, there are NO sniper in paintball.

[GreenDay]

But the air has been released at higher pressure which pushes the ball out of the barrel. Rifling does the exact same to a paintball as it does with a real bullet. There are most definatly people who play as snipers in paintball and you'd have to be brain dead to argue against that.

[VulcanGoF]

I will agree with the "Paintball sniper" seeing as I am one. I've got a tippmann a-5 worked to the wall. 48" barrel (two 3 section barrels mated together for a 4 piece design, linear rifled {yes, grooved inside rifles} Including self made silencer) Lpr (low pressure regulator) kit, carbine stock, Fully modified cyclone feed (TechT lightening rod, Quick exhaust piston housing, squishy paddles, vortex ratchet), e-grip w/ape rampage power shot solenoid, psychoballistics 6" drop forward, shocktech superfly bolt. I've also got a full ghillie suit. Come on out to Pro action Paintball in Roxana Delaware, and ask the rest of the fellas if paintball snipers don't exist. They'll beg to differ with you on that one.

[carld2002]

No it doesn't, a paintball doesn't work like that, it is round and able to be moved in any direction unlike a bullet which can only spin two ways down the barrel. No, there are no snipers in paintball, just people who haven't realized it yet.

[cioeboy]

On your barrel length comment see this link
barrel efficiency

As for rifling, bullets and paintballs are two different things. Bullets are solid, but paintballs are filled with liquid. Rifling is ment to spin bullets, but this does not work well for paintballs. For an example go try to spin a hard boiled egg on a flat surface. It balances and spins pretty well, but if you spin an uncooked egg it will wobble and stop. This is because you are applying force to the outer shell without applying force to the liquid inside.

[VulcanGoF]

My brother works for and practically runs Tactical Paintball in Harding Texas. He's was the General Manager there, but got tired of not being able to play as much, so he dropped back down to field grunt. He swears by his Empire Twister barrel. So much, that he's got many of the players on the field using them. I prefer the CMI TrueFlight. This one has straight rifling. Because I agree, spinning a paintball is a bad idea. My barrel straightens out the spin. So it does fly straighter.

[AnarchistAsian]

yeah! that and alot of other things mean that paintballs don't do well with rifled barrels... just one question... if the barrel is rifled, then there would be contact with the rifling, and no contact with the rest of the barrel right? so would that mean it leaks gas between the ball and the barrel???????

[cioeboy]

That's correct.

[AnarchistAsian]

wow, they are a waste of money...
oh yeah, and i want to start paintballing, but don't know how to get started...
you seem more informed than most...
could you help?

[cioeboy]

I would actually suggest going to your local field (search on pbnation or pbreview for fields in your area) and renting some equipment for a day. It is a little pricey but you will be able to see if you enjoy playing before you spend more money on a gun of your own. Just remember any gun will put a ball down field when you pull the trigger. The latest uber agg paint slinger is not necessary for a beginning player (I don't think its necessary for any player, but thats a whole different argument that I don't want to start). Good luck and have fun.

[AnarchistAsian]

ok thanks, but how many different types of games are there??? i want to play long games, with high fps... 300 fps seems kind of boring...

[cioeboy]

If you want long games I would suggest woodsball. Most times I play Xball which is two minute games of 5v5 on a small field. There is no field in the country that will allow you to shoot over 300fps. 300 is definitely not boring. I've had some nice welts from 300fps at close range.

[AnarchistAsian]

oh... woodsball it is then... but are tipman 98's good for woodsball, or should i try for something else? also, what about paintball scenarios?

[mg0930mg]

Tippmann is a great gun for a beginner and woodsball imo. The flatlines help.

[VulcanGoF]

Flatline barrels put a back spin on the paintball. I would suggest an Apex barrel. If you're going to put any spin on a paintball, wouldn't you rather be able to cotrol the direction of that spin?

[mg0930mg]

I'll try an apex barrel, when I get the money.

[AnarchistAsian]

ok, i think i'll get one if i can... first i have to sell a bunch of useless crap i have laying around...

[mg0930mg]

Yeah, that's a good idea...

[AnarchistAsian]

I'm stuck on whether to use it for making coil guns, use it for an ipod touch, or for paintball, what do you think?

[mg0930mg]

ohhh....that is a hard one. I have an ipod touch and a paintball gun. I could never choose over one. Do you have another ipod?

[AnarchistAsian]

nope... WAIT WAIT WAIT option#2 let my dad pay for coil gun parts, get a custom 98, and get a shuffle... i might as well just listen to music...

[mg0930mg]

That is the best option! haha.

[AnarchistAsian]

that is my life plan... should last me a couple months...

[mg0930mg]

Did you get a gun?

[AnarchistAsian]

damn, no... still gots to sell some stuff...

[carld2002]

What do you want to know?

[AnarchistAsian]

uhh... it looks like most people on ibles have tippman 98's, so should i go with that?

[carld2002]

For an absolute beginner marker, they are great. You can do better however, by spending a bit more. Nevertheless, it would be a solid choice.

[AnarchistAsian]

ok thanks

[carld2002]

No it hasn't. Barrel length does not affect how much air has been pushed out. Rifling: NOOOOOOOOOO you are so wrong it's not funny. Bullets are a cylinder so they can only spin one way that's why rifling works. Paintballs are circular so they do not spin in one specific direction so rifling NOES NOT work. No, there is NO SUCH thing as snipers in paintball. Almost any educated player will tell you that.

[MadMechanicMike]

gas efficiency? the same amount of gas is used with each shot anyway. with these little beginner guns the barrels are usually too tight for the ball thus reducing velocity. also, 800 psi isnt whats comming out when you fire. there are regulators in the gun that reduce the pressure from the tank to around 180 psi. furthermore, ported barrels disprove your idea that the gas expands in the barrel improving velocity. most good barrels these days are ported.

[GreenDay]

The same amount of gas isn't used in each shot, you are actually able to use less with a longer barrel to achieve the same velocity. Most low end guns don't have regulators and run raw off the Co2 tank. A 16 inch barrel is going to have the exact same amount of porting as a 8 inch counter part (assuming that this is a one piece barrel), and therefore it will have an extra 8 inches of barrel that isn't ported for the gas to expand in.

[carld2002]

Like I said before, that is so incredibly wrong. A longer barrel will make it less efficient, not more.

[madhops0620]

the 98's dont have regulators

[freshnessninja]

i disagree entirely. i think that after 14 you have no place left to go. i've made a couple of thoes pnumatic bike pump paint guns. i know i know it's a little diffrent, but it's the same principal. with the longer barrels i've had problems with balls breaking. realizing fully that this could be flex in the pipe. just the same after i go past 2 feet there is nothing. most of your accuracy depends on other things anyways. look at a high qual angel, it doesn't matter what barrel you have (8in-14in) it shoots straight. same thing with autocockers. i have an old tipman prolite; 8 inch barrel and i hit what i point it at.

[GreenDay]

That is defiantly flex, or low quality material. Accuracy is almost entirely dependent on the barrel. Generally the lowest quality barrel you will ever have on your gun is the one that comes with it. In the case of an angel or autococker the stock barrels are high quality (except on newer autocockers aka trilogies). If you stuck a 98 custom barrel on an angel (which you can't for very good reason) the angel would have the accuracy of a 98 custom. It would shoot ropes, but it couldn't hit a damn thing.

[cioeboy]

"which you can't for very good reason" You mean because they are threaded differently? The number one factor of accuracy is good paint to bore match. If a 98 fits the paint you are using better than an infinity barrel (stock angel barrel) it will be more consistent and more accurate.

[carld2002]

That is so wrong. Yes, the barrel does matter but the number one factor is the paint.

[teaaddict314]

your paint is what effects accuracy most.

[GreenDay]

Bad paint + good barrel isn't as bad as good barrel + bad paint. The paint does have a lot to do with it, but the barrel is more important.

[carld2002]

Try that again but in reverse

[teaaddict314]

the most important thing is the paint to barrel match. other than that, as long as the barrel is polished on the inside, and between 7-14 inches.

[freshnessninja]

then wy does my prolite shoot strait? it's also a stock barrel, not to mention the one it came with. and even if you bought a fancy barrel for that same prior mentiond angel then it would be the same accuracy. i'm sorry but i still dissagree.

[GreenDay]

Because it's a good stock barrel. If you read what I had said entirely then you'd understand that some guns have good stock barrels. Your gun wouldn't shoot as straight if you put a tippmann stock barrel on it.

[freshnessninja]

prolite and good stock barrel is bad grammar, not to mention the prolite is a tipmann gun; you might want to invest some research. the prolite was the prequel to the 98 i was not a high quality gun and has since been replaced with both the 98 and the pro carbine. not to mention the gun (barrel included) came from a field that was previously renting it. accuracy is not in the barrel, there is no chance it's in the barrel, that is to say it is a little but not enough to go and invest 100 bucks in a barrel. that's not to say that all barrels are the same, far from it. i had a stingray as a first gun and it shot better without the barrel. my buddy josh invested in a flatline barrel and he could do things that were amazing, he now has a normal barrel and does the same thing with a spyder. i'm telling you, in my own experience the accuracy is not in the barrel.

[GreenDay]

Sorry, I mistook prolite for the Dye Ultralites. I have had two 98 customs in the past, one came with a good stock barrel, and one came with a crappy one. The gun that had the crappier barrel shot nicely once I put a 16 inch progresive on it. The gun with the decent barrel shot nicer with the progressive. I don't understand how you think the barrel doesn't affect the accuracy. I just did a bit of research and yes anything over 14 is overkill, but to say the barrel doesn't affect accuracy is just stupid.

[freshnessninja]

well then sir i am stupid. but you presume to much. you would tell me that i have not seen what i have seen. and THAT, is the greater crime.

[GreenDay]

I've gotten out of paintball resently, but trust me I have a lot of experience (5+ years) and I have seen the difference between barrels. For instance the difference with my impulse between the stock progressive and a dye ironman.

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[GreenDay]

Can you retype that with punctuation, capitals and probably paragraphs so I can read it? I tend to be dyslexic when it comes to big chunks of non-punctuated text.

[freshnessninja]

ahh i see. yes of course. Now you make even less sence then you did before. Why would I trust a faceless individual online (I say faceles because your picture could be anyones face, and there is no way of proving it, that I can think of) when I could just as easily trust my own eyes. No, I'm sorry I simply can not agree with you, to do so would be to tell myself my eyes can not be trusted.

[carld2002]

I don't think green day has said one correct thing so far. Paint and paint to barrel matching are the biggest factors by far.

[freshnessninja]

and you have just made the same mistake as him. it's true that ball to barrel match plays a role but you can't just pass that off to everything accuracy based on that; not even half, i would almost say not even a quarter. green day says almost all of the accuracy is in the barrel. i say it is not. we have both had experience in paintball. who is wrong. we have both (most likely for him at least) played in dry conditions wet conditions cold, hot. ect. so when it comes down to it the real answer lies in the conditions of our observations. it's true that in some cases all a marker needs is a good barrel. and i'm more then certain that the gun plays a role in all of this. not so much the model but literally the individual gun. not even real weapon smiths can turn out two identical shoots in the same spot weapon; well i should say that none of them do. but to try to standardize a cure for a multifaceted object is lunacy.

[GreenDay]

No I don't. I'm saying that the barrels plays a larger roll in accuracy than these people think, but they're all a bit too dense to realize it. BTW where I say accuracy is almost all dependant on the barrel I mean the accuracy of any given gun with different types of barrels.

[carld2002]

The barrel is not the most important part for accuracy. Maybe we're not the dense ones?

[PKTraceur]

Acutully. you are all right. Yes, paint to barrel match does count, yes, your barrel length counts, (to a limit...) but i do beleive that temperature counts greatly. Using the best wording possible, if you paint balls were very hot, (thus expanding them,) the paint to barrel match would not work out. Your paintballs would also be soft, (thin walled,) because of the heat expanding the paint and paintball walls, making tension. They wouuld explode onto anything that "could" break that tension. Now, if you barrel, or gun, was cold, the CO2 would not perform properly. The CO2 would contract, then hitting the hot paintball, would spin it at a strange angle, "turning" your shot. Adding another factor, your barrel has been drilled to "silence" your shot. The "Tornado" effect that spins your paintball would make your paintball "pop" in the "silenced" barrel.

[PKTraceur]

I am completely new to paintball, (i went to a paintball party once...) and i am basing this on, i beleive, physics. You would also have to account gravity.

[teaaddict314]

i would say its 50/50 paint to barrel match and consistency in the velocity.

[carld2002]

Velocity consistency only affects sustained accuracy. That is not what we are talking about.

[teaaddict314]

yes, but when it comes down to hitting the target its consistency and paint that make the biggest difference.

[carld2002]

Very true.

[carld2002]

Yes, they are the biggest factors. Like I said, they are not the only factors but they are the biggest by far. What is your point though? You don't seem to suggest anything really.

[freshnessninja]

well in my experience a good air system and bolt can overcome having no barrel. granted you lose a lot of force doing that because the ball isn't getting the compressed force from behind in the barrel. but thoes 2 things from my experience have been the best. in my experience the barrel has been the least contibuting factor in my accuracy. like i said i have a really old prolite that i got from a field. the prolite used to be rented out. stock barrel. i gave it a few test fires, it shot decent. i cleaned and oiled the gun got it pretty again and it now shoots bulls eyes. the barrel it has is the original stock barrel. that's just all there is to it. i had a pretty little spyder. it sucked, it shot okay i guess but it was a poor gun. i couldn't hit anything because it had poor velocity consistancy. the barrel on it was just a 9 inch. and i know for a fact of physics that a barrel could not have fixed it. i'm certain that you have had experiences that have told you that a good barrel will make the world go round. but honestly i'm sick of this ridiculous conversation.

[carld2002]

Well... you still need a barrel... The #1 thing is paint to barrel match. And your experiment is flawed since you almost definately did not change the paint between markers to ensure an accurate paint to barrel match. Obviously, if the paint does not fit with one barrel well but it does with another, your results will be messed up.

[freshnessninja]

i gaurantee you i did. why on earth would you say i didn't?

[carld2002]

So you switched paint with each barrel to ensure an optimal paint to barrel match?

[freshnessninja]

not so scientifically but yes. i tried several diffrent types of paint. usually 2 or 3 everytime i went out. for a total of 3 for my sting ray. 5 or 6 for my core shark and so far i've used 2 for my prolite (what can i say it shoots really good)

[teaaddict314]

as long as the barrel is polished on the inside, it will work fine! paintball guns are different from real guns!

[freshnessninja]

for the most part i agree. not in all cases but for the most part. a good fitting barrel helps a lot.

[rollingstoner357]

i have had quiet a few break

[liusaaaa1]

i like choclate

[nsupple]

all you need is techpb.com its a youtube channel, he has a ton of videos they are by far the best help just look around through the videos to start out look at the budget baller show

[Derin]

the tippmann 98 is also semiauto,that is useful when the tent infront of you is full with enemies and you have to take them out,and also if you run out of paintballs and the enemy is not "killed" yet,the gun makes firing sound even w/o paintballs

[tac135]

I play paintball w/my friends, i have an a-5 and one of my friends has a spyder sonix, he says that spyder's are better than tippmann's. I just want to get your point of veiw on this subject, i think tippmann's are better.

[teaaddict314]

for woodsball, tippmanns are much better. Tippmanns are way more durable. Although spyders can sometimes shoot faster, in woodsball you dont need the speed. Also tippmanns can be upgraded to shoot around 20 bps.

[tac135]

Yea, that is y i got a tippmann, cause most of the time me and my friends play in the woods in one of our backyards.

[xACIDITYx]

What's your stance on Rocking triggers?

[teaaddict314]

they can be pretty useful, but i dont really need one because im not into shooting ropes of paint

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[teaaddict314]

only real advantage to the x7 is looks. its more mod-able cosmetically but not performance wise. its also heavier than the 98... for the money u pay for it i would say it isnt worth it....stock performance is same as a A5 (but only because of the cyclone) but its heavier

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[teaaddict314]

a5 shoots up to 25 to 30 too with the upgraded trigger. also the power is the exact same... they are both set at 300 feet per second stock.

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[teaaddict314]

they have the same power, they both shoot at 300 fps. i know this because yes i have compared them side by side, i used a chrono to test the fps, and they were both at 300 fps, and they both had equal accuracy. only difference is the stock barrel. even the internals are almost the same. x7 is heavier. a5 and 98 are more upgradeable. X7 is all about looks. its pointless. btw, the tippmann speedball team uses 98 customs, not X7s.

[Zach Sanders]

well they may be heavy but they put fear in other people. i scare the crap out of most of the people i paintball with. because my X7 with its 8 inch barrel out ranges even sniper rifles!

[cioeboy]

Like ledzeppie said you are not shooting farther than other guns. If a paintball leaves your barrel at XXX fps it will travel a certain distance. That distance is the same no matter what gun you are using unless you have a barrel like the flatline or apex that induces backspin. Also your gun is not more accurate than others. The main factor of accuracy is a paint to barrel match. Maybe your barrel matches the paint you use well, but if you use different paint you will get different accuracy. That is why many people buy barrel kits with interchangeable bore sizes. Also the X7 and A5 use the same internal design, so one does not shoot faster than the other. Now before you say that I don't know what I am talking about know that I have been paintballing for several years and have probably worked on or built more guns than you have ever shot. PS The X7 is known to be less reliable and more problematic than the 98 or A5 since Tippmann began having them built in China with cheaper materials. And to the poster of this instructable, I applaud you in your efforts to bring more people to our sport, and yes the 98 is a good reliable starter gun, but it is a pain to work on if it does break down. The clam shell design and compressed springs inside lead to a lot of headaches. For almost equal reliability and easier maintinence I would suggest a Spyder (or one of its clones) or an older Automag if you can find one for a good price.

[Zach Sanders]

i own my own field so i have probably been in more wars than you have shot paintballs.

[carld2002]

Paintball is not war. It's people like you that are runnign this game into the ground

[puppetfunk]

You got told, so now you try to make yourself look much better than him. good argument. Why don't you do back to playing with your brother in the yard, and remember to play nice and maybe Mom will make you our favorite Mac' N' Cheese For dinner!

[Zach Sanders]

well I see you don’t make any input in the actual conversation but for the heck of it I just want to say that I have proved that the X7 has better velocity. I had our guns cronographed at maximum velocity and my gun beat the A5's be 50! also how long have you been playing paintball puppetfunk? im a vetran at the sport

[cioeboy]

Why would max velocity matter? I can stuff a stiff mainspring, a soft valvespring, and jack up the pressure in a blowback and be shooting at dangerous speeds, but it doesn't matter because no field allows velocities above 300fps, and all guns can do that.

[puppetfunk]

I don't actually play. I came to this instructable, learned a bit. read the comments, saw that you were getting all your arguments shot down like a clay disc at an NRA meeting, then noticed you ran out of arguments so you made a claim that clearly you know what your talking about because you tipped over a picnic table in the woods behind your house and call it a fort that you shoot trees at from behind.

[Zach Sanders]

first off I own a regulation paintball field and second if you haven’t actually played the sport I don’t see why your making an input in this conversation because its not helping the topic. seems like your the type of person that has no clue what the conversation is about but you want to make yourself seem smart by talking big

[cioeboy]

You shun him for not adding to the discussion, yet you avoid any questions and bring up irrelevant data to back up your baseless claims. I have been trying to be polite and correct some of your misconceptions, but now I think you should just shut up on this topic. You obviously do not know what your are talking about, and I seriously doubt you own anything resembling a paintball field. My guess is you are just a kid who's parents bought him his first paintball gun and now you are trying to defend it against any criticism.

[Zach Sanders]

what questions have you asked that I have avoided? none that I have seen

[crazytech24]

Hey Zach, what is the name of your "field" you own? Where is it located? I would love to give you some information from a friend at Tippman Pneumatics in regards to the differences between all their guns. Also, I'm not trying to disrespect you by any means but, you have not showed any factual information to support your comments. You have come across as an know-it-all noob to everyone that read your comments, and thank you for conveying to anyone that was interested in trying paintball for the first time that the sport contains immature people like yourself. Thank you for disrespecting my sport.

[cioeboy]

Well so far I have argued against every point you have made about accuracy, range, and the reliability of the X7. Then you countered with the argument about how you are more experienced, which even if it is true means absolutely nothing to the debate which was taking place. Then you said the X7 has "better velocity" than an A5, which also does not matter because no field allows your velocity to be set above 300fps. Now will you continue to spout useless information, or will you attempt to be constructive and possibly help new players that are reading this instructable to learn about paintball?

[Zach Sanders]

I also see you deleted your post that was saying how you had more experience than me...

[Zach Sanders]

you said you had more experience than me that is why i said what i did. when puppet face came in he maid no contribute to the conversation but just maid a comment about our conversation so i said for him to not talk unless he was going to contribute to the debate which he didnt do. besides you have not proved me wrong in any of our debates. and you seem to get mad every time i offer an alternitive to what you say. sounds like your a little stuck in your ways and dont like change. the X7 is the futur of paintball i could ask any of my friends or anyone who paintballs at my field and they all would agree. untill you have shot an X7 you will not understand

[cioeboy]

The only post I deleted was because of a grammatical error and that was seconds after I posted it. I re posted it with the error corrected. As for not proving you wrong on any arguments:
The experience debate means nothing and cannot be proved over the internet so I think we should drop that. Your comments about range can be proven wrong by anyone who has taken high school physics. Any two objects of the same shape and mass, if they are traveling at the same speed at the same angle, will travel the same distance unless another factor is added (such as spin, but because the stock barrel on the X7 is a smooth bore that is not relevant). Your velocity argument is unnecessary because no field allows you to shoot above 300fps and all guns can do that. Both the X7 and A5 use the same simple single tube blow back design (animation here) so neither has a significantly higher firing rate. As for accuracy, it is mostly paint to bore match (article here). And I have shot an X7 before, and I personally prefer an angel, autococker, or automag. While the X7 is a very customizable gun I seriously doubt it is the future of paintball. It may be the future of scenario and millsim paintball because of its out-of-box milsim style and the amount of upgrades available, but the 98 and kingmann MR series are right on its heels. Is that a satisfactory response?

[Zach Sanders]

I will agree with you on the angle. that gun is great I have several friends that have one. I suppose it depends on what a person is looking for. if you want a light gun thats fairly cheap go with the A5. but if you want a gun that is going to look intimidating but still have the same efficiency as the A5 I would go with the X7 the biggest downside is its weight. so I hope we can resolve this debate with this. and as for your question crazytech my field is called Dark Land and its in North Dakota. its a scenario field on 10 acres

[crazytech24]

Hey Zach. I just gave about 10 other field owners I know in the northwest area a call and NOONE has ever heard of "Dark Land" Paintball. Also I did some looking around on PBNAtion and PBReview and again, NOONE has ever heard of "Dark Land". Is this a little field you and your buddies made in your backyard or something? Or is it just bull?

[Zach Sanders]

its not surprising that they have never heard of it because its a county paintball field. we aren’t into commercial paintball its just a county scenario field. but in our aria people know where it is.

[crazytech24]

You just reiterated to me that this "field" is most likely just a plot of land, possibly your backyard or such. That is why noone has ever heard of it. Calling yourself a "field owner", i truly hope you aren't even of age and competence to open a field, let alone have the financial backing to do so. If you conduct your business as well as you do your arguments then I sincerely hope you plan on going to business school, along with finding a way to learn how to admit when someone truly knows more about a topic then yourself. Again, not to be of any disrespect but, instead of starting arguments by making insolent comments in regards to what is better (cut and dry with no exceptions and supporting evidence) sit back, ask a question or two and LISTEN to what people in the sport prefer and what the ACTUAL specs of certain frames/barrels/guns and the like. This isn't just to you Zach. Alot of people simply don't ask questions anymore, and to make things worst is that they make ill-fated conclusions by themselves before actually LEARNING anything. Sorry guys, just venting. Haha. Thank you cioeboy for trying to educate someone. I appreciate it! :-)

[Zach Sanders]

ok your pissing me off now. i have not insulted you at all and as far as i can see your just some immature brat with allot of time on his hands. your trying to make yourself look good but your not proving anything i have said is wrong your just "Saying" I’m wrong. as for my field i hold an average of 6 or 7 tournaments a month. that does not sound like a back yard paintball field to me... maybe you should just shut up and try to accept the fact that sometimes its better not to accuse people without knowing what your talking about...

[cioeboy]

Ok so my experience comment may be incorrect, but the rest of my reply stands. PS I don't think so. I tend to overshoot :P

[teaaddict314]

if the FPS is the same the range will be the same unless you have a flatline. if your gun goes farther than others then i would suggest buying a chrono because its most likely set at a higher fps than other people.

[madhops0620]

why the hell do you have a stock and that barrell on there? it looks stupid as hell. plus people havent actually run them over with cars before, or at least it hasnt actually been confirmed to work after its happened

[teaaddict314]

A) my barrel works just as good as a lapco bigshot (ive tested it) B) my stock works great for aiming c) my friend has run his gun over with a truck, then he went to play paintball. d) why does it matter how it looks? it matters how it performs.

[madhops0620]

I just think that it would be hard to get into small spaces and get close into bunkers. Overall good instructable though

[teaaddict314]

i do it fine, and its a collapsable stock too, so i can shorten it

[GreenDay]

That's not really a speedball gun.

[teaaddict314]

i dont play speedball....

[GreenDay]

Exactly. Woodsball?

[carld2002]

a) Probably not. Paint to barrel match would change, screwing up your data. b) stocks are pretty much useless c) I don't doubt that at all d) Very true

[Derin]

today i also played with a tippmann 98 custom but it was different I PLAYED FOR 4 ROUNDS AND ONLY GOT SHOT ONCE!!!and that was when i tried attacking a truck that i thought was empty BUT IT WAS FULL OF ENEMIES!!!Result:AHH MY EYE VISION MY GLASSES ARE BLOCKED failure to raise your gun when shot:"OW!OW!OW!STOOP!OW!OW!OW!OW!OW!OW!OW!OW!OW!

[Pbyrd]

Also, I don't own a Spyder I don't like them.

[Pbyrd]

Where I live,Tennessee,people use Spyders more than anything else but I don't know if this is true for other places. By the way I live in a fairly small town so it may just be us. I am going to buy a Tippmann A-5 sometime this week.

[jeradhoy424]

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[Lego man]

Wow you sure spam alot... Do you want more views or attention or something?

[technodude92]

well, this is definitely getting him attention.

[Lego man]

Dude that is the coolest avatar ever!

[technodude92]

because it's animated? it's not all that to be honest. i didn't even make the animation. i downloaded it off of the WoW website. they have animated gif's there of the different races doing the dance they do in game. My character(tauren hunters FTW) do the "Can't touch this dance" made famous by MC Hammer.

[Lego man]

Nice!

[Bartboy]

Has anyone tried using marbles instead of paint?.....

[JamesRPatrick]

I tried it (at targets) and the marbles didn't go very far because they didn't fit the barrel well. And if you try this on a person, you will get arrested.

[crazytech24]

Yes, several people at my outdoor field. They left with the police. They ended up putting one of my customers in intensive care, and are currently being prosecuted for attempted manslaughter.

[Bartboy]

Is it illegal? or just to shoot at someone? like if you shot your own stuff on your own property is it legal?

[cld0000]

If it's in your own property, then it's fine. If you shoot at someone without proper safety gear, then that's another story.

[Bartboy]

i thinks you lie, manslaughter means by accident! so if you attempt it it's attemptd murder!

[crazytech24]

Let me correct myself, the actual charges are Involuntary Manslaughter. Manslaughter does not mean by accident. There are two types of manslaughter, Voluntary and Involuntary. Voluntary is when one person kills another person in the heat of passion, or due to adequate provocation. Involutary in when circumstances existing at the time, the person's act either was by its nature dangerous to human life or was done with reckless disregard for another human's life and the person either knew that his actions were a threat to the lives of others. Attempted Murder is simply when a person acts deliberatly and recklessly, that person attempted to kill another and made a substantial step towards the outcome. Bartboy - please think twice about your actions if this is something you ever plan on doing and PLEASE do not give anyone the idea of doing this. Thank you.

[bob the builder #1]

I really want to know if a spider sonix is good if notthen what is?

[teaaddict314]

for the price its an ok gun. but there isnt much room for upgrades on it.

[knexer1]

What about a BT-4? I would say that it is a good beginner gun, it's almost exactly the same as a 98c, but it is a heck of a lot cheaper.

[twenglish1]

cool instructable i just started playing paintball a couple months ago i got a Spyder MR1 with rocking trigger frame 2.0

[Aburame Shino]

I've got a Trydent V2, and it's decent, but it's kinda inaccurate. How much did your Tippmann with all the attachments cost? O_O

[teaaddict314]

with all the upgrades, about 300-400 bucks i think...(that includes pods and pod packs and stuff)

[Aburame Shino]

Meh. XD That's a lot. I already have pods, pod packs, and that kinda jig, but I was just wondering about the red dot, the stock, and ther barrel, plus the original marker.

[tricha02]

you are all a bunch of woodsball noobs

[teaaddict314]

thnx for the great constructive criticism! you have a nice life now.

[receiver545]

is that a BSA reddot? cause thats what i use on my A-5.

[nsupple]

i would recommend getting a spider instead of tippman for he average recreational player. I personally have a smart parts ion (way upped) which is quite expensive, but smart parts does make cheaper lower end guns like the vibe which is 150. if you have only played a few times but are really starting to get into it get a smart parts and just keep playing... it helps to make friends with everyone (especially workers) at your local fields start playing with the people that play tournaments and if you really like it and get good step it up.

[teaaddict314]

spyders have horrible customer service, break a lot, and are made of cheap parts. Tippmanns are the perfect beginner gun.

[cioeboy]

While I agree that tippmanns are good beginner guns I disagree about spyders reliability. If you keep them oiled (2 drops in the asa before every day of play) they will keep shooting for a very long time. If they do break they are easy to find parts for and just about everyone knows how to work on them. I never have problems with spyders, and thats why I keep a few around as loaners or back up guns. Hell, I have a spyder that is over ten years old that I still use for woodsball games.

[Vertigo666]

nice marker. Like the stock, no one I know has one.

[bob the builder #1]

if I buy a spider at Dick's will it be any good?

[Xharhoo]

if you are just a recreational player i would suggest any spider that would fit your needs. if you are a happy go lucky noob who like to neglect and misuse your gun....then i would suggest any tippmann, simply because it is a low maintenance marker, with invincibility features :P if you want a tipp. just for looks, get a kingman MR. series. for intermediate/adv players there are three markers that have the most bang for you buck. they are the . diablo wrath, smart parts ion, and icd promaster. each one is generally the same performance-wise , but have some specs about them that only your own personal preference can decide...however if you would like a mechanical marker rather than electronic (mostly for you intermediate woodsball peeps.) i would suggest any of the wgp trilogies (becoming harder to find though.) or for milsim an ariakon. adv. players. Now once you become and advanced and serious paintballer you will already know your prefs. and what marker you want, but ill name off some suggestions anyway. if your a frontman or any player who like a lighter marker. the sp shocker is one option. if your not the savvy sp user. there is allways autocockers timmies, wdp angels, anything you can imagine. the shocker however is a very common and widely used and endorsed marker by professionals..but then again popularity doesnt allways mean it is the best.

[pbpenguin5]

you'll more than likely be overcharged for it.

secondly i would recommend an ion which runs about the same price and gives much higher performace.

Action Village sells all things paintball and the ion blows everything else out of the water in sales.

[bob the builder #1]

thanks

[disturbedreaper]

i had a spyder ive been doing work on it since i got it every time i went to play i had a problem but when you fix that if performs awesome but if you dont know what ur doing its a pain to keep up with i have a proto it is a great gun but if thats out of ur price range go with a ion if you want to play speed ball. if not then go with a tipmann also if ur new to painttballing, tipmanns are perfect they can grow with ur skills for a long time ive had mine for 4 years now and i had one problem with it when i had a new bolt installed and the guy at the store put the ball detent(the peice of ruber right behind the barrel to keep the paint ball from rolling out of the barrel) in backwards so the bolt got stuck on it but that was my only problem (i install all new parts and do all repairs my self now)

[teaaddict314]

spyders have horrible customer service and break easily.

[GreenDay]

Buy a Tippmann, they're infinitly better than spiders.

[ultrauber]

umm...the vids are busted

[rabbitkillrun]

no they're not... if they look rey then just click the play button...

[pbpenguin5]

accurately described for a beginner but: -stinger paint is awful (draxxxus, i hear evil is good but is banned in some areas, marbalizer, and even white box are much better than stinger paint -someone needs to disprove the frozen paintball theory -while a tippmann is one of the most widely used markers among beginners, spyder and the smart parts ions outsell tippmann's which should be noted -tippmann's are virtually no cleaning, i've heard of people who cleaned it by throwing it in a bucket of water.

[teaaddict314]

stinger paint is good if it fits well in your barrel the frozen pb theory has already been disproved thats because spyders are cheaper and more available, and speedball is more commonly played among intermediate players tippmanns should be maintenanced, but they do not require as much maintenance as most paintball guns.

[iPodGuy]

Hey ledzeppie, I have a question:

I made an instructable that uses a paintball co2 tank to euthanize prey animals to feed to snakes. I'm not a paintball guy, but a few folks had questions about the names of the parts that I used to build it. Could you take a look at it and tell me what the parts are called so I can edit and make it better?

Here's the link:
http://www.instructables.com/id/SXCZ6V7F7PCS22O/

You can see the tank, and whatever that valve is and that other threaded connector that grips the black tube. Do they have actual names so I can tell the people what to buy?

[disturbedreaper]

i believe that its just a remote connector for a co2 tank but i cant really tell from a pic

[four_eyes954]

i wish my paintball guns hopper went to the side, mine sits right on the sights its really stupid

[PyroJoe552]

anyone wanna buy my smart parts ION with nitrous tank , carrying case, improved air efficiency bolt gets 800 shots instead of 500 with this 68ci 3000psi tank gun also has replacements works like brand new PM me if you want to know more about it.

[arch_angel07]

I use the tippman A5, I still use the stock barrel, since I'm short on cash at the moment. But I like the overall smaller size which makes woodsball a bit easier. One tip don't be cheap and by junk paintballs, I asked my mom to run out and get me some balls before a match once, she got some cheep balls and I had 14 balls break in my barrel the next day.

[teaaddict314]

yah, bad paint can really mess you up.

[madhops0620]

also, 1) on the tippman 98, theres a latch you can undo at the neck of the hopper so you can squegee it w/o having to take of the barrel and 2) dont even try to walk the trigger on a 98 custom its almost impossible, if youre gonna walk the trigger and you actually know that it is then do it on an ion or something

[teaaddict314]

i can walk the trigger easily, i did the penspring mod, this helps a lot for walking a trigger.

[freshnessninja]

hey i got a question for you (since the clowns at the shop are scratchin their heads). i don't know if you have the problem but on my remote hose there's a small sliding piece that slides over a pinhole. my best guess is that it is used to depressurize the hose. the problem is that it leaks, really fast. any suggestions or should i just go pick up a new hose.

[MadMechanicMike]

its called a slide chuck. you can completely remove it if you want. if you dont want to remove it you can check the o-ring and make sure its not dry rotted or chipped out.

[freshnessninja]

mmmm, o ring... i think you might have a diffrent model or something. this is a small chrome segment with a sliding chrome segment around it. there is no o ring.

[MadMechanicMike]

http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=Qh3tyZMuQCHsndTKL7AtYZmI511YFRKfQcg=?ProductID=Z1CsFAY761EAAAD4dKzkrFs5#

[MadMechanicMike]

oh i know exactly what your talking about. i had a remote line like that. there was definitely an o-ring. without it there would be no seal

[freshnessninja]

yea that's what mine looks like. uh, i don't think there's an o ring on mine. i think i know the problem now, thanks.

[teaaddict314]

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[teaaddict314]

if you liked this one youl like this one too!!!!!

[Dantex]

it is a awesome instructable! +1
recommend - rap4 link
my favorite -

[tippmannphreak]

so you never take your 98 apart to clean the internals? I take my A-5 apart religiously.

[teaaddict314]

i never said i didnt. i do all the time. i just didnt cover it in this instructable

[MadMechanicMike]

Good instructable for beginners. I just cant stand the 98 though. There should be an intermediate and advanced paintball instructable though.

[teaaddict314]

98c is a great beginners gun, but for the more experienced field, yes it can become an annoyance (air hog, weight, blowback, ect). and yes i will be doing some intermediate PB ibles soon

[darkmuskrat]

Sweet, I've paint balled for years(with the tipman 98 becoming my best friend) and this instructable is awesome. Could you make another one explaining more advanced parts like, scopes, electric hoppers, differences barrels length have and ect.....Props on this instructable though.

[TeacherOfTheWays]

nice!

[teaaddict314]

thnx

[teaaddict314]

sorry for the shaky camera....had to film it myself, and as you can see i play way too many videogames