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how to make permanent magnet motor ? is it true it is free energy device? Answered

i heared that permanent magnet motor works on magnet repulsion and it is free energy device that works for life time....... is it true???

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HbkH2 (author)2018-02-10

Interesting thread and most entertaining.

What sir lakawak is trying to explain is correct What is found in a magnet while one might foolishly consider it to be energy is nothing more than a force. A magnetic field can either draw something closer to this field or repell something from the field... It is not energy but a force - be this a positive force drawing a negative object closer or vice versa ( consider this a positive reaction of opposite materials attracting ) or the complete opposite force causing two object to move away from each other ( consider this a negative reaction ).

None of this is energy... It is a positive or negative action caused by force not energy.

As for perpetual motion, yes Tesla provided the intricate device labelled as perpetual motion however it produces zero energy.

Take a model car with a magnet in one end, move a second magnet toward that end of the model the car moves forward or reverse depending on magnet polarity. It isn't energy causing the model to move but the attracting or opposing force that makes it move.

There are two types of magnets - permanent and forced.

When a drill bit drills into metal materials, friction causes the bit to slightly magnetise. Forced magnets are similar. A process is used to turn them into magnets.

Permanent magnets are better and may stay magnetised longer: however; either type will eventually weaken or completely drain out becoming useless as magnets without intervention reguvinating their magnetism.

Electric devices utilize electromagnetism becoming magnetized from an electric source... While the electric is on.

You may make a magnetic motor that will do many amazing things but it will never do these many amazing things indefinitely without intervention at some point reguvinating the magnets.

Now if you can develop a magnetic motor that starts with a flick of your finger, stays in motion, is connected to a generator that somehow causes those initial magnets to become electromagnets you may have your perpetual motor and even then the heat factor will somehow wreak havoc on the whole project ( windings eventually burn out breaking connection otherwise you'd never need buy a new alternator for your vehicle - or starter etc ).

Therefore, you can build your motor but it can never be labelled perpetual which means never ending. You're motor's actions will eventually and inevitably cease to operate.

They will be great to have and utilize during their life cycle but eventually even they will need repair at some point down the road.

This is the reason no perpetual magnetic motor will or can ever be developed. All rotating parts eventually wear out.

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dlapain (author)2011-05-23

There has only been one person in the world who as actually made a perpetual motion machine and he was just some old hobbyist who love playing with magnets he didn't attach any energy harnessing attributes to it but he got it to work (I forget his name but he appeared on a documentary before) his machine consisted of a ball that moved around in a perfect circle of precisely placed magnets under and over a track, which the ball moved a bunch of pendulums beneath it, the machine I believe is in vaulted up in a museum somewhere. and the guy is under some kind of witness protection program at the moment, because of the many people that would want to kill him to keep big company money making energy sources around because of all the jobs that would be lost. Which brings up another point anyone who creates such a machine successfully is gonna be in immediate danger if they introduce it to the public. So it's better to keep a low profile. Anyways back to the machine he made if he put magnets on the bottom of the pendulums and copper coils beneath them would it collect any energy whatsoever.

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ksupergiggles (author)dlapain2011-06-13

Nikola Tesla.... haha. And youre the first person Ive read bout who also knows... O.o

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dlapain (author)ksupergiggles2011-06-13

Nikola Tesla ? hmmm... I would not be surprised but thanks for the post I have been studying magnetic energys for some time did you know you can transfer energys between magnets! I drained one magnet making the other stronger in one of my experiments now I wanna figure out how to make it do so in a circle so no rotating parts is required and have copper coils absorb the energy into electricity and send power back to the electromagnets that send the power to the other magnets. I don't follow physics books by the way I just do! because physics books were written by human hands so can't always be true (but do have good points don't get me wrong). the only problem I have with what I'm doing is I can't see what is actually happening

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BC5451 (author)dlapain2012-04-02

You mentioned that you transferred the magnetic energy from one magnet to another magnet? I am very interested to know how, is it hard to duplicate your experiment?

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dlapain (author)BC54512012-04-03

The experiment is very precise, and I have found out to my surprise very dangerous proceed with Extreme caution! Overheat can happen and magnets and the metals can crack and become attached to each other like a bullet (meaning you'll lose body parts if not careful, though I never did I almost did)

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BC5451 (author)dlapain2012-04-07

Thanks for your reply and the warning of overheating. May you please describe of your experiment, how did you do it? and did you take any pictures or video on your experiment?

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dlapain (author)BC54512012-04-08

A circle of iron rods wrapped in copper which then the copper is looped back to electromagnets and then in between the loops you have magnets which then point to the copper, well im having trouble explaining this, but i dont give out documentation to anyone instead i give clues on how to do it, not trying to be a pest but if this got out it would change a lot of things, but anyway, its a circle that implements every form of magnetism put in a precise pattern to transfer the magnetic forces in order to produce electricity with no friction except in the copper on a microscopic scale

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utaschubbert (author)dlapain2017-01-27

I am working on one.

I will try using.

Paramagnetic aluminum togetrer with magnets

Kinetik

And weight repulsion force

Did you find something intereating?

Is someone selling a functual generator.

I guess yes in China New Zealand and Australia

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lakawak (author)BC54512015-02-14

There is no such thing as "magnetic energy" Therefore any experiments associated with it is a waste of time. Magnetic fields don't have energy. Period. They never will. No matter how much you have science and reality, that fact will never change.

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BrianB255 (author)lakawak2016-05-02

This is type dumbest statement I've ever read. The whole earth is a magnet. Energy can be pulled straight from the ground anywhere at low levels. For you to actually say making energy with magnetism is impossible shows you know nothing about the world you live in. Stop spreading false statements witch causes people not to experiment and find new and old technologies taut have been hidden for 100s of years at least.

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ksupergiggles (author)dlapain2011-06-13

WOW!! Thats incredible! I did not know that about the transference of magnetic energy! And I think its wonderful what youre trying to do. You should send me a personal message and we shall keep eaaach other updated on our endeavours : ) I'm just attempting different variations of the classic magnetic motor for my first time >.<

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dlapain (author)ksupergiggles2012-04-03

Thanks for the comment I'm usually very busy, I took this long to write back so you see my point.

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Not going to justify your comment, just going to show you! After this video I am done with all of you and this thread!

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JV6 (author)pddonovan20112016-07-30

I got impressed by the same video dude!!!

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Bodragon (author)pddonovan20112016-05-03

This has since been proven to be totally fraudulent. Source: revolution-green.com

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Hey pddonovan2011, thanks for sharing this video, I'm very interested in magnetic energy myself :) I was hoping maybe you could email me and tell me more of what you know about creating magnetic engines/motors?

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lakawak (author)ksupergiggles2015-02-14

Not only did Tesla not do this...he never even CLAIMED to do it. His experiments were about TRANSMITTING electricity wirelessly. Not about harnessing electricity from some unknown source. That is why he conducted his experiments right next to the area's BIGGEST POWER PLANT at the time..the Niagara Falls hydroelectric plant. Why? Because he knew his experiments needed A LOT of electricity to be put into the system because wireless transmission of electricity is very inefficient.

If he was about creating energy from nothing, he would have conducted his experiments as far away from any conventional power plant as he could, if for no other reason but to shut the skeptics up. But he didn't do that because he never even claimed that is what he was doing. Unfortuantely, the internet has made an entire generation of people stupid. People who just repeat the same BS that they read on random websites to the point where more people repeat it from your post. Because none of you can do actual thinking anymore.

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BrianB255 (author)lakawak2016-05-02

wow you better research tesla a little more. He had 3 inventions and was shut down bye the big energy people at the time. Only one of these. Creations was about transmitting energy through the air. Type other 2 created it and one was with air going through certain pattern and other was magnetism and copper

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lakawak (author)dlapain2015-02-14

There has never even any person who has done it since magnets won't work and never will.

No...no idiots playing around in his garage has come up with something that the world's top scientists have been trying for centuries

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EltonB5 (author)2017-01-13

hi davel1

yes it is true no human can create or destroy energy and as far as we know nothing lasts forever including magnets.

but as far as free energy is concerned i am afraid i don`t agree with you on that.

i believe we have been blessed with a lot of free energy and power.

we are practically submerged in free energy, our planet ,galaxy ,universe and so on

free energy is all around us

all we need to do is to build a device able to collect it

(that device can not be called a perpetual machine)

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DaveI1 (author)2017-01-05

It is a fact that energy cannot be created or destroyed...this means there is no such

as free energy forever because magnet's power will be declined in time.

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and7barton (author)2009-05-27

I think, for the price or a dozen or two high-power bar magnets and some work, you could set up a very low-friction rotating disc and do some experiments of your own, but what would you propose for suitable shielding to direct the field ?

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and7barton (author)oakeerigged2016-10-31

It's basically a waste of money to even try. There IS no shielding, period.

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and7barton (author)2009-05-27

Unfortunately the jury is out on this one. The likes of Sterling Allen keep up an optimistic flow of info about "progress", but to date little has been shown that provides acceptible proof that the concept has any real promise. The concept seems simple, to have a wheel consisting of angled magnets, free to revolve inside a ring of oppositely-angled magnets, their fields shielded so as to only project tangentally to the circumference of the rotating part. The problem, as I see it, is that so far, there isn't a truly effective shield material, the result being that some of the magnetic field actually leaks through and opposes the direction of rotation of the rotor. That's as far as my limited knowledge goes on this concept. But I have considered doing some of my own experiments.

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lemonie (author)and7barton2009-05-27

Who comprises this Jury that hasn't made a decision yet? L

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and7barton (author)lemonie2009-05-27

The jury is science - Peer review - repeatable experimental results - nothing has happened. The whole concept is still "Borderline Science".

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kelseymh (author)and7barton2009-05-27

Please provide citations for your so-called "peer reviewed" articles on this concept. What journals did they appear in? When? Have those articles been cited anywhere else?

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and7barton (author)kelseymh2016-10-31

I never said there WERE peer-reviewed articles. So far as I know, there AREN'T any, which explains a lot about the entire concept of magnetic motors and extracting energy from magnets.I said that Science relies upon peer review. It also relies on repeatability.

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and7barton (author)kelseymh2009-05-27

I don't know of any authentic repeated experiments - not by any reputable scientists anyway - experiments repeated by other amateur experimenters and inventors don't count. Maybe I'm in error here - but I don't know of any.

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kelseymh (author)and7barton2009-05-27

Okay, thanks very much for the clarification. The "problem" (which I don't mean disparagingly) with amateurs is that they don't generally document or measure operational parameters with sufficient detail or precision to be useful. Even when they are not hoaxsters (and as you know, this field is rife with them!), amateurs tend to overlook sources of systematic error -- e.g., using a vibrating bearing that can transfer momentum and keep a wheel turning -- or to explain away "failures" of their setup which actually point to fundamental obstacles.

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lemonie (author)and7barton2009-05-27

There are scientists who still haven't decided whether this type of free energy really is/isn't? I should think most science - peer review would say "prove it", rather than "maybe"?
Can you link to something scientific that's undecided, I'm interested?
Although this might just be down to the specifics of what we regard science and scientific appraisal to be...

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and7barton (author)lemonie2009-05-27

If you Google it, there should be plenty to get your teeth into if you want information of the concept of it. I liken it to a turbine, where, instead of say, gas impinging upon the blades of the turbine wheel, you have two opposing (like) magnetic fields impinging upon each other. I wouldn't worry about the semantics of what's scientific and what isn't - I'd worry more about whether this thing could work. The intriguing thing about it is that it's not necessarily "Perpetual Motion"...... We could consider the magnetic field to be an energy input, although exactly what a permanent magnet's field actually is, could be discussed and argued about lengthily. That strange character Ed Leedskalnin seemed to have discovered many years ago, something of a similar nature, and possibly anti-gravity too.

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lakawak (author)and7barton2015-02-14

So...you don't care about science, and therefore you think it is wrong? Also...Ed Leedskalnin did nothing but use simple levers

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lemonie (author)and7barton2009-05-27

I meant some real scientific judgment, rather than what you can trawl off the internet. As people go in general, free energy is as credible as space-aliens, ectoplasm, bigfoot etc. I thought you were referring to something more authoritative, but that's why I said it might just be down to the specifics of what we regard science and scientific appraisal to be L

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lakawak (author)lemonie2015-02-14

There is not one single REAL scientist who is still uncertain on this. None have EVER been uncertain by this. They know it is impossible.

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steveastrouk (author)and7barton2009-05-27

Where does the energy you extract, or the energy lost to friction come from ? Steve

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and7barton (author)steveastrouk2009-05-27

I imagine you are extracting it from the magnetic field. It would eventually deplete the magnet. I'm not even sure you can extract energy from the device in any practical amount. It may even be found to be a cousin of the Crookes Radiometer - Spins around fast but it's useless for any practical purpose. I wouldn't consider it to be "Perpetual Motion", because if it's extracting energy from the magnetic field of the magnets, and depleting it, then it's not perpetual.

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lakawak (author)and7barton2015-02-14

Magnetic fields don't have energy. So you can't extract any out of it. So right there, your belief in incredibly stupid. It shows you know absolutely NOTHING about science, so why are you commenting on it?

Let me ask you this...if magnetic fields are energy, then give the formula you can use to figure out how much energy is in a magnet. If it has energy, then there has to be some formula to determine it. So...you have the whole internet at your disposal...give me that formula.

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jeff-o (author)and7barton2009-05-27

Heh, I thought of this in grade 8 and abandoned the idea because you can't shield the magnetic fields.

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kelseymh (author)jeff-o2009-05-27

There are magnetic shields. We use mu-metal to isolate photomultipier tubes from static magnetic fields in detectors, for example. However, magnetic shielding generally works only against static, and relatively low-strength, fields.

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lakawak (author)kelseymh2015-02-14

Sure...you can shield magnetic fields. You just can't shield only one half (either the attaraction or the repulsion force) of it. So you either have a full blown magnetic that won't work, or you have no magnetic at all..which won't work.

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jeff-o (author)kelseymh2009-05-27

Neat!! But as you said, the shielding only works for low strength fields. It also looks like you'd need a pretty thick layer, making a PM motor very bulky!

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When kelseymh says 'static' fields, he means ones that are not moving. Which seems to defeat the purpose in this case.

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and7barton (author)jeff-o2009-05-27

Yes ! - A shield that's thicker than the distance the field extends anyway ! The actual design requires that the magnets be pretty close together, leaving only narrow gaps to insert blocking pieces. But has anyone any suggestions as to what material these shields might be made of ? Some kind of non-permeable material - maybe simple plain steel, would block SOME. But would it ne necessary to block ALL of the field ? - Also, would the field "leak" around the ends of the shields to any extent ? Both of these possible problems might result in the machine failing to work.

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and7barton (author)jeff-o2009-05-27

I don't know of anything that will shield a magnetic field. You can obviously short-circuit a magnet, but then you'd have no magnetic field (or to be more precise, a much reduced field).

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jayman242 (author)and7barton2012-04-16

" Free energy magnet motor part 3 " on you tube that gives the suggestion that angle iron might be able to quote on quote 'focus' the magnetisom more than steel. if this were proven the better 'magnet controller' then you could be able to follow the therory of having a 2 : 1 magnetic wheel (that simply is this guys plan for "free" energy). Please if anyone has done this test than can you please report back!
here is the video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4oIRd13LFw&feature=relmfu

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-max- (author)and7barton2010-04-24

i figured out if you put a BIG piece of steel on a magnet  it will lose most of the magnetic-ness out o maybe disperse it

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jeff-o (author)and7barton2009-05-27

Exactly. You can't focus a magnetic field into a "beam" like you can with light.

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