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we use a nail and some photopaper (not to thick) + a little bit of tape. in some pvc tube. We reach way beyond 25 feet (7.6M). We hit softer targets from atleast 115 feet (35M) and we can shoot into wooden walls from approx 65 feet (20m).I really like the laster idea, I will put this to use with our nasty green laser pointer. it should be easier to hit the targets now ;)