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Some years ago I shared my PC with a friend. As most of the music dumped on there was his I let him categorise it, but some of the categorisation is a bit odd, making it difficult to find things....

The first one prompted the topic, what do you think:

Bedouin Soundclash - "Reggae - Pop", whereas Eddy Grant is in "Reggae"
Finley Quay, Deelite & Moloko are in "Pop" (there is a "Dance" category)
Only Black Sabbath, Frank Zappa, Jimmy Hendix and Slayer are in "Heavy Metal", but Biohazard, Pantera, Sepultura, White Zombie & System of a Down, SOD (amongst others) are in just "Metal" as are Sheep on Drugs, Sisters of Mercy and Nickleback.
"Rock" contains Gogol Bordello (he didn't think of adding "Gypsy-Punk") and Dread Zeppelin.
The Beastie Boys go in "Rock - Electric", as does Massive Attack, The Prodigy and The Streets
"Rock - Pop" contains Bjork, Nick Cave & The Cure (amongst others)

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lemonie (author)2010-02-13

That was pretty much the point here. My friend did the categorisation and it's not working for me!

Thanks for the comment.

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mikeasaurus (author)2010-01-06

for me, music categorization died when 'alternative' music was defined. Since then perception of genres of music have broadened, blended together and become an insuperable mass. This is not bad.

All my tunes are under ..\music. However, I have a few folders with some select tracks/artists which I update regularly. These folders evolve. I keep the folder naming pretty loose: chill, electronic, classic rock. Of course there's going to be artists that can be in both, the point is that they are only in that folder temporarily. Music that is not wanted is either moved back out to the pool of artists or deleted if it's a copy/unwanted. Bear in mind that with digital media being what it is there's minimal threat of ever 'loosing' a track (unless it's an original recording).

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Toxicity (author)2010-01-04

I like categorizing all the songs from a band the same. I used to go in depth with allof the different metal categories, but I gave up on that ;)

PS - YES! white Zombie and System of a Down are my two absolute favorite bands! (plus NIN)

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lemonie (author)Toxicity2010-01-04

You want to be able to find thing really don't you?

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NachoMahma (author)2009-11-04

.  I try to keep my categories/genres to a minimum. "Rock" covers Led Zeppelin, to Marillion, to Axel Rudi Pell, to Chris Rea. I did add "Rock, Progressive" for ELP, Yes, &c.
.  "Alternative" is "Punk" that I can stand listen to. ;)
.  "Country" is anything with a steel guitar or a cowboy hat on the cover.
.  "Pop" is stuff that is too "sweet" to be called Rock.
.  "Jazz" is reserved for songs I like but don't understand.

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Lithium Rain (author)NachoMahma2009-11-05

No "Techno"? Nacho, I'm sad...

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caitlinsdad (author)Lithium Rain2009-11-05

Filed under Trash, gives me a headache...

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Whatever. They're alone in that. They don't realize the music they like steals from Electronica and puts whiny boys over it. :-P

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NachoMahma (author)caitlinsdad2009-11-05

.  Yep.
.  It's not often I agree with a Yankee. ;)

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NachoMahma (author)Lithium Rain2009-11-05

.  Techno, Dance, &c get lumped into Electronica.
.  I don't remember why I picked Electronica; as per c-dad's comment, it belongs under Trash. :)

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KentsOkay (author)NachoMahma2009-11-08

 Same here, 'cept I call it Punk Rock, Jazz is groovy weird stuff, country is denied to exist, and have the extra genres of "Celtic Singin' Hotties" and SID Metal

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lemonie (author)NachoMahma2009-11-04

Ok, opinion on this - Mike Oldfield did a bit of synth' from his "bedroom", I'm sure you've heard of Tube-u-lar-Bells. But what the hell is going on in this?!
The line is "He was shot six times by a man on the run", but the video is of an organised-duel with pistols - I'm thinking of inner-city tragedy not romantic chivalry... There's a girl in a hat and a sort of folk-type look to this, but unimpressive strumming on what looks like a Gibson Flying-V?

(Pub-quiz question)


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NachoMahma (author)lemonie2009-11-05

.  I dunno. It's Art.
.  I've never been a big Oldfield fan. Tubular Bells is OK with enough drugs.

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lemonie (author)NachoMahma2009-11-05

Ha - it's crappy art, still pub-quiz question which we got right, and we got £5 each out of the whole thing..
Thanks for the response

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lemonie (author)NachoMahma2009-11-04

Mmm, I've not got a folder for ~Jazz, but I do have one called "Music for Sponks" - Shatner & Nimoy, Moog Cookbook etc go in there...

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caitlinsdad (author)lemonie2009-11-05
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lemonie (author)caitlinsdad2009-11-05

I've got Mr Spock's Music from Outer Space, and Spaced Out (The Very Best of Leonard Nimoy & William Shatner) - don't have that one.

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Sunbanks (author)2009-11-08

I don't see how Frank Zappa is heavy metal...

I never categorise my music, I'm just too lazy to.

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lemonie (author)Sunbanks2009-11-08

Me too, on both counts.

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Koosie (author)2009-11-08

I gave up categorising a long time ago.  Just sort it alphabetically by band/artist now.

Too many different genre's these-days.

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lemonie (author)Koosie2009-11-08

I never started, someone else did it...

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Kiteman (author)2009-11-08

Mine's all filed under "music"...

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lemonie (author)Kiteman2009-11-08

I was thinking of scrapping the whole thing, but I guess I'd like some of it quarantined...

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Lithium Rain (author)2009-11-05

I would classify Nickleback under Soft Rock and Annoying, but definitely not Metal...

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KentsOkay (author)Lithium Rain2009-11-08

 Soft Rock?? Nickleback? That's gotta be a different group then the Nickleback with "Animals", "Next Contestant" and others.

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Goodhart (author)Lithium Rain2009-11-06
My methods would tend to confuse most too, since I like songs rather then groups or artists, and pieces of music, the same way; I'd tend to classify them alphabetically and hope I can find them with a search engine :-) 

Each person's methods probably suit that person moreso than others...
 

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V-Man737 (author)2009-11-04

I like NachoMahma's method. Keep it general, and if there are other, more definite lines of difference, you can add more sub-categories as detail demands.
Also remember to make an "Electronic" folder! (on mine, it has sub-folders of "Techno," "Dance," "Trance," and "Eclectic.")

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lemonie (author)V-Man7372009-11-04

Yea, I think that these can go too far or go wrong. E.g. Pink Floyd - where would you put them? It's when I'm looking in someone else's system that I have problems. The only thing that stops me from destroying the categorisation is the volume of entries...

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skunkbait (author)lemonie2009-11-05

I agree.  I believe Reggae should only get one category, as should Pop.  I would give Metal only one as well.  I love Hendrix, and Zeppelin, but to put them in a different category from Metallica, seems a bit overdone.   And to distinguish Cowpunk from Punkabilly seems a bit like overkill.

I could probably live with just three categories: "Classic Rock", "Other Rock", and "Country/Folk/ Acoustic".

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Molten Boron (author)skunkbait2009-11-05

Out of curiosity, what IS the difference between Cowpunk and Punkabiliy?

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skunkbait (author)Molten Boron2009-11-07

IMO- For those not REALLY into it, (especially the subtleties of Folk, Bluegrass, Hillbilly, Country, and Western Swing) there would be little noticeable difference.  And if someone didn't differentiate between Rock and Southern Rock.... or Grunge and Punk,  there would probably be NO noticeable difference.  Not to mention, some groups may play a little from both genres.

The biggest difference is probably the musical traditions that lead to the genres. 

Punkabilly is more from the Rockabilly tradition, (with transitional groups like the Stray Cats).  Even the Clash and the Violent Femmes would dabble in it (though not under the actual classification of Punkabilly).  Also, the  upright bass, and banjo (and sometimes the mandolin)  usually play a pretty big part in the tunes.  Punkabilly is often played with almost completely traditional instruments.

Cowpunk is likely to be more from the Rock (but raw Rock, kinda like Punk) and Country Western traditions with a fair amount of dark southern gothic influence.  Or it may be more from the Southern Rock tradition sliding towards Gothic,Punk, Speed, and THrash music.

BTW- I may have been the first person to use the term "Punkabilly".  I remember wanting to form a punkabilly band as far back as '87, (unfortunately I'm just not any good!), but I never remember anyone else using the actual term "punkabilly" before the mid-'90s.



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Molten Boron (author)skunkbait2009-11-08

Wow.
That is a lot of information.
Is there some authoritative organization that determines the different genres of music, and their names?? Because otherwise you have different people calling different kinds of music the same name and getting into fights and stuff.

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NachoMahma (author)lemonie2009-11-05

.  I have PF filed under Rock, but couldn't argue with Progressive/Art Rock.
.  As others have pointed out, it's really subjective and just depends on your likes and listening habits.

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lemonie (author)NachoMahma2009-11-05

Yes, true. It's currently under Rock - Acid with the Greatful Dead...

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Molten Boron (author)2009-11-04

Nickelback? Metal??
They're about as metal as the Backstreet Boys, except less fancy. :-P
Incidentally, Nickelback is in the "Grunge Clone" genre, along with other identical-sounding clone bands, like Pearl Jam, Creed, Staind, Seether, Puddle of Mudd, and Daughtry. For people who hate individuality.

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lemonie (author)Molten Boron2009-11-04

I had originally emphasised Nickleback in italics, but changed my mind thinking "people will see that" (exactly as you describe) - I might create a "Grunge Clone" folder, but I wouldn't put Pearl Jam too close to them as I seem to think they're the oldest outfit in the list and possibly have some originality?

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Molten Boron (author)lemonie2009-11-05

I agree, Pearl Jam is the original, and the other guys are copying them.

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lemonie (author)Molten Boron2009-11-05

"...thoughts arrive like butterflies..."

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lemonie (author)Molten Boron2009-11-05

I find that type of animation hard to watch - cartoons you can get away with, but 3D renderings of animals look wrong with rubber-faces.

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