repairing a rust hole in a car by KittyJ
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My husband's car had developed a large rust hole in the fender under the gas cap. 

It needed to be fixed before the winter, and my husband hadn't had the free time to repair it himself; and I didn't want to pay the $150-200 to have it done by a body shop.

So I figured I'd do it myself and surprise him.
 
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Step 1: Scrape and sand

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The first step was to scrape off the loose paint surrounding the rust spot, and to sand off most of the rust.

I found, under the outer layer of metal, what I thought were additional layers of rusted, chipping metal, was actually dense foam padding. I scraped the rest of the metal chips off of the foam. I then taped off the area, and sprayed it with a rust treatment.

Following the directions on the can, I allowed the rust treatment to remain on overnight before I continued. (Rust treatment goes on clear, dries black.)

 On day 2, I again sanded around the area, removing paint around the hole to prepare it to be built up. For rust and paint removal, I used a 60 grit sandpaper.
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Squash says: Aug 23, 2012. 12:24 PM
Wow. Well, that's a little more than I would've tackled...before seeing your project! That's pretty cool and for a first-timer, great job! I need to do some body work on my car but it's fiberglass parts. I wouldn't mind doing it myself to keep from paying uber amounts just for looks. Maybe I will try it thanks to you. :)

cal_gecko - the site has a "...'be nice' comment policy. Please be positive and constructive with your comments or risk being banned from our site. " I don't believe your post was any of these...
KittyJ (author) says: Aug 23, 2012. 5:57 PM
Another commenter suggested a product called Kitty Hair for fiberglass. He says it works better than bondo, even on metal. You might want to check that out or mssg him. It looks neat!
sdereis says: Aug 23, 2012. 6:50 PM
It is refreshing to see how some people, like yourself takes the initiative to learn and prosper from "first time" experiences. I grew up doing what you did, trying and learning from successes and mistakes. And it has done me good for my building, repairs, jerry-rigging projects. Kudo's to you. Well done! You saved some $ and learned something that you can teach others and improve with each time you need to do it again!
cwickenkamp says: Aug 23, 2012. 6:51 PM
Not only is this lady's initiative, native good sense and intelligence commendable, but she did a good job with what she had to work with ... an older car.

Also, this instructable was very well written, she should be writing manuals! Excellent job.

One comment .. I think she underestimated the cost of a "professional" job by a factor of 3 to 5, depending on how "professional" the professional is. It costs soooo much money to get body work done.

ps. My husband and I owned an auto repair shop for over 20 years, and we made a lot of money fixing the repairs done by "professionals".
KittyJ (author) says: Aug 23, 2012. 7:22 PM
Thanks, sdereis. There are a lot of things a person can learn just by trying it a few times. I'm quite accomplished at painting rooms in my house now. I'm great at canning pickles. They're projects I've done dozens of times. I bet the next time I refinish a hardwood floor or a staircase, it will be faster and easier than it was the first time. The next time my husband builds a shed, it will be even better than the one we built last year. And maybe, if this car lives long enough for that patch to fail, I'll try some of the great tips people on here have offered me, and it will be even better and last longer.

But if you never try, then you never learn anything!
KittyJ (author) says: Aug 23, 2012. 7:24 PM
thank you so much, cwickenkamp!
that means a lot coming from someone with 20 years of experience!!
cwickenkamp says: Aug 23, 2012. 8:37 PM
You are welcome. It's only the truth. :-)
CEDRICWARD says: Aug 24, 2012. 1:36 PM
Great work. Very well written and done.
You SHOULD be proud.
How many husbands have such a smart and capable wife?
More women should be willing to know how to fix things.
You can't always be sure there is a man around to do it for you.
And of course, the 'retail' market for fixing things (if you can even find anyone to really fix something) is absurdly costly.
We are a throw away society and will soon drown in our own junk.
Good for you on this well done instructable.
Let's hope it encourages more women to follow suit.
KittyJ (author) says: Aug 24, 2012. 2:49 PM
Thank you, CedricWard!
Squash says: Aug 24, 2012. 5:43 PM
I will check on that! Thanks. You wouldn't want a fiberglass-fix practice car would you? Lol.
KittyJ (author) says: Aug 24, 2012. 6:39 PM
Ah, for lack of free time.... ; )
vanwazltoff says: Feb 18, 2013. 9:35 PM
wish my rust cancer spots were this easy but they are quite a bit more difficult because of the positions they are in.....plus i have 6 of them DX
mattxcox says: Jan 29, 2013. 4:09 PM
Goodness... where does one find such a sweet woman as you! lol. he reapir looks solid for a first time, im very impressed :D
Lowriderpr says: Nov 11, 2012. 4:38 PM
Nice Job!
mrlunna13 says: Oct 18, 2012. 5:47 PM
What a Lady!! Great Job!! On the car, and also for looking up for your husband!
I bet he is very proud. I know I would be.
Cheers,
Jesse M.
KittyJ (author) says: Oct 19, 2012. 5:27 AM
Thank you, Jesse!!
halamka says: Oct 10, 2012. 5:48 PM
I cut pieces from a water heater and weld them on. The entire left side might fall off. I drill holes and break the piece out. The door hinge is the most difficult. I use brown paper for a pattern. I dumped oil on 3 cars that are not registered. I put oil on everything that has rust.
doublejosh says: Sep 19, 2012. 12:28 PM
Be advised that Bondo doesn't last forever and is kinda the quick/cheap way to patch this type of thing. That said, it certainly looks better.
restorator says: Aug 23, 2012. 3:11 PM
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KittyJ (author) says: Aug 23, 2012. 5:36 PM
Certainly, restorator, no one who does something for themselves with little or no experience is going to be able to replicate the quality of a professional job. That goes for just about any project.

If I had the $200 to take it to a body shop, I would. Unfortunately, a cosmetic problem on my old, scratched up car has been at the bottom of a list of things to pay for ever since the hole you see was just some bubbled paint and light rust. That's about 3 years. We have a family of five budgeted to the hilt and making do on a single income. So the choice wasn't body shop or me. The choice was me or nothing. And I don't figure another winter of snow and ice and road salt getting into that hole was going to be much better than fixing it myself.

This is instructables. If people have the money to pay someone to put in their patio, or build them a chicken coop, or retile their bathroom, there's a good chance they'd write a check and be done with it. And the quality would be better. And it would be worth the money.

But $60 and 4 or 5 hours of my time was worth it.

Try not to be so harsh on the do-it-yourselfers on a DIY website.
sksr1008 says: Sep 8, 2012. 12:59 AM
aprt from the money that one saves by DIY, the satisfaction that one gets on doing a good job...nothing like it. as many of the readers have already said... you have done a great job indeed. and your step-by-step instructions along with illustrations are very easy to follow. great job!
doctressjulia says: Sep 3, 2012. 2:42 PM
BRAVA.

You are handling the creepy dudes and mansplainers better than most would.

Way to be.
artemff says: Aug 23, 2012. 5:28 PM
$150-200 sounds a bit too optimistic, doesn't it? I was quoted $1200 in DC area for fixing the dented fender (nothing serious at all) but OK, this was a body shop associated with the insurance company and they had their interest so I just took the money. However, another quote of $1500 for fixing large dents on two doors was made by some semi-official shop not interested in overpricing and I don't think I could get it done for less than $1000.
I guess, the body shop would charge the author for each position in a long itemized list, like "unmounting the gas tank filling neck" (and then "mounting the gas tank filling neck"), "applying a layer of anti-corrosive mixture", and so on. Plus, I doubt that they would paint just the spot. Most probably, they would paint the whole panel= primer+2-3 layers of paint + 2-3 layers of clear coat, and the price would be closer to $400 (I know that one can re-paint the car for $300 but this is a discount price for ~1.5 layer painting and nothing else).
doctressjulia says: Sep 3, 2012. 2:31 PM
You're amazing. I'm going to go and do this to my rust spots... ALL TWELVE OF THEM- tomorrow. WooHOOOOO!

Thanks for a great Instructable.
KittyJ (author) says: Sep 4, 2012. 7:54 AM
Nice!! Good luck! It's a fun project!
cfchenot says: Aug 23, 2012. 8:56 AM
My wife doesn't do any type of car repairs. I'm impressed. Remind your husband that he's got quite the catch.
KittyJ (author) says: Aug 23, 2012. 9:25 AM
Thank you!
Since he was the one who told me to post on here, and he watches my page, I think you just told him for me! :D
skinnyboy says: Aug 23, 2012. 9:40 AM
I think I'm in love... [sigh]

It might not be a professional repair, but then, you're not a professional body repairwoman. Just the fact that you had the thought to do this, then on top of that, taking the initiative to get it done... What a woman!
doctressjulia says: Sep 3, 2012. 2:37 PM
What a creepy comment!
KittyJ (author) says: Aug 23, 2012. 6:02 PM
oh, thanks! : )
DGW says: Aug 24, 2012. 5:23 AM
Very impressive, Kitty. That will last for years. Car will probably be sold before it rusts again. This is a good place to share a little trick I came up with. When repairing a deep rust area that goes into several layers of metal (but not through) I clean out the rust as much as possible. Then I saw open a discarded AA battery (or larger) lengthwise and remove the outer steel casing and the inner chemicals and carbon rod. You will be left with the inner metal case which is pure zinc. Large steel ships use zinc blocks and zinc primer to fight rust by electrolytic reaction. The zinc will corrode before the steel does. Wash the zinc sheet, drill a hole or two in it and use small sheet metal screws to fasten it in the rust hole. Then do your rust sealer and Bondo over that. I have found that this method greatly extends the time before rust returns, like I never see it again!
doctressjulia says: Sep 3, 2012. 2:33 PM
Oh, that is COOL. I'd love to see a step-by-step with pics of that.
KittyJ (author) says: Aug 24, 2012. 2:56 PM
That is fascinating! Do you have pics of this? I'd love to see the how-to on that!
DGW says: Aug 25, 2012. 6:42 AM
No pics because I haven't done it in awhile but it is really easy. Just as I described.. Place the dead battery in a vice and use a hack saw to saw about 3/4 through it lengthwise. Remove from vice, (use gloves) and peel it open over a trash can, dumping out the contents (black chemicals, carbon rod) and remove the inner metal sheet (the zinc piece). It is a soft metal so just use shears to cut it, if required, to the size of the hole. Wash and dry it with a little dish detergent.
Drill a hole or two to secure it to the steel at the bottom of the rust hole. Use sheet metal screws. Apply rust sealer, bondo as usual.
rogue299 says: Aug 24, 2012. 7:29 AM
Wow, I must say I love your idea! Having spent many years in the US Navy I have been around the using of zinc to prevent rust for ever but never thought of using the idea on a car. My hat is off to you.
ledshed says: Aug 30, 2012. 4:16 AM
Excellent! As you have figured out, it's dead easy. However... NEVER spray to a line of tape. ALWAYS have overspray and mask at least 6 inches from where you want the paint to go. After spraying primer, cut back with fine wet and dry paper. Then spray top coat and cut that back as needed. If a clear coat is needed, spray that and cut in as with the paint. Go down to a 1200 on the top coat (either paint or clear) then wax.
reinovator says: Aug 23, 2012. 8:48 AM
I admire the work done here and this looks very well thought out. For a temporary repair well done! This is cool! I'm a Certified bodyman and I would not do this but Please understand this looks good for a first time " temporary fix" the issue at hand is" Why did it Rust out" that is where I would attack this from the picture shown It tells me that the rust started between the two panels, interior and exterior, if you choose to investigate this further you will find the problem. and prevent this from happening again
Again I admire ambition in this. and you did a good job with what you had to work with. If you don't try you wont learn.
Don't Stop trying, keep at it.
KittyJ (author) says: Aug 23, 2012. 9:26 AM
Thanks for the encouragement!
Would you explain more about the internal and external panels, and the foam, and what your recommendation would be?
dr2chase says: Aug 28, 2012. 6:55 AM
Reinovator is right in theory, but in practice (sufficiently old car, ability to apply another patch in the future) it probably doesn't matter. We worked with polyester resin a lot when I was a kid (it's what holds most "fiberglass" boats together; you should recognize the smell now if you sniff inside the hull of any fiberglass sailboat) and damp can diffuse through very slowly -- enough to eventually rust steel, which then creates a gap for more water to collect -- but not enough to rot wood. If you can get at the backside of a repair, it's a good thing to apply a few layers of paint or tar after it's all done, but if not, figure that five years from now you might need to do another repair if you still own the car. It's a good thing that body shop pros want their work to last longer than five years, so no knocks on renovator.

It's also possible, though messier, to work directly with fiberglass and liquid resin instead of Bondo. The advantage is that the resulting patch is stronger, but it won't look as nice, you'll need to use a power sander, and definitely you'll want a dust filter while you're sanding. We had to patch some serious holes in non-cosmetic structural places once on a very used car, and we just piled on the fiberglass, layer after layer, binding to rough-sanded metal edges, and when we were done, we laid down rusty-metal primer, then roofing tar.
KittyJ (author) says: Aug 28, 2012. 10:15 AM
wow! what a project!
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