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Why the Advancements in Knex Gun Technology Have Stopped Answered

     I, as many other members of the online k’nex gun making community may have, noticed that particular aspects of k’nex weaponry have stopped evolving. The very best k’nex guns of today are guns such as the TR18, the ZKAR, and other far shooting, rapid-fire guns. Now that’s fine, but other aspects of guns have stopped evolving, and innovation has been halted. This is ironic considering many of our communities best builders belong to forum with innovation in its name, and we have so many builders advocating innovation in everything they say. The reason for this lack of new ideas is that the members of our community are not sharing their ideas with each other and encouraging others to build off them. I will explain this theory in my following paragraph.
      Out of everything that has been made in the world, it was all developed because people want to top each other and people build off of each other’s ideas and accomplishments. Unfortunately, this is not happening in the k’nex online community. The biggest example is the everlasting KI/Instructables rift that has separated k’nex builders since even before the creation of Knex Innovation. No knexer even thinks of sharing the guns they’re developing with a knexer of the opposing site. Even bigger than that though, is the reluctance to share ideas with anyone. How many times have you seen people anywhere saying that they are building a new gun, but they won’t share pictures because they’re scared of people copying them? This is what hampers all creativity and innovation. If people cannot build off the ideas of other people, we will never advance. Sure we’ve gotten this far off people’s successful ideas that they’ve posted, but imagine how far we could be if everyone shared their failures as well. We could fix the guns that others could not get to work. Imagine all the possibilities if every single mech anyone ever tried to make was open to the public to use and improve on. Now this happens not only in Instructables where everyone goes crazy if they think someone even slightly copied their gun, and never shares their ideas with others except for those rare collaborations. This also happens at KI where there is a whole “secret forum” that the most experienced builders and contest winners get to see, where they post their ideas where all the other builders can’t see them. This selfishness needs to end so that we can continue innovating and creating new guns and ideas.

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Knex Lego Maniac (author)2011-06-17

i just pulled out the knex again today working on a shotgun!

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Sketch98 (author)2011-06-16

no knexer would ever think to share their gun with a knexer of the other site

Better not tell myself about my other personality's new secret gun then. Oh noes schizophrenia.

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TheDunkis (author)Sketch982011-06-18

If you look around, you'll notice there is a forum thread with an invitation to the KI chat, as well as another about the semi auto gun they recently developed there.

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TheFoofinator (author)2010-08-19

Please tell all the KIers this, they keep their designs to themselves and their secret KI chatrooms.

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jollex (author)TheFoofinator2010-08-19

Lol, no they don't. They share their designs in their public KI chatroom.

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TheFoofinator (author)jollex2010-08-20

They told me to go away and leave them alone

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jollex (author)TheFoofinator2010-08-20

Then you probably annoyed them. It's not like you have to listen to them.

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TheFoofinator (author)jollex2010-08-20

I literally went onto KiChat, said Hi and then they said go away and bye to me.

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jollex (author)TheFoofinator2010-08-20

They do that to everyone. You have to learn to not care about what they say.

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knexfan9182 (author)2010-08-19

OMG THOSE KI JERKS HIDE EVEYTHIGN ON THERE WEBSIT AD NOT POST IT HARE

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jollex (author)knexfan91822010-08-19

OMG THOSE IBLES JERKS HIDE EVERYTHING ON THEIR WEBSITE AND DONT POST IT ON KI

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Sketch98 (author)2010-07-21

We have to start another contest for the most innovative gun.

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The Jamalam (author)Sketch982010-08-08

That's not the way to go, you can't have read what he said. We aren't advancing because of all this competition: if we work together we will start to continue onwards and upwards.

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GrandeSwag (author)2010-07-15

Every good gun has been developed through collaborations in KIchat. There hasn't been a single post in the secret forum for over a year. The answer to why "advancements have stopped" is because the TR18 is simply too hard to beat.

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TheDunkis (author)GrandeSwag2010-07-16

It's because you guys don't seem (key word, not saying it's fact but that it appears to be) to be willing to try new things. If it sounds complicated, it's impractical. You could improve the TRs in many ways. Removable turrets, firing mechanism located as far back in the gun for a more compact weapon. Maybe use a rail system like Solekiller's to have a further drawback. Stop worrying about simplicity and reliability to try out some new things and then improve them. And who says they need to be war worthy? What happened to making things just for the sake of them being cool? Your lever action was a good example of just doing something because it sounds awesome, no matter if it does or doesn't work out. The other KIers seem to be more focused on war weapons though.

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Sketch98 (author)TheDunkis2010-07-21

I'm going to try the rail system soon after i build my full-auto gun. It may not work until i can get more knex though.

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GrandeSwag (author)TheDunkis2010-07-16

Just because we don't post links to things everywhere doesn't mean we aren't trying new things. :)

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crestind (author)GrandeSwag2010-07-18

^This. Go to KIChat more Jollex.

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Lol, curse you and KILLERK!

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stale56 (author)GrandeSwag2010-07-16

Not only because it's too hard, but also because nobdy WANTS to try to beat it. Everybody is content with it as it is and don't need any improvements; which is bad because as advancements stop, people may start to lose interest in making K'nex guns. In a few years, K'nex wars will still be using TR18s and NARs, if people still have that "too hard to beat" additude.

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DJ Radio (author)stale562010-07-16

I have a new turret idea, and I'm willing to post it here. It uses the fin rounds that the NAR uses.

Basically, you build the TR turret without white rods, and make all ammo you load go out the back of the turret, and the ammo itself acts as the turret stopper instead of white rods.

ADVANTAGES:
- No power loss in the white rod on the old TR turret
- Supports rear- loading

DISADVANTAGES:
- Will not work with oodammo
- Fin ammo can not be rear-loaded.

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TheDunkis (author)DJ Radio2010-07-16

But then the turret will have further time to spin before the bullet clears the barrel, causing potential inaccuracy.

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Raz1r Knex Bull3t (author)2010-07-17

Well, not all innovation is dead. There is still watchmen's new slim and clean looking fmg-9 that I'm waiting for to be posted. But I kind of agree with jollex. Maybe instead of rivalry we could all share ideas.

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You should post something.

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what like an instructable? If so I can't because I don't have a camera :(. I'm sorry.

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lemonie (author)2010-07-18


It's a limited system. Like people stopped using stone and moved on to bronze, and iron. If you've put all your collective efforts into it, it may be time to move on and do something else with it or make your guns from something different.

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crestind (author)2010-07-18

Because everyone is waiting for others to post something.

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knexguy (author)2010-07-18

Nobody posts enough any more. I'm not really one to talk, I know, but I think if more people posted decent things, people would mod them and the community would be stimulated.

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DJ Radio (author)2010-07-16

I notice most of this topic is based off of the KI/ibles rivalry, which I haven't seen in months. In other words, I consider said rivalry dead. What Bitz has said is entirely true.

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jollex (author)DJ Radio2010-07-16

A lot of it is also based on the attitude of ibles knexers.

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DJ Radio (author)jollex2010-07-16

So anyways, I have a turret idea posted in the comments below.

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altair ibn la ahad (author)2010-07-16

maybe it because no invented a new real gun yet.

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