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i want your opinion on camping Answered

where we're going is this place with paved roads bathrooms, showers, spots especially for tents, with the sites Right next to each other and i think its a load of crap and not real camping, what do you think? kiteman? what do you think too?

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chokapi (author)2014-05-27

Backpacking, I mean good old America-style backpacking, where you load a pack and go off traipsing into wilderness, is my gig.

Car camping is fine, for them. At least it gets people out to enjoy something that needs desperately to be protected -- ironically while destroying it.

Me? I tiptoe in and tiptoe out. Take nothing but memories, leave noting but footprints.

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King of Derby (author)2014-03-05

Most of my camping is as part of re-enactment events, so a canvas soldiers tent, campfire with booze, modern sleeping bag/mat hidden in the tent, portaloo/brickloo/woods for emptying self.

When camping on my own however...walk till I can walk no more, find a hedgerow to sleep in (tree as cover...or perhaps a tarp or hammock if I've bought them), a little meth burner for coffee.

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bennyb1 (author)2014-02-24

Camping's what I can carry on my back, really. In winter, I do like a tarp and extra blanket for ground insulation. Good mess-kit, a couple tin cans for a stove(if you don't want a fire, and extra socks and drawers. If you're not shooting or catching chow, take some instant, powdered meals, and plenty of water. I usually carry at least a couple quart, and a 2 qt canteens. Just got store bought water purifier, but used to carry a pill bottle of bleach to purify water. A LITTLE bit goes a long way. Matches or lighter are good, but they can fail, so I also carry a magnesium/flint starter. Never fails, but practice a time or two first. A tent's fine, but 10x12 plastic tarp folds tight, and makes a great shelter of whatever configuration. Read 'Nessmuk', and pay attention. Maybe us old men just like it real, but when you can watch tv, a/c, and refrigerator, just seems like that ain't camping.

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Joe Martin (author)2008-08-07

Hehe, I <3 Camping and I <3 Our van. On to the subject of campsites the whole thing of showers, hook-up all make camping a lot more easy in todays modern world. I'm all in for progress but for the people that are not you still can go to campsites that are just a forest or a big green field and thats nice once in a while! Joe

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thematthatter (author)2008-06-07

i have camped like that, thats improved camping. Its less stressful on the environment than someone driving a vehicle off into the woods and matting down vegetation with a tent. i have also done the unimproved camping where you hike several miles off into the woods and set up camp. they both have their advantages. i like the unimproved camping better but lots of areas prohibit burning.

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gmoon (author)thematthatter2008-06-07

To be sure; on the majority of public lands in the in the US, campfires are prohibited... except in the drive-in campgrounds. And even there, it's buy firewood, or bring it from home (no chopping, cutting or gathering wood.)

As recently as 6 or 7 years ago, you could have a fire in the Adirondacks. Those days, sadly, are over. All over the northeast, all the firepits have been removed.

And fires on public land were eliminated in the American west 15 or 20 years or ago... although they weren't prohibited in Algonquin Prov Park last year, so it's still possible, in Canada, at least.

For someone who's never experienced an open campfire while backpacking, car-camping is a decent substitute.

Although once you get used to the policy, backpacking without campfires is just fine. Bring a warm sleeping bag if the weather requires it, and cook your food with a white-gas, kero or mixed-gas stove. Actually, meal-prep is better with the stoves than an open fire, anyway.

...still, I recall the days when the goal of backpacking was to get to camp, start a fire, char meat and drink beer...it's not quite the same. Now you need a different goal--complete a long trail, take photos, climb a mountain, or something...

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lunatek (author)gmoon2008-08-06

While this thread is a few months old, I just came across it and felt the need to comment. While I can't speak for the entire West, I live in Utah and much of what you said regarding the West (Utah) is not entirely true. Personally, I never camp in a designated campground area. To each there own, but that's how I've always camped and that's how I like to camp. I like to get out away from other people, sleep in a tent and generally rough it. So, usually (not talking about hiking into designated Wilderness) we just drive up an old forest road somewhere and pull off where a good spot is that isn't close to any other campers. This isn't always miles away from anyone, but preferably it is. As far as open fires go in the National and State parks around here, campfires are fine to have as long as you take the normal fire building precautions. There are some areas that restrict open fires, but the majority of the places I have ever been out here don't unless there is a fire restriction due to a dry spell in weather. If the weather has been very dry and hot the forest service will make these restrictions accordingly. There have been some years where most places had fire restrictions all Summer long due to a low snowfall the Winter before and/or current weather conditions, but to say open fires while camping in the West have been eliminated is false. It mostly just depends on the weather conditions and whether or not they create a situation that the forest service considers too hazardous to have open fires. Luckily this year, there haven't been too many restrictions in Northern Utah. As far as whether camping in a designated campground is "camping", I just don't like it and never have. I like to get out in the mountains/woods more. To me, sitting in a trailer nicer than some peoples homes, with a picnic table, a porta-potty, and 10 PM curfew isn't camping. I don't mind getting a little dirty and pooping in the woods, but if that isn't what's comfortable for someone else then it just isn't for them. After all, the whole idea of it, whether you are camping in a campground, off an old dirt road or hiking in 10 miles with a backpack, is to have a good time. To each their own and have fun whatever suits you best.

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thematthatter (author)gmoon2008-06-07

i don't like public places, im used to boyscout camps. they let you gather dead wood off the ground to burn. and they have toilet/shower. but most of my camping experience has been on private land. the disadvantage is most places dont have running water or toilet facilities, just find someone who has a deer lease and pick up after yourself and your good. I dont like camp stoves, its not camping unless you have campfire smell in your cloths when you come back home. and singed eyebrows

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Kiteman (author)thematthatter2008-07-12

...campfire smell in your cloths...

LOL - you posted that, so I went to check, and the jacket I wear at camp still smells of smoke from Easter!

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Big Bwana (author)gmoon2008-07-11

Marshmallows over a coleman stove just don't taste the same <>

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gmoon (author)Big Bwana2008-07-12

Naw, it ain't the same...no doubt.

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Big Bwana (author)gmoon2008-07-11

ssshhh Burn willow, it's smokeless.... <> No you should follow all the rules because if you burn down the forest they tend to frown on you....

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cokebottle tuque (author)gmoon2008-07-11

Back woods camping is the way to do it, get far away from the trail find a clean stream, build a damn fire(you are far away from the trail aren't you?) char the meat, purify the water with vodka and enjoy. Pack out everything you pack in, and who can really complain. Besides there is something to be said for cooking over a camp fire in the woods.

...still, I recall the days when the goal of backpacking was to get to camp, start a fire, char meat and drink beer that's the way to do it

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we never hiked into the woods but used to go four wheeling, then we had to switch to cars cause of gas prices, now we're going into this crowded place and im a little pissed about that but thanks for saying the improved and unimproved camping, thant helped me out a little.

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Rishnai (author)2008-07-24

I think it's hooey. For the longest time, "camping" meant "sleep in your seat and hope the bears don't get you." Then we got a tent and the car camping became less frequent. But what you've got is like remedial camping, at a dude ranch, with training wheels.

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jessyratfink (author)2008-07-14

Most of the time I've camped sort of like that, but not as fancy. My family went camping a lot when I was little, always at LBL.

( Land Between the Lakes - if you ever come to western KY, you must go see it, it's beautiful! I grew up on the lakes, basically! - http://www.lbl.org/ )

They had running water set up, and maybe some picnic tables. But you had to choose a tent spot and set up. You could also camp in the forests if you wanted, but I don't know that they do it that way anymore.

I do love camping though. I admit I do feel a little dirty when doing it, but it's a good experience and I can get over not being completely clean. :P

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Doctor What (author)2008-06-06

I think it's about as close as I want to be to the wilderness. We take our camper, hook it up to electricity, and I still feel dirty.

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Goodhart (author)Doctor What2008-06-06

LOL not a boy scout eh ?

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Doctor What (author)Goodhart2008-06-07

I used to be, when I was young. I hated, no wait, loathed going to those stupid meetings and camps.

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Goodhart (author)Doctor What2008-06-08

WOW!. The meetings I could have done without. The camping for me was great (we lived out where we were semi-isolated from many my age within a few miles). But, it isn't for everyone, that's for sure.

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Doctor What (author)Goodhart2008-06-08
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Goodhart (author)Doctor What2008-07-12

Well, when I was younger....*sigh*

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Doctor What (author)Goodhart2008-07-13

You could still be a troop leader in boy scouts!

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Goodhart (author)Doctor What2008-07-14

My days of sleeping on the ground (or in cots outside in baker's tents) is past I am afraid.

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Yerboogieman (author)Doctor What2008-06-06

thanks, for your contribution...

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Doctor What (author)Yerboogieman2008-06-06

You asked, I answered. I can go into further detail if you wish.

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IlluminatedAntichrist (author)2008-07-13

I used to hate camping like that but then I started loving it after the third day in the camp. BTW- I once went to a "camping" area with a swimming pool (I really mean a swimming pool with clear chlorinated water, not just a lake.)

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Kiteman (author)2008-06-07

That's how my parents took me camping in Europe - we couldn't afford hotels, and didn't have space in the car to take the tent, so we compromised. It's certainly more relaxing to arrive after a whole day's drive and not have to put the tent up. We found the same sort of camaraderie amongst campers as with normal camping, even though we weren't sharing mallets and helping each other light stoves. Basically, don't knock it until you've tried it.

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Lithium Rain (author)Kiteman2008-07-11

How did you camp, if not in a tent? In the car?

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Kiteman (author)Lithium Rain2008-07-12

There are holiday companies that maintain permanent campsites, with the tents pitched all year.

Our first tent was my parents' old tent which they bought second-hand from a permanently-sited campsite.

We also, for a few years, owned an old VW Caravette.

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Derin (author)Kiteman2008-06-29

yea and to be happy NEVER THINK ABOUT BUYING A TICKET WHEN YOU ARE GOIND FULL DISTANCE ON TOLL ROADS since they charge the full distance when you dont have a toll ticket(in my country that is)

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Yerboogieman (author)Kiteman2008-06-07

i have and it was, eh but i didnt really like the crowdedness, thats why i dont want to go there now.

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Goodhart (author)Yerboogieman2008-06-08

it always felt to em like moving a bit of the city into the country, right? I understand what you mean. As soon as my Dad bought a camper, and ditched the tent, I started counting the days when I would be old enough not to have to go with them to the "river". But that is me, and thankfully, not everyone is exactly like me :-) (that'd be boring)

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Goodhart (author)2008-07-12

So you are thinking that camping consists of a tent all alone in the wilderness, where you dig your own latrine, hunt for berries, nuts, and fish for food, and cook all over an open fire? That is camping, but many call this "roughing it" or an extreme form of camping.

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gmoon (author)2008-06-06

It's often called "car camping" or "trunk camping..."

...not my idea of camping, but works for some...traditionally defined, a "camp" may even include a cabin...

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Yerboogieman (author)gmoon2008-06-06

i can understand a cabin, but its paved roads and almost no privacy 9:00 curfew, bull?

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gmoon (author)Yerboogieman2008-06-06

Different tastes, I'd say. Can't say I enjoy the campground thing for it's own sake.

Last time I car-camped we got stuck beside a guy who was "bonding" with his daughter. Over the course of the night, he drank a fifth of Jack, constantly doused the campfire with gasoline, giggling and uttering "Modern Technology!" each time, and wound up crawling-around drunk making animal noises....

Backpacking and all that other stuff, takes a certain commitment to discomfort--although that discomfort is often overstated by people who don't indulge.

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thematthatter (author)gmoon2008-06-07

oh wow, i thought you were going somewhere else with the "bonding"

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killerjackalope (author)gmoon2008-06-06

Our version of car camping involves a car park and a misbooked hotel room... Actually when we had the volvo we use to go on camping trips and just park up in the forest wherever felt good... There was the time a friend and I got bored in summer and decided to go somewhere as in somewhere completely general (Not a good idea, if you're going somewhere, have a destination) and we slept in the bed of her pickup truck, which was interesting...

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gmoon (author)killerjackalope2008-06-06

Yeah, done it. If it rains, and the truck has a cap on the bed, you stay dry but it's LOUD. Car campgrounds are fine, if you're traveling, or have other goals besides camping. And I have met some nice people, too. I've heard in some Euro countries (Norway? Germany?) you have a (limited) right to camp on private property, so long as you're respectful, not destructive and don't overstay... Can't say I know that's a fact, tho..

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killerjackalope (author)gmoon2008-06-06

Err really you can camp in loads of places, land with reservoirs is good since it's not private or public as such... If you ask a farmer if you can camp on his land and offer him a tenner he'll usually say ok...

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Lithium Rain (author)2008-07-11

I don't know...on the one hand, that's not hardcore camping, on the other hand, it's nice to have all those amenities...

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Big Bwana (author)Lithium Rain2008-07-11

so what is hardcore camping ?? does it involve ropes, and rock faces ??

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Lithium Rain (author)Big Bwana2008-07-11

It can. But some might consider just hiking five-six hours into an uninhabited area with no amenities or ready campsites and pitching your tent and roughing it hardcore.

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Big Bwana (author)2008-07-11

it might be better then some other areas, nothing is worse then a site that doesn't have power, because it doesn't seem to matter where you go, some one has to bring a generator, and it's never a quite generator but a elcheapo 5kW Coleman that will be screaming away all night and again at first light ...... (( Yep it's sad when you have to bring a digital satellite system with you when you go camping, and these are the people that have to watch TV until 3AM to... ))

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skunkbait jr (author)2008-07-08

I don't think that is real camping, but that is what I do with my grandparents . I live with my parents on 10 acres and I some times go camp at the bottom of are hill .

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Derin (author)2008-06-29

it is probably camping for cars
we plan living in an unmodified car this summer

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