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Eating Meat and Overpopulation Answered

I'm not try to start a flame war just wanna bounce some Ideas around. If everyone stopped eating meat and animal products (total vegan). What would happen to the animal population. I think at first it would increase dramatically, then after humans started to consume more and more fruits and vegetables there would be a shortage of food ether for humans or animals (most likely animals). Which would cause a sharp decrees in animal population (possible extinction of species lower on the chain). Or if there is not enough fruits and vegies for humans, they will be forced to eat animals. What do you think?

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11010010110 (author)2009-02-17

animals are raised in farms for meat animals have to eat too if everyone stopped eating meat (ie finish the existing animals and not raise any more) we'd just be left with huge amounts of fields (mostly crop fields) which are way more than what the entire humanity needs the fields area could be used to reduce load on existing fields (cancelling the need to overclock them) and switch more or all of the agriculture to organic. and still they would make more food than the entire humanity needs (including third world countries which are starving to death now) the really excess area of fields could be converted to forests (plants and especially trees convert co2 to oxygen)

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westfw (author)110100101102009-02-18

I gotta ask. Isn't "organic" farming somewhat dependent on the meat industry? Is there a separate movement that avoids traditional fertilizers like manure (bone meal, fish meal, blood meal, etc, etc, etc...) One of those inconvenient truths? Up there with veal being an "obvious" side effect of the dairy industry?

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11010010110 (author)westfw2009-02-18

maybe there are different defnitions of organic to me organic means something that grows with just water and compost without chemicals and no one tries to make the plants grow faster than what they want themselfes. example - oranges and lemons i pick myself from the tree outside this has nothing to do with the meat industry i dont know what organic means in animal products

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PKM (author)110100101102009-02-26

From TFOAW:
Organic foods are made according to certain production standards, meaning they are grown without the use of conventional pesticides and artificial fertilizers, free from contamination by human or industrial waste, and processed without irradiation or food additives.

Most certifications allow some chemicals and pesticides to be used, so consumers should be aware of the standards for qualifying as "organic" in their respective locales.

Organic farming in the "no petroleum-derived nitrogen fertiliser" could well include animal-derived fertiliser, ie manure or blood&bone (yes, exactly what it says on the tin, deliciously rich in minerals). Without a livestock industry at all these things would be scarce...

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11010010110 (author)PKM2009-02-26

i am sure enough that enough stuff can be used besides animal or ecologically bad fertilizers

the fact not all animals are ever listed on the tin is another issue. some tests that can show up stuff :

if it is something obviously veggie (like vegetables)

if you know how it is made (like pita bread)

if it says cholesterol = 0 then it does not contain eggs

if it says kosher it does not contain direct blood products

if it says kosher parve it does not contain meat (except possibly fish meat) or milk products

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gmoon (author)110100101102009-02-18

There's a certain amount of sense to this... Vegetables have a much smaller carbon footprint (yaaaa overused jargon) than livestock--particularly beef (although chicken's not too bad.) And the relative waste in terms of calories per acre is weighed pretty heavily in the veggie's favor. I'm not saying it's the moral imperative, or a step necessary for survival...(yet.) Personally, I have no intention of giving up my omnivorous ways anytime soon, but it's something worth thinking about.

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NachoMahma (author)2009-02-17

. Since most food animals are raised, not hunted, ppl would just stop raising those animals. Shouldn't have much of an effect on wild animals. The land used to raise grain for feed could be used to grow veggies for humans.

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TheCheese9921 (author)NachoMahma2009-02-25

haha, I never thought about it that way, thanks

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Except I'd have to shoot more wild animals to get my burger fix ;-)

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That's exactly what I was thinking!!!

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thematthatter (author)2009-02-18

Animals are raised in smaller fields/feed lots than plants so you wouldnt get a whole lot extra space by not raising animals for food. Also it would be difficult geographically to be growing fruits and vegetables in these empty fields. So you would have a whole bunch of land go to waste growing brush and weeds that will just catch fire one day and get out of control. Also organic farming isnt the most economical or efficient use of valuable land or other resources. Especially if your cutting meat out of peoples diet and putting a heavy load on the Fresh Fruit and Veggie market.

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purduecer (author)2009-02-17

If worst comes to worst, there's always cannibalism...

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purduecer (author)NachoMahma2009-02-18