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George Orwell is a genius Answered

I haven't finished it yet (40 pages to go) but from reading 1984...I have discovered just how amazing he is...for those of you who have read it, [part 3 of] 1984 is to me as the book is to Winston. If you haven't read the book, read the spark notes of sections 1 and 2, then read section 3.

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Red Brass (author)2007-10-23

Understand Jessyratfink who is looking for literature not information. 'S ok. Read 1984 and Animal Farm summer 1950. Wow! But really wanted to trust people. A 1985 divorce cured that. Orwell had it right. And so did Gilbert and Sullivan.

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jessyratfink (author)2007-09-14

You guys aren't going to like me anymore... but I must confess. I HATE 1984. And it's not just that it's rubbed me wrong in a high school English class. I've read it three times now. I don't like any of the characters. I thought the overall idea was good, and very interesting, but I seriously hated every character in the book... there was nothing to hold my attention. I'm the same way with Clockwork Orange. I realize the statements both books are making, and I want to like them, but I just can't! Lord of the Flies > Clockwork Orange > 1984 :)

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zachninme (author)jessyratfink2007-09-14

Lord of the Flies was bad too XP (Thats a disgusted face, in this case, not a laughing one) Also, any book they make you read is going to suck, just because you're going to go over every last detail. Best thing to do is get a list of books you'll read that year, and read them all before hand (or at least the good ones)

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Firebert010 (author)zachninme2007-09-15

LotF was pretty good, in my opinion. I heard they made a movie out of it. Is this true?

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KentsOkay (author)zachninme2007-09-14

Lord of the Flies rocks
and its (>_<)

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lemonie (author)jessyratfink2007-09-14

1984 isn't meant to be a nice place. But, you hated Winston, what did he do to engender this? ('hate' as opposed to 'didn't like') L

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jessyratfink (author)lemonie2007-09-14

He is quite possibly one of the most annoying characters I've ever had the honor of meeting. He's cowardly and his feelings towards other people can be absolutely revolting. He's so stuck in his own head and all he does is mess things up and act awkwardly for the entire book. I never say anything in him that I would describe as admirable. I realize that he is a product of his society, but I suppose I was hoping for more when it came to the hero of the book. I was hoping for some change in his demeanor, some flicker of hope... something, anything! And yet it was just the same feelings of despair and angst through the entire book. Just thinking about it makes me disgruntled. :P I really do like the whole idea of the book though - I love the way Orwell created his government, I love the propaganda, how the society is set up - I find all of that very interesting. I just think Orwell made terrible character choices. But I do plan on trying Animal Farm and seeing if I like that one. :)

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lemonie (author)jessyratfink2007-09-15

Haven't read it (only bits) saw a film version once. I suppose I should read some of these things, thanks for the insight. I would suggest that the whole thing is meant to be desperate and angst ridden, I believe he was quite ill & miserable while writing it... L

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Weissensteinburg (author)lemonie2007-09-14

That's because 1984 is a place.

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Did you mean "isn't" rather then "is a place" ? ;-)

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KentsOkay (author)jessyratfink2007-09-14

I completly agree! Reading it was like a long drawn out screem.
YYAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
It appears you like Lord of the Flies, why? boykind killing himself off?

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jessyratfink (author)KentsOkay2007-09-14

Well, Golding is a better writer, first of all. Secondly, I felt as though I could relate to the characters in LotF. I developed an emotional attachment and I care about what happened to them. That never happened with 1984 because I found every character so unlikeable. SUCKS TO YOUR ASS-MAR! :D

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Some classics just don't take because many of the ideas are so commonly referenced that the original becomes cliche.

And some are just plain dated. I've been reading Stranger in a Strange Land and man is it awful. I have a masochistic side and I want to finish it just to know it's bad. Same thing happened with Infinite Jest. Read the whole thing just to have a convincing argument with a close friend.

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Same with me, I'm being made to read Wuthering Heights at the moment, and there's just too many words in each statement. Normally i love reading, but there has to be something in it for me.

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. Gasp! SiaSL is awful?!?!?!? That's tantamount to sacrilege! LOL . Been about ten years since I last read it. I'll have to dig it out and see if I still like it.

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Y'know, it's been on my list for a looong time. So when I saw a new copy on sale for $6 I grabbed it. I'm about 3/4 of the way through and it's been doing nothing for me. It has a lot of interesting insights and the political intrigue games that Jubal plays are fun to follow, but the Man from Mars is a bit of a lunk so far. Now that it's just him and Jill on the road it's lost it.

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Goodhart (author)jessyratfink2007-09-14

I simply could not get through the "Lord of the Flies", myself. Despite some interest in the concepts, it just left me in a state where I had to continually wake myself. The same thing happened within the first few pages of 2001: A Space Odyssey. I loved the movie, but could not read the book (which is very odd for me).

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its a lion (author)jessyratfink2007-09-14

if it makes you feel any better, i was the only person in my english class that actually did like the book. hmmm i need to read those other two. first i have to find where i put misery... which by the way i like, i just misplaced it. thanks for recommending it to me.

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Mr. Rig It (author)2007-09-14

I read it some years ago, just as the Internet came around. I have to say I found it very dry but I just kept on reading because it was supposed to be a classic. In the end I really found that I like the book over all. The foresight By George Orwell was astounding. The ideas in the book are self evident in today’s society. For example the current Presidential Administration speaks in "double speak" and tries to rewrite history right in front of our faces. Pres W. taps our phones and computers and says it is for the good of the nation and we will be attacked and killed, as well as lose our freedoms if we don't accept his way of thinking. The Pres. and his republican friends even go so far to brand you a tractor if you disagree with him or his war. Yeah I might have to agree "George Orwell is a genius". And W is a fool.

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Mr. Rig It (author)Mr. Rig It2007-09-14

Sorry they don't brand you a tractor LOL I meant traitor. ROFL

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sbtroy (author)2007-09-14

I recommend Brave New World by Aldous Huxley as an interesting parallel to 1984. It's free online.

My radio show in college was called Soma Holiday.

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fungus amungus (author)sbtroy2007-09-14

That book rocks! Also recommended are plenty of books by Philip K. Dick.

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Brennn10 (author)2007-09-14

I think we are going to read that this year.

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its a lion (author)Brennn102007-09-14

its different. i think its one of those you either love or hate. i personally loved it. everyone else in my class despised it.

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Goodhart (author)2007-09-13

I know this is kind of off topic, but has anyone read "The Third Wave" by Alvin Toffler ?

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NachoMahma (author)Goodhart2007-09-13

. No. But I read "Future Shock" when it came out in paperback (circa '72). To tell the truth, I don't remember anything about it, so I must not have been too impressed with it. I think it was one of those pfffft-that's-obvious kind of books.
. If you haven't seen it already, Wikipedia has a nice writeup on him.
. Not that far off topic. At least compared to some I've seen (and posted heehee). I think both authors are widely described as futurists.

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Goodhart (author)NachoMahma2007-09-14

Yes, I read that one first too. The 3rd Wave, is his followup on Future Shock. He misses an awful lot of things in that second book (I believe it was out in the early '80`s ...1984 ?).

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zachninme (author)2007-09-14

Yes, yes he is. Whatsisface and I were talking about it in some other thread, but it was spoilerific, so I wouldn't peek.

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Patrick Pending (author)2007-08-14

In 1984 Big Brother was the all seeing and all powerful Icon of the totalitarian state of Oceania. In 2007 he's a cheesy voice in the diary room of a crappy reality TV show! Those are the breaks! One minute your at the top the next you're scraping a living.

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. ROFLMAO! . . I'm not sure which is worse - Big Brother or reality TV. ;)

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Sandal Man (author)2007-08-12

this may sound stupid but try reading Dickens. i haven't read much of it personally but from what i have read its been very good. it is also incredibly in depth and descriptive but not too muchwhilst being funny witty and incredibly deep.

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lemonie (author)Sandal Man2007-08-12

? Have you read any George Orwell? I love the "i haven't read much of it personally but-" L

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Sandal Man (author)lemonie2007-08-13

i've read animal farm but i thought that had already been covered. i've seen war of the worlds (new and old), not read the book-yet-buut have been told it's brilliant

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lemonie (author)Sandal Man2007-08-13

The War of The Worlds was H G Wells (also The Time Machine). Full text online (it seems).
All I meant was ther's a big difference between Dickens & Orwell.

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Sandal Man (author)lemonie2007-08-14

soz i no but i was just giving ideas for alternate reading, and you'd be surprised at the number of people who haven't read dickens! anyway just got confused with H.G.Wells and orwell due to their similar names.

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acer73 (author)2007-08-13

Legends of the Fall is supposed to be a good book, I heard it only has one line of dialog in it.

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LasVegas (author)2007-08-11

Believe it or not, the original manuscript title was 1948, only 10 years after it was to be published. Orwells editors advised that it was too dated, so he reversed the last two digits. While it's now very dated, it's still a masterpiece of political fiction.

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acer73 (author)LasVegas2007-08-12

Well his editors made a wise choice because it would probably cause panic and chaos back then. Still people most likely cringed during the year 1984 or feared the goverment.

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chase!! (author)acer732007-08-12

And why shouldn't the people have reason to fear the government? While I believe the government should fear the people, the people should always fear the government getting out of control; the founding fathers would have wanted it like that. One of my biggest worries is that the government of the US will never have that fear again.

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LasVegas (author)acer732007-08-12

Nah... I don't think many expected a world like that in '84. I did like the one thing in '84 that was most inspired by the book; That would be the first Macintosh commercial during the Superbowl.

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Andrew546 (author)LasVegas2007-08-12

It may be an old book but its rather scary how much it resembles the world of today.

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acer73 (author)Andrew5462007-08-12

No it does not resemble most governments, yes there are still censors but London have video cameras, but thats only to crack down on crime. So far I don't think any government will become like that anytime soon.

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Andrew546 (author)acer732007-08-12

I never said today is a carbon copy of the reality presented in the book. However, some governments do have elements of the government in the book, just they are much more subtle. The government in the book was so extreme just to more clearly and disturbingly illustrate the underlying ideas.

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Lextone (author)2007-08-12

1984 predicted "New Speak" which Internet and text messaging has done to the vocabulary of generations to come. It also forcasted the control of information, especially on the Internet and TV. 1984 is a great book. If you enjoyed that, read Fahrenheit 451.

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acer73 (author)Weissensteinburg2007-08-12

The ending was sad, they didn't really even talk.

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CameronSS (author)2007-08-12

"Animal Farm" is good too. My mom has an old button that reads "The Patriot Act is sooo 1984." I didn't get it until I read the book this summer.

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Yeah, we read animal farm a 1-3 years ago, can't remember when.

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