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Lowney's Tempest Review Answered

Well this is Lowney's Rifle that he posted yesterday, and I built it and with his permission I have reviewed it!
So, here it goes:
Normally, if you wanted an excellent oodammo single shot, you were left with a choice of two: The original KillerK pistol and Oodalumps' rectangle. 
Now however, there is the tempest. It boasts something that only it has ever had in the world of k'nex: a rifled barrel attachment. 
So let's get on with the specs:

Use

Firing Interval
8/10 this is based on the fact it is a single shot though. Five seconds is what I average.
Bullet Lock
9/10 The bullet has never fallen out for me, but it doesn't feel quite the same as a ball joint
Rifle Attachment
9/10 Works very well, but it's not a 10 because it can only do oodammo and velcrammo
Smoothbore mode
6/10 Brilliant for any ammo that is shorter than a yellow rod but otherwise not so good
Handle
8/10 It's a very very nice handle, second only to the ZKAR and MEZAK
Trigger 9/10 Has yet to fail for me, but the movement is quite slight
Reliability
10/10 Never failed: single shots rarely do
Robustness
10/10 I test robustness by standing on a garden chair and drop in on concrete. It didn't break

Other
Aesthetics 4/10 the rifled barrel is ugly, but smoothbore mode this gun would be a 9/10
Innovation
9/10 the concept is so simple, yet it works like an absolute charm! Very innovative
Range/accuracy
10/10 it shoots 160ft approx. and 80ft with cannon ammo without the rifle
Power
10/10 again, this gun is mighty powerful, more powerful than the KillerK gun
Pain factor
10/10 don't shoot yourself with cannon ammo, it will draw blood.
Metallic or Old?
I think comparing mine and Lowney's, old colors look better
Weight Balance
7/10 The whole gun is so light there is no need to worry about the balance

Totals
Use:
86.25%
Other:
71.42%

Grand Total

an impressive average score of 8/10 (1dp) which means I rated this gun 4* and would recommend it to anyone.

    -Jesse Barns AKA The One And Only

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Lowney (author)2009-12-24

Hey, I noticed that you said that this shoots 160ft. Unfortunately, even I struggle to believe that, please change it to the truth, because it's having a bad effect on my 'ible.

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travw (author)2009-12-22

Ok, I have a LOT of problems with this review. Here's a few:

1) Trigger: 9/10. WTH? Any trigger that relies on a standard connector-rod-connector attachment isn't going to handle much power. This included.

2) Handle: 8/10. This is a very generic handle. Very.

3) Range/accuracy: 10/10. This really pisses me off. First of all, no. It doesn't shoot 160 feet. It's not going to. Secondly, if there are at least 2 guns that shoot farther, why would this be a 10/10? It makes no f****** sense!

4) Power: 10/10. This is NOT more powerful than a KK pistol. Even if it was, again, there are guns more powerful than this, so why give it a 10?

So, there you go.

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The One and Only (author)travw2009-12-23

I will answer all your queries, and not stoop to the level of just being nasty. But I want to make a point that you haven't made this gun, so you can't really slag it off if you have no idea what it is you are slagging off.

1) This trigger has never failed for me. I use 7 64s like Lowney recommended, and the trigger works great. Even with surgical tubing it won't break because of the fail-safe (under the hinge, it preventents the trigger from shattering/snapping)

2) It's common for a reason: it's good. It has nice side grips on it, in case you can't see.

3) Range/accuracy. How can you possibly make accusations like that? And it hardly sticks to the be nice policy. There are at least 2 guns that you say shoot further. Two guns, which I can be certain of you have'nt built, therefore no evidence and no right to say what you say.

4) This IS more powerful than a KK pistol. It has more followthrough with the pin. The KK pistol just hits the ammo and stops. This hits the ammo and drives it through, giving it more kinetic energy

So, there you go.



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travw (author)The One and Only2009-12-23

I made it. I hate it. It doesn't rifle, it just bounces off to the side and wastes about half the power. Without the bendy, I got like 30 feet. With 5 #64's on it.

So, I stand by ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING I SAID.

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Mepain (author)The One and Only2009-12-23

I want to make a point that you haven't made this gun, so you can't really slag it off if you have no idea what it is you are slagging off.

He can, and with good reason:

1) The block is not far back enough for the pin to build up enough momentum to transfer to the projectile for your proclaimed ranges to be reasonable.

3) The only way I might believe these ranges is if you told us that you are shooting at a high angle (45 degrees) and are using finned ammo. Oodammo is just too heavy to achieve this range at any angle (with this trigger/pin setup).

4) You have the wrong idea about how K'nex guns work. You get the most momentum transfer from that little "love tap" that a KKC provides. It allowes the pin to build up as much momentum as possible before hitting the ammo. According to physics, if you try to "push" the ammo with the pin, it will not work; the ammo will simply bounce off of the pin and shoot off the moment it strikes.



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travw (author)Mepain2009-12-23

Oh, didn't see this. Thanks.

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travw (author)The One and Only2009-12-23

Fine, I'll build, then I'll come back here, but first, let me answer a couple of those:

1) Fine, after I build, I'll tell you how mine does.

2) Almost every gun with that handle has the same thing.

3) I can make accusations like that because it's BS. Fine, it may not have been a nice way to put it, I apologize for that. And yes, I've built both. BR, and SR-v2. Not to mention Wrecktangle. (All with sniper ammo.)

4) This is physics. If it keeps pushing the ammo, instead of just hitting it after it gains all it's momentum, it'll be less powerful. Don't argue it. If you don't believe me, go talk to someone on KIchat. It'll be funny.

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I_am_Canadian (author)2009-12-22

Sorry, nobody is going to believe 160 feet. Even with a video. For good reason.

Also, that bendy on the front looks rather cumbersome and ugly, 'fraid to say...

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Why? Everyone believes KillerK's ranges with his TR and pistol. And oodalumps gets the same belief too. The rifle really does work, and teamed with oodammo it will obviously shoot furthur than an oodammo gun without  a rifle. If you watch Lowney's video, you can blatantly see that the rifle makes a huge difference.

But yes, I can't really defend the fact that the bendy rod is ugly.

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travw (author)The One and Only2009-12-23

Everyone believes him because everyone has built it, and gotten the same results. Not to mention the fact that in the video, it just bounces off to the side.

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I'll only believe your ranges if you post a video, and I know all the tricks to falsify those ranges too, so you better straight out show us.

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Killer~SafeCracker (author)2009-12-23

When are people going to stop with the lies?? There is no way this shoots 160 feet. Theres no way this is shooting 40 feet with a trigger like this. If this had a trigger that blocked the ram at the back of the barrel I might believe 50. I'm sick of these ranges.

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Lowney (author)2009-12-22

Wow thanks for the positivity!

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Raikou-san (author)Lowney2009-12-22

Other than the flexi rod creating a rifling effect, there's nothing new. Plus, this needs a better body (bumps on blue connectors get in the way), and a gear trigger.

Also, the author states this is the only excellent single shot. I think not. Also, pretty much any ram gun can shoot oodammo (though, there are exceptions, as always).

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Lowney (author)Raikou-san2009-12-22

Since it is my gun, my design and response to my comment, I'll answer that :)

1) What do you mean the bumps on the blue connectors get in the way?
2) Ratchet triggers are not necessarily better, this trigger never fails for me or The One and Only (as he says).
3) He doesn't say that, he says it is one of the 3 most elite single shots, including the rectangle (aka wrectangle) and the KillerK pistol.
4) You would be surprised, there are not many ram guns that can shoot oodammo, the barrel must be a maximum of 3 units deep, and most guns utilise some sort of tube, which is not possible with oodammo.

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Raikou-san (author)Lowney2009-12-22

1. If used in the wrong way, the ram can be slowed down by the bumps. It's hard to use incorrectly, but still, that's why I always use white's instead of blues, unless blues are absolutely necessary.

2. Your trigger might not fail, but a gear trigger blocks the ram further back in the gun, giving the ram more time to speed up, which gives it more power.

3. I guess I took that out of context. I apologize.

4. Well, if the oodammo is turned sideways, with the connector vertical instead of horizontal, it will fit into a tube-gun if the ram makes it's way through the whole tube. As for guns that use internal mags, they won't. I forgot to mention that. Oh well.

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Lowney (author)Raikou-san2009-12-22

1) It does use white connectors, the one and only made his with blues, but the official instructions show it with whites :-)
2) It is the rate of acceleration that counts. The TR18 has a white rod as the firing pin, it's how the energy is harnessed. And to be honest, a gun that "shoots 160ft" is surely enough?
3) You are forgiven, young one (lol)
4) True, but none are rifled

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Raikou-san (author)Lowney2009-12-22

1. Didn't notice. Oops.
2. Probably.
3. Thanks.
4. Agreed.

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Raikou-san (author)Raikou-san2009-12-22

Damn, I didn't mean to reply to your comment, Lowney. Oh well. :(

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DJ Radio (author)2009-12-22

This does NOT shoot 160 feet, even though it's a single shot.  The trigger is much too far up the barrel for that.

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