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I am sure that I'm not the only one with these feelings about the changes in the site "permissions" concerning guests viewing instructables. I have been looking at this site (which I love, by the way), but something that's really, well, stuck in my craw, is the fact that guests cannot view all steps or view other pictures. What purpose does this accomplish? Are the admins trying to bolster the number of members? Just because a viewer doesn't have an account does not mean that he shouldn't be allowed to view all the pictures. I am also having trouble understanding why the admins don't allow guests to view all steps. The site hasn't always been like this. Not too long ago anyone could use most of the understandable viewing features. An excerpt from the Terms and Condidtions of Use (from section 7, subsection F, first sentence): " Instructables, in its sole and absolute discretion, may preserve Content and may also disclose Content if required to do so by law or judicial or governmental mandate or as reasonably determined useful by us to protect the rights, property or personal safety of Instructables, Instructables users and the public." (go look at the last three words again) I don't know about anyone else, but I think that not seeing all the pictures detracts from the educational viewing experience. If anyone has a good perspective on this, I'd love to hear why the site is like this.

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n0ukf (author)2010-03-21

Worse now is that Dad can't View All Steps while I can, and we're both basic free memberships. When he clicks on the View All Steps block, he gets a message saying he's not a Pro member. When I view an ible, I get View All Steps by default.

How can they treat us differently when we have the same level accounts?

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LoneWolf (author)n0ukf2010-03-22

It's not that your being treated differently....the change doesn't take affect until you try to update your account, then it stops letting you.

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yourcat (author)2009-04-28

" Instructables, in its sole and absolute discretion, may preserve Content and may also disclose Content if required to do so by law or judicial or governmental mandate or as reasonably determined useful by us to protect the rights, property or personal safety of Instructables, Instructables users and the public."

But if I'M the one that released it under attribution-noncommercial-sharealike, I don't WANT ibles censoring my pictures from ANYONE! If you've seen my ible on the paperclip catapult, you know that is INCOMPLETE without all the pictures!

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NachoMahma (author)yourcat2009-04-29

. Then post it on another site and put a link in your iBle that is visible to guests. The content is still yours to do with as you please. Ibles is only one of many sites where you instructions would be appropriate. Spread The Gospel Of Yourcat! . . While "censoring" is technically correct, with the connotations it carries, I think you're overstating things. . . IMNSHO, pictures should be an adjunct. The text should be able to stand alone. YMMV.

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Lithium Rain (author)yourcat2009-04-28

Nae worries - it says preserve...disclose...not censor!

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yourcat (author)Lithium Rain2009-04-29

But guests can't get much of anything out of my ible...

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kelseymh (author)yourcat2009-04-29

Then you did a poor job writing your I'ble (by definition).

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kelseymh (author)yourcat2009-04-28

If you're that desperate to hack around I'bles terms of service, why don't you capture the PDF yourself, reupload the file into your image library, and attach it as the first image to a new step in your I'ble. Then you can stop complaining, and stop throwing around incorrect and unncecessarily inflamatory terminology

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Kiteman (author)2009-04-28

"Here, have this free cream-cake."

> Gobble, munch, num Wait a minute, there are no cherries on this cake! Not having cherries on my free cake detracts from my eating experience.

> If anyone has a good perspective on this, I'd love to know why this free cake isn't the one I want?

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NachoMahma (author)Kiteman2009-04-28
. You certainly have a way with words, sir.

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gmjhowe (author)2009-04-28

Do correct me if i am wrong, but i signed up 2 years ago, mainly to use the view all steps feature. This has never been a non-member feature.

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Lithium Rain (author)gmjhowe2009-04-28

I signed up a little bit before you did - guests could still view allsteps without signing up at that point.

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gmjhowe (author)Lithium Rain2009-04-28

Aha, its was view all steps as default that i signed up for.

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thecheese429 (author)gmjhowe2009-04-28

I don't remember how long, but several years ago one didn't need to sign up for that.

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kelseymh (author)thecheese4292009-04-28

The fact that you're only noticing now kind of make the original complaint just a tad overdue. Since there is no cost or charge for membership, and no distribution or use of registration data outside of I'bles, and users may elect never to receive any e-mail from I'bles at all, I don't really see your point.

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yourcat (author)2009-04-28

!!! this has about the highest comments to views ratio I've seen!

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NathanWilliams (author)2009-04-27

To stay open, Instructables need to make money. They currently make their money mostly from advertising. Advertisers are probably easier to get with a decent member count, as opposed to random guests. I think the site going down from no funding would be a bigger hit to the educational value, then a 1 minute sign up form is!

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Lftndbt (author)NathanWilliams2009-04-27

I think the site going down from no funding would be a bigger hit to the educational value, then a 1 minute sign up form is!

Well said.

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Lithium Rain (author)2009-04-27

Look at the rest of the words. "to protect the rights, property or personal safety" of same. Are your rights, property or personal safety damaged by this? No. To encourage people to sign up, of course. If they don't want to sign up, they just keep clicking "next step". The site is free, so signing up shouldn't be such a humongous deal I shouldn't think...it's not even that big a hassle, ~ 1 minute and you're done.

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Although, not everyone has an email(You do need an email right? I can't remember)

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You do. Okay, sign up for a free mail! Aussiemail.com.au - get a free webmail account (I use mine just to sign up for stuff to hold back the tide of spam) and it confuzzles stalkers nine different ways as a bonus!

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10 points!
Besides, signing up for a free email and signing up for Instructables would take like...*counts on my hand* Two minutes!

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