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general hunting question? "gun" !! UPDATED MARCH 23 2008 !! Answered

Who here acctually hunts? and who owns guns?Does anyone have a license? Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:44 am There was recently a comment left on this thread asking if paintballing counts, (headshots) and then i thought all of you people come on here and say that it's not right to shoot animals when people get joy out of shooting each other!! Now i know that it is not fatal to one but i must say at least if we are killing animals it is not just for the sake of killing them, at least it if for food or for selling etc. What does shooting other people show obviously not respect. What is the real point behind it.Truthfully i Dont care i am trying to make a point. What do you think?

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rickick (author)2008-03-23

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ry25920 (author)2008-03-15

I got a head shot in paintball. Does that count? He didn't move. Well, he didn't move because he couldn't see anything. He could see anything because paint completly covered his mask.

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rickick (author)ry259202008-03-23

lol umm. . not to shure wha to say about that, but that brings up a really good point

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xACIDITYx (author)2008-03-14

I've been hunting for 2 years; I'm thirteen. I got a Doe both years, no buck yet. I own a 30-30 and a 20 gauge shotgun and hope to get a .22 soon.

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canida (author)2007-07-08

I've got a license, but the only thing I've successfully shot was the (tasty) duck who donated his feet to my duck mouse. It's mainly a question of free time. ;)
I want to do some pig hunting- they're obnoxious and invasive here in CA, adn apparently quite tasty.

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rickick (author)canida2008-03-12

what kind of duck was it?? there are many different kinds

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canida (author)rickick2008-03-13
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Goodhart (author)canida2008-03-13

Nice looking duck, they are:

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Goodhart (author)canida2008-02-01

Hmm, most of our pigs are in barns here, which makes it not very sporting to shoot them ( lol *sorry* ).

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rickick (author)canida2007-07-08

What kind of gun do you own , and is your license a hunting license?

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Bran (author)2007-07-08

I'm 13 and I own 7 guns. I hunt deer (I might hunt a few squirrels this year, try my hand at taxidermy) and I totally enjoy it. I mean, there is nothing like waking up at 4 in the morning, driving for an hour, and sitting in freezing cold weather freezing your butt off on a cold, steel tree stand. I don't need a license as my dad hunts with me (in a separate stand, though not too far away). A lot of people who do not own guns think I am a wild kid, and am going to shoot someone sometime. Not if I can help it. I know the dangers of guns, I know they ain't toys. I just don't understand people who are against guns, and even more so, hunting. Oh, and I extremely dislike when things (like the VT ) happen, and people think that all people with guns are crazy and stuff and want to ban all personally owned guns. Usually only the people who obtain guns illegally are the ones who use them for illegal purposes. But they mess it all up for the rest of us responsible gun owners. By the way, just a quick question, rickick, do you own guns/hunt? Good question.

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sonataarctican (author)Bran2007-07-08

I am against hunting because, well think about it, there is a deer alone, drinking water, and you just have to put a bullet through its head for no apparent reason. I understand if you are hunting for food... But for pleasure? Even if it were for food, its still terrible, unless you were dirt broke, and living on the streets, and all you owned were some scraps of clothes,a .40 caliber rifle, and a pack bullets, and were desperate for food.

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jtobako (author)sonataarctican2008-01-24

Population control. There are two choices-nature or man. Nature will control the population by either 1) predation (classic 7 year rabbit/owl/fox cycle) or 2) starvation (to many animals for the area to feed). Number one results in the animal being chased down and torn apart. Number two is a long, drawn out suffering that only ends when the animal is to weak to get to water and dehydrates or catches something and dies of disease. Well, think about it.

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rickick (author)jtobako2008-02-01

WE ARE AT THE TOP OF THE FOOD CHAIN

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jtobako (author)rickick2008-02-01

That's a meaningless statement. Mostly because our main killer is ourselves : ) But otherwise because it's an oversimplification.

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rickick (author)jtobako2008-02-29

I wouldnt say meaningless, everything means something

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jtobako (author)rickick2008-02-29

You wouldn't , I did, and very few things have meaning : )

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Goodhart (author)rickick2008-02-01

hmmm, ok into the lion's den you go.....no implements other then your wits to prove you are at the top LOL

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So... raising millions of cows, sheep, pigs, chickens, turkeys, ect in over-crowded, often dirty enclosuers and then slaughtering them is not terrible? Personally I think hunting deer for food is better. You can eat the meat, turn the hide into clothing, use the bones, hooves and antlers for crafting anything from kinves to cribbage boards to decorations. On top of that the deer wasn't fed steroids or antibiotics or anything else, and he got to spend his time alive roaming through meadows and woods and mountains. But beyond all that- if you are not a vegetarian then the meat you do eat came from an animal that was just as alive as the deer. Think about it.

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jtobako (author)paintedskull.com2008-01-25

Native americans get this great press about using all parts of the buffalo-but what part of the cow (or pig) wasn't (isn't) used? Just a personal peeve : ) Oh, and don't forget that the deer got to play with all the other wild animals, like feral dogs and wolves, dig 3 feet of snow off it's food in winter, and play dodge-em on the highway : ) Subsistence living only looks good.

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NachoMahma (author)jtobako2008-01-26

> but what part of the cow (or pig) wasn't (isn't) used? . Here in the southern US, the only parts that aren't eaten are the oink and the moo. ;) Intestines, hearts, tongues, brains, &c; are all eaten by many people around here. Even the hooves and ears are used - for pet treats (my dogs love them).

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Have you guys seen the recent recall on beef because of what a Cali plant was doing to cows?! Back to the point of how farmed animals are raised. This Cali plant was dragging lame, downed, LIVE cows with chains by their legs and necks, backing over them with fork lifts -KNOWINGLY RUNNING THEM OVER- while trying to get into correct positions to use the forklifts to move the cows, and beating them to try to get them to slaughter. These cows were sick, thin, and could not stand. Yes, I know, in nature animals are killed. They are ripped apart by wolves, they starve when there's a drought, they suffer from injury. It's nature. It's a cycle, it's not pointless cruelty. I guess what I'm trying to point out is that I'd rather harvest directly from nature than reap the fruits of man's cruelty; the mass pointless cruelty inflicted UNESSISARILY on penned animals. I tip my hat to all the respectable ranchers out there, but I'll be damned if I can say anything good about most livestock mills. I don't mean to rant like this, but it really just ticks me off. IMO, nature is far less cruel than man. Man is the only living thing I have ever seen actually take pure delight in watching another creature twist and suffer and writhe in pain. It sickens me! Also I didn't mean to indicate that Native Americans use all parts of the animal and we don't. What I meant was that you personally could use every bit of the harvested animal and directly reap the benefits and apply them to everyday life. I have fun making projects from deer hide, the skulls & bones, & the hooves. It can also act as a history/cultural lesson for young ones, to teach about how folks lived before industrialization.

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jtobako (author)paintedskull.com2008-02-20

Shrikes. Ichthon wasps. Fungal diseases that eat the still living host... Mankind has had good teachers.

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Goodhart (author)Pat Sowers2008-01-20

Unless he's facing you....and that is a tough shot too.

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Pat Sowers (author)Goodhart2008-01-20

you shouldnt take that shot when hunting unless you have to

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rickick (author)Pat Sowers2008-02-01

I wouldnt Take that shot period

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Pat Sowers (author)rickick2008-02-01

unless it is a danger to you. thats what i ment.

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Goodhart (author)Pat Sowers2008-01-20

Well, I never had the opportunity either way. In the 5 years I hunted, over 30+ years ago, I never saw anything but Doe during Buck season. And the one time I saw them, they were real up close and personal like. I could hear the breath of the lead doe when she pulled up short. :-)

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Pat Sowers (author)Goodhart2008-01-21

you got to get back out there!!!!! go hunting!!!! get the buck you always wanted!!!!!

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Goodhart (author)Pat Sowers2008-01-21

the initial expense it a bit prohibitive at this point, and my wife would be less than happy about spending time alone....which is what makes it so hard to get to things like the upcoming H.O.P.E. convention, or anything else that involves more than an hour of traveling or an overnight stay or more. I would love to have some venison again though *sigh*

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Pat Sowers (author)Goodhart2008-01-21

i wish i could give you some

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Goodhart (author)Pat Sowers2008-01-21

That's nice of you. I would actually buy from a local person if it wasn't illegal .

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Goodhart (author)Pat Sowers2008-01-21

In the United States it is illegal to sell venison from hunted deer. Farm raised might be different however.

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rickick (author)sonataarctican2008-02-01

Most people dont do it for pleasure, we are not gonna kill a dear and take the head and leave the body just so we can stuff it! you should make use of all these things!

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sonata arctica is beast dude! I assume you listen to symphony X too, right?

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Hell yeah! I also listen to devin townshend, Dreamtheater, Opeth, and mindless self indulgence

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rickick (author)sonataarctican2007-07-09

If you do think about it you dont have to kill an animal , and you dont kill every animal you see.If you kill for fod you can also give some to family. some people use hunting to survive. But you can thik what you want to!

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rickick (author)rickick2007-07-09

by that i mean your aloud no to like it

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rickick (author)Bran2007-07-08

lol your my age. accept i have a minors possesion licence and a hunting licence so i can pretty much do what i want! Ovecourse i am always safe and respect the rules of using guns. By the way you should be carefull what you say cuz if you have no license your dad is required to be an arms length away from you for safety reasons.

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Bran (author)rickick2007-07-08

"I am always safe and respect the rules of using guns." Great, that is what I like to here. "By the way you should be carefull what you say cuz if you have no license your dad is required to be an arms length away from you for safety reasons." I don't know where you live, but here in Georgia, and I quote from the Georgia DNR's Webstie, "no one under age 16 may hunt unless under direct supervision, i.e. within sight or hearing of a licensed (at least 18 years old)." If I shout to him, he can hear me. When all the leaves are off the trees, heck, I can sometimes make out his orange vest. So, yeah, we are in line with the law.

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rickick (author)Bran2007-07-09

I'm in OTTAWA ONTARIO lol the capital of canada. I guess the rules are different in the USA

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chaoscampbell (author)rickick2008-01-21

ha ha...... ya dude..... I'd say just a little bit different. The gun laws are Worlds apart between Here in Canada and the US. I want to say I'm exagerating when I say this...but I'm not sure if i am... you can pretty much go hunting with a semi-automatic assult rifle over there...... or like ...... pull out your nine and bust a cap in them deer.

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ledzep567 (author)Bran2008-01-06

i won a .22 long rifle marlin model 60 a mossberg 12 guage pump and thats it lol i hunt deer,squirell,ducks,coyote,fox,rabbit,doves,canada geese and woodcock i also trap for squirells fox coyotes and rabbit. i live 200 yards from the northeast cape fear river and about a 30 minutes walk down railroad tracks into completely undeveloped woods with 3 abandoned quarry's that have filled with water i own a one person kayak(15 dollars at a "marriage" sale, horribly out dated) and a "ganoe" last year i killed 12 coyotes with my .22 has anyone noticed that in hollywood movies whenever some one touches a gun it makes these odd mechanical noises? that really bugs me

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rickick (author)ledzep5672008-02-01

How Did You Win The Gun?? And Yes I Have Noticed That In The Movies, i can handle it though!

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NachoMahma (author)Bran2007-07-08

> there is nothing like waking up at 4 in the morning, driving for an hour, and sitting in freezing cold weather freezing your butt off on a cold, steel tree stand.
. Hmmmmm. That's exactly why I quit hunting. ROFL
. Beer cans are in season when it's warm. And spotlighting won't get you in as much trouble.
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> I just don't understand people who are against guns
. I am a big defender of the right to keep-and-bear, but realize things have to be a little different when you have a high population density, ie, most big cities have a pretty good reason for limiting (not banning) guns. Here in rural Redneckland, it wouldn't bother me if everyone wore a sidearm on their hip - probably not such a good idea in NYC, LA, etc.
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> and even more so, hunting.
. I don't know about you, but when the next global disaster hits, I'll be getting real friendly with my acquaintances who still hunt.
. I have no problem with a hunter killing for food, but some of the Yankees that invade here during deer season are not what I'd call hunters. Yeah, we got Rednecks that are just as bad, but it's more fun to blame it all on the Yankees.
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> But they mess it all up for the rest of us responsible gun owners.
. It's the same way with fireworks, Pit Bulls, etc, etc, ad nauseum - a few boneheads screw it up for those that do things responsibly.
. I have an AR-15 (great plinker and the ammo is cheap, just make sure you have good earplugs), but you don't see me shooting up the town. If you're an aluminum can, I might go Rambo on ya. :)
. I have a Pit-mix that would rather lick you than bite you. Same with my friends that have full-blooded Pits.
. I'm more afraid of drunk drivers than fools with guns or Pit Bulls.
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. OK. Enough of that ... for now.

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