Step 2: wind the transformer

this transformer is the crucial element to make joule thief work with lemon. it requires much more winding then in the normal joule thief design and only plain ferrite works - all colored rings failed.

1. take about 1.5-2 meters of copper wire, bend it in half and wind the coil with it. in this case it took around 50-60 windings arranged in two layers.

2. after the winding is done - cut the double end, so that you have 4 loose single tips.
3. clean the tips from the isolation lacquer with sanding paper
4. with a multimeter set on conductivity test, find two separate windings
5. twist two opposing ends of different windings into one contact
6. pre-solder the tips of the transformer.

your transformer is ready!
Where can I find Copper electrode ?
<p>Hello. What grade project would this project represent? I am looking to do this but on an 8th grade level and test with different materials as well. My school likes to see scientific logs and different levels of testing for a period of time. We have a month and a half to do the project. Any other suggestions on how to bring it up to that level? Otherwise, this project looks great, and I am looking forward to beginning it with my son. Thank you!!!</p>
<p>Hello, what if I used pennies and nickels, will it work? so that I'm not going find for the copper and zinc sheet.</p>
Would it be possible to use galvanized nails, pennies or even copper wire itself instead of the metal sheets? (As I have quite limited access to them)
The main idea here to get the LED running is to get as much current from the lemon as possible, which means maximising electrode surface. If you manage to stuff enough copper wire, pennies and nails - it might work, but it might be tricky making sure that they don't touch each other.
That makes sense, thanks!
This should be featured..<br> <br> A
how come there are four legs in the second picture?
the fourth is not the leg, but the solder wire.
do u have to have gigantic sheets of zinc and cooper inside lemon?
they are no more gigantic than the lemon itself. They're just pretty densely packed.
never mind
So is it a plain ferrite bead or a ferrite toroid bead, because the instructions say you need to use a ferrite bead, but I thought ferrite toroid beads are used in joule thiefs.
This just gave me an idea. If it works i'll post an instructable.
im pretty sure its not a transformer, it two diferent inductors, it might even be called a choke(look it up on wikipedia).
it is a 1:1 transformer.
you sure?, i thought i heard that these work by storing very small amounts of charge in the toroid part of it and then releasing it; all of this happening thousands of times per second, of course.
True. The toroid has &quot;special properties&quot; Something about EMP, EMF, and magnetic field resistance.
It is a toroidal transformer. And yes, the coil stores energy and releases it when the time is right.
so if i have a pre- wrapped torrid from an old computer monitor that has the plastic coating on it then i have to remove the coating before the joule thief or the transformer will do anything???<br>
Well...if plastic is on the ferrite, it shouldn't do much...but try to remove it anyway.
transistor serves as amplification stage, it amplify the current generated from lemon <sup></sup><br/>
not really - transistor here acts as a very fast switch.
Ever take a relay and wire it so it flicks on and off so fast it goes &quot;beep&quot;? Fun...
The transistor acts as a switch and the 'transformer' is just like a really small flyback transformer found it modern CRT TV's
Awesome instructable <br><br>Could this be powered by salt water ? or even urine? <br><br>
Salt water-Yes. Urine...no way I'm gonna test that.
Thanks, blackghost. I'm pretty sure it will run on salt water and urine. Please post here the results if you get to try it
Please help! <br /> Following your instructable, my first joule thief didn't work. It <em>does</em> light the led with a 3 volt battery, just not a 1.5. It is a 3 volt led. <br /> <br /> Some questions, what kind of 1kohm resistor? The one I bought is 1/4 watt since that's all radio shack had. The transistor was a &quot;general purpose&quot; one. The toroid was large, but uncoated. The wire was 9 feet of 20 gauge. <br /> <br /> Does this look right?<br /> <br /> Rosie<br />
The FAIL<br />
Try testing it out with the LED ends switched out... when i first tried mine, it didn't work because the LED ends were soldered backwards.&nbsp; When I tried again with&nbsp; the anode and cathode ends switched around, and tested it out, the LED&nbsp;finally lit up!&nbsp; Try using a battery that is 1.5 Volts too, then use one that has progressively lower voltage.&nbsp; Also, is it possible that you got the ends of the wires wound around your bead mixed up?&nbsp; Try changing that around too, and perhaps the right combination would make your Joule Thief work.&nbsp; Good LUCK!<br />
After some research, a friend of mine got one working with 7 windings of insulated wire on a breadboard! I removed that wire and added the 60 windings of&nbsp; bare copper wire (this time I used 30 gague so it would be easier ... and it didn't work. <br /> <br /> I'm thinking that the bare wire is to blame, so I ordered 26 gauge enamel coated wire (30 seemed really puny). You mentioned you used bare wire but you had to sand off the coating before soldering so I think you are using coated wire?<br /> <br /> Now Im racing the clock before the science fair...<br /> <br /> Rosie<br />
ya, youl neefdto sand the ends, you can also scrach it off with a sharp peice of medel, of burn it off with a match (then clean off the char, of coarse!). the center tabed lead goes to to + side of battery and the two ends go to the transistor. make sure your transister is a 2n2222 or 2n4011, (2n3904 is a bad choice, their are better ones out there) <br> <br>the - side of the battery goes to the emitter <br>the + side goes to the center tab <br>the led goes to the emiter and colecter (check polarity) <br>the center tab of the transister goes to the resistor which goes to tone end of the coil <br> <br>and the other end of the coil goes to the colector on the transistor
yep, the wire has to be enameled. could be with normal plastic insulation as well as long as you manage to fit enough windings through your coil.<br /> <br /> as far as i remember now - it was quite tricky to get the transformer winding right. particular ring material would work slightly different with particular wire.<br /> <br /> i suggest you to try to approach your particular coil as systematic as you can. make first 10 windings, then 20, then 30 and so on - this will be time-consuming but the most certain way to get it running.<br /> <br /> good luck!!!<br /> <br /> <br />
have you tryed to put the battery in the other way? if it still doesn't work, make sure the toroid was wound right. when i was building one, that was always the case. make sure the transistor is connected correctly.
alright rosie, first thing that i noticed is that you have the resistor on the middle lead that is where your positive input goes (+) which goes to the center leg of your transistor, if im not mistaken its the Base its really early atm but thats what im seeing, the center (two wires on your toroid go to the positive, check your legs either by useing a digital meter and putting it on continuity or run some power through it put the positive of a battery in the middle two legs then test it to make sure it has 1.5v's on the right side if its a 1.5v battery then check the other side and make sure again its 1.5v for the example once you know that both legs are hot (they have power) then you are in bussiness, the base goes to the resistor then to one leg on the outside, not the center. hopefully that helps.<br />
The resistor is supposed to go on the center leg of the transistor.
A small wiring diagram to support the good pics would help experimenters and educate a little! <br><br>Thanks,<br>Pipper Tinker
can i use ferrite electrode
Maybe add a switch to your circuit so you can turn it off when you don't want it to be lit.
I tried to built it and has a problem: When I'm connecting the joule thief to the lemon, the led lights up for about half a second (even less) and then stop working.. when I disconnect it and reconnect it, the same result appear... How do I manage to keep the led light up? Thanks Eran
First of all, your transistor may be the wrong kind, It can also be wired backwards. Maybe it is your transformer. Try to make another one and make sure to follow the diagram. The best transistors to use are... A 3904, A 2222, and a 4401. The 4401 puts out the most voltage in this circuit.
the tricky thing here is the transformer from 5 different rings i've tried, only 2 worked. I suggest you to try another ring and perhaps a thicker wire to improve conductivity. Good Luck!!!
Try to use toroids without paint on them. Normal toroids are a grayish color.
hey i tried mine directly on a lemon tree it was good but they all fell off after a few days. any idea???
doesn't the coil just short because you stripped off the insulation?
Looks great! What are the effects on the lemon? Does it get rotten or something?
from what ive herd now this is just something that i saw on one video they said it was something like 90,000 pulses per minuet most dvds are 60 frames to 120 frames / second so 90,000 pulses per minuet you couldnt catch it on a camera its just too fast :D<br />
not true , ifi you catch 100 pulses for 1 frame it will be visible

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