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Kite photographing the BP oil spill Answered

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GrassrootsMapping.org is a group of people who are documenting BP's oil spill with cameras held aloft by kites and balloons. Sometimes they even get a ride on a plane. All of the images produced with this method will be going into the public domain. It's cool stuff and the images are far better than anything else out there.

To keep the project going and cover the costs, they've set up a page on kickstarter to ask for donations. They've already passed their initial goal of $5,000, but it's a good cause and I hope they get plenty more than that. I pledged some money and wish them all the best.



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Brennn10 (author)2010-06-10

I'm surprised that they haven't been shot down by BP yet. I can't even watch the news anymore. The situation is so devastating and my heart goes out to the fishermen whose livelihoods are in complete jeopardy, and the environmental woes are equally as stomach churning.

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Goodhart (author)Brennn102010-06-12

And with all of the big wigs sitting around pointing fingers at one another, things won't change anytime soon. Early on, they needed to get some "input" from some of "thinking / making" public on fixing this. It COULD have been done quickly.

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lemonie (author)Goodhart2010-06-12

Your best idea for a quicker fix is-? L

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Goodhart (author)lemonie2010-06-12

well, one of my ideas was, after making the opening face upwards, as they did, the idea of a pipe pushed down inside would have worked better IF they included a heavy weight bladder that surrounded the pipe, like used to open arteries (only much heavier), to be inflated once inside the pipe deeply enough.....it could be inflated by remote as those are inside of arteries.

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Goodhart (author)lemonie2010-06-13

Well not exactly as stent IS a tube, what I mean is using the scaled up version angioplasty, not to open the "artery" but to plug the area surrounding the inserted tube.....so that the crude had to flow through the "extended tube".

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I honestly don't think they want a tight seal, not for some conspiratorial reason, but because it could be dangerous. Consider, they had to shut down the capture because the ship was struck by lightning, with a sloppy fit, they can just turn off the flow, no harm done. With a tight fit, they shut down the flow, all that kinetic energy has to go somewhere, and a pressure wave travels down the pipe, considering how degraded the well bore may be at this point, any shock, increase in pressure, whatever, could be very bad.

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It would only be as tight as it would hold. And it wouldn't seal off the flow, only prevent it from leaking up past the inserted pipe.

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Goodhart (author)Goodhart2010-06-16

In fact, if a tight fit causes problems, then the original pipe is called into question in my mind....and the whole process they use in the first place. No one in their right mind jumps out of an airplane and then tries to plan on how to "fix the current problem of dying at the end of the fall" on the way down.

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lemonie (author)Goodhart2010-06-14


Yep, I used the wrong word.
However, if you've got a few thousand PSI behind it, then it's not going to stay in there for long.

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Goodhart (author)lemonie2010-06-14

If it could be shoved low enough in the "pipe", i.e. like a "behind the wall fastener", it may not need as much pressure, as it needs to be sturdy.

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NachoMahma (author)lemonie2010-06-12

. I say put the military in charge of plugging the well, mitigating damage to the environment where possible, and reconstructing what they can.They are trained and prepared to handle these types of large-scale catastrophes. Look how things started happening when the military finally stepped in after Katrina.
.  Send the bill to BP.

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The military want to blow it up, well one guy does and he is apparently quite the problem solver. His subtly genius plan is to take a MOAB, oxygen and stick the two on the seabed then blow the problems to kingdom come, apparently sealing the well...

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Goodhart (author)killerjackalope2010-06-13

or blowing it wide open making it impossible to plug.....

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NachoMahma (author)Goodhart2010-06-13

.  heehee. I'm no Scientist, but that solution just doesn't sound like a very good one to me, either. Someone has watched (and didn't understand) Hellfighters a few too many times.

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Goodhart (author)NachoMahma2010-06-14

Blowing it up? No, that's what I meant by it making it impossible to plug.... As for my suggestion above with the pipe and bladder: First, I don't know what "Hellfighters" is, but it seems to me to be a better solution than sticking "JUST" a loosely fitting pipe down into the other and trying to siphon off less then 1/3 of it as it spews out. It's not a perfect solution, but one that may have worked better then what they've already tried. It seems to be a better option then some I've heard (like First blowing up BP and then attacking the problem ;-)

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KentsOkay (author)Goodhart2010-06-14

Blowing it up was the first thing I thought of, and about 2 seconds later I realized how well it wouldn't work. But hey through John Wayne (or MacGyver for that matter) at a problem and solved right?

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Goodhart (author)KentsOkay2010-06-14

Did you see my one suggestion (I even did a PAINT drawing of it) ;-)

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KentsOkay (author)Goodhart2010-06-15

I have as a matter of fact...

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Goodhart (author)KentsOkay2010-06-16

If, instead of midpoint, they lowered the bladder far enough to reach the end of the pipe (deep inside) inflating it would help it to self seal, and maybe still allow for things to be siphoned off.

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lemonie (author)NachoMahma2010-06-12


The Military are trained and prepared to handle deep-water well-head-leaks?
I did not know that, do they use dolphins with cybernetic attachments?

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NachoMahma (author)lemonie2010-06-13

> The Military are trained and prepared to handle deep-water well-head-leaks?
.  I said put the military in charge, not necessarily to do the work, but to lead and co-ordinate. But if you want to look at it that way, the military is trained for all sorts of deep-sea operations. Working on an marine well head can't be that much different than submarine rescue, underwater demolition, &c.
.  I would also give them the power to appropriate any specialty equipment and/or trained personnel that the oil companies have.

>  I did not know that, do they use dolphins with cybernetic attachments?
.  We all have vast areas of ignorance. "Dolphins with cybernetic attachments" is one of mine. ;)
 

.  It took you Brits about 235 years, but y'all finally got us back for the revolution.

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lemonie (author)NachoMahma2010-06-13


Organisation I'll agree with.
I meant that this is a very specific problem which geologists experienced in oil-fields and extraction are best suited to addressing.
The President makes a lot of noise because people expect him to do something, but he can't. The State can't say "move aside we'll deal with this", or really say "you're doing that wrong" either. It's crap all-round, but few people are in a position to really fix this (at ~1500m).

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NachoMahma (author)lemonie2010-06-14

. Maybe it's just dumb American pride, but I think you are underestimating the (deep-water) capabilities of the US military.
.  Yes, private industry has the machinery (and the personnel to run that machinery), but, given "imminent domain"-type emergency powers, the military could mobilize those assets (and so much more assets than BP alone) much better than than what BP seems to be doing.
.  And I wouldn't be too surprised to find out the government already owns a lot of the necessary equipment and/or equipment that would be very helpful.
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. The President can't solve the problem, but there are two things the President could do - order the marshaling of the needed assets and step forward as a leader to explain what's being done to fix the problem and repair the damage.
.  Yes, the State, in an emergency, can step in and take over.
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> few people are in a position to really fix this (at ~1500m).
.  Exactly! And it doesn't look like private industry is going to be able to move fast enough to bring all those ppl together into a united team.
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.  I don't know if you've seen the long-range projection for where a lot of this oil is going, but once it hits the Atlantic, it's headed more or less straight for you. We need to fix this fast.

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lemonie (author)NachoMahma2010-06-14


I'm of the opinion that The President doesn't want to take responsibility 'cos then people would blame him for not fixing it fast enough. And they'd also blame him for not stepping in sooner too.

What's the best solution anyone has suggested (but not tried)?

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NachoMahma (author)lemonie2010-06-14

> ... The President doesn't want to take responsibility 'cos ...
.  That sounds like a reasonable hypothesis.

> What's the best solution anyone has suggested (but not tried)?
.  AFAIK, the intersecting relief wells are the only viable (long-term) option.
.  Goodhart's idea looks good, but I'm not sure it would work with the flow and pressure coming out of the well. That or a modification of the present system should be able to provide some short-term help until the relief wells can be drilled.

.  Putting together a group of engineers and scientists that know how to handle such large problems is where the military/gov't could do the most good. That and gathering the resources to effect a fix.
.  Why rely on BP? They cannot marshal all the resources that the military can and they have a vested interest in doing the cheapest job possible.

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lemonie (author)NachoMahma2010-06-15


With relief, you've got more of a chance I suppose of plugging the uncontrolled-leak.

I can't help, and I'm not ambitious enough to think that I can...

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KentsOkay (author)lemonie2010-06-14

A coworker of mine suggested that BP should give away as much fuel as they've wasted, and to keep doing so until it is stopped. Doesn't solve the problem, but I think it would make it be finished quicker :D

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The military probably has more deep water experience then BP, google "Project Jennifer". And, it's not like BP is doing the work, the rig was owned by Transocean, the BOP built by Cameron, the wellhead by some other company, the cementing job by Halliburton and the rov's are owned and operated by Oceaneering. Bp's major contribution was pulling the mud before the cementing was complete... The gov't could hire contractors just the same as BP, and then, at least the lies would be coming directly from my gov't as opposed to some corporation. And i wouldn't have to listen to BP's cloying PR offensive with it's "We're so very sorry" commercials, which run everywhere but the gulf coast states, the Potemkin clean up crews, and Tony "I want my life back" Hayward.

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Jayefuu (author)lemonie2010-06-13

Someone been reading Uplift? :)

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lemonie (author)Jayefuu2010-06-13

"Uplift"?
Product of my own imagination, all rights reserved etc.

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Jayefuu (author)lemonie2010-06-13

David Brin's way ahead of you :p

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Derin (author)lemonie2010-06-14

I just want to see a dolphin flip the bird now.

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Kryptonite (author)2010-06-14

They should honestly stop off shore oil rigging until something's made that can stem ruptured lines.

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nutsandbolts_64 (author)2010-06-14

I just read about the oil spill yesterday. Those corporate people should know better....

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gjm (author)2010-06-13

Sorry; I guess I wasn't paying attention.

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Tool Using Animal (author)gjm2010-06-13

Happens to the best of us. ;-) I had Eric himself correct me once, long ago....

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gjm (author)2010-06-13

While this is very interesting; it is not an instructable. It's actually more of a request for donations.

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lemonie (author)gjm2010-06-13


It's not an Instructable, it is a Forum Topic.

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Tool Using Animal (author)gjm2010-06-13

Scroll down to the bottom of the page, under About Us, click About. Now the forth name down is Ed Lewis, click that. then, after doing all that, realize that Fungus's position is irrelevant as this is the forum.....

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tubanator-2.0 (author)2010-06-10

thats really cool that they're using kites to make maps.i might have to try that idea sometime.and i really hope they can clean up the spill soon i was watching a video of what it looks like if you were to put a part of your body in the oil and it was just awful looking.

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