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H2G2 Anyone? (aka Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) Answered

Yes well, I was reading "The Salmon of Doubt", Douglas Adam's posthumously published work, and it kept giving me links to h2g2.com, so I figured I'd check it out. AS it turns out it seems alive and well, and I was wondering if any other Ibler's had accounts there.

on another note I know it's a bit random but I don't think Arthur Dent, Trillian, Random, and Ford Prefect are dead... *sigh* I guess I will never know what fate befell them, what a bloody nasty cliffhanger, one that doesn't have a conclusion...

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xACIDITYx (author)2008-06-17

I recently joined! Recently as of 10 minutes ago and already posted my first article.

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KentsOkay (author)xACIDITYx2008-06-17

Just read it, not bad at all.

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xACIDITYx (author)KentsOkay2008-06-17

Really? Aww, thanks *shuffles feet around* how did you find my Page?

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KentsOkay (author)xACIDITYx2008-06-17

Got to your main page, then clicked the link to it.

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xACIDITYx (author)KentsOkay2008-06-17

How did you get to my homepage, though?

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xACIDITYx (author)KentsOkay2008-06-17

Hmm... I can't find myself when I do that. Maybe you have to be logged in to search for people.

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Kiteman (author)2008-06-10

I wrote for h2g2, it's the BBC's nearly-a-wiki encyclopaedia.

It's OK, but it's limited by the lack of images - that's partly how I ended up here.

Here is an out-of-date list of my articles. "Edited" means they have been given a going-over by one or more of the Powers That Be and accepted as "proper" entries to the guide.

The kiting articles won me my "Field Researcher" badge, and were the source of my online identity.

I notice that only two entries come up in a search for Instructables - mine and a certain rocket scientist...

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PKM (author)Kiteman2008-06-10

A summary of all scientific evidence for creationism

Oh my god- Kiteman, you are my new hero :D

The Vardy thing is beyond the pale though. I can't believe that after sending them the text of that speech they thought it was sufficient to write the school a letter and say "Are you being bad and teaching YEC in science classes?". I thought my school was bad enough because it made us take RE GCSEs and used the lord's prayer in assemblies at least three or four times a year. I'm ashamed on behalf of our bureaucracy-that-passes-for-government.

I can't believe they kept repeating that "broad and balanced curriculum" thing as well. There are six words out of that speech that pretty much puts two fingers up at "balanced curriculum"- "infallibility of the Biblical historical narrative". I'm stunned.

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Kiteman (author)PKM2008-06-10

I believe the chap that made that speech is no longer at the school, but Vardy himself is a Creationist.

As for your assemblies, it is still a legal requirement for all UK state schools to have at least five minutes of whole-school Christian worship every day.

Fortunately, it is a rule generally ignored by most schools (our hall is too small to fit the whole school in unless we stack the year fives on the stage, and the only time assemblies have mentioned god was when the inspectors were in).

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Labot2001 (author)Kiteman2008-06-10

it is still a legal requirement for all UK state schools to have at least five minutes of whole-school Christian worship every day.

Hmm, as a firm believer in the principle of the separation of Church and State, I see that to be somewhat unconstitutional... At the very least students and staff should have the option of declining an invitation to pray? Not everyone is Christian, and not everyone wants to be.

At our school, we have "60 Seconds of Silence", which is not necessarily for any specific purpose, although here in the Bible Belt many students and teachers to use the opportunity to say a silent prayer. Labot approves of this.

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NachoMahma (author)Labot20012008-06-11

. I like the Moment Of Silence idea. If a student wants to spend it in silent prayer, fine; if not, that's OK, too (they can spend it thinking about the cute boy/girl next to them). . I do think that Separation of Church and State can go too far. I recently read that a HS valedictorian was forbidden to mention God in her speech at graduation ceremonies. I'm an atheist (and a strong proponent of SoC&S;), but if that poor girl wants to thank God for helping her graduate with honors, I say she's earned it. And _she_ is not The State, after all.

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Labot2001 (author)NachoMahma2008-06-12

@ I do think that Separation of Church and State can go too far. & etc. >>> That is too far. I also "heard" (though never confirmed myself) that Pepsi is making an Independence Day bottle and printing the Pledge on it, minus the "One Nation under God". Not everyone in the US believes in God and I acknowledge that, but this country was founded as "one Nation under God". Taking God out of the pledge is breaking American tradition. Labot does not approve.

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Kiteman (author)Labot20012008-06-12

I understand* that the nation was not founded as "one Nation under God", and that the idea was specifically excluded from the constitution, hence the separation of church and state.

Technically, no matter what GWBush likes to think, the USA is a secular nation, and deliberately so.

*From Dawkins

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Labot2001 (author)Kiteman2008-06-12

*flinches*

Wait...what?? Dawkins? Secular?

And, allow me to apologize for what I had been told as a child. A quick wikisearch told me that our Pledge wasn't written until 1892 - more than 100 years after the country was founded!

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NachoMahma (author)Labot20012008-06-12

. I think it would still qualify as a tradition. ;)
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. Most of the Founding Fathers subscribed to some religious faith. Why, even in the Bill of Rights,Freedom of Religion comes before Freedom of Speech. "... make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or ..."
. Most of the FFs were Christians, hence the mention of God in the Declaration of Independence. "... the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them ..." But this is the only place I have found God spelled out in the Constitution or Declaration. In the next paragraph the phrase "endowed by their Creator" is used - acknowledging a Supreme Being, but not endorsing any particular faith. What I'm getting at is I think the use of the Christian deity in the first instance was an unconsious "social bias" that was rectified by the second. .If the FFs (and American society in general) had been of a non-Christian faith, I'm sure they would have substituted that deity for God.
. Which brings me to the point that while the FFs did not want to endorse any particular religion (or the lack thereof), this country was created by ppl of faith and is based on religious (primarily Christian) principles. Certainly, no religion should have undue sway in government (and the FFs seemed to be well aware of that), but it is impossible to totally isolate the two.

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Labot2001 (author)NachoMahma2008-06-12

Exactly! Seriously, near most everything you just said made perfect, acceptable sense to me.

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KentsOkay (author)Labot20012008-06-12

*agrees* Except your missing the fact the world was created by a great and wonderful entity that resembled spaghetti and meatballs...

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PKM (author)NachoMahma2008-06-11

I don't know how that rule is even still on the books, personally. My school blatantly disregarded it (except when the inspectors were in, as per usual) and
- we had a very christian headmaster
- the school as a whole liked their religious stuff
- this was in deepest darkest rural Devonshire- the school had (to my knowledge) no Jews, no Muslims, no Hindus, no Sikhs, no black people, no brown people... the whole "multiculturalism" deal hasn't percolated down that far.

On the few occasions the Lord's Prayer was trotted out we were reminded that "assembly is defined as daily collective worship" and that if we didn't want to join in, we didn't have to.

Nacho, I'm in two minds about the example you mentioned- of course, if she wants to thank God on her own behalf, that's cool, but presumably making a speech as valedictorian she was speaking on behalf of the class, some of whom presumably might not want her thanking God on their behalf. I'm sure you can imagine the ruckus it would cause if, under some different circumstances, the speech had gone "and I'd like to thank Allah for helping all these students through their schooling".

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NachoMahma (author)PKM2008-06-11

> as valedictorian she was speaking on behalf of the class
. Yeah. You're wrong, but I can see where you're coming from. ;)
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. Anybody that would be incited to ruckus by a student saying that about ANY deity is stoopid. I can't see abridging someone's freedom of speech over stupidity.
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. I guess I just don't see having to sit through a short "sermon" by a student to be an actionable infringement of my freedom from religion. Ya gotta have a little give-and-take. Whether I am a believer or not, religion is an important part of MANY peoples' lives.

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Kiteman (author)Labot20012008-06-11

The UK is different - don't forget, our head of state is also the head of our national church.

We don't even have a specific constitution. We have people who are experts in our constitution, but we don't actually have a constitution, just a huge vault of records of how we've always done it.

That's why there's uproar whenever something new happens - if there's no precedent, how do we (Authority) know what to think?

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Lithium Rain (author)Kiteman2008-06-12

Heh. Gotta love bureaucracy!

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xACIDITYx (author)Kiteman2008-06-11

I thought youLeft the building

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Kiteman (author)xACIDITYx2008-06-11

I still need to go back occasionally and check for vermin, though.

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xACIDITYx (author)Kiteman2008-06-11

Yeah, I suppose so.

On a side note, I had no idea what YEC was. I love wikipedia.

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NachoMahma (author)Kiteman2008-06-10

. What was the outcome of Vardy? I didn't see anything past episode 12. . > ... before we end up in as bad a state as certain American states. . I don't know whether to feel insulted or ashamed. ;)

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Kiteman (author)NachoMahma2008-06-10

The Vardy Foundation schools blanked me, even through pseudonyms, and denied all knowledge of the speech to other parties.

Ofsted wiggled out of it - as long as Creationism wasn't being taught on the day of the visit, they were happy.

However, I have since received personal letters from both Boris Johnson (yes, that Boris) and Lord Adonis, Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Schools stating that the teaching of Creationism as either fact or science in UK schools is specifically excluded from the National Curriculum, and is not acceptable in any UK school.

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Kiteman (author)Kiteman2008-06-10

(Oh, I left the various contact details on the emails & what-not, if anybody else fancies a stab at them)

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NachoMahma (author)Kiteman2008-06-10

. I would give it a go, but I don't think they would pay much attention to a certain American. Sounds like a good cause for those in the UK. . You have the attention of some influential ppl (PUSoSfS sounds impressive; I had to look up Johnson). You may not have toppled the tree, but you've pointed it out to the guys with the big axes.

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KentsOkay (author)Kiteman2008-06-10

Ahh! So that was you, I wasn't sure as you have mentioned there are several Kitemans running about the internet. I was planning on writing about pimples, but someones already done that so now I must think of something else to write about...

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Kiteman (author)KentsOkay2008-06-10

It's me, but I hardy ever go there, since they slaughtered the Science message boards. In fact, my space there starts with a re-direct to here.

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Labot2001 (author)2008-06-10

...Douglas Adam's posthumously published work...

Posthumously?? He's - dead??

Woah. My whole life just changed, right now. I see things... differently.

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KentsOkay (author)Labot20012008-06-12

Ugh you didn't know? I felt the same when when I found out...

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