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How would 'Rich' people live in The Green City?

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I've been asked, "How would Rich people live in my Green City?". Since The Green City is a forum for pure Freedom in every sense of the word (in a good way). Rich people could simply pay for what they want, or need in the Green City. But, it's also a place of serenity. Peace, not full of frustration or anger or hate. It's a good, safe, serene place to live. When I first began discussing The Green Cities possibilities, I started from the ground up. People that already have a lot of money, could simply build what they want in The Green City, but I'm sure as time went on, they would see the 'Good' of what the City is trying to accomplish and they would do whatever they could to help it. If you are Rich you could help shield the Green City from adversity by the power of your money, thus preserving the serenity of the City and the serenity of your home. Not to mention if you have family or friends in the City you would also be helping them out. This is NOT a city where a person can go and become a 'Bum' and live off of others. Everyone MUST contribute something or it is ALL for nothing. Freedom is NOT synonymous with lazy. But, good works can be done in a variety of ways. One does NOT have to work out in the field to do good with those around them. That's all the Green City is about, freedom and doing good to those around you. Simple. Go to: www.thegreencity1.com

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RedneckEngineer (author)2009-09-15

I really can't believe that people really think things like this are possible. If you total disregard human nature and what freedom means then you might come close. Of course this has been tried in a few countries (USSR,China,North Korea to name a few) all chasing after Utopia. The fallibility of humans is what will forever keep this out of reach.

PKM (author)RedneckEngineer2009-09-16

What does freedom mean? Epicurus (whose name has been unfairly turned into a synonym for excessive consumption, by the way) thought freedom was freedom from the shackles of economics and working to gain material possessions. He lived in a prototypical commune, considering freedom of thought and self-sufficiency to be more important than material wealth.

I don't buy the "fallibility of humans" bit. What we think of as "human nature" is dictated by society anyway, beyond the simplest of morals and desires, so who's to say this could necessarily never take off? 150 years ago in the states, having sex outside of marriage was considered a gross wrong but owning another human being was accepted without a second thought. To someone who actually lived in a city like this proposed "green city", we'd probably look as backward-looking as the people who think adultery deserves the death penalty do to us now.

Yes, in the past communist states have turned into totalitarian nightmares, but I think that tells you more about dictators than communists. Maybe it would work, maybe it wouldn't, but having a closed mind against the possibility of other forms of society and equating all collectivist ideas with the Coomunist Boogeyman will obviously doom them to failure.

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RedneckEngineer (author)PKM2009-09-16

If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck...it's probably a duck. Just ask the pigs, because all pigs are equal, just some are more equal than others.

PKM (author)RedneckEngineer2009-09-17

I'm not sure I get what you mean by those quotes. I mean, I understand the message of the quotes in isolation, but you'll have to clarify what you mean by them in this context. If it looks like a ___ it probably is a ____? Grand political ideas are open to hijacking by the power-hungry for their own ends?

PKM (author)PKM2009-09-17
Hm, that's what I get for no previewing comments...

If it looks like a ___ it probably is a ___?
RedneckEngineer (author)PKM2009-09-17

In this context what I was referring to is the whole idea of some Utopia is a false premise to begin with. The idea of the Green City as expressed is that everyone is welcome, can do whatever they want, and everyone will just get along, as long as you follow my rules. When you boil that down, "This is NOT a city where a person can go and become a 'Bum' and live off of others. Everyone MUST contribute something or it is ALL for nothing. Freedom is NOT synonymous with lazy." This statement alone is a restriction on someone's freedom. And who is the one or group that can dictate what I can or can not do. And that is where I referred to this as communist in its simplest form. Hence the DUCK. Now the pigs are the ones that set the rules or control my freedom "for the GOOD of all" And since power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely the PIGS that make the rules that as you said "turned into totalitarian nightmares". Read Animal Farm by George Orwell. It was written in 1945 and was dealing with these ideas as Stalin was in power in the USSR and it is still a glimpse into the "fallibility of humans" that you don't want to buy into. I came to this thread hoping to see something about how a "Green City" could be, not just for the rich or poor but for everyone. But it was another attempt to form a Utiopa that is in all intents and purposes a unachievable dream. All societies must have some foundation that everything is built upon. Whether its a moral code from a religion or a common interest such as self protection or greed. Somewhere along the way someone or a group, must create laws and they must be enforced, thus impinging on someone else's freedom to be a bum if they so choose.

lemonie (author)2009-09-13

To become a Citizen: Simply apply. Be willing to pay from $5000 to $10,000+ either in a form of money or assets. Pay $50 per month per adult (18 yrs. or older).
What exactly would you do with the money?


djwillie (author)lemonie2009-09-16

Oh, also the $50 or whatever was voted in by the Corporations share holders (the Citizens) would be used to pay property taxes and insurance and the lease on the land to the Land Owner.

djwillie (author)lemonie2009-09-16

The money would be used to build housing for the Citizens of The Green City. Also, it would be considered a share in the Corporation that the Citizens would set up as any City is incorporated, thus the Citizens would have full control over the city and have the means to build their common housing.