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If those numbers are accurate and only 9.7% of views proceeded to the full Instructables list, I'd say that viewership on instructables is now poised to take a nose dive. There are now only 5 instructables shown upon loading the page (versus 6) plus whatever number are carried under that sub-tab.Only about 10% historically went to that page anyway per these numbers, but now that number is quite likely to drop as useful filters on that sub-tab (views/featured/popular) are now gone.My point in bringing up forum topics was less about them in specific as it was pointing out the lack of ease that the new layout imposes. If 0.018% of viewers went looking for forum posts via the tabs before--when it was one or two clicks to get to--I can only imagine what it will be now that finding such things is a hunt for those items in a potentially huge and dynamic activity feed. In light of that, I doubt viewers will be enticed to search for forum content. Based on what's happening, I'd say a drop in viewership to that sort of content is not far off--potentially across the board with other content too.
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YouTube is certainly something I do wish to move into. I have given a fair amount of thought to what I wish to do and how, I have just been too preoccupied with other things to proceed further than I have.
It tends to lag.According to their post, they've worked to fix that. However, my experience is to just leave it be for a half hour or so and it should take after that.
From what I gather here, the public profile page visible to the public is, in general, as it will be for the foreseeable future. On the other hand, our own personal profile pages will be reworked in the future to make the interface more accessible.I do not care about navigating through my own portfolio--I've done it for 7 years, it's not a concern. What is a concern to me is the fact that my audience must now navigate through a Byzantine maze to get to seeing my content. Based on your statements, it appears I can only figure that my audience will be having more of the same and that I may indeed join them in that to boot.-------------------"Our old member page, say what you will, had a lot of buttons and options. On the whole, we know that most people don't take the trouble to drill down into the various categories."If that was your goal, you've missed the mark. Far from reducing the amount of drilling a person must do to find anything, the work to find things has only been increased.At this moment, if I wish to find an old forum topic I wrote months ago without using my private portfolio or sifting through the forums, I must now hunt it down in a gigantic list on my profile page which contains hundreds of notifications that "(user) has favorited (instructable)" or "(user) has subscribed to OrigamiAirEnforcer" and so on.Under the old profile layout it was one, maybe two clicks. They were not terribly hard to find.---------------"Forum posts used to live buried under a tab on the left; now, the contribution of a forum topic can appear right at the top if that's how the author participates in the community. We wanted to see how authors engage, and we felt it was ultimately more important than being able to drill through every piece of historical content hierarchically."The changes as they are have not raised forum posts or things like them so much as they have buried everything more equally. As above, the more disorganized layout of things now has made things harder to find, and thereby, less likely to be found.----------------"The old profile page served 'my view of me' and 'my audience's view of me' somewhat evenly. With the changes we've made, and the changes in the pipeline, we're taking a stance. The public page is for my audience, the private page is for me. We're confident the new design better serves authors' audiences, even if it has some weaknesses for the author's own view. The author-centric side is coming, please hang in there!"I would like it if my public profile page were for my audience--and indeed, I guess it really is for my audience nowadays. Most of my profile page is dedicated to what my audience is doing: favoriting, subscribing, leaving me smiley faces or the occasional spam comment. That's lovely...except that most of my audience is probably more concerned with what I have been doing rather than what people like them have been doing. It's not an unreasonable conclusion to draw that most of the people who have visited my profile page went there to see what I, OrigamiAirEnforcer, have done. Unfortunately, nowadays they will see less of that and more of what others have done since notifications from me are few and far between compared to my audience's. That probably isn't going to go over so well with my viewers' or others when they visit other content creators' pages.----------------Re: Surfacing Older ContentNoble concept, but not one that is well served by the layout we now have.-----------------Re: Top-Five ProjectsUnder the old layout, this would have been a very nice feature. The five selected projects would have the displayed total number of projects prominent right next to them in the sidebar. With this layout, however, things are different. There is no outward indication of how many other projects the author has posted. As a result, the number of instructables posted by a person could be mistaken to only be 5 total.For a person such as myself, (having made 402 instructables at the time of this writing), this means only a tiny fraction of my projects are visible on first glance and to the roaming viewer, the others are completely unknown--absent some exploration by them. It would not be unlikely for the average viewer to make the incorrect conclusion that this mere 1.25% of my content is all that I have posted, solely based on the lack of information given under the new layout.----------"Activity Feed. Love it or hate it, it's here to stay."If things are going to be "like it or lump it" (as you say they will be with this), what point is there in bothering submitting feedback?Earlier today, I made a response to another person's comment on the activity feed, the problems it presents to authors and their content and what might be done about it. This was part of my comment:"I personally doubt anything will be done about [the activity feed]. I don't think the powers that be value content enough to reverse this mistake."Lo and behold, the problems it will cause for content creators are not enough to convince the administration to institute change--instead, what we have is "here to stay.""We believe that the activity feed, with the 'top Instructables' feature in particular, makes it much easier to determine at a glance how a member participates."This works great in theory...except the only things visible of my participation for the most part are those "top Instructables." Viewers favoriting and commenting on my instructables are not my participation in the community--nor are people subscribing to me.With the activity feed as it is, there is actually very little indication of what I do or how I participate. Far less than the old layout wherein comments at the very least were immediately visible.-------------"We'll also be looking carefully at how the page looks, making sure that we aggregate activity events such that no one event type (ahem, favorites!) takes over, etc."Why not simply make the profile page customizable by its user? As the subject of my profile page, I would like to make the decisions over what is shown so that nothing of any particular type overwhelms what I do not want it to.Perhaps you could even make it possible to allow users to revert their profiles to the old layout...---------------I care about Instructables' well being...that's why I oppose the changes as they are. The developers no doubt had the best of intentions, but I must again warn them that this layout is not what they believe it to be.-OAE
It is indeed a serious issue.However, I personally doubt anything will be done about it. I don't think the powers that be value content enough to reverse this mistake.
"Content is being downplayed like it never has been before. Most of a person's profile page is now dedicated to what other people have done. Users' profile pages--what were once pages dedicated to their stuff--are now dominated by others' stuff."This is the major issue. Great content needs a platform to live up to it.
No button to even look at other subscribers; only your first 120 unless you rewrite the URL manually.
On mobile it's even worse--you get a whopping 1.5 instructables visible on first glance; you have to actively look to see more to find further ones.Contest wins lack their unique achievement patches--but at least those accomplishments are still visible at all. Regular patches between users do not even get that, making them effectively worthless.Things aren't what they used to be.
Errr your realy not going to like the look of the new "subscribers" page..... - liquidhandwash
I don't mind they new layout. I would prefer it though if it would be more about the Instructables somebody has posted. Would it be possible to have the button say e.g. "All 57 Instructables" and maybe get a second line so that 10 Instructables are showing? What I really don't like are the new contest win icons. Can we please, please, please get the old ones back? - BrittLiv
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"Just a question... Has anyone sent you pictures of an airplane that they made from one of your designs?"If you mean examples of my airplanes made by others to my specifications, yes. The Turbo UltraVulcan probably has the largest number of viewer submitted photos.If you meant a derivative of one of my designs developed by a viewer, these do turn up--albeit more rarely.As far as videos go, they're something I've wanted to do for some time, but have never conquered. Being a one man operation as I am, launching a paper airplane and then filming it is not a particularly easy task. I will have to figure out a way to overcome the problems with that setup before I can frequently use it.
I would not be at all surprised if they commit to the new profile page layout. Rather than valuing things on their merits, people nowadays feel that the simple creation of something makes it equal to whatever like it was around--without regard for actual capabilities.The new layout is objectively inferior to the previous setup, but it will likely remain because too many people are unwilling to face the fact that sometimes they make things that aren't quite as good as they thought they'd be.
Based on what I've always been told about contests, the only thing that matters is your photographs and text.Those are the sole determinants of whether or not your project is original and thereby eligible (assuming the subject fits the contest).
This is about all there is to it--and I'm not even sure the activity feed would be something for the public.These changes were not needed to be so radical. In making them what they are, things have been worsened.
"I also can't set "Set promoted items" to work, either in Firefox or Chrome. I click the button and it just brings up a pop-up window with the same 5 Instructables that are already there - none of my other ones are available to swap in. Hopefully that's just a bug that will be fixed soon."It did not catch for a while when I set it either; after some time, it did show up. I think the system is just running on a bit of lag."Also not crazy about the news-feed ish feature (I've seen complaints in other threads about how it's pretty cluttered by things like people favoriting individual projects, as opposed to activity by the author); or how if you go to "All Instructables", all the sort options are gone. Maybe they did this as a way to help less-popular projects get a leg up, since if people are sorting by views and popularity all the time, that creates a feedback loop where the less popular ones never get any exposure?"The only vaguely positive change was the featured content selection capability. Considering that the costs for it were huge (fewer instructables shown, not indications for how many projects/subscribers the user has, the elimination of patches and the generally unintuitive design of the page), it was clearly not worth it. I am sure that they could have integrated the function to the old layout, as they should have. Instead, we got this.
Mobile works the same as desktop. There is no big difference to them except that even less content from the viewer is visible upon loading the page (only about 1.5 instructables versus 5).I am not sure as to whether or not many people wished for changes like these--but if they did, they have only confirmed that they should not be trusted with such responsibilities. This was not a good development. Once again content has been deemphasized and made a sideshow. Makers have a harder time showing off their content and viewers have a hard time finding it. There is nothing of any substantial value in this new design.
"They probably click on your Instructable thinking that they're going to get a "fold this part, now fold that piece like that. Now flip it upside down, and fold that in half"."Some of my very early efforts were similar to that due both to the far greater simplicity of designs at the time, as well as an inattention to preciseness. As things have gotten a bit more precise, more detailed instructions have become crucial for success. People need to understand that although things may look elaborate at a glance, for the most part this is only looks--not actuality.What they then see is extremely detailed Instructions, which are not they were looking for. Simple. They should have searched on YouTube...I have put serious consideration into making video tutorials for my aircraft; however, thus far I have not actually done it because time spent making such tutorials is time taken away from research and development of new aircraft and the Instructable tutorials for them. To me making tutorials when written/photographic instructions exist is unnecessary duplication. Yes it'd be great to have all of these things--but if there is significant cost to implementing the duplication, it may not be worth it.
"Exactly. Less can be more, but when it happens so many times, it's pretty discouraging... I know what you're talking about."Regarding things that are not equal as equal only provides incentive to go with whatever is acceptable, not what's best."I've seen the comments that you're talking about. Everyone get these once in awhile. Your Instructables get quite a bit of those, which means that you probably attract more of the average internet user, whose IQ is very, very low."I ascribe it to viewers being a little overly eager to finish or realize the goal of the project, rather than handling it in a calm and timely manner. Being that a large fraction of my viewers are undoubted young, this isn't entirely unexpected, though it does become grating when the instructions should be perfectly sufficient but go unheeded.
You couldn't have worded it better.
It shows on your page that you posted an this Instructable. Sorry, but this is called a Forum Topic...
What's wrong with the link of this forum topic? Why is it like that?
My first reaction to the page was incredulous. I could not believe that they would clutter profile pages with such useless things. Then I checked around and found that indeed things were really as they appear.It doesn't bode well.
The entire system appears to operate with a certain bit of lagging.Originally I was going to note the same thing in the thread I made; by the time I was getting ready to publish that thread, the promoted instructables had been captured and put into place as I had laid them out.
They are no longer visible to the public. With that, I'd say it's fair to label them worthless.
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