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# Would you pay 1800GBP to pass the test?

Back in the day - more than thirty years ago - all British children had to sit and pass the "eleven plus" examination.

A set of multiple-choice questions, it determined your entire future, because only by passing could you get to a grammar school, and hence to university.

Although the 11+ has passed away, there are still 164 grammar schools that can only be entered by passing an exam, and it has recently been revealed that some parents spend as much as 1800GBP to train their children to pass the test.

Could you pass?

Follow this link to take a short version of the test - the timer is running, you have ten minutes to answer 15 questions.

14/15 Number 15, the last number pattern is what stumped me.

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Same here. Of course, if you take the test three more times, I'm sure you could figure it out =p

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12/15 with 7 something minutes left.

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10/15 the second time with 6:40 left.

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7/15 not bad for 5 min!

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9/15 with exactly 4:37 left.

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:( I hardly understand the first question..

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Remove the F from scarf, leaves scar. Move it to rail, makes frail.

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Remove the R from frail, leaves fail..

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lol

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Ooo, I do believe that was a win!

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I did that! without looking at the comment!

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Top of the class!You've scored 15 out of 15.Oh yeah :D

To be fair I had better have passed that test, given I passed my pseudo-11+ twelve years ago and have spent 10 of the intervening years in education. I had 11 seconds left on the clock, the last numbers-in-brackets questions stumped me for a while but I successfully got all the patterns with no guesses.

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Interesting. Looks like an IQ test, rather than the standardized tests given in the US. What age is this given at? "Primary" and "Grammar" aren't helpful terms over here.

We've had parents on our work "parents" email list ask questions like "How can I prepare my child for the 3rd grade STAR exams" (which are standardized curriculum-based tests), so I'm not surprised that parents there pay for preparation.

Do students practice this sort of thing in primary schools? It doesn't look like the sort of thing that one can actually TEACH toward (which is a big criticism of standardized tests in the US), but practice helps. For example, I completely misunderstood the "codes" instructions, and I find that as an adult I've completely lost the ability to do those number sequence things (though I recall that I used to enjoy them.) It also seems like a longer test would be easier (if it's half/half words/math); I gained time on all the word problems and used it up on the "math" (except, it's not actually "math", is it?)

More amusingly, I've noticed that my daughter's GYM class is now "teaching to the test" (Ca has a physical fitness test), and she got branded something like "dorkiest ever" for admitting to playing Word games on facebook.

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It's given at age 10/11, when children have been in primary school for 6 years and are about to move to secondary. Students do practise these but of course you can only teach it so much- I think the idea is that you are learning to look at a problem and see the pattern behind it, rather than be taught a bunch of techniques like long division (that a calculator could do much more efficiently) and just parrot them. The maths problems are maths, but they are more like "real world" maths- they aren't posed as "what is 8*7", more like "hey what's up with these numbers?". A major problem with the way maths is taught to children is that when faced with a real world problem and not told which technique to use, they are often stumped- I think that is the rationale behind questions like these.

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Grammar beckons!You've scored 13 out of 15.

One Sequence mistake and one fill in the missing number. But time didn't run out for me at least :-)

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7/15 - I aced the words and failed on the math. :-\

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12/15...

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Don't feel bad, I did the same. 8/15 EPIC MATH FAIL

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13/15 - I am now humiliated!

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Top of the class! You've scored 13 out of 15. But I spent a bit on the numerical codes before i figured it out. The fill in the missing numbers kicked my butt, and I guessed on the last section.

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13 out of 15...that test is hard!

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That's what I got, but I rushed it (4 minutes).

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Same :-) (The guilt question was totally unfair as the answer is much more commonly used over there ;P) I'm not really surprised parents spend tons of money on it: its like the SATs here. However, I think this test is much easier to practice for: Just knowing the sorts of questions would give you a huge head over someone who knew nothing about it. The SAT is (supposedly) designed to minimize that, and I think they do a decent job. Sure there's guides & such, but they can only review what you've been taught over the last 5 years.

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Full marks but that is ridiculous... I can't believe that's the stuff they need to know... I got an A at my 11-plus and regret it, grammar schools are bad IMHO.

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10/15, but I only had 3:23 left on the clock I failed 1 word completion, 1 numerical code, 2 fill in the missing numbers, and one number sequence.

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