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Which Cellphone watch with camera should I buy? Answered

Hello, I want to buy a cellhpone watch with camera. I have a Casio Wristcam WQV-3 but it is broken and had only 0.25 Megapixel ;-) Unfortunaly there are many different models. The descriptions at ebay, dealextreme.com. sonicdigitals.info, eemobi.cn etc. are long but there is nothing about menus/usability, thickness, quality and so on. On youtube a few videos can be found, but not for all models. Maybee someone here has one? "Wishlist": 1.Cardslot, not internal only 2.1,3 Megapixel Cam. Sample Pictures? (Blog, Flickr, Own..) 3.Videorecording 4.Touchscreen 5.Writing/Grafiti, not only virtual keyboard 6.Sketchpad, even with the low resoulution 7.Thin (some are very thick) 8.J2ME or another posibility to write programms German letters would be nice, but optional. Should cost arround $200 incl. shipping+tax to europe or a tad more/less. Unfortunaly so far I could only find the q007 with Java/midp2 support, but it has only 128 MB build in and no extension slot. Thanks in advance!

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rhettsmile (author)2010-03-03

hehe, I have read your demand

If you want to find a  wrist watch phone with Bluetooth, Camera, Touchscreen, it's a easy thing, but you need a watch phone with a sketchpad, J2ME, this is a troublesome business, may be I can recommend a site for you, there are many different watch phones in the mobile phone list, you can search in it.
the site is:
www.espow.com

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schorhr (author)rhettsmile2010-03-04

Thank you for your reply.
The site has many different watch phones, but nearly all links in the product category lead to "product not found", and feature banners lead to different products then on the immage.
Also, from the products I was able to view, I'dd say it is the same thing. The box says 1,3 Megapixel, the shop says 1,3mp, but it is just interpolated VGA resolution. Also, what I got told by a chinese seller, is that "java" often simply referrs to build in games, without actually providing j2me or java functionality. 

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schorhr (author)billalice2008-08-27

Hello, as you might have read I have looked for many watch phone; As it seems (and one Hong Kong dealer told so myself) the stats are not allways correct. You can see this if you read the feature list of the F1: 1,4" TFT 320x240 This is highly doubtable. Also keep in mind that most "1,3 Megapixel Camera" will actually only have 640x480 (0,3 MP)! Java is another issue why returned my watchphone: Those watches wich have "Java" on the description or even on the box usualy have games installed (but no real java / j2me / mdip support). The only dealer that told me via email for certain that their watch supports Java2me ("...we will publish a developer kit...") was vanderled, but their watch costs 299 Euro- so about 440 Dollars excluding shipping. Also it seems to be not available at the moment. I think these "first generation all in one watch+camera+phone" devices are just not ready yet. Lots of false specs, copied models, and they are really, really huge- I can not stress that enough. Especially the ones with cameras are just LARGE beyond comfort (and I am neither skinny nor do I usualy care about watch size)

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billalice (author)2008-08-27

Has anyone buy the F1 watch phone from totobay ? what's the watch phone model can support Java function ? Thanks.

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br34k (author)2008-05-28

Hey schorhr, have you received the phone... any views on it? Does it support java apps?

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schorhr (author)br34k2008-06-04

Received it yesturday. Its the 128 MB version, even though 1024 MB was advertised. Only VGA/640x480/0.3 Megapixel are selectable, not the advertised 1.3 (which are even advertised on the box!) The german shop shipped the wrong color, too. Java does not work, at least there is no way to install it (not a recognized filetype in the watch file manager). If you can live with a VERRRY large watch, VGA Camera and 128 MB memory, it is really neat. The software works fine, though the letter recognition delay could be shorter. As soon as I get on my fiancees laptop I will finish editing the video snapshots I made and post again. I might order a m810 watch or so since I found a german seller at ebay and a webshop that offer a few different models, maybee I will go for the v2, I am not sure yet. I will really miss the 1.66" TFT, it was huge and was a bit of an excuse for the thickness of the device. The 1.3" TFT watchphones are still (almost) as thick and I doubt 1.3" will be as easy to use with a finger instead of the mini stylus thats parked in the wrist. My advice for anyone that wants a watchphone: Get it localy or somewhere with a no-questions-asked return service (which is standard for mailorders in many european countries anyway). They are thick, at least the models with camera. Do not believe everything advertised... be prepared that the resolution is not as high and java will only work on a few models out there- probably only on the 300 Euro versions not the 100-150 Euro models from ebay and other sources. (if you know one that supports java/j2me for sure, please let me know). More soon.

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schorhr (author)br34k2008-05-28

Unfortunaly not yet, else I'dd have posted a review for sure ;-) The (german) company does not have it in stock as they promised when i called them up, so now they receive the watch from their warehouse in Hong Kong. According to their mail from last week it was sent monday and arrived there today, so I might get it by mail tomorrow- if I am lucky and IF it really arrived in germany allready. Its hard to believe they ship it across the world in three days, but who knows. Are you thinking of buying one as well? If so, what kind?

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killerjackalope (author)schorhr2008-05-29

You'd be amazed, we can get post to america from UK in a few days using our awful royal mail... I'd say germany's mail system's better, judging on what I've seen from our dealings with them.

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schorhr (author)killerjackalope2008-05-29

Usualy its pretty good, average one day dilivery for national mail, but the problem are imports- when I order at hobbycity, dealextreme or such, only one out of ten envelopes or parcels makes it way through without a "customs" sticker. One reason I decided to order at a german shop, especially since they claimed to have it in stock... which they obviously had not.

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killerjackalope (author)schorhr2008-05-29

Hmm Our customs aren't too bad, mainly because there's a special tax loophole the likes of amazon love to take advantage of, meaning that customs aren't bothered unless it's suspect or clearly alot more valuable than marked... Ours is one day delivery for national first class and one to two days for 2nd class... That include mainland to N.I. and vice versa...

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schorhr (author)killerjackalope2008-05-29

In europe there is a 22 Euro (17 british pounds) free tax value for commercial goods. Fortunaly, they will raise it to 150 euro end of the year. Yey.

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killerjackalope (author)schorhr2008-05-29

There are loopholes for uk though so we don't pay the tax...

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killerjackalope (author)schorhr2008-05-29

It has to do with some islands that are kinda part of the UK, I can't remember their names now... Bascially you skip the stamp duty and pay VAT only...

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br34k (author)schorhr2008-05-28

Unfortunately what I'm looking for in a watch phone (stylish, slim, java support) is basically non existant lol... so looking for the next best thing

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schorhr (author)br34k2008-05-28

What are your exact criterea?
If you can live with a watchpone that has no camera, there are several slim models. Also, there are one or two announced that run windows mobile and look really slim ( http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS4466992453.html , and another one I saw on ebay which has vanished though and I did not bookmark the running auction, but it was a "buy now" item sold for $999).
The watchphones with camera are all rather bulky, but I had the impression that the q007 is a bit better to wear since it is out of one piece and has rounded edges.

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br34k (author)schorhr2008-05-29

well ideally i'd like a slim, stylish watch phone with gprs and java support AND under $250 lol. do u perhaps know of any? q007 seems to be the only option although it is a little bit thick, and i am unsure of the java support and you seem to be my only contact that will soon be able to tell me about the support :)

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schorhr (author)2008-05-17

Sorry for the circuit picture, there was a problem with Opera and the picture upload function.

Anyway, I have now ordered the Analong Q007 with 1GB Memory at https://www.mobile-gadgets.net, which offers it for a little over $200 (€132) including shipping, and since it is a german based company I wont pay customs/tax (as I would when importing it from china) and will most likely receive it within a week.

The larger 1.66" screen was the main reason I choose the Q-007 and not the V2 (which is neat and has a cardslot, but almost as bulky and 1.3" is really smaller).

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xACIDITYx (author)2008-05-12

Do they sell anything such as this in America that I could use on MY cell phone network perhaps?

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schorhr (author)xACIDITYx2008-05-12

Darn, im confused now. I have found the Q007 now with memory slot at babiken.com

q007 PRO: 1.6" (which is astonishing larger then 1.3", I cut out some paper square)
q007 CON: No Dialkeys, a bit more expensive at some shops, no radio, specified with VGA/0.3m Camera, a bit more bulky

V2 PRO: More memory included, Dialpad
V2 CON: Smaller display, looks a bit wierd with the half-meta-half-plastic strap

Display Size Comparison
http://www.nottoxic.com/wapcc/ae/aqua/watchphonesizecomparison.png

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xACIDITYx (author)schorhr2008-05-12

Hmm. Personally, the V2 looks a little nicer and has the more memory and dialpad. But the 007 has a larger screen. I think the V2 is the better choice, unless screen size is a necessity for you.

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schorhr (author)xACIDITYx2008-05-12

Will you get one, too? Its about $129 at ebay (v2), plus s/h and tax/customs. Yes, the v2 seems to be nicer, though my main problem is that I have not found anything about real camera resolution nor a proof that java/j2me really works :-( Else I could get a cheaper cam or one from a german store (2 year warrenty, low shipping, no tax/customs, 14 day send-back-no-questions-asked)... Yes, the larger screen is a neat thing. Especially if I want to create some j2me-java applications or doodle ( I was actually thinking of doing some low quality on-the-go oekaki comicdoodles ). 1.6" is quite larger then 1.3" if you have a direct comparison. I would not mind if those devices had no pen input, but 1,6" is about half a inch wider then the 1.3"! Ah well. Still time to decide, but I want to order it soon. As for the memory, both have a card slot (at least the version of the q007 at soem stores, the v2 allways does).

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xACIDITYx (author)schorhr2008-05-12

I may get one or something else like it. I didn't know about this underground chinese cell phone market. lol! Did the v2 have a touchscreen? I'm assuming so. IDK still, I might want to get something else from totobay or dealextreme other than a Watch type cell phone. Maybe an ifone copy or a horizontal slider with full keyboard ;-)

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schorhr (author)xACIDITYx2008-05-12

Watch out for the iphone clones, as they are obvious copies and depending on the country, custom office (and mood) they might get confiscated. Yes, the v2 has a 1.3" touchscreen. All these watches do except for the flip-open kind and the one that looks like a regular phone with a wristband :-) I ordered lots of small stuff at DX, but <22 Euro it will go through costums without any fees and such. Also, if you are into r/c planes check out hobbycity.com :-)

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xACIDITYx (author)schorhr2008-05-12

Okay, I'll keep a lookout.

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schorhr (author)xACIDITYx2008-05-12

Hi Skate6566; Yes they do. Most stores from asia will sell triband phones in different versions to reach all the customers in europe AND USA.
There are 850/1800/1900 MHz and 900/1800/1900 MHz versions.

To quote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri_band
850 MHz (In America)
900 MHz (In Europe and many parts of Asia and Latin America)
1800 MHz (In Europe and Asia and many parts of Latin America)
1900 MHz (In America)

But check with your cellphone service provider.

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xACIDITYx (author)schorhr2008-05-12

Also, if I were to get a QUAD-band phone, I'd be good because that covers all 4 bands?

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schorhr (author)xACIDITYx2008-05-12

As in my initial post there are many diferent sites; If you are afraid of scams use ebay (buyer protection) or more reliable companies (i for example have ordered at Dealextreme.com which habe some watchphones occasonaly but not the one I want, if they had that one I would order it there). I do not know about totobay, but seems like they have several sellers just like on ebay stores? You can also get phones cheap in china / hongkong etc., it is not allways a sign of poor quality- but can be. Reasons why it is so cheap: -You buy directly at a wholesale company, if you buy it in your country you will allways pay a retailer/store and of course import/shipping/tax and stock. Also employees get payed much more in your country then in a china warehouse. -Sometimes you will get phones that are similar or a copy. "Ifone" or "Eyefon" for example. They have less features but look the same. Also you might get problems in customs since they violate copyrightlaw, patents and so on. -Do not forget Tax/custom fees! Here in germany I have to add 19% tax and probably arround 3-5% custom fees for cellphones depending on what they are categorized as at the custom office. If you are lucky they will not charge customs&tax;, since the companies declare no value or less then what its actually worth. This is illegal and you must pay it anyway (but no one would actually walk to the customs office and fill out a form I suppose if it slips through). They often declare it as "gift, $5". Here in Germany/Europe this is illegal. Even for smaller stuff companies do that (even though here everything below 22 Euro (34 Dollars) is tax/customs free- even commercial. If its more expensive the shipping will be taxed, too!) Quadband is good, but I doubt anyone needs it unless traveling between Europe, Africa and USA. Even if, you could just get a service provider that uses the frequency your phone supports.

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xACIDITYx (author)schorhr2008-05-12

Why are lots of the watch phones cheaper than normal phones? Is that totobay site poor quality or is it because they don't have as many features and whatnot?

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xACIDITYx (author)schorhr2008-05-12

Awesome. Thanks for the info!

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schorhr (author)2008-05-11

With all the geeks arround here I would have expected more feedback ;-)

Now this is the one I will probably buy in the next days:
The "V2", which has a keypad in the wrist, 1,3" touchscreen, Java, Radio, Camera+Video, Mediaplayer, "Wap 2.0", USB; etc.
It comes with a bluetooth headset and usualy two batteries.

Unfortunaly all german shops (where I would have more warrenty rights) only sell n899, q007, m800 and such which either do not support JAVA or do not have a cardslot to extend memory.

The q007 would be my first choice because of the physically larger display, but 128 MB is really not enough.

While the nearest "local" store is some shop in the netherlands where it costs twice as much, I can get it via ebay for less then $190 including shipping, so I will end up arround 145 Euro / $ with tax- including 1 GB Memorycard.
With ebay&paypal I have at least some fraud protection as ebay claims to refund money if a seller is not delivering.

Here is a (mute but detailed) video of the watch and the menus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3W9A_7Uhl4

And a site with details (Triband version with 900MHz):
http://totobay.com/v2-triband-watch-phone-with-stereo-bluetooth-function-gsm-900-1800-1900-p6206.html#description

I doubt that it is 320x240.
I think it is an error since most stores state "QVGA" for the watches and then 180x120 or similar. They devided VGA = 640x480 /4 = 180x120 while QVGA is really 320x240...

Also lots of phonewatch camera sites state 1,3 Megapixel while its really 0,3 (VGA) or interpolated to 1.3m; I hope this watch has real 1,3m but oh heck, my casio wqv 3 hat 0.02m so it is still a improvement :-)

Besides those aspects I just hope it is really able to run J2me/java applications, because it is one of the main reasons I choose that particular model. It would enable me to write own applications or run some free/opensource stuff.

Also the attached dialpad in the wrist makes it easier to call without using the stylus but also seems to make the whole watch rather "solid", while you can take other models appart and just put the phonewatch without strap in your pocket (but I have read that the watch comes off the strap to easily).

So I am aware of the flaws and wrong statements- all of them I hope :-)

If no one has any further ideas/suggestions/thoughts I will probably buy it soon and report how its working.

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schorhr (author)2008-05-09

Thanks, but any idea which one to buy? I have seen some chineese deals at ebay (phone watch "m810") but I am not sure if it really supports Java Micro Edition since on other offers Jave is not mentioned.

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