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how can i get away with stab proof armor in Australia Answered

long story short, in melbourne australia i have organised a group called citizen patrol group we basically patrol trains, buses, streets etc and help people in need and remove the trouble makers we do this in super hero costumes (not as silly as it sounds we are creating a character worth looking up to and bringing innocence back to children through good old fashioned super heroes) my problem is we are aware it can be dangerous but commercially made ballistic vests are illegal in my country i want the best protection for my team mates and am looking for GOOD QUALITY methods of creating one or if there is a legal loop hole that will allow us our right to protect our bodies.

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Toga_Dan (author)2016-11-27

mythbusters collection 10 episode "paper armor"

Results: good protection against slashing, stabbing, field tip arrows, and a flintlock pistol. It failed with a 19th c revolver, but so did the steel armor.

Steel armor 2x the weight of paper.

Approx 30 thicknesses of paper. (folded)

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Toga_Dan (author)2016-11-24

http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Medieval/Articles/Perfect_Armor_Improved.htm. I suspect that back in the day, armor may have been rawhide. Why bother tanning it

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Downunder35m (author)2014-08-29

It does not really matter what material you use, here in AU body armour is as illegal as a silencer on your 9mm pistol.

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Ozboy (author)Downunder35m2016-11-24

wrong. not illegal at all, you just need a permit.

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Downunder35m (author)Ozboy2016-11-24

Good luck finding reasons to get one ;)

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Ozboy (author)Downunder35m2016-11-24

I could point out that you need brains not luck....or maybe I'll just leave it to you to try to work it out. additionally stab/slash resistant clothing/armour you dont generally need a liscence, as opposed to ballistic vests.

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bjork (author)2015-04-06

check out plasticlamellar.com - they make plastic plates that are laced together to make a flexible type of armour for medieval reenactment purposes.

The plates are 2mm polycarbonate, and are effectively stab-proof.

They aren't bullet proof at all.

There are other companies that make the same plates out of steel. The result is heavier than the plastic plates.

Lamellar was a very popular form of armour right up until the end of the 19th century.

The other way to go is chainmail - and other posters have mentioned this. I'd stay away for sluminium or plastic chain for anything but the bare minimum protection. Go for fully welded steel rings.

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Qcks (author)2014-08-28

With regards to ballistic armor, actually the law makes some sense, though I'm from the states and can't say exactly what Australia considers reasonable.

In the US, you need permits to buy ballistic armor, legally any way.

It's because authorities are trying to mitigate escalation of deadly force. If people are immune to bullets, they'll have to go to increasingly more powerful applications of deadly force to maintain things.

That said, stab proof armor doesn't make a bit of sense since police aren't too likely to bust out a knife.

The easiest stab proof stuff would be aluminum chain mail. it doesn't mix with bullets so well (the rings can be smashed into your body, effectively becoming fleshettes.), but it will stop most knives. Axes and swords are iffy.
There are patterns for chain mail kicking around. If you go this route, I advise you to invest in a spot welder, as it's the best way to close rings.

If you make it especially decorative, you could claim it as jewelry, though it seem like at some point the cosmetic effects and the protective effects might start to interfere.

As far as newer stab proof armor... they're using nano crystals of polyethylene glycol on top of a synthetic fiber weave... you probably don't have the stuff to process the polyethylene correctly, but if you're curious about trying, they might sell a laxative that's almost entirely polyethylene glycol. Here in the states it's called Miralax. You can also buy it for fog machines, though that's a little bit more questionable, since it's likely to be a mixture of differently size polymer molecules, and the laxative for human consumption actually has to conform to a tighter standard. They also put the stuff in E-cig juice, but that comes with it's own set of problems.

Non-newtonian fluids (I believe there's a specific word for this but it escapes at the moment...) are a major area of research on the subject. If i were so inclined to be doing something with this, I'd look into non-crystalline plastics, since those are technically not in a solid state. Anywho... just some late night random thoughts.

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jgdabble (author)2014-08-24

So you and your friends are going to be super heros, vigilanties. This would be an extremely dangerous thing to do, I would just leave the police to their job, and not take it into your own hands. Trust me, leave the hero stuff to the people who are trained to do it.

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RedBacks101 (author)2014-02-15

Hey are you guys actually heroes?

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RedBacks101 (author)RedBacks1012014-02-15

I was wondering if it would be possible for me to help out?

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RedBacks101 (author)RedBacks1012014-02-15

Please can you email me at R.C.redbacks@gmail.com I would really apreciate it. Thanks.

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lemonie (author)2011-05-16

we do this in super hero costumes

Would you post us a picture?

L

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Kiteman (author)2011-05-15

Does the law state ballistic vests?

Because ballistic vests aren't stab-proof, they're bullet proof, and vice versa.

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Winter Wolf (author)Kiteman2011-05-15

ballistic or stab proof i was using it to broaden what is illegal, unfortunatley neither are aloud but apparently the material used is not sooo.....

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Kiteman (author)Winter Wolf2011-05-15

That is a bizarre law - you're not allowed to protect yourself?

Anyhoo, you're after "proofed" clothing...

How about using ordinary (legal) glass-fibre technology (the stuff they make canoes out of) to make cool-looking breast plates? Here's the cool part - add layers of woven kevlar fabric into the matrix.

Make actual armour plating from this, backed with padded leather like a medieval knight.  You could use layers of knitted kevlar to protect the vulnerable flexible joints.

Your whole team could be styled somewhere between Iron man and the Knights of the Round Table.


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Winter Wolf (author)Kiteman2011-05-15

yeah its pretty stupid that you cant wear protective vests, thank you for your info we still need to be able to move around and run and jump though but have been thinking kevlar plates if i can get em ere rather than cloth but my knowlege is so limited its going to be hard thats why i was after a loop hole like maby stab proof is legal or like you saidproofed clothing

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Kiteman (author)Winter Wolf2011-05-16

I have no idea about the legal position - you can buy stab- and bullet-proof vests on ebay over here.

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Biggsy (author)Winter Wolf2011-05-16

Glass blowers use kevlar gloves, and bakers wear long kevlar gloves that go all the way up the arms, this may give you some protection atleast on your arms....

The problem with kevlar plates is the same as the historical problem of chain maille there are some pretty obvious chinks and vulnerable spaces between the plates

boiled leather and layered cloth will go some way to protect against injuries, but are heavy, bulky and not 100% going to work against stabbings...

Is there no laws preventing vigilante groups? Because generally they dont like people taking the law into their own hands as they become some sort of public liabillity... Personally for my own safety and the safety of the other people i was getting involved i wouldn't leave protective clothing to people on a how to website...

Sorry, there's nothing more i can suggest, and I wouldn't want to in-case abit of home made armour gave someone a false sense of security and ended up injuring themselves or those around them

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Burf (author)2011-05-16

I would presume that butcher's chain mail is legal. Gloves, sleeves and torso armor is readily available in most places, perhaps even Australia.

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KentsOkay (author)2011-05-16

Congrats on taking public defense into your own hands. Is it legal? Kiteman suggested kevlar gloves, but on another board I frequent (with a decidedly more martial focus then this one), a trusted member (basically Kiteman level) found them to be insufficient for stab attacks, but excellent for slash. Do you know how to effectively disarm someone with a knife? Most techniques use the wrist and forearm. Cheap plastic cutting boars can be bought (the thin ones), make vambraces out of these and cover in leather or sheet metal to keep the look. Make the outside surface smooth, you want the blade to slide off and not catch. Have kevlar gloves and sleeve, maybe get a pair of gloves with the knuckle protection and extend your plastic cutting board / mat. This is the thread we discussed this:
http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?
f=34&t=78599&hilit=plastic+cutting+board


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caitlinsdad (author)2011-05-15