Introduction: 3D Home Theater for Under a Grand
This is my first post on instructables and I'm excited to share with you, my adventures in building a pretty good quality stereoscopic projection system.
It all really started when I saw James Cameron's Avatar in 3D at the theater, but I originally had my first encounter with 3D when seeing an IMAX 3D film, "Space Station 3D" at a science center, I was amazed by the feeling of immersion and feeling almost as if I was actually there. Avatar was another one of those amazing immersive experiences, I made the mistake of seeing it at night and then going straight to bed after I got home from the theater. When I woke up the next day I felt like I had this crazy dream, while my mind was still fogged as it always is for about the first 10 minutes after I wake up, I thought it was a lucid dream, but then I remembered that it was a movie.
I couldn't stop thinking about this movie at least once a day for the next month, I even heard stories of some people having depression called "the avatar blues" because this movie tricked their subconscious into believing this was a fully real-life place, but they realized that it was not real and they could never go to Pandora. Luckily I didn't feel depression, but I really wanted to be able to have something like this at home, mainly because it's just so frickin' awesome!
So the google searches began and I settled on using 2 DLP projectors with circular polarization filters, I wanted to be able to use the industry standard realD glasses because the theaters let you keep them. A more broad term for my setup is passive-polarized stereoscopic projection. One of the biggest problems with this setup was to keep it cheap because I'm a nearly broke college student. Many people have been led to believe that 3D is "new-fangled" or "very expensive", it's not new, there are stereoscopic photos from the civil war! And we have had movies projected to large audiences using polarized systems since the 1950's! Finally I'm going to prove that it doesn't have to be expensive and the quality of the overall experience rivals that of any super-duper fancy 3D TV at best buy or the home theater store. or any single projector active glasses solution for that matter.
Here is the big reason that pretty much all current 3D TV totally suck: They run a frame rate that does not match the source content in most cases, movies run at 23.976 fps (James Cameron and a few others are pushing for 48 fps and I love them for it, Avatar 2&3 should be 48fps per eye) and your 3D tv runs at 120 hz, so what does this mean? What it means is that the TV really wants 30fps or 60fps content so it can alternate the left and right images sequentially, "LRLRLRLR....." and this gives you 60 fps PER EYE. Now, if you can see a CRT monitor flicker when set at 60HZ (I can) you know that it is awful! Your LCD runs at 60 HZ, so why no flicker you ask? Because it UPDATES the image every 1/60th of a second WITHOUT going dark in between frames. With an active 3D system each eye sees black half the time, what a rip-off! You pay thousands for a 3D tv and it will be black for half of the movie (I must acknowledge that film based projection in the theater has flicker and 1/3rd of your movie is just black, this flicker also bugs me and is why I'm not really into going to a non-digital theater). Alright, back to how we get 23.976hz converted to 60hz and for all intents and purposes lets call it 24hz, we use a dirty secret called 2:3 pullup and this essentially shows some frames for 2 of the 60 frames and for 3 of the 60 frames, 3D display is all about good timing and alignment, 2:3 pull up introduces a lot of judder in the motion and the problem is compounded in 3D different TVs handle it slightly different, but they all share a common problem: the timing of frames is mis-matched between your left and right eyes.
Now before you yell at me saying that most theaters use 1 projector and have alternating frames, listen here. Theaters with alternating systems such as RealD, RealD-XL, Masterimage3D or Dolby 3D don't have these issues because they run at 144Hz which is exactly 6 times 24. They use a triple flash system and what this means is that for one stereo pair (1 frame of left and 1 frame of right) it alternates the left and right eyes 3 times each (6 flashes total) and then moves the next frame, etc... Using this technique, perfectly equal timing is maintained for both eyes and for every frame. TV manufacturers need to figure this out and they are idiots for not implementing the ability to do 144 HZ or better! The least they could do is to kill 2:3 pullup, there are many artifacts of the analog TV and film days and this is one of those and I HATE IT! I will never buy a 3D TV until they figure this crap out.
IMAX uses dual projectors for their systems and I love them for it! A newer system is RealD XLS which takes advantage of the new 4k digital cinema projectors and uses a special over-under lens to essentially "emulate" dual projectors, just think about it, 4k imaging device and dual 2k pictures, lets do over-under! I can tell you that both of these systems rock!
Alright on to the project!
Step 1: 3D Home Theater for Under a Grand - Getting Started
To start off, here are the main things I had to buy:
-3 infocus LP-650 projectors DLP 1024x768, one was used for parts, you need 2 working projectors (must be DLP or other non-polarized projector) ebay.com about $500 total after getting el-cheapo chinese replacement lamps. brightness is key and matching the color and brightness between projectors is key, the polarizers will cut about half of your light, these projectors are rated at 2500 lumens and ended up being perfect for my 85" screen I bet I could go up to 120", but really need more resolution for that. If you don't count the fact that these are 4:3 and treat them like 16:9 projectors you are looking at a native resolution around 576p, it's not terrible and for the most part is the only weak link in the system. If you can, get a projector with LENS SHIFT, I cannot stress this enough, this will save you hours of headache in aligning your images, the LP-650 does not have this feature and it makes hours of extra work to align the images perfectly.
-set of circular polarization filters (NOT AVAILABLE ANY MORE) polarization.com $25
I suggest contacting this company, I have not used them, but their filters would work: http://www.apioptics.com/3d-projection-filters.html
-something to build a mounting rig or chassis out of, in my case, steel. also, materials for a screen (4 2x4's, sheet of masonite and paint). Lowes about $100
-stereoscopic player, free demo limited to 5 minutes of playback at a time 3dtv.at 39 EURO around $60 (I bought it, this is the bet program and when paired with AnyDVD HD it will play 3D blu-rays without having to rip or convert it first) this program plays everything I throw at it and can use directshow codecs to play virtually ANY format.
-FINALLY a computer with a mid to high power quad core CPU or the fastest dual core and 2 matching video outputs on the same graphics card, in my case 2 DVI ports, but VGA will work pretty good as well. My CPU is an AMD phenom II x4 3GHz and GPU is an nVidia 7950 GT. If you have to buy a computer you are going to have to pay over a grand for the project overall, but most of us already have decent computers, I hope.
First, you need a way to mount your projectors and it must be VERY SOLID, any misalignment and I mean ANY, like more than a half an inch at the screen will cause headaches after a very short amount of use.
I'm building my mount out of steel as I have access to a welder and other metal working tools. See photos.
Take into consideration that you need to be able to move at least one projector in any axis and that you need to hold a polarizer filter out in front of the lens. A word of caution, keep your polarizer as far in front of the lens as possible to maximize the surface area that is used, it WILL heat up and melt if you put it too close, trust me.
I cannot stress this enough, that you must maintain perfect image alignment, so take your time in building a good mount that you can easily adjust.
A note on projectors: There are many types of projectors out there, DLP, 3 chip DLP, LCD, 3LCD, SXRD, D-ILA, LCOS, CRT and what ever type you choose, make sure the light output is not polarized (DLP) or you will regret it. You may be able to fashion a depolarizer out of at least 3 layers of quarter-wave retarder film, also from polarization.com, but you many get some slight color shift.
A note on polarization: In my setup I initially used circular polarization like RealD, but switched to linear like IMAX (more on this later). The benefit of circular polarizers is that they are essentialy a linear filter and a quarter-wave retarder laminated together, which means you have a 2 in 1 filter. So you are ready for IMAX or RealD in the same system, all you need to do is flip the filters.
Next, construct your screen, you could also paint directly on a wall if this is going to be more permanent installation. I will detail painting in the next step. You can also buy a silver screen, but a good one is going to cost at least $500!
Step 2: 3D Home Theater for Under a Grand - the Screen
The screen is a very important part and must be constructed and painted with the utmost of care.
Basically you need a smooth surface to start with.
You need to paint it flat black and all painting must be sprayed on or you will get lines and odd textures, I have not experimented with white, but I may some day or maybe try different mixes of white and black or white and silver.
After the black is dry you need to paint it silver, it is very hard to get a good texture without drips or blotches, you cannot rush this! You will need to do many thin coats to get it to look right. I had to do around 7 coats to get my screen done and it turned out as good as any commercial screen.
To make this paint sprayable I needed to mix it with about 1/3 mineral spirits, I wouldn't want to try "rattle can" variety spray paint, the spray pattern is just not consistent enough, I bought a pneumatic sprayer just for this project.
It is important to have a clean air source, a clean sprayer, clean paint (filter into the sprayer to get rid of any chunks) and no wind.
One thing I would like to try is a curved or parabolic screen design to help widen the optimal viewing angles, silver screens by their very nature have a narrow viewing angle before you start to loose a lot of light.
While I was waiting for the paint to dry I went ahead and started throwing some 2d movies on it out in the shop just for fun.
Step 3: 3D Home Theater for Under a Grand - the Final Setup
Alright, now we need to bring it all together.
You need to connect your projectors to your computer and set them up as side-by-side multi monitors once you are getting an image on both projectors you need to align them, to do this use stereoplayer and an alignment pattern.
Install stereoscopic player and run it. To set it for dual-output, navigate to View>viewing method>Dual Screen Output.
Then select your displays in View>Full Screen Monitor (left view) and View>Full Screen Monitor (right view) for now it doesn't matter if your left and right is mixed up.
Now load up your left and right test patterns. FIle>Open Left and Right FIle... You can open still images in stereoplayer.
Go into full screen. press alt+enter on your keyboard, get your glasses and see if the left and right images are separated from each other and going to the appropriate eyes. If the views are swapped go out of full screen mode and change the setting View>Full Screen Monitor and then try again.
Next, without the glasses you need to make the alignment pattern match up on both projectors as close as possible, now if for some reason you cannot get the images to line up and you must make a sacrifice, do it on horizontal alignment, as some horizontal misalignment will not cause headaches, it will slightly mess up the depth of the image.
Alright once you have the hardware up and running try opening a good 3D still image one can be found here: http://mtbs3d.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/Crysis_%230083.jpg this image is reversed for cross-eyed viewing so the left is on the right and vice verse.
If you have a 3D blu-ray disc laying around you can watch it too. you need AnyDVD HD it is a driver that decrypts blu-rays on the fly and is pretty awesome. you will navigate to your BD drive letter and <drive>:\BDMV\STREAM\SSIF\<probably the largest xxxxx.ssif file>
sometimes the ssif files will be split up. You can open these with stereoplayer.
Question 3 years ago on Step 3
I have a 4 projector 3d theater i need to know projector seting and chairs setting
11 years ago on Step 3
Wow, that is a slick setup. So why can you only use DLP, I guess I'm not sure I understand what the significance of having non-polarized light output if you are using a polarizing filter on the projector. Obviously my familiarity with polarization is not exactly comprehensive, especially in this application, but what happens if you DO use lcd or 3lcd projectors with polarized light output. would using a silver screen designed for polarized projection remedy this issue? I have seen similar setups to yours done with lcd type projectors with the polarizing film and the whole nine yards. Is there something I am missing. Thanks for the info.
Reply 11 years ago on Introduction
The reason LCD is not preferred is because it's light output is already polarized. You may be thinking that this could be advantageous, but for the most part it is a hindrance. google StereoBright for more info, but in short: this method only works with LCD and it preserves more light output. the problem is that it ghosts pretty bad and is highly proprietary, 3dtv.at StereoPlayer is the only program i know of that can drive it.
An LCD projector normally has blue and red linearly polarized in one direction and green is the opposite (rotated 90 degrees). unless you rotate your polarizers exactly between the two, you will get either green or magenta color shift. It is possible to use a stack of 3 quarter wave retarder filters to kill most of the polarization, but these may still need a lot of tweaking to eliminate color shift. You will get the same problem with circular polarizers as well, simply because they are just a quarter wave and linear filter sandwiched together and the quarter wave side must face the screen (thats why circular filters are the only filters you'll ever need, they can work either with IMAX or RealD by flipping them).
The silver screen is a very simple device and will do nothing more than preserve and reflect whatever polarization you throw at. Here's a fun little story, I went to an IMAX theater to see avatar and was in my seat early during the typical theater informational and advertising slideshow that was being done from a small LCD pre-show projector, because this was an IMAX 3D theater the screen had to be silver, so I threw on my glasses and saw the pre-show in magenta for one eye and green in the other.
LCD's are not impossible to use, but DLP gives you maximum flexibility. If you are planning on building a 3D home theater and have not yet purchased projectors I would strongly recommend going with DLP and double the brightness of what you would normally buy for a 2D setup. also, make sure that your projectors are matched in every way possible, even down to the date of manufacture, color and especially brightness disparities will be very irritating to the eyes.
Hope this helps.
Reply 4 years ago
GOOD~DAY, I AM NEW TO THIS SITE, AND LOVE BUILDING, FABRICATING, ELECTRONIC'S ETC~!!, AND NOW PRE-RETIRED, I HAVE TIME ON MY HAND'S, I HAVE A DLP 3D PROJECTOR (NON-HD), AND REALLY LIKE 3-D MOVIE'S, NEVER BEEN TO A 3D MOVIE @ THE THEATER!! (ONE-DAY I WILL) I WANT TO BUILD A DOUBLE HD PROJECTOR SYSTEM, WILL THIS BUILD MAKE REGULAR TV, TO 3D?? I HAVE READ ALL OF THE ARTICLE, AND IT DOES NOT MENTION IF TI DOES, OR I MISSED IT, IF IT DOES NOT, WHAT IS THE REASON?? BECAUSE, EPSON MAKES A REALLY GOOD 2D TO 3D PROJECTOR, AND EPSON ALL-WAY'S HAS THE BEST COLOR, AND PICTURE, I SAW IT WORK @ A STORE, WAY BETTER THAN WHAT I HAVE!!, BENQ--MODEL 7000 MAKE'S (BY MULTIPLE-OPINION) THE BEST 3-D PROJECTOR, WITH NO CROSS-TALK ETC~!! IN-STEAD OF PUTTING MY MONEY INTO THE PROJECT, (WHICH I WOULD LOVE TO BUILD), I COULD SAVE A BIT, AND GET A NICE EPSON 2D TO 3D PROJECTOR. OR, BESIDE'S THE PERSONAL PLEASURE OF BUILDING A 2~PROJECTOR 3D UNIT, (PLEASE CONVINCE ME), WHAT IS THE TRUE ADVANTAGE!!, P.S--WILL IT PLAY REGULAR TV TO 3D??
Question 4 years ago on Introduction
WITH THESE HOME-MADE FULL 3-D PROJECTOR'S, THEY USE PASSIVE 3D GLASSES, WHICH IS NICER THAN ACTIVE GLASSES, ACTIVE CUT'S A-LOT OF THE LIGHT THROUGH THE LENSES, COULD YOU USE ACTIVE GLASSES ON THESE DOUBLE PROJECTOR PROJECTS, BY TAKING THE POLERIZER LENSES AWAY FROM THE PROJECTOR'S????
10 years ago on Introduction
Good job! did something similar in a CAVE environment with rear projection screens
if doing a 2lcd projector setup....get hold of some quarter wave plate retarders (circular polarisers) if the image at the projector lens is small enough you might be able to use a set of lenses from a pair of real d glasses. Better yet is to buy a right hand and left hand quarter wave plate on its own. These filters do not have the linear filters attached and should look like a single thickness of plastic/glass. sandwiched ones will be 2 or more glued together. internal reflection is going to kill your light level with these types of filters whereas the single quarter wave plates will be better for this. we used 2 single wave plates on 2 lcd projectors and there was no noticeable colour shift. the only difference was a loss in light level that actually wasnt bad and was to be expected.
Also, iZ3D and a quad buffered graphics card are your friends if you want to try 3D gaming with this setup (Crysis in 3D on a 7 metre tall picture was epic! :-)
Reply 4 years ago
GOOD~DAY, I FINALLY CAN GET STARTED ON MAKING A 3-D HOME THEATER, WATCH 3-D, WITH ANY REGULAR TV CHANNEL, ALL 2-D TO 3-D, AWESOME, YOU SAID YOU MADE ONE WITH LCD-PROJECTOR'S, GREAT!!, DOES IT MATTER IF THEY ARE 1-LCD, OR 3-LCD (LIKE EPSON 3-LCD), I AM SELF TAUGHT @ ELECTRONIC'S (REPAIR'S ETC~!!) BUT, NOT GOOD @ USING COMPUTER'S (JUST FOR SHOPPING E-BAY FOR ELECTRONIC PART'S) WERE IS THE BEST PLACE TO GET THE FILTER'S??, AND, THE COMPUTER HOOK-UP TO THE PROJECTOR'S, IS TI THE SAME IDEA AS THE PROJECT DLP ONE MENTIONED, AND BUILT, IN THIS ARTICLE?? IF TI IS NOT TOO-MUCH TROUBLE, COULD YOU GIVE ME A LIST OF WHAT I WOULD NEED ETC~!!, firstname.lastname@example.org THANK~YOU!!
7 years ago
The Circular Polarization filter link does not lead to any product. Can you please re-link to some seller's link. I tried to search on text but not sure if they are really them.
Reply 4 years ago
This place has filters. You need to scroll down a bit to get to circular.
Reply 6 years ago
Sorry for the late reply.
You should e-mail these guys: http://www.apioptics.com/3d-projection-filters.htm...
It is probably your best best at getting a decent quality set of filters, I wouldn't recommend anything other than glass now, the film and acrylic filters are too easy to scratch. My setup as depicted in this instructable is still working to this day, but leaves more to be desired. My really cheap filters make the image look ever-so-slightly hazy. If you get a set of glass filters, use kimwipes and isopropyl alcohol to clean them, but only when a simple blast of compressed air doesn't do the trick. (don't use isopropyl on acrylic, distilled water and soap only).
It's interesting to see that it has gotten harder to find the filters, but not surprising since the hype of 3D was killed off by sloppy conversions and garbage TVs with stupid gimmicks like smooth motion/motion flow, etc.
Maybe avatar 2 will give Hollywood another chance to get it right.
good luck with your setup!
6 years ago
Hi there, cool instructable and I agree with your comments re: high frame rate 2D/3D being much better.
Have you heard of Dolby 3D? I bought some glasses for not too expensive and many people are using Dolby 3D glasses for dual projector 3D setups:
Dolby 3D uses a different set of RGB primaries for each eye and doesn't depend on polarization so you don't need a silver screen. Plus, the extinction ratio is much better than polarizing filters, it's like 1000x better to use a notch filter around each primary than a polarizing filter, so that means much less crosstalk plus Dolby 3D will work properly on any screen material not just silver which makes it even better (better gain, no hotspotting from specular reflections in the metal paint).
You can pick up Dolby 3D glasses on ebay, they are more expensive than polarized but the result is better and the money / time you save on paint makes it roughly equal. But the other positives of Dolby 6P just destroy polarized 3D. You need to take apart one pair of 3D glasses and use those filters at each projector, then just wear the other shades normally.
There is also another thing you should consider, instead of having two projectors stacked on top of each other you could have one rotated 90 degrees and use a dichroic mirror to achieve better pixel alignment. The reason why it's better is because to stack them vertically you have to use vertical lens shift on each projector and that will reduce sharpness a bit. But of course vertically stacked is more convenient and probably looks better too. Anyway, lots of dual projector setups have one projector at 90 degrees from the other one because then you can adjust them against one another very, very precisely using lasers and without using lens shift.
8 years ago on Introduction
So does this mean I will be able to watch my Side by side or Over Under movies in 3d?
Reply 8 years ago on Introduction
For sure! Many of my own movies are in those formats, stereoscopic player from http://3dtv.at/ is the bomb for something like this.
It's hard to find the right mix of hardware and software to make 3D displays work if you only slightly venture away from set-in-stone systems like the older DLP 3D, nvidia or current HDMI frame-packing.
9 years ago on Introduction
You had a PLOG on lumenlabs about this didn't you?
9 years ago on Introduction
does the movie playing have to be 3D or will this setup convert regular movies into 3D? if it doesn't would the 3D adapter work with this setup
Reply 9 years ago on Introduction
It will not convert a 2D (monoscopic) movie to 3D (steroscopic), I have not seen any automated system that can accurately create something from nothing. At this point in time, 2D to 3D conversion takes 100's of talented visual effects artists, as with titanic and avengers, both of which I worked on, they were shot in 2D and the 3D conversion process for each movie took nearly a year and 10-30 million dollars. I never use software that claims to convert 2D to 3D automatically, it simply doesn't work. The only adapter that would be useful is one that can take an HDMI 1.4 3D signal and split it for 2 projectors. Optoma makes one called the 3D-XL, but you need 2 of them as well as an HDMI 1.4 splitter. It would be best to visit this site for a complete list of true 3D blu-ray movies: http://www.blu-ray.com/3d/
10 years ago on Introduction
is there a way to get a 3d apernance all around
Reply 10 years ago on Introduction
not sure exactly what you mean, but if you are talking wrap-around or ultra-wide. There are ways to stitch multiple projectors together to increase the image area, there are also special fish-eye and anamorphic lenses you can use.
Does this help?
Reply 10 years ago on Introduction
yes i ment aimage you can see on all sides that appers to be a hologram