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Universe in a box Answered

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I want these so badly it isn't even funny.

From particle zoo:

"The UNIVERSE-IN-A-BOX contains all the particles from the Standard Model plus four theoreticals and two nucleons, for a total of 22 particles, covering most of the known universe."

The site also sells large versions of all of these. :O Want. I know what my next sewing project is...well...I guess actually my second or third next one... ;)

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Fizzxwizz (author)2009-08-16

Man! I clicked on the thing to this to read about it because a miniature universe sounded crazy to me, and now I've read the comments more that the article and I realized instructables has the|""BEST""EVER""| commenters and some of the best parts of reading an instructable is reading the comments.

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jeff-o (author)Fizzxwizz2009-08-19

Honestly if I'd known I was opening a Pandora's Box I would have limited my comment to "I like the one with three eyes!" or something. Or would that be discrimination against the particles with two eyes?

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Fizzxwizz (author)jeff-o2009-08-22

Well... I think some boxes are meant to be opened. But on the three eyed note, I think you'd best be careful, some of those two eyed ones look like they're on to you.

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Lithium Rain (author)Fizzxwizz2009-08-17

:-D I'm so glad you think so, too!

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=SMART= (author)2009-08-10

$100 !!!!!!!!!!!!! Somebody needs to make these !

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jeff-o (author)=SMART=2009-08-11

Actually, I think that $100 isn't so bad, considering each one is handmade by a hardworking MAKER somewhere in North America. I'd buy a set if I were more interested in pure physics.

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=SMART= (author)jeff-o2009-08-11

would you pay $100 to a hard working MAKER in Asia ? if not then thats racist....

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Gjdj3 (author)=SMART=2009-08-11

Actually, more region-ist than racist.

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Unit042 (author)Gjdj32009-08-12

No, it's provincialist. Favoring your own area above others. And yes, I would rather pay an american to do the work, as I know he/she will not paint it with lead. (Zing!) Now, why did asia, and then racism name-calling, fire up only after a hardworking american was mentioned? Can someone sort out what everyone meant?

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kelseymh (author)Unit0422009-08-17

=SMART= wasn't name-calling (as he clarified within the thread). Jeff-o wasn't being either racist or provincialist. As I noted in the course of the discussion, the cost of both materials and labor is substantially higher in North America than in most of Asia. Also, Jeff-o noted that making and selling piecerate is inherently more expensive than bulk (assembly line) production.

And nobody mentioned "hardworking american" (sic). Jeff-o was careful to refer to the whole continent, not a particular national group, and rightly so. Given the relative states of their public educational (or should that be "edjimacational") systems, it is far more likely that a hardworking Canadian would have both the interest in and wherewithal to figure out, cute but meaningful representations for particle physics concepts.

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Unit042 (author)kelseymh2009-08-19

"Actually, I think that $100 isn't so bad, considering each one is handmade by a hardworking MAKER somewhere in North America. I'd buy a set if I were more interested in pure physics." North America is close enough, right? And what was the animated gif image for, anyway, if not calling something racist? I'm a terrible debater, I'll just shutup now. PS: I still want the term "racist", when used as an insult, erased from the liberal media's vocabulary. Then again, I don't watch news that much, as Rush Limbaugh translates political circuses for me. Oh, boy, there I go again, my big mouth......Digging my own grave.....

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kelseymh (author)Unit0422009-08-19

A pity you didn't shut up when you said you would, instead of trolling for a flame war.

The animated GIF was a lolcat posted specifically as an ironical comment to =SMART='s comment.

It is interesting to me how conservatives (especially the overwhelmingly dominant conservative media) don't seem to have any understanding of irony or humor, until they use those words to try to weasel out of their own obtuse bashing of any opposing viewpoint.

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Rotten194 (author)kelseymh2009-08-18

*pout*
I'm american, and am in public school....

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kelseymh (author)Rotten1942009-08-19

I'm American, too, and a product of the 1970's and 1980's California public education system (right through my Bachelor's degree!). Doesn't make the statistical statement less valid, unfortunately.

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jeff-o (author)=SMART=2009-08-11

All I'm saying is that these are clearly not mass produced, so cost per unit is much higher. That's an OK price considering.

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=SMART= (author)jeff-o2009-08-13
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kelseymh (author)=SMART=2009-08-11

I suggest you rethink throwing around inflammatory and slanderous accusations.

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=SMART= (author)kelseymh2009-08-13

Tis not an accusation, merely an observation. I perceived him to appear to justify the high price because it was made by an American, as apposed to the usual Asian producers, thus insinuating the American worker was better or of higher merit.

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kelseymh (author)=SMART=2009-08-13

Sorry, it was an accusation. Racism is an extremely loaded term, as you well know, and to pretend otherwise is disingenuous. Jeff-o's comment is exactly equivalent to the economic analysis summary I presented, and with which you agreed. The price charged for items produced in Asia is lower than the price for the same items produced in North America. That can happen, obviously, because the production costs, including labor, is lower in many Asian countries. Labor can be paid less in those countries because the cost of living is lower. This results in a comparative advantage for those countries compared to North America.

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=SMART= (author)kelseymh2009-08-13

Note i said "if not".. i diddnt say "You're racist" which would have been an accusation. I know Jeff-o isnt racist and that's not what I'm trying to say.

What I'm saying is you cant decide how much you would pay for a product or how much is reasonable to pay, based on where or by whom that product is produced, if you do then that is provincialist/racist whatever. I'm not saying this at jeff-o, I'm not saying that's what he is doing, I'm just saying you cant do it.

Anyway as jeff-o said "it's a fair price considering the low volume and high quality of the product" which is fine and completely reasonable.

I just said it because at the time of posting it seemed like people were justifying the price because it was being made by an American, To be honest i think i got the wrong impression from the other comments, and I'm sorry if others got the wrong impression from mine.

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jeff-o (author)=SMART=2009-08-13

Not at all. Just that it's a fair price considering the low volume and high quality of the product.

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Unit042 (author)Lithium Rain2009-08-12

If it weren't for the text, I'd think the pictured boy was shouting "That's pizza!" Then again, my lip-reading skills are untrustworthy.

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kelseymh (author)=SMART=2009-08-11

As I and Jeff-o noted, "somebody" does make these. As discussed on their About page, Julie Peasley is it. Everything from the Maker to the Sender.

Can you tell me what 100 divided by 22 is?

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D.L.H. (author)kelseymh2009-08-11

$4.5454545454545454545 etc.

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kelseymh (author)D.L.H.2009-08-11

Awww...I was hoping SMART would do the math; now you've given it away!

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kelseymh (author)2009-08-10

Expensive. Definitely make them yourself, but while you're doing so, keep track of (a) how much material you use, and (b) how much time each one takes.

When you're done, add up those numbers (use an approximate $6/hour minimum wage), and let us know exactly how much it cost to make.

For extra credit, compare your cost to the price that Julie is charging, and exercise some intellectual honesty to decide whether your original statement was accurate or not.

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arylic (author)kelseymh2009-08-10

Wow $6 hour ? In Fiji a hardworking packing boy gets $10 a day from 6 am to 7 pm.

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arylic (author)arylic2009-08-10

Guess how much i pay my secretary ? i pay her $30 a day. Thats the highest wages on the position.

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kelseymh (author)arylic2009-08-11

So? What is the typical cost of living (total monthly expenses for food, clothing, rent, transportation) in Fiji? Now compare that to the same quantity in the U.S. Comparing numerical values is intellectually vacuous without an understanding and comparson of the contet in which those numbers appear.

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=SMART= (author)kelseymh2009-08-11

Quality of life differs, and thus the money required to achieve the average quality of life differs. Comparing numerical values is intellectually vacuous without an understanding and comparson of the context in which those numbers appear. ha !

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kelseymh (author)=SMART=2009-08-11

Yes indeed! We're both right :-) Since "quality of life" is an obviously subjective evaluation, "cost of living" is the normal quantitative measure used by economists, sociologists, and public health experts as a stand-in. It measures the "minimum" requirements for a non-destitute "quality of life". One may reasonably infer that any income beyond that minimum is usable (and used) for discretionary spending to improve or increase one's "quality of life."

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=SMART= (author)kelseymh2009-08-13

Yes, in economics the income that is beyond what you need is called "Disposable Income"

What you need is also interesting as it differs between countries, and is constantly changing.

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kelseymh (author)=SMART=2009-08-13

Yes, indeed! And can sometimes be hard to quantify.

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arylic (author)=SMART=2009-08-11

Yeah . Now that i am well established i am planning to get married by 18 with a good canadian or american chick.

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arylic (author)kelseymh2009-08-11

I bet fiji has low cost of living cause many thing here are cheap. When i was in the US i found out that 1 Kg banana costs $5.00 and in Fiji we usually buy a bundle containing about 10 banana in each for $1.00. The rent here is also cheap and charged monthly around $ 200 - $500. My monthly expenese is around $300,000 and i still feel like a king with just that small amount of money.

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Lithium Rain (author)kelseymh2009-08-10

Well, "expensive" is a relative term - different people have different views of what is expensive, based on their income and attitude towards money. Expensive to me is chump change to Donald Trump. ;)

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kelseymh (author)Lithium Rain2009-08-10

True enough! My comment was designed to take some of that into account. If Skyfinity finds that s/he can make one of the particle plushies for much less than is being charged, then I think we'd all agree that they are "expensive" (in the sense of the price being primarily profit). On the other hand, if s/he discovers that it costs more for him/her to make one from scratch, than to purchase it, then the price isn't "expensive" (since it is lower than the cost of production).

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Rock Soldier (author)kelseymh2009-08-10

I would think they would be priced higher than the material used to make them, or then the company would loose money.

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kelseymh (author)Rock Soldier2009-08-10

"Company" is speaking rather loosely. As discussed on their About page, Julie Peasley is it. Everything from the Maker to the Sender.

You are probably right with your guess, and that was rather my point to Skyfinity. We don't actually know what the cost of materials is, or how long it takes to make one (by hand!). Once you have that information, you can then judge for yourself whether the price is "too expensive" or not.

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Rock Soldier (author)kelseymh2009-08-10

"Company" is speaking rather loosely. As discussed on their About page, Julie Peasley is it. Everything from the Maker to the Sender.
I just guessed.

Once you have that information, you can then judge for yourself whether the price is "too expensive" or not.
When you say you?

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Skyfinity (author)Rock Soldier2009-08-10

I'm sorry you guys.
My backtalk page was getting kinda lonely, so I commented to drum up a conversation. I didn't mean to start a fight.

I am sure that these little guys are worth every penny considering how much work it took to make, package, sell, and make a reality of someone's thoughts of cute sub-atomic plushies. I have to say though, that if I saw them in a museum shop, I would be interested, but would pass, because of the price. Not because they weren't worth it, but because they weren't worth that much for me.

I have no problem with the person who is making these and the price they chose to sell them at, as I was just making a stupid comment which I have removed (also because I used the wrong they're, and I'll be kicking myself for days).

Kelseymh, you're a great instructable-r and are seem to be a very productive and active member on the site, bringing your insight to many subjects. Despite this, I (meaning me, Skyfinity, the guy) can't help but feel the comment you made above was a bit aggressive and made me feel pretty stupid. I know you didn't mean to, just as I didn't mean to sound stupid.

So lets come out of this as the most awesome commenters on instructables! Ok?

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Goodhart (author)Skyfinity2009-08-11

So lets come out of this as the most awesome commenters on instructables! Ok?

Hmm? ;-)

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