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Herbst Appliance Answered

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cant believe the attention this has got.
either way i got my braces off...in august of 2008. Wednesday before school started.
Finally.
straight teeth finally, and i can eat! so great.
either way it still took like 5 or 6 years, too long.
Im just wearing an invisible retainer(behind my teeth, its glued in, its just a wire). Cant even feel it.
Just think- if you have braces- how good it will feel when you get them off...

OK, I have braces, meant to correct the spaces that were in between my teeth, and also, to move my lower jaw forward. I've had them for...5 YEARS! Needless to say, they JUST finished closing most of the gaps(again, after 5 years), and are working on moving my jaw forward. So, like almost every person I see with braces (well, some), I got rubber bands. I actually had a choice between them and the Herbst appliance. I picked the herbst-y thing, but they didn't have a part...so, blah blah blah, long story short, I got rubberbands until the part came in. So the part came in today, and I went for them to put it on, and after about an extremely boring hour, they were on. Anyway, It wasn't until then that I realized what (Insert bad word(s) here) things these were. I can't eat ( more specifically- chew), talk (clearly), or EVEN FULLY CLOSE MY MOUTH!.
i hate them.
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...on a lighter note, does anyone here have/had that herbst thing before?
Update- I got them off, and I'm wearing rubber-bands now.

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DylanS81 (author)2017-04-29

So it's been a long time since I last posted here. I got my Herbst appliance out 3 months ago. It was very painful for them to take it out, but now the pain that I was whining about before seems so trivial now so excuse my childish whining on my previous posts, please. By the way, I have braces and rubber bands now and they're so much better because I can take them out when I want to eat and they're not painful at all. All in all, the Herbst appliance WILL be worth it in the end, so deal with the struggles now, and you'll have a much better bite by the end of it.

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2128141 (author)2017-01-17

Ok so quick question. I only have my top and bottom parts for the herbst. I don't have my tubes and rods in yet, but the wire that connects the two top parts together is extremely painful. It is jamming into the roof of my mouth and is causing sores, cuts, and inflammation. I'm just wondering if this is a normal thing or if I should talk to my orthodontist.

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fionaustin (author)2016-12-23

Oh my ever freaking god. I am actually so mad right now. I got the herbst two days ago and I feel like my (enter curse word here) mouth is dying. I got mine right before Christmas which really sucks too. I can't fully close my mouth and I almost choked on trying to chew a pistachio the other day. I was sleeping over at my friends house last night and I had to go home to get soft food because I COULDN'T eat anything at their house. DO NOT GET THE HERBST STAY WITH RUBBER BANDS

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Alexandraishere (author)2016-11-14

I have had my herbst in for five months now. So far it has broken off three times and when I first got it I had a lisp, my tongue hurt, my mouth was sore, and my mom had to blend everything for a month. For those getting it for the first time these are just things you will have to live with and get used to. I can now pronounces my s's and people at school have gotten used to them in my mouth. What sucks is I drool so much making it so embarrassing in public and you have to swallow so many more times, and food gets stuck in my expander all the time. You can't each chewy things or crunchy things and after some visits they add metal things to your pole to give you more of an underbite. Overall though it's just something you have to bear and when it's over you will be so happy!

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MakBlakeley (author)2016-09-16

I'm 11 years old I got the herbst appliance 2 days ago it SUCKS! I already have a cold sore that has a hole in it. I can't eat. It bugs me so much. Hurt a ton my muscles are sore and my teeth hurt. The ortho said it was going to hurt for a while and I should eat soft food for the first 10 days then she said you should be able to eat solid foods; well she was lying none of that is true. So awful totally wouldn't recommend it. I am getting it off AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. So happy I'm getting it off. I look like a chipmunk some kid even felt the need to point it out "oh that's why your cheeks are so chubby" SO HORRIBLE.

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DylanS81 (author)2016-08-19

It was all their fault, they didn't put a bar to hold up the rods, which was causing my ulcer. Anyway, they're gonna put it in soon, wish me luck that this doesn't happen again ;)

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DylanS81 (author)2016-08-14

So, I'm back, and my gums healed so they put the goddamn Herbst back in (I had no choice) and guess what? It's only been a week since the Herbst has been put back in, and the EXACT SAME THING HAPPENED. I'm starting to think that it wasn't an infection or ulcer it's just the Herbst destroying my gums and cheeks. Anyway I'm getting it taken out AGAIN at 2:00pm today. It's currently 8:48am and I'm counting down. I'll update you on what happens later.

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SnoConeGlobe (author)2016-07-27

I got mine on today. So far the pain is only in my jaw, no sores in my mouth or anything yet. It hurts my jaw like crazy, though, even with the ibuprofen I took. Eating is basically impossible- even soup is hard to get down, and I can't chew at all. Wish me luck with this.

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HamiltonFan412 (author)2016-07-27

OMG! I flippin HATE this appliance!!!! I got this about a year ago. But it got loose and today they took it off and put it on again. I am in so much pain!? DQ blizzard here I come!

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DylanS81 (author)2016-07-24

I've had my Herbst appliance for 5 months now. About 2 weeks ago I noticed a small infection in my mouth. I thought it'd go away but it just got worse. I visited the orthodontist and they gave me some antiseptic toothpaste. After a week, the toothpaste made it 10 times worse so I stopped using it. Right now, the side of my mouth is so painful so I'm getting the appliance taken out (yay) for 1-2 weeks to let my infection heal. I've been thinking of taking it out permanently, so I've read what could happen. Minor damage to roof of mouth, small facial deformity. I don't care, this doesn't cause as much pain as the infections I've been getting. To all of you considering the Herbst appliance, DON'T GET IT! IT SUCKS! Get rubber bands, they're more comfortable and do the job only slightly less. Better than wasting money on something that makes you want to kill yourself.

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kylied11 (author)2016-06-29

Tomorrow I'm getting my expander off ( also known as the hyrax) and then they are putting the herbst in. I'm a little weary from reading some comments. Wish me luck!

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GabeT4 (author)2016-06-29

I got mine in today. I only have the herbts and braces, which font hurt that bad, but My main problem is a really bad lisp. I didn't have it before, but I do now. PLEASE can someone tell me if there is a way to stop the lisp!!!

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Jaderz (author)2016-03-29

I just got my Herbst appliance today, and I can't eat right at all. I also have TMJ which is when my jaw locks up and I'm in band which is making it to where I suck at playing. Anyways, I don't know what foods to eat, can someone list some foods?

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MedelSam (author)2016-03-24

if ur getting one or have one... it is absolute HELL it will annoy the crap out of you food gets stuck and it locks up all the time and ur jaw hurts so bad u will want to rip it out! u can't smile with out having bumps in the front of ur mouth from it and sometimes it makes ur teeth separate

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JosiahW5 (author)2016-02-25

I got mine yesterday it hurts but it's supposed to feel natural later

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brenbrooks (author)2014-12-02

i had a herbst appliance but i kept pulling it off. after 2 months of it in they replaced it with a herbst which goes on the teeth in front of it i got that one put on today and it hurts i wanna cry

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GabriellaM2 (author)brenbrooks2015-05-20

well then maybe you shouldn't have kept pulling it out!

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brenbrooks (author)GabriellaM22015-05-23

OKAY JUST READ ON THIS BECAUSE 5 MONTHS LATER WHICH IS TODAY THE WHOLE THING CAME OUT AND ITS HANGING OUT OF MY MOUTH'

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afehringer_ (author)2016-01-21

Okay I have braces, the herbst, and the expander thing. I just got that on two days ago. And let me tell you, it is the worst thing I have ever done. It is cutting up my tongue and the inside of my cheeks. It's so hard to even swallow without my tongue scratching the expander. My mouth is so sore I can't even begin to explain. Another thing is I can not chew to save my life !!! The herbst only alows my mouth to move a little , so there is so much pressure when I chew. After like 10 minutes of chewing the smallest bite, I try to swallow it , and guess what. Nothing goes down my throat. It all gets stuck in my expander and in the side of me cheek. So I have to use my finger to scoop it out which is really nasty. I haven't eaten anything in so long and I'm really hungry. Literally been living off of smoothies. I've cried like the whole time I have had it. I'm really thinking about going to the place and making them take it out, it's not even worth it to me. If you get it, good luck to you.

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Mackdawg (author)2015-08-04

they are kind of like when you first get braces when you stop using wax (which I don't think you can use with the herbst) your mouth will build up a callus and stop hurting (this is for people who find this later on)

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PereaciaC (author)2015-07-23

The appliance isn't all that bad, just try not to talk a lot for the first few days if you have trouble pronouncing certain words. The only bad thing that comes to mind thought is that the arms of the appliance can the arms come off easily (mine did within the first four days, but I kept them in the entire time) if they aren't tightened every visit. If they don't, ask them because then you will save yourself extra visits.

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Smile4life (author)2014-12-30

My Ortho gave me the choice between Twinblocks and Herbst, after the videos and demos she showed me I think I would like the Herbst appliance more. But after reading the comments, i'm not so sure. It seems like it hurts for everyone, for some people it's worse. I do not want to lose weight, and doesn't want to live off soup and yogurt. About halfway through having my Herbst appliance i'm supposed to get my braces. Apparently having elastic bands on my braces won't work because my overbite is too.... overbitey. Also It seems like you drool and talk awkwardly. (Oh gawd) That would be so annoying! Does everyone drool with the appliance on for the first days?

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KatelynB (author)Smile4life2015-06-13

i don't drool and i re-got mine on two days ago because i broke mine

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Smile4life (author)Smile4life2014-12-30

Do you think the Twinblocks would be better? They are so much bigger, and it seems like it would be harder to speak with them on.

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KatelynB (author)2015-06-13

i have the herbst appliance and then i broke them so they had to take them off. so i had them off for about 3 weeks and than a couple days ago i had to get them back on that day i really just wanted my teeth to be straight. but no i had it because you cant chew gumm or itwill take them out.

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jessica_sarai56 (author)2015-01-15

I got my herbst on just two days ago and cant eat or talk properly? Help?

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the first few days were the worst for me. Try eating non solid food. I hope it gets better. It did for me! :-)

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GabriellaM2 (author)2015-05-20

I got the Herbst appliance about a year ago. For me, it doesn't hurt as much as it's slightly uncomfortable. But good news, I'm getting it taken off in 4 hours!! :-)

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ash.nightlite (author)2015-04-28

your lucky they won't give me a choice I have to get the herbst device so woohoo

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LaurenV1 (author)2014-11-19

I just got my herbst on today and its stabbing me in the cheek hopefully going to get it fixed tomorrow! I was wondering if I will ever be able to eating solid food?

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rose.tran.180 (author)LaurenV12015-04-01

do you have braces with your Herbst appliance

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treyxn (author)LaurenV12014-11-23

Sorry man, but they can't fix the stabbing in the cheek, it just happens. I've had them for 6 months and you can eat solids about 3-5 days after an adjustment. They're not too bad just be careful with the little metal rings, as I swallowed one this morning.

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jean.pickle.1 (author)treyxn2015-01-01

So the stabbing in the cheek persists all throughout wearing them. On a side note, sometimes the Herbst appliance gets caught in your cheek and it hurts A LOT. So bad, you can"t eat without getting a pain in your mouth.

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sandray1 (author)2014-10-26

I got mine a week ago! Let me just it was the worst decision I made. I cant eat (literally) more specifically I can't chew at all. I've been basically eating yogurt and drinking smoothies all day. Not fun! Also when you get them it make you talk funny, spit when you say "s", make you have a lot of saliva, and makes your face appearance odd looking. It also makes you wake up during the night because of how much pain it gives you. To add on, it gives you sores on your gums and cheeks. I don't reccomen getting it.

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katirainbolt (author)sandray12015-03-04

how are you doing with your Herbst appliance I see you posted you got one 4 months ago. Is it better? My daughter needs one so I am inquiring.

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Veganfaery (author)2014-12-04

Hello. My 14 year old son got an expander put in today and he is pretty cranky. He's drooling and sucking back a ton of saliva, which I guess is normal? Not sure of the timeline for treatment, but right now he just wants this thing out of his mouth. I'm not sure how he's supposed to get adequate nutrition while undergoing treatment. So far today he's had a milkshake, a big smoothie, and a bowl of soup. He's a really active guy who usually eats a ton of food. I see mashed potatoes, hummus, soup, and smoothies in his future. I'm not sure when he gets the herpst, but it's next.

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weatherwiz (author)2013-08-07

I got my herbst put in during May and I'm supposed to have them for 6 weeks.. which already passed, but they never took them out. Any ways, does the herbst appliance have some sort of effect on your brain since it's bringing your lower jaw forward and your jaw is connected to your brain. Just wondering cause honestly I'd rather have a "not effected " brain than straight teeth

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treyxn (author)weatherwiz2014-11-23

Just saying, you have to be pretty young; but no, the jaw is not attatched to the brain, So it won't affect anything.

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Blueapple819 (author)2014-08-13

PLZ HELP ME I AN SCARED I went to to my ortho appt 2 days ago and in 6 months i getting a herbst appliance and while I'm having it they are putting on braces after a year I am having it for 2 years. My question is WILL IIT HURT II MUST KNO PLZ RESPOND AND HELP

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treyxn (author)Blueapple8192014-11-23

No, I've had them for about 6 months and it doesn't hurt. It is sore for a little while but no pain. Eating is a little difficult until your jaw shifts after that its smooth sailing.

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terminallyCapricious (author)2014-08-21

I actually just got a herbst today, and am I the only one where my lower jaw like... twitches every couple minutes? Not quite sure how to describe it, but every time it happens, I feel like my teeth are about to be ripped out of my skull. So yeah, it kind of hurts. A lot.

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soccerstar0124 (author)2012-02-29

I got the Herbst Appliance 3 months ago and have about 4-5 more to go! during the first week, I chewed with my front teeth and tried a couple times with the back. It took a little getting used to and get this... the NIGHT after I got it put on, I have a band concert (I play the flute) and it SUCKED but I think I did alright. lol. one of the worst problems is that since I have all of this metal in my mouth, whenever I talk to my friends and say "S", I spit on them by accident ;{. Also, my jaw sometimes pops if I move it side to side but thats cuz it gets sore from just staying in the same spot for too long so I have to move it around. I hope anyone found this helpful!
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(P.S. have any pain killers like advil/tylenol/ibprophen/motrin etc. you will def need it!!!)

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Wait... You can actually play the flute with this on? All notes sound weird and I can't even do the low notes! Please teach!!!

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cdogbrave (author)soccerstar01242012-11-29

I think we're twins!! except the band thing. Everything you just said happens to me on a daily basis.

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awesome_sauce01 (author)2013-11-07

I'm 13, and I got my Herbst appliance not too awfully long ago, and I have two cousins stuck with the same curse.
My Herbst appliance rubbed my cheeks raw and bore holes where the four screws are, two on each side of my lips and two at the top. Not to mention, I have a palet expander, which irritated my tongue, giving me sores in 5 areas. I didn't have so much soreness of my teeth or jaw as did the huge, open sores that caused me to have trouble talking, eating, and pretty much everything mouth related.
Now, there is hope! I know the first few days are terrible, I couldn't even swallow drinks because every swallow meant my tongue rubbed against the expander, and it was very difficult to swallow any food because that stupid expander was in the way of any food making its way down. At first, it felt like there was literally no room for solid foods to be in my mouth, and there was way too much spit, like my mouth was a water balloon that never ran out of water.
BUT if you swish salt water (warm water stirred with regular table salt) in your mouth at least twice a day, brush your teeth, and then spray Medline Prevention burn and wound spray on it, you guys, my sores got a lot better. In fact, that's how I survive the first few weeks. Now, I know the prevention spray is for burns and stuff, but it's perfectly safe for your mouth and it helps a lot with the healing and the pain. If it gets really bad, take an ibuprofen.
I also used this thing called a Waterpik Ultra that's like this toothbrush hooked up to a tub of water, expect the toothbrush has all sorts of picks for cleaning in the spots where food gets stuck. It's kinda pricey ($45), but it was worth it for the ease of cleaning.
What else...oh! Dental wax! Yeah, I had no luck with the stuff. I tried the entire two packets full of wax my ortho gave me, and it never worked. I warmed it in my hands, dried the screw area before applying, even stuck it in the microwave, but it always ended up clumping off within a couple seconds and almost gagged on it several times. Not to put you down, it works for some people, but it didn't for me.
I ate lots of soup, especially plain broth when I was learning to swallow and chew, yogurt, pudding, water (obviously), but don't undereat! Eventually, after about the first week, I learned swallow a little better, although it never fully became normal. Still, the sores began to heal up after about two weeks, so don't think that because most people heal after five days that something is wrong, it will get better, I promise. I got mine on two days before Halloween, so I know how much it really sucks when you have about three choices of food, and you're starving but you can't eat a thing.
Just know that it will get better (and I feel bad saying this because everyone says that, right?), they really will, even if it always stinks. I mean, it still takes me an hour to eat a slice of pizza, but I'm only a few weeks in, and my cousin can eat tons of stuff.
Alright, well I've said a mouthful, so I'll get out of your hair. Hope you start to feel better, all you Herbsters!

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volleyballer143 (author)2010-10-28

hey guys:)
ok first of all im getting my hebst tomorrow and im feakin out man!!! mostley cuz halloween is 2 days away( btw: im being a baseball player!!!) and i already had my expander taken out when they did my impressions 2 days ago and will it hurt how long does it take to get it put on an what kind of my hallowwen goodies can i be able to eat soon???HELP!!!

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heaven33 (author)volleyballer1432013-02-09

i am getting my hebst in two days it is probably going to kill me if i don't die first God help me PS i cant stand soup or yogurt what can i eat

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ishipfourtris (author)heaven332013-07-05

try meal replacement shakes

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