Super Simple ignition coil drivers

 by -max-
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crazy-blender says: Mar 21, 2013. 9:05 AM
Can I use an IGBT instead of the 2n3055 transisitor. and will it improve the performance. also will the hv kickback kill it
deej397 says: Nov 25, 2012. 12:41 PM
Hey what type of power would you use for your step 5 schematic? Right now I'm trying to use a 12v lantern battery I got from radio shack but its not working. Also I'm on a breadboard just for testing purposes. I thought this could be done with 9v batteries so you'd think a 12v lantern battery would work but I'm having no such luck. Thank you
-max- (author) in reply to deej397Nov 25, 2012. 3:39 PM
I used both a 12V drill battery, 18 volt drill battery, a 12V PSU,

I have never heard of a 12V lantern battery, they are 6V. does it have any juice left? I had success with as little as 9V if I remember. (not the 9V battery, but a power supply.)

does the relay do anything? if it is buzzing, then change out your capacitor for a different one. small ceramic ones will not work.
deej397 in reply to -max-Nov 26, 2012. 8:34 PM
Well I'm using the ignition system on Step 5, I got it to work with a 12vdc wall outlet, but now I think maybe one of the components is fried, because it suddenly stopped working. I'm wondering what that component could be? I'm using a small .1uf ceramic capacitor and the 2N3055 Power Transistor. I don't think my 555 chip's fried because I switched it out and the same problem occurred. I tested the project on a breadboard and it worked, but it stopped working on the breadboard. I knew the project worked before so I soldered it up thinking it could be the breadboard making the connections not work 100%. Still doesn't work. Thanks for your reply!
-max- (author) in reply to deej397Nov 27, 2012. 5:48 AM
I bet it is your 2N3055 transistor. not only is it hard to find a good one nowadays, but they also tend to burn up with inductive loads. The back EMF spikes fry them easy. You need a transistor that can handle lots of EMF (at least 10 times the voltage of the power supply), and thermal runaway.
deej397 in reply to -max-Nov 27, 2012. 9:56 AM
Thanks again for your reply, i did more testing in class today and figured out both my wall transformer (just a regular 12vdc plug with a transformer box as a plug) is fried, also the 555 chip. So i replaced the chip and replaced the plug with a digital power supply. I figured out when I adjust the 10k POTs, sometimes the volds would spike from 12 to 21 or 18, and the average current was 3 or 4 but that would sometimes go to 0 ( that might be because of the 555 chip was fried) So now my major consern is what is the proper power supply that is not a battery and wont fry? And kinda on the cheap but not cheap quality. Thanks for your time!
-max- (author) in reply to deej397Nov 27, 2012. 11:53 AM
the best power supply to use would be one of the big clunky power supply’s that inside have a giant transformer, 4 diodes, and giant electrolytic capacitors.
deej397 in reply to -max-Nov 27, 2012. 9:56 AM
Thanks again for your reply, i did more testing in class today and figured out both my wall transformer (just a regular 12vdc plug with a transformer box as a plug) is fried, also the 555 chip. So i replaced the chip and replaced the plug with a digital power supply. I figured out when I adjust the 10k POTs, sometimes the volds would spike from 12 to 21 or 18, and the average current was 3 or 4 but that would sometimes go to 0 ( that might be because of the 555 chip was fried) So now my major consern is what is the proper power supply that is not a battery and wont fry? And kinda on the cheap but not cheap quality. Thanks for your time!
HeatUp says: Nov 25, 2012. 6:04 AM
can you help a little bit abou the pic you uploaded at Aug 26, 2010. 6:06 AM.is that thing going from positive and negative terminals form relay is mthat capicator?
-max- (author) in reply to HeatUpNov 25, 2012. 10:08 AM
I don’t understand what you mean. are you referring to the schematic picture?

from the battery, the power enters the relay coil. here, the relay coil, capacitor and the normally open pins are in parallel. after the coil is magnetic flux built up, the the armature will short out the capacitor and let power to the coil.

the current then creates a magnetic flux inside the coil, where the outputs collects that energy and gives an output. then all the current travels back to ground (other battery terminal, usually negative side, but the polarity of the battery does not matter)
TeslaBoy says: Jul 28, 2012. 8:29 PM
It works but not as well as the relay driver since resonance can't occur in the primary circuit with out blowing the transistor up. To get a good spark you need primary resonance. Just like a good Tesla coil.
-max- (author) in reply to TeslaBoyJul 29, 2012. 7:42 AM
i didn't know that.

clearly the transistor in this circuit needs a snubber on here, maybe a .5uf capacitor across the primary and a diode in between one leg of the ignition coil, and the collector (or drain) and another HV zener diodes in series, one to prevent backwards flow into the transistor, and let the current go to ground.
TeslaBoy in reply to -max-Jul 29, 2012. 4:51 PM
That would work but would eliminate the resonance. In these digital circuits you just can't have any voltage or resonance in the primary. But at least that would allow you to keep this running.
-max- (author) in reply to TeslaBoyJul 29, 2012. 7:28 PM
the resonance will occur with the capacitor/primary tank circuit, and all the diodes will tame the current if it gets out of hand.

that what i think,anyway.
R.A.T.M says: Apr 29, 2012. 5:06 PM
couldnt you use this for a fly back
-max- (author) in reply to R.A.T.MApr 29, 2012. 7:01 PM
which circuit, some of them (like a modified version of the 555 driver) would drive flybacks, but some (like the relay-based ones) wont drive a flyback. flybacks require much higher switching speeds.
R.A.T.M in reply to -max-May 1, 2012. 6:57 PM
okay thanks man
freenergyfuture says: Jan 31, 2012. 1:40 PM
I can't quite tell which direction the power flows, and where the battery would connect.....
-max- (author) in reply to freenergyfutureJan 31, 2012. 6:02 PM
looking at this schematic i see the coil connected backwards...

answering your question (i hope i understand what you mean) power (electrons) go from the negitive to positive. when building the circuit, one way perseve this on a breadboard is to split the schematic into 3 parts;

the timer circuit (555, resistors, capacitors, etc it flips on and off a current going to the base of the transistor), so build this and test it with a speaker or oscilloscope. 

the amp (the transistor that picks up the small signals from the timer and out comes large signals to the coil, [flipping on and off the power to the coil many times a second])

the coil ( that turning that pulsed DC into a high voltage)

oh, and the ground (3 or 4 lines at the bottom edge) is the - side on a battery and the +12V 6A is the + side of a battery.

so when building, make the first part, then second, then third. as you make it have parts go to the plus side and ground, (minus side)
bswt says: Aug 15, 2011. 11:28 PM
relay did not last that long
-max- (author) in reply to bswtAug 16, 2011. 6:31 PM
if you can pop it open, sand the crap off the contacts, and test. if it still doesn't work, your coil burnt up and you need a higher power relay.
The MadScientist says: May 4, 2011. 2:07 AM
Did you actually test the shock I've shocked myself with HV a lot more than I should have but I would never do it intentionally? Camera flash systems really hurt as well as HV capacitor discharge. My worst with ignition coils was a direct strike from this ignition coil driver.
-max- (author) in reply to The MadScientistMay 4, 2011. 10:04 AM
it doesn't look like it would hurt nearly as much as this page... the circuitry looks similar to page 5... just with a voltage regulator and a high voltage muffler.
anyways, no. i never even built this circuit, though others that did say it really hurt. and examining the circuitry, i don't blame them. also, just look at the second picture, to me that is a death spark!
spark light in reply to -max-Aug 3, 2011. 1:48 PM
Actually, that is not a high voltage muffler so much as it is a gate drive shaping circuit. It limits the current between the 555 and mosfet during turn-on which momentarily takes it into it's linear region. Then, it gives it a hard, quick turnoff, but still protects the 555 from mosfet failure by current limiting.
The MadScientist in reply to -max-May 5, 2011. 1:18 AM
That does look pretty high Amp the flash circuit hurts enough.
Kirbsome! says: Aug 5, 2010. 5:48 AM
I've been looking for something like this, can the first driver use a 9v battery?
-max- (author) in reply to Kirbsome!Mar 23, 2011. 6:32 PM
i tryed with a more powerful 9V driver recently (wall-wart) and it work! but with less epic sparks :( i found the 24V works the best but the relay will need to be modified with a bigger spring in it so it doesn't lock up.
-max- (author) in reply to Kirbsome!Aug 5, 2010. 11:41 AM
i don't know for sure. i tried with my model, and it produced tearable results (400 volts the first second or so, then died out. but again the battery was probably half dead.

also,the circuit actes like a VCO (voltage controlled oscillator) more voltage, lower freq.
Kirbsome! in reply to -max-Aug 5, 2010. 1:36 PM
So, I need low voltage high amps?
Gujkil says: Nov 10, 2010. 6:42 AM
what parts i need for the driver?
-max- (author) in reply to GujkilNov 15, 2010. 5:40 PM
depends which circuit your talking about.
migsters says: Nov 11, 2010. 2:41 PM
Will a OMRON SPST 10 AMP Relay work? If so, how would i go about hooking it up?
-max- (author) in reply to migstersNov 12, 2010. 3:59 PM
Never heard of it. I'm predy sure any relay shoud work but I don't gurentee. As long as its capale of working on the power that comes out power-source. And has the same contacts as the schematics have.
one8877 says: Oct 10, 2010. 11:57 PM
how the diagram if I use a motorcycle coil
-max- (author) in reply to one8877Oct 11, 2010. 5:46 AM
the same diagram should work for any coil.
Jimmy Proton says: Aug 24, 2010. 4:16 PM
are you saying you can make an oscillater with a relay?
-max- (author) in reply to Jimmy ProtonAug 25, 2010. 6:46 AM
yes. its like a hing transistor except it has a delay in it before it switches. giving it a resident freq.
Jimmy Proton in reply to -max-Aug 25, 2010. 3:35 PM
is there an instrucable on how to make one cuz i didnt c 1
-max- (author) in reply to Jimmy ProtonAug 26, 2010. 6:06 AM
sorry, forgot to upload the pic. here it is.
high voltige genorator.bmp
-max- (author) in reply to Jimmy ProtonAug 26, 2010. 6:02 AM
well there's 2 self oscillators i know of you can use one works on the principle of shorting itself out, the other, turning itself off. the first kind is easier to build, and with the addition of a cap, it drives the coil efficiently(like in the instructable). (the first pic is a emf generator the NE2 bulb glows faintly.)and the second is wired the directly to the battery AND the normally OFF switch part on the relay (no pic, sorry)
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