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Gluing PVC sheet: Can you identify 'this' glue? Answered

I am gluing black pvc sheet - I presume its pvc, although not 100% certain, it has that distinctive 'new beach ball' smell to it. 
I'm prototyping right now, and I want to do more stuff like this - and will likely post an instructable - trouble is it walks a fine line of 'family friendly'/sfw.

Either way; I used Lepage Flexible Plastic adhesive.  It worked quite well, and has proven to be quite strong and flexible so far...Works like a contact cement, but stays very flexible.  No mention on the packaging exactly what type of glue it is though.  My question:  What type of glue is this? 

Characteristic acetone volatile smell, works like contact cement.  Package says apply, let dry to touch ~10-30 minutes then close surfaces.  I find it's dry to the touch within a minute or three. (extremely dry climate + warm room I was working in).

Rationale:  It's expensive, 4 bucks for 30mL, and I'd rather have a can-container to dip a brush in.  At the hardware store they have plain-ol contact cement, but the transparent/flexible aspect of this is must.
Thanks in advance!

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Jack A LopezBest Answer (author)2010-01-26

PVC pipe cement might work, as this stuff is designed for dissolving/bonding PVC pipe.  The main advantage I can think of is that this stuff is a lot cheaper than the stuff you mention. You'll probably be able to get about 10 times as much for the same price, e.g. circa 300 mL for 4 USD.  It's found in the plumbing section of Earth's finer hardware stores. 

Here are some links to a popular brand. Their MSDS page might give some clues to what it's made of, if you're wondering about that.
http://www.oatey.com/Plumber/Shared/ProductGroup/1/Regular+Cements+and+Primers.html
http://www.oatey.com/Plumber/Shared/ProductResource/MSDS_Sheets.html

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frollard (author)Jack A Lopez2010-01-26

My only trouble with it might be the flexibility of the joint - must be as if its not there :D

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Jack A Lopez (author)frollard2010-01-26

I can't say if it will work or not, but you asked for something similar and cheaper.  My suggestion is just a guess.  I say it's up to you to try it out, if you can find the time and/or courage to do so. 

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frollard (author)Jack A Lopez2010-01-26

Tis very true; apologies, I forgot to thank you in the last reply - it really came across as you helping and me slapping you in the face :(

Thank you!  I will do a little more research and probably try a few of these.

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Jack A Lopez (author)frollard2010-01-27

OK.  Forget what I said about PVC cement, I think what you need is a high powered RF-source. A few KW at around 30 MHz should do it. That way you can make the seams in your black-vinyl gimp-suit (or whatever it is) the same way the pros do.  The following article gives an overview of how this is done:

http://www.devicelink.com/mddi/archive/99/12/003.html

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frollard (author)Jack A Lopez2010-01-27

LOL, you get best answer just for that :D

I was also contemplating just plain-ol' heat sealing.

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buffaloman (author)2010-06-25

I build yurts for a living and use pvc impregnated fabric. We use HH-66 vinyl cement to bond the fabrics. Your description matches what I use very closely. I purchase from Rochford supply. comes in pints quarts and gallons. Hope I helped even if it was a bit (6months) late.

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frollard (author)buffaloman2010-06-25

Still looking for good products! I'll have to look that one up! Thanks! The stuff I have is technically pond liner, but I'm sure its PVC, solid core no fabric -- should work just fine :D

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RavingMadStudios (author)2010-01-25

My imagination is running in several directions at once over what kind of borderline NSFW Instructable might involve black PVC and solvent-based adhesive. This promises to be very interesting.

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The intentional not-very-freudian slip.  I was fishing for a comment on that :D

I figure for the sake of the site I have to leave it to 'how to glue pvc seams"   ;)
Kink doesn't go over well with 100% of the crowd, and it's a flame war waiting to happen.

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You could skirt the issue a bit by presenting it as costuming. Seems like Kate Beckinsale has a very nice PVC catsuit in the Underworld movies....

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...pretty sure that's latex, but I've been known to be wrong.

I don't think I have the patterning/skillset to make a catsuit...think more simple + restrictive. :D

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Really? Looks awfully shiny to be latex, but yeah, I could be wrong too. I used to work in a shop that sold similar items, and all the really shiny stuff was PVC. That was a long time ago, though. I suppose latex technology has improved a bit since then.
I was just throwing Underworld out as an example anyway. I just meant that whatever it is you are making, someone in a movie or anime has probably worn something like it as a costume. It's all about the spin. It would be a shame to make something really cool/well-constructed and only be able to present the seam-gluing technique. As a kink item, you may run into objections, but you can get away with murder if it's a cosplay item, too.

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lol - may have to extend the corset instructable then :D

You're right about most pvc being extremely shiny - this stuff I have is actually somewhere between dull and semi-gloss; still has a sheen to it, but no reflections.

With polish either product will gleam like a mirror.

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lemonie (author)2010-01-25

It's some kind of synthetic polymer (plastic) dissolved in MEK. You might think of dissolving plastic in solvent, but it's reasonable to assume Henkel are charging a lot because it's a "special" and maybe "secret" plastic?

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frollard (author)lemonie2010-01-25

Brilliant idea to look up the msds :D...

Now...finding an 'organic polymer solvent blend'...

Thanks!


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lemonie (author)frollard2010-01-25

I think tyre-puncture-repair glue is latex in solvent, so I'd have a guess that PVC in ketone might do it. But PVC requires a lot of plasticiser to be flexible, so maybe it isn't...

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