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Hey guys! This is my long awaited first forum topic on my first 2 k'nex creations that I've been wanting to get a topic posted about them for quite a while, but never booked in any free time to get one posted. So today, I've had nothing to do,so I decided to go ahead and post a topic. The guns themselves are quite explanatory. One comes from a traditional firing pin system that's been on the site for ages now. The other gun is also a pin gun, but also has a slingshot mechanism integrated into it. Basically, it's a pin gun that has the ability to be given an unlimited amount of increased power as well as the ability to control pin friction. I give special thanks to Fred the penguin for the original idea. Go look it up if don't know what I'm talking about. That was one concept I used, the other one is really awesome and comes from the mighty 182515. Basically it allows a gun(whatever gun it may be) to be broken down into as many parts as possible, while also allowing a front portion of the barrel to be removable and interchangeable. Both of my guns have this concept. Anyway, enough chit-chat, onto pro's and con's for these weapons:

assault rifle-

Pro's:
-very powerful, breaks oodammo from about 40 or 50 ft, puts holes in drywall, and leaves some very nasty dents in steel doors with certain front ends.
-very high range. I can easily shoot a finned tan rod 275 ft. with 3 strong unused #64's and with the tr-18 mounted on it.
-extremely versatile. can have multiple uses.
- trigger requires no rubber bands and blocks the pins progress every time.
-reliable
-Doesn't use many pieces,but it uses enough though.

Con's:
- Gun may be a little hard to fire due to the trigger setup.
-uses broken parts.

logic bow-

Pro's:
-extremely powerful. I shot and killed a possum with it using sharpened fin ammo and 20#64's and actually puts holes in steel doors. 'nuff said.
-extremely high range. Shoots a finned black rod up to 600 ft. with a tr. And goes up to about 700 with the nar.(Only w/ latex surgical tubing or elastic bungee cord)
-extremely versatile. Does the same thing as the rifle.
-no pin friction due to the ratchet holding all of the pins bands.
-very reliable.
-unlimited power.
-Like the rifle, the trigger mechanism now operates on no rubber bands.
-Trigger guard

Con's:
- Piece consuming
- A little heavy, but nothing too serious.
-uses broken parts.


Well, that about wraps it up. THESE WILL BE POSTED. I'm just not sure when yet. Below are some pictures for you to drool at.


**UPDATE**: I have changed these guns up some after this was published. The rifle pretty much stayed the same, I only did most of the major changes to the logic bow. It now features: A trigger that requires no rubber bands, better body design, bow limb reinforcements, handle moved up to the middle of gun, sear system type trigger or trigger that blocks behind the handle and moves only in one direction, and all the other bells and whistles. I also attached generic/basic stock butts to both guns(lol, that joke is getting old XD). I will upload the new pictures in a few days. Check for updates from me often by the way.

I think we're done here.


**UPDATE**  10/25/12- I have uploaded the new pictures. The last picture is of a recycled steel can getting pwned by the logic bow. Enjoy. :)

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SYMEN (author)2012-11-01

Lol, you just now noticed that?

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knex monster (author)2012-11-01
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I was referring to the comment mepain/tumbleweed made. I have no idea what he meant by that. Did you notice my update for this topic?

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I don't know what he meant by "Naahhhhh" either, and no, I don't see your update. XD
Maybe 'ibles are working on it, or something...

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The new wall of text in the description explaining the changes I've made to the logic bow thing is the update. I'll get new pictures uploaded soon. I also need someone's help in coming up with names for these guns. I obviously can't call them as they are. That's just plain stupid.

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Well, for name idea, just do what I did for my PARR. I just took the simple idea of what the gun's mech was, and made it into initials. PARR = Pull And Release Rifle. Simple as that. :-)

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Oh wow, you posted that comment today. I might just be right on time replying to this :0. Sorry for the inactivity by the way. I know I've been dead for like a week or so. Not really dead, but you get the point. As for the name calling lol, I've decided to call the big gun the Ditto Bow, simply because it's the same thing as Fred's Logic Bow, and pretty much functions the same way, only difference between mine and his is that mine has a trigger that doesn't need rubber bands to be activated, his does. Mine has the capacity to do more crap than his, his is limited by only an 18 shot turret that houses many types of ammo, but is limited by actually how many types of ammo. His has a pin guide, mine doesn't need one because it uses a different approach to prevent the firing pin from bending upwards. Right now I'm doing a complete reconstruction of the rifle because the trigger failed to work properly, and have to turn it into a different type of pin gun. I'm just not entirely sure of what kind of pin gun would work with what I'm doing. If you have any recommendations, let me know. Here's what I'm looking for: a type of pin gun that houses the same amount of power as a normal pin gun or more power than a pin gun. Please reply to this asap.

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Name calling!?! .XD Dude, do you realize that you and I are like the only ones who use full capitalization and punctuation and correct spelling when writing large messages? Its pretty funny actually. So many people on this sight has such bad grammar when it comes to their user name description. Look at this one: "I love building with Knex. I've been mostly drawn to building guns with them. I have the talent to build guns from unique mechanisms to overall almost perfect design. My knex pieces were handed down from my grandpa to me. I will treasure them with all my life. :) Other than building and constructing guns I also own some airsoft guns. They're pretty nice. I also have a turkey gun. (I love hunting turkeys). :)" It should be more like this: "I love building with K'NEX, and making great guns. I enjoy making guns that work well, with unique mechanisms. I received my K'NEX from my grandpa, and I treasure them with all my heart. I also have airsoft guns, that are of good quality. I enjoy hunting turkeys, and I even have a pet turkey."

Anyway, enough with grammar, as to your comment:
Well, the "Ditto Bow" as a name makes since, and I suggest you keep it. As to your pin gun...hmm...I don't know. I am not very good at coming up with names for guns, but if it just a pin gun why not just call it: PPG = Power Pin Gun. Just simple initials would draw viewers in to see more, and thus more ratings and more subbers.

Have fun naming and posting those guns.

-The Red Book of Westmarch

P.S. Oh, and I also suggest that you get a YouTube account to show your guns off on 'ibles.

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Lol, yeah I know. It is funny and it's also kind of sad if you look at it another way. But hey, facts are facts. Yeah... about K'nex girl, is she alright? Have you heard anything recent from her? She's been inactive longer than I have and I was just wondering because I sent her a private message about my topic like days ago, but she never replied back. Thanks for the other name suggestion, I appreciate the help. Well, as for a YouTube account I'll possibly get one whenever I get a Kindle Fire. Because this computer I'm using to do posts and reply to people is slower than Christmas and it sucks. :-/

If you had a computer that's over 10 years old you'd feel the same way. Oh and as for the grammar I got my correct grammar because I payed attention to my English teacher when I was in school. Not because I had to learn, but because I wanted to.

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SYMEN (author)2012-10-26

Yes, I will post.Hopefully I can do it sooner than later. If only I could see the look on Sharir's face now.

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Raz1r Knex Bull3t (author)2012-10-26

Dude, this is really cool! Could you post these by any chance?

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SYMEN (author)2012-10-25

Holy crap!! 502 views!!!! :D

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SYMEN (author)2012-10-22
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knex monster (author)2012-10-22

wow that looks like a killer gun

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Hmm, well the idea seams good, but, like others have asked, do you really 200ft? I have always liked new gun ideas, and this seems impressive. Impressive enough to warrant a sub!

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Thanks! Yeah I got over 200, possibly 300 with the rifle. It really depends on what front end mech you use. 300-400 foot ranges are only possible with the rifle if you use the TR-18 or NAR front end shown in the pictures above. The shotgun shell gets between 200-300 ft. with fin ammo angled, and gets under 100 ft. with normal rods.The connector body logic bow is more powerful than the rifle, therefore gets much higher ranges.

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No problem bro! Now that is impressive! I have NEVER gotten above 40 ft. with my guns...I could never figure out how to get that high. What do you mean by "front end mech?" And how can a shotgun shell get above 200-300 ft., unless it was a slug round...?

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Front end mech as in front barrel portions being removed and interchanged. Did you look at how there are 6 different front barrel mechs in the 4th picture at the top? The Shotgun shell can get around 200 or 300 ft. with 4 black rods with fins made of tape on them and layers of tape on the tips of the rods to weigh the front tips of the rods down doubling the range. Fin ammo will make any gun that uses rods shoot very far.

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Ah, I see. Thanks for the help man!

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No problem! If this gets more views than my grandmothers spud gun, then I will be a very happy camper lol. If anyone's noticed yet, I am a very funny guy, as well as an incredible builder! You should definitely try fin ammo out this time! They're phenomenal! Killerk made a forum topic on how to make good fin ammo. You should check it out! :)

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Well, funny guy, yes, incredible builder, that remains to be see...O.o (I'm teasing, I'm teasing, XD) Keep in mind, I don't view you saying that your an incredible builder as bragging, but bragging never got anyone anywhere, so, as a "nOOb" I would be careful to think of what I am saying...XD ROFL

And as to the Fin ammo, I have seen it before, and will check it out (again)!

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lol,whoops! I guess I got a little carried away with words. As for the topic there's fixing to be an update so be on the lookout for newer pictures. And after this I'm doing another forum topic because I just stumbled across some new types of knex ammo that I don't think have been done before.

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didexo (author)SYMEN2012-10-17

No problem, nice Mezak mag :)

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innovanna (author)2012-10-16

I highly doubt the logic bow got that range. Even the best slingshot couldnt get that. Now im not saying its not powerful becuase i built one for the heck of it and it had great power. But not 600 feet i can probably believe 275-325. This is constructive criticism so please dont take it the wrong way. Its cool though seems like you put some time into it so im assuming it works right. And for the rifle, i like the interchangeable parts. I might make a gun like that and see if i can come up with a faster changing mechanism or whatever you want to call it. Nice job!

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SYMEN (author)innovanna2012-10-16

Thanks. It only shoots that far if you use surgical tubing or elastic bungee cord or maybe even thera band. Killerks SRv2 can shoot up to 500, and leaves dents in metal. This thing can hold well over 20 #64's and puts actual holes in metal, and it's a pin gun just like the rifle! I wouldn't doubt it if it could reach 600 ft. It isn't just made for one purpose it can have interchangeable parts just like the rifle. Do you not see the front barrels being switched out on both of them in the pictures? The more bands you put on a gun, the more powerful it is, you know that right? Again, I'm not making this up, this is confirmed. Let me know if you make a rifle with a better adaptation mechanism so I can update the ones I have. You might have to give Oblivitus and 182515 credit for the idea though.

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innovanna (author)SYMEN2012-10-17

No i understand the more bands and what not. And yes i did see the interchangable parts. Can you upload a video?

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SYMEN (author)innovanna2012-10-17

No, I can't do videos sorry. I don't have a way to do that. But, I can upload pictures of some damage shots if you want.

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innovanna (author)SYMEN2012-10-17

ok do that. post an instructable when you can becuase i want to build it and see it in action

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SYMEN (author)innovanna2012-10-17

Ok,will do. I changed the logic bow up some by the way. It uses fewer pieces and has a trigger that doesn't require a rubber band, and also has bow limb reinforcements now. I also put generic stock butts on both of them lol.

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innovanna (author)SYMEN2012-10-17
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Sharir1701 (author)2012-10-16

i don't quite understand what you mean by no friction on the pin, and i find it hard to believe you mounted 20 #64s on it, as well as you shooting it 700 feet. show me a video of it shooting 500 feet and i'll believe you a bit more. they both don't look all that well, definitely not as good as they looked in that picture on knexgurl's orangeboard. does the logic bow have to be so very long? i'm sure you could shorten down the massive part between the handle and the pin? i don't see how it's possible to get a gun to weigh 10-15lbs. anyway, they look as if they could use some work, mostly in size and looks. other than that, there's no reason why a long pin pull and a long finned rod couldn't get around 200-300 feet. my point is, how are they new? i may very well just not understand something, but then again, you didn't explain very clearly all the things you said.

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SYMEN (author)Sharir17012012-10-16

The title was sarcasm obviously. Those pictures were taken long after I posted the picture of my l-bow on knexgurl's orange board. Imagine a firing pin gun without a pin guide. If you so much as put even one band on it, the pin will bend a lot or may even break. That's what I meant by pin friction. The logic bow is able to have no friction on its pin because of the ratchet mechanism at the back. Do you know who killerk is? He made what's called a TR-8, It's a pin gun that reaches 350-450 ft. with 5 or 6 #64's. Try not to take this the wrong way, but are you trying to tell me that killerk is a liar? I got well over 200 ft. with 3 unstretched #64's with the rifle using a gray or black rod with fins made of tape and a few layers of tape at the front which acts as a weight and causes the rod to be heavier at the front making it shoot very far. The weight at the the front of fin ammo is a key point in all of this. A normal TR-36 at least weighs about 10 lbs, so I highly doubt any knex gun would weigh nothing. Would you believe me if I said my logic bow can put holes in steel sheets? I've already changed them up. I cut down the size of the logic bow and finally managed to make the trigger operate on zero bands after wrestling with it a few times as promised. I didn't change much on the rifle. All I did was add a stock butt to it (lol). I'm about to do the same thing with the logic bow. I explained the best way that I could. If I remember anything I left out then I'll add it to the topic. I'll get updated pictures of the guns on the topic when I have the time.

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SYMEN (author)2012-10-15

Nevermind, I fixed it. Enjoy people!

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SYMEN (author)2012-10-15

Uh, why are the images not showing up?

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