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Will the Waves ever Die? Answered

Think about it, the age is the Digital Dawn of the day, anologue Television is already being planned to me completely removed from the air waves in 2009 to make way for the "supposedly" DIGITAL SUPURIOUR HD crap. I don't watch that much TV to begin with so it doesn't bother me. But what about FM radio, is that ever going to die? Chances are probably not for a few years, seeing how the AM spectrum is still kicking around. How long can our traditional ways last? I'd be fairly sad to see FM leave the game. Really, we've had radio since the dawn of the technical age, from the 40's through the 80's (remember the days?). I just wanna see what anyone else has to say.

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NachoMahma (author)2008-02-10

. I say you're much too young to be getting nostalgic - leave that to me and Goodhart. Embrace change and have a good Life.

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Punkguyta (author)NachoMahma2008-02-10

I feel nostalgia through my soul, and it burns with a passion. Yeah you're right, I wasn't around in the 80's, but I wish I was, just from what I've learned about what there was back then. Makes me miss the simpler times, even back in the 90s when I was a young buckaroo, the atmosphere was just... different.

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homba (author)Punkguyta2008-02-13

The 80's weren't all that great, either. All my friends parents were getting downsized - the early 80's had some pretty tough financial times.AIDS was just starting and was one of the most frightening things imaginable. USSR was still a threat and pretty scary. Mauve carpet was in style - yuck. Radio Shack wasn't a cell phone store, yet - and reasonably priced. Mainstream music was crap back then. too. Rap was just starting . Madonna was hot , Return of the Jedi just came out - mmm ... Princess Leah But then some things got better and some got worse. It's all in how you frame things. Man, am I an oldster here? When did the 80's become nostalgic? :)

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Punkguyta (author)homba2008-02-13

The 80's were probably better than you think, and the times were probably better than they are today. In 20 years, we're gonna be looking at "2000" just like we're looking at the 80's at this prescent day. Don't foget we had the nice little 9/11 scene, I'm pretty sure any date before then was probably better. And yes, Radioshack used to actually be ran by some somewhat normal people with somewhat normal prices!! Pfff say goodbye to that now and hellow circuit city corp. (bullshit). I enjoy some of the 80's rap. Just think, 50, biggie, Pac, wouldn't have been the start of them without those crazy guys in yellow jumpsuits spinning around on their heads. Madonna was "exceptional" for her age, but now her music is just as bad as MJ's. 80's were also the "mainstream" era for star wars, mmmm starfighters. Oldster? I don't know, how "oldster" are you? And the 80's became nostalgic when dial up was phazed out in the 90's. :p

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homba (author)Punkguyta2008-02-13

mid 30's so I pretty much remember the 80's and 90's ... the 70' are a little hazy - probably for a lot of people from what I understand nudge> :) I think it depends what part of the country and how you grow up. We lived in the rust belt and got hit pretty hard economically. The 90's got better but good jobs have never really recovered well in these parts. We had our 1st child in July 2001, so 9/11 was pretty weird - I remember apologizing to this little innocent child for the crazy world we brought him into. I try not to get nostalgic about anything these days, but try to live consciously and enjoy the good that I have right now. Of course, it doesn't always work, but it helps. I'm happier today than I've ever been and it's mostly just a decision to be so.

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Punkguyta (author)Punkguyta2008-02-13

Mmmm Electric Blue and Balloon Red Mauve carpet...

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ll.13 (author)Punkguyta2008-02-13

ditto. =) even the crappy 1999/2000 europop/pop songs.... it's changed!

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Punkguyta (author)ll.132008-02-13

Hey at least someone agrees to me. Blue Oyster Cult anyone? There was some pretty good music recorded back then that everyone STILL listens to over this new hip hop crap we got, MY HUMPS MY LOVELY LADY HUMPS anyone?

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ll.13 (author)Punkguyta2008-02-13

Billy Piper, ATC (all around the world).... xD don't you mean: When the sun shines, we’ll shine together ...... Now that it's raining more than ever Know that we'll still have each other You can stand under my umbrella You can stand under my umbrella

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Brennn10 (author)2008-02-10

No more FM, means no more NPR. That would be terrible.

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gmoon (author)Brennn102008-02-13

A BIG reason for this shift is $$$$, not superior technology.

The FM band (US) is 87.5 to 108.0 MHz, or just over 10 mHz total.

But broadcast TV signals occupy 5 or 6 mHz per channel. The range of wavelengths set aside for TV (in the US) is about 500 mHz total (a little less, as some UHF bands have already been co-opted by cell phones, etc.)

So the TV bandwidth is ~50X the FM bandwidth. I don't see them taking FM in the foreseeable future. It's still economically viable, and the TV band is a HUGE carcass for the bandwidth vultures.

Wiki on broadcast TV bands

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Punkguyta (author)Brennn102008-02-13

Now that I think of it, I'm sure there would be a COUPLE radio stations left around because FM is one of the best "emergency" broadcast stations.

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uguy (author)2008-02-11

Will the waves ever die? Not as long as there is the moon making the tides rise and fall and there is wind blowing on the water.

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Punkguyta (author)uguy2008-02-13

It's possible the winds may one day stop isn't it?

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chooseausername (author)2008-02-11

Here, they are planning to remove analogue TV for 2011.
Soon, they should start digital radio too. But I have no clue if they will remove FM and AM ...

They are experimenting HDTV, but with 576 lines (PAL), it's almost HD already. =o)
So I really enjoy the quality of the picture with DVB-T ...... when the decoder works correctly !

Yes, because everything digitals also means software bugs and firmware update !
Cheap decoders tend to work for few months, and all of a sudden, they starts to bug ... Sound and picture no more synchronized ... Does not detect every channels anymore ...
Go to guess where it does come from ! The decoder ? The aerial ? Cables ? or from the emitter ? ...
And when you want to upgrade the firmware (when technically possible), you discover that the company mysteriously vanished from the internet ... So you wasted 40 euros ...

The same goes with all those Chinese Video DVD/MPEG4/XVID/DIVX readers ... and you waste time and money for a new digital tech that is, finally, not even indispensable ..........

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Here, they are planning to remove analogue TV for 2011.
Soon, they should start digital radio too. But I have no clue if they will remove FM and AM ...

. I'm pretty sure here in north america they have it planned for 09 unless it's been extended, where do you live?

They are experimenting HDTV, but with 576 lines (PAL), it's almost HD already. =o)
So I really enjoy the quality of the picture with DVB-T ...... when the decoder works correctly !

.Personally I've never watched DVB-T, I've heard lots about it though.

Yes, because everything digitals also means software bugs and firmware update !
Cheap decoders tend to work for few months, and all of a sudden, they starts to bug ... Sound and picture no more synchronized ... Does not detect every channels anymore ...
Go to guess where it does come from ! The decoder ? The aerial ? Cables ? or from the emitter ? ...
And when you want to upgrade the firmware (when technically possible), you discover that the company mysteriously vanished from the internet ... So you wasted 40 euros ...

.Pretty sweet when that happens eh?

The same goes with all those Chinese Video DVD/MPEG4/XVID/DIVX readers ... and you waste time and money for a new digital tech that is, finally, not even indispensable ..........

. Hey now, I've seen some pretty nice Chinese knockoff mp4 players. My neighbour actually bought an ipod thinking it was actually an ipod, then when he was showing me it, I noticed how the interface had NOTHING to do with being an apple product. He didn't pay as much as an ipod for it, but he still wanted a real one..yes Texan's aren't too smart with tech.. hehe.

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its a lion (author)Punkguyta2008-02-11

I believe he is in France. But yeah, its still '09.

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Punkguyta (author)its a lion2008-02-13

Ahh, thank your lion. Rawr.

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They gave us digital and didn't change the resolution at all, I hate watching TV on freeview, think 50 tv with built in decoder that's being forced to run old standard res tv You have to sit at a certain distance or it's either fuzzy or pixelated...

See the crappy little digi boxes when they're dead chuck 'em, I don't mind buying one for a tenner and getting a years worth out of, stealing all the good components out of it then ridding myself of it...

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We were thinking of going to digital TV when my isp is "Apparently" rolling out a tv demand service from their servers this year. I've already had to get a new modem from them because of it (apparently all the update was for was a built in 4 port router - to go to the set top box you know?). Hopefully I have better luck than you with my set top box. I think they only want like $40 for it.

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The service providers are generally ok, however here in belfast we've cracked the sky hd set top box, it's pretty pricey though... still in a few months you've saved the cost. The little freeview boxes aren't too bad, considering they get all the DAB radio stations on them aswell... However you need a good ariel or they get hopeless...

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Freeview box for what? Satellite? Can't you do the same with a tv tuner card for your computer?

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yeah the freeview box is a set top box for tv's to make them digital...

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Ohhhh, but it's still receiving Arial signals?

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ll.13 (author)2008-02-13

No, they won't die, (or if they do let's set up pirate radio stations!)

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ledzep567 (author)2008-02-10

unless they decide that sirius and XM radio are like the HD tv and are "superior" to FM. but i doubt that seeing as they are company names where Hd is something that any company can adapt to.

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Punkguyta (author)ledzep5672008-02-10

It was looking like that at one point, but with all these "Royalty" fees and all that government bullshit, yeah you're right.

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ledzep567 (author)Punkguyta2008-02-11

on a sorta unrelated note, a guy my dad worked with bought stock in Sirius when they first came out for 5 dollars a stock and now they are something around 50-100 dollars per stock. needless to say, he made a very good decision lol

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Punkguyta (author)ledzep5672008-02-12

hehe, yes he's a lucky duck. But satellite radio still isn't "for sure", I definatly look forward to seeing what comes of that 700mhz auction.

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killerjackalope (author)2008-02-10

Nah think of all the free eqipment suddenly available, members of the public will be running FM stations...

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Hilarious thing, I was just on the phone with my buddy a half hour ago and he was saying how he wanted to broadcast an online radio station through a FM tower (Re: American Heathen ), possibly through his TV tower in his back yard.

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There are a few houses up the hill from me with big transmission ariels just sitting there, If they let me I'd be doing broadcasting through them using a modified wifi link as a means to get it from my house to theirs... and having spoken to one of them we did a test, the hill overlooks the whole of belfast and the valley is covered all the way to cavehill, that means a full capital city for the taking!

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That's not bad at all. Although you'd have to make sure the transmission levels were "legal".

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yeah, such a plan also it would be cheap to run and there'd be good advertising oppurtunities since loads of people woud still have FM radios in cars

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