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What other prgrams are "pre loaded" on my computer such as batch and vbs.  That i can make my own files with?

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steveastrouk (author)2010-03-01

There always good old BASIC

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orksecurity (author)steveastrouk2010-03-01

Which is less frequently pre-installed, these days.

As others have said, plenty of free options -- including Java, which is a bit more beginner-friendly than C or C++ but syntactically very similar to them and so might be a good stepping-stone in that direction.

The real question is "What do you want to do"? Different languages/tools are better for different things.

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steveastrouk (author)orksecurity2010-03-01

Preinstalled ? I wonder when it was last officially part of the distribution ?

PhP has been suggested as an "introductory" language, I'm not too sure. As a hardware engineer writing software, I think its too abstracted, but that's just me.

Steve

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NachoMahma (author)steveastrouk2010-03-01

> an "introductory" language
.  Not that I'm an expert, but when ppl ask me which language they should learn first, I always tell them it doesn't really matter. The concepts (comparison, loops, branches, &c) are the important part. If you are smart enough to learn one languge, you are probably smart enough to easily port that knowledge to another one.

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NachoMahma (author)steveastrouk2010-03-01

.  From what I can see, as time goes by there are fewer and fewer programmers and more scripters.
.  But that's the natural progression of things. Several decades ago, one had to be a bit of an auto mechanic in order to drive a car. Now most of us just turn the key and steer/brake. Shouldn't be too long before we buckle up and give it an address to go to.

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steveastrouk (author)NachoMahma2010-03-01

As I see it, scripting is less powerful than programming ?

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NachoMahma (author)steveastrouk2010-03-01

.  I dunno about "less powerful," but scripting is nearly always less flexible.
.  But we're dealing with at least four words (programming, scripting, powerful, and flexible) that have widely varying definitions. ;)
.  I look at it as low- to high-level. The higher the level, the less direct control you have of registers, bits, &c. Scripting is the high end. A lower-level language can do anything a higher-level language can, but it will probably take a lot more lines of code. Microcode is the lowest level. ML and assembler are one step higher. Then BASIC, FORTRAN, &c. Somewhere in here is a loose boundary between low- and high-level). Then HyperTalk, &c. ... But those are just my definitions.

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steveastrouk (author)NachoMahma2010-03-01

My first programs, after basic, were written in machine code directly, because I couldn't afford an assembler.....now that really teaches you to appreciate short programs, running on naked iron.

NOWAY I'd do it like that now.
;-)
Steve

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frollard (author)2010-03-01

There are no other scripting engines built into a standard (presumably windows) installation.  If you want to learn to program, you'll need to install a code editor and compiler to build programs for various languages.  Recommended is C/C++.  It's not too beginner tolerant, but the language is a great step because it can make anything from small apps to entire operating systems.

There are free compilers available online, just google them.

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Koosie (author)frollard2010-03-01

JavaFX is also very good.  Provided freely and with great support.

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