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Looking for a Pattern Here. Answered

Ok, I'm kinda looking to gather some general statistics related to people with a DO-It-Yourself/Constructive/Experimental personality. To a degree it has to do with left-handed/right-handed issue, but I want to take other traits and preferences into consideration. Please humor me and give me some details. I'll post my results and possibly a few guesses as to what they mean. 1)What kind of grades do/did you recieve in school? (A,B,C,D,F) 2)Are you right-handed, left-handed, or fully ambidextrous? 3)What types of books/articles do you read? Novels, How-To, Socialogical, etc. 4)Are you multi-lingual? 5)Were you raised in a one-parent or two-parent home? Other? 6)Do you consider yourself an optimist, or a pessimist? 7)Are you religious/spiritual? 8)WHat is your one greatest priority in life? 9)With most of your projects/experiments do you: succeed, fail, quit, procrastinate.


1)What kind of grades do/did you recieve in school? (A,B,C,D,F) 2)mostly A's
2)Are you right-handed, left-handed, or fully ambidextrous? right handed
3)What types of books/articles do you read? Novels, How-To, Socialogical, etc. Mysteries, and project books
4)Are you multi-lingual? yes english and dutch
5)Were you raised in a one-parent or two-parent home? Other? two parent
6)Do you consider yourself an optimist, or a pessimist? pessimist :(
7)Are you religious/spiritual? yeah sorta
8)WHat is your one greatest priority in life? working hard and succeding in life 9)With most of your projects/experiments do you: succeed, fail, quit, procrastinate. i think of good ideas but then i never really get around to doing them

i have dyscalculia, i like reading factual books i am right handed and right footed

1)What kind of grades do/did you recieve in school? (A,B,C,D,F) Bs, in high school, Cs in College 2)Are you right-handed, left-handed, or fully ambidextrous?Right handed, everything else left 3)What types of books/articles do you read? Novels, How-To, Socialogical, etc. Novels/ how-to 4)Are you multi-lingual? no 5)Were you raised in a one-parent or two-parent home? Other? two parent 6)Do you consider yourself an optimist, or a pessimist? pessimist 7)Are you religious/spiritual? christian 8)What is your one greatest priority in life? succeed, be more successful than my parents/peers 9)With most of your projects/experiments do you: succeed, fail, quit, procrastinate. Im quick to start them but, my man genes kick in and most never get finished

Hmmm. I wonder if there's a correlation between right handedness, procrastination and pessimism?

Maybe you should rephrase the question #6. I think there is a correlation between right handedness, procrastination, pessimism and lack of decent father parenting. next skunkbait survey should include right eye vs left eye. skinny vs fat pessimistic vs optimistic. and see what that brings up. bed wetters vs people who played with fire as a kid

Or even left-eyed fat people who wet the bed when something was on fire.

1) In junior high my best achievement was making it through a whole school year without getting suspended. That year had a 2.38 GPA. In high school, I've gotten C's. In college, I've gotten C's. All from not doing all the work (let alon eon time), not from not getting it.

2) I like to say that I'm equally incompetent with both hands, but I'm right handed when writing or fighting. Right footed, too, on a snowboard or the ball field.

3) Non-fiction. Sociological/indirectly-psychological studies are a perennial favorite, but memoirs like "Ghosts of the Fireground" are among my favorites, too. When reading a novel, I like dark, dark themes. Nuclear war, biological attack, murder, people whose lives go to pieces. I like to see how authors study and portray these sorts of situations.

4) I'm not even uni-lingual. Me no speeak engrish goodly. I speak enough Spanish to embarrass myself, enough German to stumble through Rammstein songs and Neitsche books, and enough Russian to almost converse with all the Russians who work at my school.

5) Two parents, but that's only because they were too poor to get a divorce lawyer, let's put it that way. I mostly raised myself.

6) I like to think I'm a realist, but really, if there are human beings involved, I expect the worst and hope to be pleasantly suprised. A lot of the time, I'm not.

7) Agnostic leaning towards atheist, but I am somewhat spiritual. I try to be as good of a person that I can, and a lot of the time, this involves looking to religious and spiritual traditions from all sorts of cultures. I made it my pet project last year to read the Koran (spelling?). It made more sense than the Bible, but maybe that's just a question of the translators who worked on the two books! A lot of the time in the Bible, I'm left wondering if I can get a road map to that sentence. Maybe that's part of why it's so easily misinterpreted and misappropriated for decidedly un-Christian ends.

8) Enjoy myself and do what will make me happy. If you only get one go-round, why waste it?

9) Get distracted. When I actually finish a project, I do it well, but we have half an acre of half-finished (and half-begun) projects to attest to my ADD DIY. If I run into a project that's just plain NOT WORKING, I'm considerably more likely to finish it, at the expense of nutrition, sleep, and hygeine. Must be the challenge.

Regarding the snowboard, do you LEAD with your right? I always skate and surf (years ago) "goofyfoot".

Sure do. I surf goofyfoot, and injure myself on a skateboard that way, too.

Isn't it usually lefties that surf/skate/snowboard goofyfoot?

Usually, but not me. Earns me some funny looks at the rental shop when I ask for a goofy setup and then sign the form with my right hand, but whatever.

DO you have any other lefty tendancies? I wonder if goofyfooters are lefties who were "forced" into right-handedism. I had some lefty tendancies as a kid. BTW- Maybe that's why I was such a poor snowboarder. I may have used a left-foot-forward setup (It's been nearly 20 years ago!). I can surf, was a good downhill skateboarder, and an "almost" great skier, all with a leading right foot. Hmmmm?

Besides being batshit loco? I do math extremely strange, and generally don't reason linearly. English is really my specialty when it comes to classes, having nearly aced the SAT and ACT english sections. I went boarding with a group of friends last winter, and despite all being righties, we all board goofyfoot. Given the group, I would be inclined to say that it supports your "forced"-into-handedness theory.

There we go. More similarities! I was always an English (and History) guy. I always made WELL above average on standardized math tests, but I never could do math "the teachers way". When I was a senior in HS, I was making an A in Academically Gifted English, a B in Advanced Placement Physics, and FAILING Algebra II, all at the same time!

Nice! I had a math nazi for a teacher last year for College Algebra II. I think he must have bought at least a pack of red pens just to write all over my stuff "I did NOT teach this!!!" when I'd arrive at the correct conclusion the "wrong" way. Or even worse, when I gave up on showing my work and just put the answer. He never believed me that I could just look at a diagram and see the solution, but not equations. He knew I wasn't cheating, because I was the only one who got it right most of the time... At least this year I get to talk with my hands and draw my diagrams that look like Dali paintings!

My oldest boy is the same way. Is there a diagnosis/name for that kind of a math "condition"? I was doing poorly and my parents got me a tutor. He was a hippy-type math nerd, who'd actually gotten some fame for a new hypothesis/discovery relating to Pi. Anyway, I still never learned show my work, but I got even better at doing it in my head!

My prof this year has dyscalculia from a head-on car crash. What I do isn't precisely the same, but it's close enough that we can speak the same language and hopefully between the two of us make sense to the rest of the class.

I hearby christen our disorder: "Megacalcula Nolo-Explanum".

1. A, b, and c
2. Right
3. How-to, research
4. Not yet
5. 2 parents
6. pessimist
7. Atheist
8. Staying alive
9. procrastinate

Another pessimist! I was afraid there wouldn't be any more. Boy was I pleasantly surprised!

So should you be optimistic about more pessimists?

You got it. MIne was sort of a play on one of your recent remarks. If I become optimistic, I set myself up for failure. But if I remain pessimistic, I win either way!

I see, being pessimistic to be optimistic. :) I'll end this thought, it will turn out to be one of those RLY?, O RLY?... threads.

1~ C 2~ Right handed 3~ Don't do an extensive amount of reading, yet Paulo Coelho's novels seem to have fixed themselves to my sub-consious. 4~ No. Would like to think I know, a little Japanese though. 5~ Two 6~ Pessimist wanting to be an optimist, but know it will never happen. 7~ Not religious but I believe in something, just haven't made up my mind up what yet. 8~ Friends and family. 9~ My projects/experiments are never made to succeed thus they never fail. I always quit before I allow myself to procrastinate and never start something i'm not going to finish.

I think there may be a correlation between right-handedness, intelligence and pessimism. I'll mull that on over for a while.

. There are a lot of studies correlating handedness and all sorts of traits. IIRC, lefties tend to be more creative and prone to depression.

I believe that lefties are more likely to be geniuses, insane, and suicides.

Thanks, we do what we can. 2 out of 3 ain't bad...

I actually expected to see more lefties on this forum.

While "creativity" and artistic ability are sometimes correlated with left-handedness, I think this new-fangled "making" thing is a bit different. You can almost GUESS which makers are left handed. For example, while I think my instructables are interesting, educational, and sometimes "clever", they hardly ever delve into creative or artistic. All Engineering and Education. Clearly right handed!

Yeah, the "making" is not necessarily a "lefty" pursuit. If we could get all the "art" iblers to respond, that might change things a bit.

Yeah, I think there ma be. I'm a righty, quite intelligent, and a pessimist

For the most part, school grades are a poor measure of intelligence more a measure of information retention...

. IIRC, from helping my ex study for her PhD Psych, vocabulary is the top single indicator of IQ.

Hmm interesting, I would have thought it to be something else... So far I'm unconvinced about the reliability of any I.Q. test, having had anywhere between 100 and 200... Most say 160 - 180

. It's not the tests, it's the way they are used. As you are aware, any one test only measures, at most, a few facets of what makes up intelligence (and good luck finding much agreement on exactly what intelligence is). Unfortunately, many ppl and organizations will rely on one test.
. Anything over about 150-160 is academic - you're pretty freakin' intelligent.
. The question is: How smart are you? (not you in particular) Intelligence, without the drive to use it, is almost worthless. My ex scored much lower than I on IQ tests, but she has the drive to get a PhD and all I have is a HS diploma. I'm more intelligent, she's smarter.

Interesting, I never rally saw any correlation in grades and intelligence but drive would be a much stronger factor I guess. I suppose it's easier with intelligence but you need to be smart enough to use it. I think a great sign of intelligence would be an all over test more like they do on animals, only problem is most people don't fancy doing those things just to know how smart they are... I would enjoy it though, getting to play in mazes and play games for biscuits...

As psychologists currently recognise upwards of nine different kinds of intelligence (recall, artistic, manual, emotional etc), there ought to be nine "IQ" tests...

See that would be far more useful, not to mention it would have other possible applications like career aptitude testing, not specific careers but it would be more likely to show lines of work you're going to be capable in. Unlike aptitude tests with questions, they tend to be a bit rough and easily wrong in many cases.

LOL The one time my dad took an aptitude test, one of the top options was "midwife" - he was in his late fifties, after a lifetime in various parts of the building trade.

Hah! Point proven in a hilarious manner. I couldn't be bothered with the school ones after getting back 300 options with the memorable ones on the first page being: Binman (sorry waste operative), Doctor, Bricklayer, Engineer, mechanic... They weren't in that exact order but those are the ones I remember as being an odd selection... maybe a glitch, or I am... Do you bother much with looking at signs of intelligence in your classes or do you prefer to work with those who have the drive regardless of intelligence? Just kind of wondering what your thoughts are about which would end up going further...

I always try to work with the ones who are willing to work - their effort deserves my effort - but I also try and get the rest of the class wound up to want to work as well.

As a teacher I have one official target: Pupils should leave my classes knowing more about science. I also have an unofficial target: Pupils should leave my classes enjoying science, and wanting to know more about it.

Hmm, that's a pretty good attitude to have, I've seen teachers who seems to want you to hate sciences... I was just wondering because I've seen teachers reward different type of pupils over time, one's that struggle get taken care of if they try, stuff like that...

. I took a test one time where they had a picture of a famous Black boxer and I had to supply his name. My answer was Cassius Clay, but the only response that was considered correct was Muhammad Ali.
. What blew my mind even more, was that the examiner never did figure out why I busted out laughing when she told me what the "correct" answer was. I didn't even bother 'splainin' it to her.

I'm not sure what's worse there. I wonder if examiners of such things have aptitude tests or is that what you do when it comes up blank at the end.

. If you mean are examiners given a test to see if they are qualified to use such tests, then the answer is: it depends. . My ex spent several months studying (including administering/scoring/interpreting) the Stanford-Binet, WAIS, WISC, &c; and at least one full school year on psych tests in general. She has the papers that say she's qualified. I'm assuming that it's the same for all Psychologists in the US. . In a school setting, the examiner probably is qualified to administer and score, but may be weak on interpretation. . In a work/&c; setting, odds are that the examiner has little or no training. . Just my observations. Things may actually be better or worse. ;)

I was thinking about the idea of an aptitude test putting something like that back out. I suppose for school testing teachers aren't particularly trained in such matters, in board exams I assume the main reason for outside examiners to come in would be trust issues with whole schools... In work I guess it's just whoever's got the time... Psychiatry seems to be heavily regulated, I suppose it's important because you can literally have a life in your hands similarly to a doctor...