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Never throw snowballs at a hummer... Answered

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Around 200 people in Washington DC got a shock after a maroon hummer got caught in the cross-fire of a friendly snowball fight.

The driver got out and pulled a gun.

The driver was a cop...




The cop, who was off-duty at the time of the incident, was later filmed admitting the over-zealous action, saying: "I did it because I got hit with snowballs."

Assistant Chief Pete Newsham said: "We have to see what the entire circumstance was. But just a snowball fight, not in my mind, that doesn't seem a situation where we would pull out a service weapon."

The officer has been placed on desk duty pending the results of an investigation, which could be finished in as quickly as "weeks".


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nutsandbolts_64 (author)2010-06-07

Isn't it as simple as complaining instead of pulling out a gun...

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lemonie (author)2010-01-07

I'm seeing elements of organised-provocation in this. It could be co-incidental, but there's more than one camera and co-ordinated chanting.

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Kiteman (author)lemonie2010-01-07

The snowball fight was organised over the internet (flashball?) - of course they all had cameras.  When people are together with one purpose, it doesn't take much to start a chant.

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lemonie (author)Kiteman2010-01-08

TV cameras. As I said, could be co-incidental.

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Kiteman (author)lemonie2010-01-08

I can't imagine they laid the whole thing as a trap for one off-duty cop.

It's America - they have camera crews of call more efficiently than other countries have medical services on call.


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That's because news pays, medicine costs...

national
headline news, cnn, fox, msnbc, cnn international  x 24

local
brighthouse13 x 24
wkmg, wesh, wofl, wftv x 5
(and this is a woeful undercount, ignoring smaller channels and news magazine shows)

So each day they need to fill 120 hours of national news and 44 hours of local news, you can't run over a squirrel without a news crew showing up to interview the victims family.

It's reached the point where CNN is reading twitter posts and the local news read facebook comments. If we viewed this as a predator/prey relationship I'd predict a crash in the number of news stations soon.

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The CNN / twitter comment re-shapes what I thought, but it's essentially the same. Add in "oh look TV is here" and you've got a "performance".

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Doctor What (author)2010-01-07

Could be resolved in weeks?

That's the system for you.

Taking weeks to see if it is fair to take a gun to a snowball fight.

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Kiteman (author)Doctor What2010-01-07

By the time they've talked to all (200) witnesses, watched all the videos, produces transcripts, filed, copied, cc'ed and published, these things usually take months or years.

"Weeks" is fast.

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DJ Radio (author)2010-01-07
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=SMART= (author)2009-12-23

They should have pelted him with snowballs.
He should be kicked out the force and have to do 6 months community service or something.
That is just a gigantic misuse of power.

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V-Man737 (author)2009-12-23

In a perfect world, the details of how you dealt with snowball fights in elementary school would be examined as a prerequisite for hiring armed officers.
That guy reminds me of so many short-tempered fourth-graders I knew.

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porcupinemamma (author)V-Man7372009-12-23

As a person who supervises said elementary school yards, I've gotta agree with you.  Well put.

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V-Man737 (author)porcupinemamma2009-12-23

^_^ It feels good to have my opinion backed up by a professional.

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Rock Soldier (author)2009-12-22

Huh. I didn't know off duty cops could carry a duty weapon with them.
"SNOWBALL FIGHT!!!!!!"
*Pull out gun* "No."
"..."
"..."
''Okay..."

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Yes, they are under federal law. The law essentially acts as a super "concealed weapon permit" letting officers carry a weapon off duty. However they are still subject to the laws that govern everyone, ie. can't carry into a bar, church, gov't office, sporting events, etc. *

D.C has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, here in Fl, where I live, we have some of the most liberal, and what this guy did is illegal and could be either a misdemeanor "brandishing" of a felony "aggravated assault", under florida law you can only use your weapon to prevent "imminent death or great bodily harm".  And I do mean literally use, if you pull  a weapon and don;t use it, then you weren't subject to "imminent....." and now you have a lot of explaining to do. $

* This is why many celebs and rich people get "Reserve Officer Status".
$ Being a cop, he'll get away with it.

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What is sad is that there ARE a lot of good police persons out there, and this guy will eventually be put back on the streets to make them all look like half mad Castro's, too. 
 

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porcupinemamma (author)Goodhart2009-12-23

So true Goodhart! So true!

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I see, thank for explaining that.

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fwjs28 (author)darkclaw422009-12-22
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Rock Soldier (author)fwjs282009-12-22

Only if he arrested people.

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ItsTheHobbs (author)Rock Soldier2009-12-23

He did. He arrested the guy in the green coat at the end.

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Rock Soldier (author)ItsTheHobbs2009-12-23

I didn't know that, thanks for telling me.

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fwjs28 (author)ItsTheHobbs2009-12-23

yea, i think he arrested a guy 

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thematthatter (author)2009-12-23

People sure do seem to have big (you know whats) when there is a camera rolling.

The guy probably felt threatened about the mob and pulled out his weapon to make people back off.  Crowds like that can easily get out of control.  Especially when they are chanting and all that.

If you look at the video the other police officer on the scene kept his hand on his service weapon, so they had to elevate the force needed to control the situation.


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Wasagi (author)2009-12-23

 I live only a hop skip and a jump away from DC, and I heard about this yesterday. I was hanging out with my friend, and his step mom was talking about how a bunch of her friends got in a giant snowball fight at 14th and U, and then the cop showed up. Of course, DC is full of young people and there were at least three video cameras, and hundreds of still cameras, so there's probably thousands of pictures of it on Facebook. Needless to say, that guy is super-deep-sh*t, he's going to get fired, he's screwed.

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travw (author)2009-12-23
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Goodhart (author)2009-12-22

Think much (or ever before?)

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