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Oodammo Pistols Discussion Answered

Well, I just have finals this week and then I'm done with school. Long story short, I got into classes at the college and they finish earlier than the high school does so I pretty much will be graduated but without a diploma for a couple weeks. Fun! Anyways, I'm not in the mood for making anything big. However, I did want to put this to rest if need be. Do we need another oodammo pistol?

Let's just take a quick poll. What's everyone's favorite oodammo pistol and why? No, I don't need ego food so be honest.
Next, what don't you like about your favorite? What could be improved with it?

If I do find enough valid suggestions, I'll make a 4th oodassault pistol. If I find that it's mostly just a matter of preference between features (i.e. size/pieces/looks vs durability, clips vs magazines, etc.) then I'll leave it at that. Others will be welcome to leach off this thread and try their hand at one too as long as they announce that they are doing so.

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Kona-chan (author)2016-09-08

never really got into oodammo, dunno why

I heard good stuff about it tho

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TheDunkis (author)Kona-chan2016-09-08

It's basically the best ammo (more in the sense that it's the least bad) to fire other than finned ammo. And I dunno, at first it started as a novelty for me, just be the first person to come up with a practical, magazine-fed repeater for Oodammo. Then it turned more into a challenge to make a practical war weapon. I'm still decided that if I go to a war, I'm going to use my Oodassault.

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Kona-chan (author)TheDunkis2016-09-13

but what are the advantages over a magfed pin/rail riflle?

I would imagine that oodammo would reload slower.

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TheDunkis (author)Kona-chan2016-09-13

Better range and accuracy really. You could test for yourself if you have a TR available. Load yellow rods or whatever ammo you like best (other than finned ammo which obviously would be superior anyway) and some Oodammo, then do some fairly long distance shooting. Rods tend to spin out quite wildly, often flying way off the mark at far enough distances. Oodammo usually continues a fairly straight trajectory, even if it begins to tumble.


And actually, no, I developed the latest Oodassault pistols to have a really quick reload process, basically an en bloc clip, faster than even most removable mag setups and definitely faster than manually reloading a turret one by one. In theory, you could scale this up into a stocked weapon, perhaps with a railpin for more range. I just like the compactness of a pistol.

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Linkin_J_Knex (author)2016-07-31

Fudge. I tried making an oodammo pistol that looks as good as this and has slide action, and failed XD I'm such a K'nex gun noob. Hopefully I can get something to work eventually though

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TheDunkis (author)Linkin_J_Knex2016-08-01

The very first version of my Oodassault 3 was actually slide action, but I decided that the slide wasn't all that necessary. Just keep at it. Honestly, you missed the Oodammo pistol craze by a good while but it's always interesting to see people's different designs. Something I was trying to sort out was a way to separate the rounds in the magazine to reduce friction, perhaps you could figure out something?

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Linkin_J_Knex (author)TheDunkis2016-09-02

Yeah, I missed the golden age of K'nex *sigh* Thank you though, I may have a crack at what you tried :)

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TheDunkis (author)Linkin_J_Knex2016-09-02

It is a bit disappointing, activity is down and it's more difficult to come up with an original idea. But just keep at it. Something you could try is building other people's Oodammo pistols and figure out what it is you like about each one and what could be improved. Then use what you learned to make your own.

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Linkin_J_Knex (author)TheDunkis2016-09-06

Thanks a bunch. Any recommended users or builds? I'm sick of all the repeat pistols that don't even work that I see everywhere XD

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TheDunkis (author)Linkin_J_Knex2016-09-06

My main competitor was the Mezak. Eh, the names of others escape me. I think Killersafecracker (something to that effect) made a couple promising designs that I also competed with. Those would be a start.

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Wow, very nice gun! How long did it take you to design/build it?

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Well, I can't accurately say because the idea for the barrel came a bit before and then I figured out I could give it a slide but didn't really have a gun in mind to use it for. Then one day I happened upon another user's slide action Oodammo pistol and I was less than impressed, figured I could do better remembering the slide and barrel I came up with. I got right to building it and from what I can remember I built it pretty fast, I think on the same day or the next day after seeing the user's post.

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shadowninja31 (author)2011-05-02

What would an smg type be like? I kinda don't guns that are too small, but an smg sized gun would turn out well, especially since you would have a little more room to work and a larger mag. Your choice though.

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TheDunkis (author)shadowninja312011-05-02

SMG? As far as I'm concerned, there's only three types of K'nex guns as far as size goes, pistols, carbines, and then rifles.
Pistols are pretty much all guns that can be wielded with one hand effectively.
Carbines are usually most effectively wielded with two hands and usually have a stock.
And then for slingshots, rails guns, etc. things that utilize a barrel longer than a grey length firing pin I'd call these rifles.

All practical guns are either carbines or pistols. I prefer pistols because they're piece efficient and very easy to handle. Other people prefer having a stock to brace against themselves while cocking. And then slingshots are overrated. Rail guns could be made useful but they're somewhat overkill considering not even the strongest pin guns are that useful for battles.

As far as making a oodammo carbine, I don't get the point because everything effective about oodammo can be found in a pistol. If range is of your concern, use a TR. I don't see a point in going in between, but that's just me.

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shadowninja31 (author)TheDunkis2011-05-05

Well I was thinking of one more like the size of your UMP. I don't want to have too much dead space like a lot of rifles, but I don't like too small of them either.

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TheDunkis (author)shadowninja312011-05-05

What makes them too small? The only thing I could see arguing is a pin guide, but I really find range an overrated stat if a war weapon is what you have in mind.

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shadowninja31 (author)TheDunkis2011-05-05

I think it's partly personal preference, but pistols don't feel strong enough (not sure if that is the word I'm looking for...). I like a little bit bigger of guns. Just my preference I guess.

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instruct39 (author)2011-05-03

i think maybe one last good oodasault would be nice. the last one was kind of a bit bulky, but i would definately keep the yellow rod mag.

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TheDunkis (author)instruct392011-05-03

Bulky? How so? It's one of the more compact designs from what I've seen. The handle could be slimmed, I'll give that. Otherwise most people don't want to settle for three-layered guns due to their asthenophobia in weapon designs. The universe forbid I don't stack up twenty rubber bands and chuck my gun at a concrete wall every time I see one.

Okay, so a yellow rod magazine, any other features you'd like?

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instruct39 (author)TheDunkis2011-05-04

thinking back again, i think you are right it was just that the handle felt more large(bulky) to my small hand and that i was used to three layer handles. one question, what does asthenophobia mean? all i know is that it is a fear of something. other than the yellow rod mag i cant really think of anything else i would really want

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TheDunkis (author)instruct392011-05-04

Yeah, the problem with handles I design is they were made for me, and I have average lengthed but skinny fingers, so I'll tend to make wide and short handle.
Anyways, for a lack of a better phobia to use, that one is fear of weakness, more specifically of fainting. I applied it to K'nex weapons to mean the fear of your weapons being too weak and breaking. There was a "movement" I guess you could say at one time to standardize five-layered guns. It just sort of happened after people complained about flimsiness of three-layered guns as we were moving into the age of power weapons without tube barrels.

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instruct39 (author)TheDunkis2011-05-05

oooh, cool! ill be looking forward to your decision

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Lowney (author)2011-05-04

When I have some free time and post my assault rifle then I'll probably have a crack at a pistol, maybe a little larger to incorporate a stock with a pin guide, but that might be slightly unnecessary anyway.

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TheDunkis (author)2011-04-30

I figured just for fun, I'd go through the history of my Oodassault pistols quickly. Feel free to ignore, I'm mostly doing this for myself.
Oodassault 1- Posted topic on KI. Oodammo was a new concept. I wanted to be the first to make a repeater utilizing the ammo. This crude weapon was made quickly based on my other assault pistols of the time.
Oodast 2- bitz decided to make the rising sun. I wanted to improve the oodast concept and made a completely new one.
Oodast 2.5 (2.1 really, it was in one go)- The one I posted here. It was the first oodammo pistol on ibles. Was very well received at first and then fell obsolete.
Compact Oodammo Pistol- I don't remember when I made this, but it was a morph of my bolt action of the time into a pistol. It was purely for displaying the trigger, and it was only shown at KI.
Cpct(T)- I don't remember exactly when I made this either, but it was only a mod of the last pistol to add a turret.
Oodast 3- And here comes the pistol we now know and love. It was a challenge to DJ for making a decent slide action oodammo pistol. It used a new barrel concept I came up with at the time and wanted to display.
Oodast 3.1- So I did technically do this before Killerk. I got rid of the slide and added a tilting mag so it could compete with the MeZak.
Oodast 3.3- The 3.2 simply changed the magazine so it wouldn't be a direct copy of the MeZak's. Then I remade it and extended it. I posted this new version, and while it was still respectable, it was far from as great as I was hoping.
Oodast 3.6- The 3.5 made most of the changes but wasn't quite as reliable as I found after the video. I fixed the magazine and posted this much more capable weapon. At this point, I figured it was on equal grounds with the MeZak.
Oodast 3.7- I made a few usability enhancements to make it require less tweaking on the user's part to be reliable. Didn't post but it was my pride and joy for a while.
Oodannoy- Never really named it. I just made a cute little pistol that could be easily built for small wars.
FOG- Don't think I named this one either. It was my folding gun modded to fire oodammo. It wasn't really a pistol but it did interest me in possibly making a new one. While it worked, it was more about being the most compact folding weapon of the time.
Oodast 3.8- After taking a nice break, KK finally got me into make another remake. This focused on the quick loading of clips.
Oodast 3.9- Finally, I'm finishing the series off with a randomly built, failed improvement. I originally was testing a new pin concept and it didn't work. Any other mods are pretty clear, except that it's easier to lock the pusher, but requires the firing pin to be cocked to use clips. Not really worth posting a thread for at the time.

So yeah, that kept me occupied for a good while. If you're interested, good for you. Otherwise I just liked looking back at the progress I made. I'm hoping I can just kill my work on oodammo pistols soon. -_-

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DJ Radio (author)TheDunkis2011-05-03

I feel special having played a role in the v3 Oodast's.

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TheDunkis (author)DJ Radio2011-05-03

I feel more special for having played a role in starting up oodammo pistols in the first place. It's not to say they wouldn't have started without me, but I did show the first one on KI and posted the first one here.

Anywho, as I remember, I had the trigger and barrel design already figured out at the time. I realized that the barrel could use a compact slide. I just didn't have a clue what I'd bother using this for. Your slide action pistol finally gave me the idea to make another oodammo pistol. A lot of my weapons came out of inspired retaliation, if you want to call it that. I think the TDS came from wanting to offer another option to DSman's pistol. And the UMP came after Trauts' MP5. El Mosquito came after...whatever OKP (correct name?) ripoff that was out at the time.

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~KGB~ (author)2011-05-03

I like the mezak very much, but its very unreliable, i vuilt it 3 times and it worked only once... after all the hassel id just build an oodasault lol XD

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beanieostrich (author)2011-05-01

I personally like your Version 3.3 the best because of the simple SEAR mech, and the nice mag design. But mine is shorter than yours because your 17 round mag would fly off by the time you got to the 8th shot.

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TheDunkis (author)beanieostrich2011-05-01

And that's why I made the 3.5 and later revisions with the ~12 round magazine that was perfectly reliable by the 3.7+ revisions.

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TheFoofinator (author)2011-05-01

Wow. I didn't expect this! My favourite has to be the original (Picture 3) Purely for its simplicity and reliability, oh and the trigger. I love the slide-action one (picture 6).

Things I don't like on an Oodammo pistol:
>Turrets
>Single shot (blugh!)
>Colossal Mags
>Mag Pushers that are a pin (It defeats the whole idea of it being a compact pistol.)

Things I like to see on an Oodammo pistol:
>Tilt mag
>Internal Mag pusher
>Slide-Action
>Decent trigger
>Compact

Suggestions:
>Use the shotgun's rail system, but small, so you can have a red-rod sized firing pin with black rod pull-back.
>Keep the awesome handle!

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TheDunkis (author)TheFoofinator2011-05-01

Well, the only problems I see is that a tilting mag and an internal pusher would be pretty difficult to incorporate together. You'd have to make like a separate part of the magazine that goes above the gun. Otherwise, the bands would be hooked to the gun which would stretch when you tilt the magazine. I've tried it but then the whole tilting gets finicky.
Then there's also the railpin concept, and I don't know how strong it is. If I can get it to withstand two 64s then I'll be satisfied. I don't see the gun being to compact, though.
And then the slide would be purely aesthetic so I wouldn't add one. There's a reason I took it off for the rest of the V3 series.

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