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mags/clips Answered

I've been reading around and i am kind of annoyed how people call magazine " clips " ( also notice how most people calling it clips are either little kids or just plain old " noobs" ) Here is a picture to show you the difference and to correct future mistakes ( pic from evike forum )

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barrax (author)DJ Radio2009-03-17

thank god, theres someone cool around here!

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knexguy (author)barrax2009-03-17

So I'm not? I really don't care if I'm percieved as 'cool' (at least not on the internet), so meh.

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knexpert1 (author)knexguy2009-09-01

whooohooo yhe who ####### cares

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barrax (author)knexguy2009-03-17

lol. i never said you weren't cool, its just you care about something that really makes no difference, you care about what other random people from around the world call a certain piece of equipment. lol, that was the most nerdiest way to say that. Me - not cool.

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TheDunkis (author)barrax2009-03-18

It does make a difference because they are two different objects. Is it alright to mix up pen and pencil? It's like you don't know grammar. It's just as annoying as people who don't know the difference between there, their, and they're. And from what I've seen people who say it doesn't matter are those who don't know the difference in the first place.

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The Jamalam (author)TheDunkis2009-08-29

Lets face it, how many clips are there on the site anyway? It is annoying, but you have to excuse mistakes. Many k'nexers are 10 or under (Flie-ing-Goose was 8 I think) so they are a bit too... immature to want to look things up.

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TheDunkis (author)The Jamalam2009-08-29

Depending on how loosely you are willing to call something a clip. You're one to talk about maturity with the whole "Hey lets bash KI" message you spread. A 5 year old knows the different between a pen and a pencil, no? He can tell the difference between a clip and a magazine if you tell him the difference. It's not a hard concept to grasp. The most general way you could put it is that a clip loads the magazine. The magazine loads the gun. Sometimes you don't need a clip to load the magazine as the magazine has ammo in it already.

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DJ Radio (author)TheDunkis2009-08-29

I dont think anyone just cares except for the person who posted this topic, and you. I just say clips because its tighter and more catchy.

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The Jamalam (author)TheDunkis2009-08-29

That "Hey, let's bash KI" message is an in joke with me and Dj. As for the 5 year old thing, honestly if they don't know it now, then telling them won't make much difference for now.

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barrax (author)Dutchj2009-03-17
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Dutchj (author)barrax2009-03-17

Not excessively, I don't mind but I prefer to use the correct term myself.

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barrax (author)Dutchj2009-03-18

yeah. i see where your coming from.

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barrax (author)knexguy2009-03-16

oh, come on, the worlds gonna end if we dont get this right! really guys, it doesn't matter

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dsman195276 (author)2009-02-05

to avoid any more confusion(and have a reason to yell at people for calling the the wrong thing) i am going to go on and on about how mags are not clips: 1. what a magazine is: a magi zine is just defined as a ammo holder. a box of ammo could be a magazine. a magazine does not need to feed ammo. a magazine can be fixed or removable. most are fixed, and very few guns use a removable mag(were talking about real guns here). the big distinguisher between a removable mag and a clip is that mag fed guns can be breach loaded/muzzle loaded etc. with out the mag in the gun. 2. what a clip is: a clip has a more exact difinition, a clip holds and loads ammo, and has to be removable. the big reason it has to be removable is because that is the only way to load the gun(unlike how you could load a mag by breach loading or using a stripper clip, but we will get into that later). clips have a part of the gun on them(the breach) making the gun unfireable and useless with out the clip(real guns need the breach because it makes a complete seal for the air pressure that fires the gun). clips also fit into the mag on a gun(like i said, mags only need to hold ammo). the best way to understand this is with the m1 garand clip(second one down in clip section of pic). the m1 garand could not be breach loaded, or muzzle loaded. only loaded by the en-bloc-clip(i know i butchered that name). now some people say that you could load a round into the clip when it was in the gun, but it was still loading the clip, not the breach. 3. what a stripper clip is: (first one in clip section of picture). A STRIPPER CLIP IS NOT A CLIP. that is where most people get confused. a stripper clip loads rounds into the mag, and is not a real clip(i think the name comes from how the ammo clips onto the strip.) 4. why so many people get confused: most say it originated all the way back to when the M1 garand was used, and people mistook the en-bloc-clip for a mag(nobody called it by it's real name) and if you said hand me another clip, people take it as hand me another mag, and the same is true the other way around. 5. other things i noticed: in your picture on the mag section, the first two look like pistol clips,but i can't say for sure because i don't know what pistol it goes to(some can be loaded with out the mag, and some need the clip). there are no real clips for knex, and never will be. the main flaw is that knex can always be muzzle and breach loaded when there is no mag present. well there you go, now if any body calls a mag a clip again, just direct them here.

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jollex (author)dsman1952762009-02-05

My SCAST can't be muzzle loaded without a mag.

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DJ Radio (author)jollex2009-03-20

any gun with a fake barrel cant be muzzle loaded.

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yerjoking (author)DJ Radio2009-03-20

His SCAST has no fake barrel.

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DJ Radio (author)yerjoking2009-03-20

I thought it did. well either way, any gun with a fake barrel cant be muzzle loaded. with his gun too.

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yerjoking (author)DJ Radio2009-03-20

DD-27 had a section of barrel that was fake.

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DJ Radio (author)yerjoking2009-03-21

its wider than normal fake barrels though, and it shoots gray rods.

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yerjoking (author)DJ Radio2009-03-21

That statement contradicts your previous one. "well either way, any gun with a fake barrel cant be muzzle loaded. with his gun too"

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DJ Radio (author)yerjoking2009-03-21

I forgot the DD-27 had a fake barrel.

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TheDunkis (author)DJ Radio2009-03-21

By what it seems your def of fake barrel is very undefined. A fake barrel is simply a section of a gun that the bullet travels through without touching or in some cases it's a mock barrel for replicas and such. You could stick two connectors on the end of a tube gun and call that a fake barrel.

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DJ Radio (author)TheDunkis2009-03-21

i know a fake barrel is that.

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DJ Radio (author)dsman1952762009-03-16

well, someone can easily make a knex gun that is very hard with normal hands to be breech/muzzle loaded without a clip.

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TheDunkis (author)dsman1952762009-02-05

To put it simply and correct enough for knex guns magazines load the gun along with storing ammo and clips only hold the ammo. I know it's more specific but that's all we really need to say. Sometimes a magazine's capacity is called it's clip size which really doesn't bother me but yeah otherwise I hate when they two terms get mixed up.

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dsman195276 (author)TheDunkis2009-02-06

actually, to be correct it should be the other way around.

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TheDunkis (author)dsman1952762009-02-06

The defining difference between clips and magazines is the presence of a feed mechanism in a magazine

Pretty much what I said.

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dsman195276 (author)TheDunkis2009-02-06

a feeding mech is in both a mag and a clip, but it does not need to be in the mag.

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TheDunkis (author)dsman1952762009-02-06

Where is your source that states this? Site after site most will say the main difference is that clips don't feel themselves them simply hold the ammo and the magazine will feed the ammo.

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dsman195276 (author)TheDunkis2009-02-07

you must have read something wrong then, because i have seen that said on every site i have been to.

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TheDunkis (author)dsman1952762009-02-07

Lol then you're reading it wrong I'll provide three sources to back me up.

Simply put, a magazine is a container in which ammunition is stored, whilst a clip is a small piece of metal which holds rounds in place whilst outside the magazine, and sometimes within the magazine as well.
http://everything2.com/node/1323705

In small arms terms magazine usually refers to a box, drum or tube with a spring inside to help feed the rounds. Magazines can be a fixed part of the weapon, or detachable. Most detachable magazines can be removed and replaced with a full one to reload the weapon, but there are guns such as the Lee Enfield where the magazine is only removed for cleaning, and is refilled by a different mechanism. (more of this in a moment).

The ammo Clip was invented in 1885 by Mannlicher and provided a way to place a full load of rounds into a magazine in one action
http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/clip.html

Clip: A device for holding cartridges together, usually to facilitate loading. Widely used as a synonym for "magazine" (although most firearm authorities consider this substandard usage). Technically, a magazine has a feeding spring, a clip does not.
http://www.thegunzone.com/clips-mags.html

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Katarukito (author)dsman1952762009-02-05

It's not my picture so i wouldn't know either.

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Oompa-Loompa (author)2009-02-05

Does the difference even matter? I think this shouldn't even be an argument

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II wanted my own I Am Canadian inspirational comment.

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heat-seeker (author)2009-03-16

ah i did not seem to know

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Mepain (author)2009-02-06

Does it really matter? We built toy guns, not real guns. We don't need to be that specific.

It's like trying to use the definition for a real semi auto for a knex gun, it's just not possible, so we simplify the definition.

Not that K'nex clips aren't possible, but K'nex guns are toys. Toys.

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