hydrogen fuel cell?

I'm making a hydrogen motorbike that runs this kind of motor ===>http://www.ebay.com/itm/ME0709-Brush-Type-Permanent-Magnet-Motor-PMDC-24-72V-DC-Etek-R-19HP-pk-/250954809815?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash;=item3a6e1281d7 However, all i can find are " make your own HHO" fuel cells (which I'm pretty sure isn't what a fuel cell does but I might be wrong on that). Where can I find an actual hydrogen fuel cell that can power this motor plus lighting (and a few things like an arduino) for the motorcycle. Thanks a bunch!

Question by Sun Gear   |  last reply


Platinum and fuel cells.

A couple of questions: 1) Does anybody know where to get cheap platinum wire (or platinum coated wire) 2) Does AC work better than DC for electrolysis because neither of the poles will corrode. 3) fuel cells produce around 2 volts, right? 4) Is there a cheaper alternative than platinum for converting hydrogen (and does it need the oxygen?) into water and electricity?

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any ideas for fuel cell pem?

Any ideas for fuel cell pem, homemade ones, for any kind of fuelcell

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Pocket Hydrogen Fuel Cell

Horizon Fuel Cell Technologies has released a pocket sized refillable hydrogen fuel cell! It's designed to charge small devices on the go.  http://www.horizonfuelcell.com/store/minipak.htm $99? I think I have a birthday coming up... 

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what is principle and working of bio fuel cell? ?

I am Environmental science student.And i have to make seminar on "principle and working of bio fuel cell".I don't have any knowledge about this.please tell me what i should add in my presentation and suggest me some sites.

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Hard drive hydrogen fuel cell? Answered

I have just learnt that hard drive platters are coated in platinum, i know platinum is a catalyst in the reaction between hydrogen and oxygen to for water and produces electricity. This is basically what happens in i hydrogen fuel cell. Has anyone tried using these platters in making a fuel cell and if so how successful was it? Does anyone know if the platinum quantity high enough for this to be viable? I would like to here any ideas on this quite interesting project.

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Hydrogen-powered plane carries human crew for first time.

The first manned, hydrogen-powered plane has been successfully tested in the skies above Spain, its makers say.The small, propeller-driven craft, developed by aviation giant Boeing, made three short flights at an airfield south of Madrid, the company said.It was powered by hydrogen fuel cells, which produce only heat and water as exhaust products.The tests could pave the way for a new generation of greener aircraft, the company said.Boeing's chief technology officer John Tracy said the flights were "a historical technological success" and "full of promises for a greener future".Small futureThree test flights of the two-seater aircraft took place in February and March at an airfield at Ocana, south of Madrid. The plane was modified to include a hybrid battery and fuel cell system used to power an electric motor coupled to a conventional propeller. Hydrogen-powered planes have been flown before, but never with a human pilot onboard.BBC Story

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Fuel Cell Projects for The Evil Genius :-(

For my birthday I asked for (and got) the book Fuel Cell Projects for the Evil Genius. At first I liked it a lot. It had good information, and some really cool looking projects.What I started to realize though is that many of the instructions for many of the projects just say to go out and buy something from the author's store. The entire instruction for the Desktop Hydrogen storage unit was 2 pictures and a link to his store. This really made me sad. I bought this book because I don't really have the budget to go out and buy a lot of premade stuff.Has anyone else bought this book, or does anyone else have any thoughts about this?

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Is it possible to convert a catalytic converter to a hydrogen fuel cell?

I've read that catalytic covnerters use platinum and hydrogen fuel cell required platinum. So is it possible? and is it a cheaper/more affective way to make a fuel cell then by buy platinum to build the fuel cell or buying an actual fuel cell?

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Car Runs on Home-Brew Hydrogen

BBC News are running an item about a car running on home-produced hydrogen.UK company ITM Power has produced a plastic film they claim is suitable for home electrolysis of water to produce hydrogen. The hydrogen (they say) can be used in the home, to be burned for cooking or heating, or to power a car (they are simply burning it, but it could supply a hydrogen fuel cell).As we have mentioned elsewhere on this site, current sources of hydrogen are not "green" (95% of current H2 supplies are manufactured from fossil fuels), but ITM say that their system is green because you aren't stopping at a filling station, you're generating your own hydrogen from the energy resource of your choice (maybe your own solar cells or wind turbine).Others, however, have questioned the wisdom of storing tanks of hydrogen at home.Whatever the application, if this new material is all that they claim, it could be a major step towards a true hydrogen society.BBC StoryITM Power

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dos any one know how to make a hydrogen fuel cell work ?

Dos any one know how to make a hydrogen fuel cell work ? I have a small Hydrogen fuel cell for a toy car that came with it but it dos not work no matter what i do.

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how easy is it to make a hho cell for your car or truck?

i know that using a electrified cell you can separate the hydrogen molecule from the oxygen to produce a more concentrated mixture for combustion, is this simple enough or safe enought for a hack to do???

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Has anyone created a fuel cell big enough to run a laptop on?

I have a 12 year old Dell laptop that I want to be able to use when it's not feasible to plug into the wall. I like the solar power chargers but I think the concept of a fuel cell is intriguing. Any help?

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MY CELLS PRODUCED 1.3V EACH AND I CONNECTED THEM IN SERIES AND I TRIED TO LIGHT A 1.5V AND STILL I CANT LET IT LIGHT?

WHY CANT I LIGHT A BULB USING THIS ALUMINUM AIR FUEL CELL? SITE: https://www.instructables.com/id/Pop-Bottle-and-Carbon-Paper-Aluminum-Air-Fuel-Cell/?

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Would an hho fuel saving system wear out an engine faster than normal? Answered

I know someone who is considering adding an hho (hydrogen generator) system to their car. however, their concern is that the system will wear out the engine faster than normal, and therefore cancell out all of the savings. would the engine be affected negatively by the higher temperature and pressures, etc?

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How do I efficiently design an electrical system for an electrical motor run by saltwater fuel cells?

I am designing, building and testing an electrical system that runs off of saltwater and powers a buggy-like vehicle. My dilemma, is figuring out how to regulate the unsteady output of electrical energy into the electrical motor. I'm trying to figure out the most efficient type of electrical motor to use, only knowing I need 5 hp. How can I take the inconstant energy flow from the many energy cells, regulate a constant flow into the electric motor, and charge a separate battery with the excess energy, to be used in case of "emergency"?

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Hydrogen Oxygen Seperation? Answered

Is there an easy process I can use to separate my hydrogen from oxygen after the fact on my HHO (I don't know what you want to call it but this is easiest) generator.

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Silver wire vs. Platinum wire for Hydrogen Fuel Cells

I understand that most proof-of-concept hydrogen fuel cells on instructables use platinum wire. Can I use silver-coated wire in place of it, or rather, just any wire? Platinum wires aren't exactly readily available here in the Philippines, and I just want a good proof-of-concept hydrogen fuel cell that's cheap to produce. The silver-coated wire I'm referring to appears to be some sort of jewelry wire. I'm also wondering as to why most people would use platinum wire (is there a special property platinum possesses that other metals don't?). If I can't use platinum wire, then what can I use? Something preferably cheap and over-the-counter.

Question by nutsandbolts_64   |  last reply


hydrogen kit for a car? Answered

First is it real and i know how the hydrogen is made but does it go into the intake or something or through the fuel injectors as well as does it use the oxygen as well?

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How to make carbon paper or carbon felt for use as an electrode in an MFC? Answered

 Hey, i was wondering if there was any cheap method of making carbon paper or carbon felt at home for use as electrodes. 

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hi,i wanna make the algal microbial fuel cell.which would be the efficient for the treating of waste water ?

Hi..i am new to this area...i wanna make the assemble of the microbial fuel cell which is much help full in the removing of the nitrates from the waste water...i just wanna know that using algae as the inoculum & the substrate is waste water,,by this is it possible to remove the nitrate..by this assemble...

Question by gladiator4ever 


hydren ?

Hey guys i know i spelled hydregien wrong but i need blue prints for a hydregin fuel cell that i can make to power my workshop 

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I'm trying to develop a portable 'Thermos' style flask that heats around 500ml of water within 1 hour for on-the-go use.

I'm struggling to decide on a power source and a heating method. My tutor has suggested fuel cell technology but this is not readily available yet and although there is a lot of research on the topic, I have to create a working model. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated? Thanks for all your answers - much appreciated. I need it to heat 500ml of water to around 80C (enough for a hot beverage) so that the user can then add instant coffee/tea. I've looked into the technology behind zippo handwarmers using lighter fuel and a catalytic converter. I must either have a working model or perhaps just a prototype with a separate model simulating the technology within the flask. I need it to be fairly innovative so using batteries wouldn't work for this (plus it would be too bulky). Thanks again!

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Anyone savvy with Air Electrodes??? Thanks! =)

I'm posting this after having googled, of course...I work with DIY fuel cells using off the wall fuels. By far, the most expensive component of my FCs is the Air Electrode which I purchase from Electric Fuel Ltd. in Israel. The material was invented in 2008 (as far as I know) and EF were the ones who bought the patent (according to the inventor himself...sorry but his name eludes me). Anyhow, I was wondering if anyone knows how to make good air electrodes. Something that would give me at least a vold in reference to the SHE (V=0) and a current density of up to a few hundred mA/aq cm...The stuff is basically this, from the electrolyte side to the air side: Separator paper, Carbon powder with Manganese or Cobalt catalyst mixed in (and a binder of some sort, I suppose), a Nickel mesh (current collector) and a bit more Carbon+catalyst then a microporous Teflon(r) sheet (permeable to gases but not to liquids). I cant find nickel mesh where I live but the other stuff I could get--the Teflon(r) being replaceable with oil paper??? Any help would be greatly appreciated. N.B: I am Not trying to infringe on a patent, just trying to make some "homebrew" air electrodes for R&D; since I am still (steam comes out of ears) self-funded and low on funding...lol. Thanks a lot!!! =)

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Hydrogen gas by combining electron- generating bacteria & small electrical charge...

Hi,Pennsylvania State University researchers last week announced that they have developed a method of producing hydrogen gas by combining electron-generating bacteria, acetic acid and less than .2 volt source in a microbial fuel cell. Info at this URL... http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iXbROJgdF3_6BtG3TZFEs9hiw8CgI first heard about this last week on NPR's Talk of the Nation. Here is NPR link - http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16343702≻=emafThe researcher who led the project Bruce Logan, the director of the Hydrogen Energy Center there said last week on the show that this was actually a relatively simple process.He claims 90 percent efficiency. Also claimed is that the process produces 288 per cent more energy in hydrogen than the electrical energy that is added to the process.I would love to build one small scale and combine it with solar panels. Or maybe try to generate some hydrogen and try using it as a fuel supplement for my car using something like this - http://www.hydrogen-fuel.ca/ . Anyone willing to tackle this one?

Topic by nadsab   |  last reply


is it possible to make a paper engine that runs off of hydrogen if it really sturdy and cylinder is lined with tin foil.

Ok so i have this edea to make a small two stroke engine out of paper and run it off of hydrogen witch i will make with a large battery and water like a fuel cell. But anyways ive allready built the piston and teh crankshaft and the encasing well most of it but i wanted to get some opinions on it can anyone help me? i should put on here that its not just a single sheet of paper thick um each component is 10 sheets of paper glued and compressed over 24 hours but also im thinking that if i lined the cylinder with tin foil it would stop the paper from burning and also the explosion will be very very micro sized probably 2x times smaller than a fire cracker and the compression will not be much of a problem because it works more off of the just the force of the pop. Ok so um the paper is yes just ordinary printer paper you can get at walmart for $2.50 but i cut out the shape i am making about 10 to 12 times sometimes 15 even and glue them all then stick it under a couple boxes of clay i have that are about oh well idk but allot of wheight and when its done each peace is about 1/6 of and inch thick so basicly about the thickness of chipboard.

Question by mrn   |  last reply


What should I do with all this?

Hey everybody, I've been MIA in Ible-land for a long time now. In the meantime, some new stuff has been brewing here. Some totally awsome ibles coming, I promise! Recently I aquired at an auction: -a pallet of computers -printers -a 24" color plotter -a photocopier -a microscope on the end of a long arm with a fiberoptic light What should I do with the pallet of PCs, the photocopier, and the microscope? Obviously the photocopier is the big deal here. Copy machines have a loda of stepper motors (most w/ very high torque), lots of electronics, LEDs, high voltage power supplies, a flourescent lamp, belts, pulleys, encoders, shafts, wheels, feeders, speakers, com. chips, MCUs, RAM (good for advanced robots), lots-o-metal/plastic, and some very awsome/complex mechanisms. Pretty mush everything is in a photocopier. So help me out! maybe I'll use your idea to better mankind and destroy the oil industry! Okay maybe not, but it's a nice thought to imagine every car running on fuel cells. Give me some ideas because too many are running through my head. Things like: -Tesla coils -Rendering farms -laser scanners -CNC machines -static lifters -lamps (yeah, not the best idea) -railguns -large, 4x4 robots -trebuchets -sorting machines -combat robots -lasers -net-enabled robots -high-speed home PCs -extra misc. Also, the toner feeder leaks, that is why the copy machine doesn't work. There is a full toner cartridge though, what do I do with that? Well, give me some Ideas and I greatly appreciate it!

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What sensor should be used, or what can i make to precisely align a vehicle up to a ramp?

Sorry i couldnt decide how to word my question but here is my situation and i would be gratefull for any input because i am not sure what would be the best or easiest way to go about it.  My car is lowered and therefore i can not park in my driveway without having a ramp(plank of wood) infront of each tire at the sloped base of my driveway. This does not bug me as much as the fact that every time i go to back out of or pull up to my driveway i have to align my tires as best as i can guess up to the ramps, take car out of gear, put on parking brake, get out, check one tire, then the other, and occasionaly move the ramps left or right before i can get back in my car and procede up into the driveway. Ok so its not only my laziness that fuels this project... my mustang isnt the quiestest and when its late I feel bad leaving it idleing (making noise) while i get out to make sure i'm lined up to the ramps. I would love to make some kind of proximity sensor or something that lets me know when each tire is propperly lined up.   I have thought about a few different things like a camera under the front bumper that feeds to a monitor on the dash, (similar to a backup cam) also i was trying to think of a way to use an old cell phone and its camera for this.  IR proximity sensors in the bumper attached to LED lights on the dash that tell me im lined up if the propper LED's are lit. I dont know much about them but maybe some sort of magnetic sensor or metal detector.  One issue is that the placement of the ramps can be detected in different ways depending on the sensors used. whatever the factor is, that is being sensed (reflective surface, metal, tiny magnets) needs to be durable and able to be ran over on a daily basis. Also I want something that can be fairly accurate, although an err either left or right of an inch would be alright. Sorry for being longwinded but i look forward to some ideas! Thanks!

Question by colie1904   |  last reply


The future of "mobile" energy...

Right now our current standard is still to use LI-Ion batteries when it comes to rechargable and power demanding devices.We all want more power for our phones, laptops or battery powered tools on the job.And we also want to be able to charge our batteries faster and faster.Back in the old days a D-Cell like lead acid battery in a flashlight was good for about 3 hours until it started to dim a bit.With up to 4 batteries inside they were not just heavy but also quite hazardous.Chargin was usually done over night and you just hoped they were not blowing up while charging.I spare you the other types that came after and that we still use as they all have their good and their bad sides.If we trust our marketing experts than quite soon we will only have electric cars on our roads and battery the size of a suitcase shall be able to run your car for hundreds of miles.The ideas of graphite based batteries or those using crystals and their forming reactions are all great and promising.Some will certainly make it to the consumer in a few years.The one thing that we are never told though is where all the energy to charge those batteries is supposed to come from.Replacing the combustion engine with electric motors is one thing but if no fossil fuel is used....Energy does not come out of thin air!Right now a lot of countries already struggle to provide a reliable power supply grid and distribution network.If you ever enjoyed a scorching hot day during a blackout caused by everyone using too much electricity you know what I mean...The population is growing as fast as the energy demand for our industries.Solar and wind are well and good but without proper storage solutions of not real use because no one can really predict how much they can produce.You know, weather and such things...If we trust our so called experts than all will come together really nice.By the time we have really powerful batteries we will have enough alternative energy supply chains up and running to keep them charged.I have a few issues with this entire concept, so let's see what other people have to about this:Imagine you have a nice and big cabin somewhere really remote and beautiful - but with no electricity for miles.Obvious solution for the modern hunter or nature lover is to invest into free energy.Free because that is how your solar, battery and inverter system would be advertised.You buy the stuff and after that all the electricity comes for free - the things pays for itself!Reality is a bit off though as you need to maintain and replace the costly batteries over time and such things.All this however totally changes for a residential home.Getting a huge solar system on your roof is no problem.Getting off the grid next to impossible.You see, once (or even before) you sign up for an electricity contract it is defined that your home is in a residential area.This brings certain limitations like the requirement to connect ot gas (if available), water, sewage and electricity.Only way to enjoy your "free" energy is by getting a good deal with your supplier.Some countries do it differently but around here it goes like this:Whatever you use still comes right off the grid.That is because your solar system really struggles to cope with load changes and providing surplus back to the grid.And since your meter is not capable ofworking properly with it either...To make it "fair" it is metered how much you use and how much you supply.Most companies here even do this on at least an hourly base - just to fair...For your bill the amounts are then adjusted.What you supplied is taken off.Sadly in most cases going negativ is not an option - if you provide more than what you use only your supplier is laughing.To make things worse what you supply is valued far lower than what you get from the grid.Often the difference is above 20%.Control....Around here quite a few people basically covered house, shed, carport and all with solar panels.This was while we had a great subsidy from the government to go solar...After now over three years most of these people still struggle to get anywhere near even for their investment.Without the grants the timeframe to break even was estimated to be around 12 years - which is about the time for when you need to replace the lot anyway and start over.Some do get nice savings on their bills though but families with kids not so much...If you have little to no chance to get your investment back before you have to replace it, then it is not really that much of a good deal after all.Imagine in town with hundreds of small houses everyone would be able to get the same money back for the electricity they provide...Pay 18 cents per kWh from the grid and get 18 cents perkWh for what you supply and once you provide more than you use you get money back.The providers won't allow this to happen as it means they not just loose some money but also they would lose control.How could they justify another price hike?How could they explain the blackouts?Why should tey pay you at all... ;)If a city with enough open and unused space would decide to go solar on a huge scale and while add also add a lot wind turbines....Someone would need the electricity provided and someone need to step in for those times where demand is above supply.Here the old triangle of power goes into full swing....You see a city or town would need also need a sub station to handle the electricity and to distribute it to the town houses, shops and so on.Funny thing is that only a "provider" can do such things.Doing it privat is usually only possible in really remote areas, like big mining outposts that just have no other option than using generators or solar/wind.And in most areas a town or city is no longer allowed to be a provider of electricty - at least not in the drirect form.Buying in bulk is no problem, having your own supply system however is not in the books.Right now most, if not all the big wind and solar farms are owned and operated by energy providers.There is billionaires everyhwere who could build a solar and wind farm the size of Texas if they really wanted but they won't do it either...Starts with the land, goes over the usage rights and won't end with activists claiming how bad it all is.Means it won't happen and if it does then the energy providers get together and claim they guy might have money but does not have the right to provide energy unless he actuall starts a corresponding company and plays by their unwritten rules.Can we still dream about it though?The dream is kept alive like the fire of hope that is only a tiny amber.If you sign up for electricity you are asked if you would like to pay bit extra so your electricity comes from alternative sources.Why is that bad, after all it is green?The initial investment might be huge for a wind farm but after that it is more or less just providing mone out of thin air.You can look the cost up for the new windfarm build near you.Same for the electricity prices in that area.And also the expected output of the entire farm.Do the math and calculate how quickly they break even....Once they do it only profit but you still pay the extra to go green.A bit like the new road that came with a toll....After 5 years the motorists paid it off but 10 years later they are still being charged while the road is disintegrating...Now add electric cars and our constantly rising consumption to the mix...We can't provide the electricity ourselfs as we don't get fully paid for it, we can go off grid either.The atom as the source of electricity is being phased out slowly as well.Finally as some might say, considering the thausands of years we have to deal with the produced waste and what aftereffects the storage might bring.Our providers will keep their grip on us for as long as they can.No government will stop them as in return they wouldn't have electricity.A cold war if you like.We never cared how much fuel our cars use until the OPEC decide to limit supplies and drive the prices up.And you can see the riches especially in Saudi Arabia.For most of the big OPEC players it really does not matter anymore whether or not they have oil or not.They make the same or even more money by other means and more modern means now.After this initial shellshock we woke up and decided that for the shopping trip of the wife a small car with just 4 cylinders will do.Overcrowded cities and roads also pushed us more into thinking small.Again it took force to go further, this time by governments slowy "going green".Emmissions, greenhouse gasses, polution, particles and corbon monoxide...Sounded all godd in the ads but it meant we could no longer afford our old car or even got banned from entering the town center with it.But a lot people still can't afford a modern car that meets the standards.Once they finally got the money and car the laws change again and they need yet again a newer car.This created a huge export and recyling market and profits for other people though.And what differenc did it all make in reality?While we were forced to improve and lose money countries like the US refused for years to even consider reducing the pollution.Countries like China and Russia even increased their pollution to impossible levels.We all remember how Bejing was literally shut down for the Olympics so the athletes have a chance to survive the games...We know how the pollution or global warming problem is misused to make money.The governments get huge payouts in the form of taxes from those cars that can't meet the specs.The dealer smiles with the increased sales of cars.And again the government smiles too as they get taxes from this as well.We know it happened before and is still happening with everything realted to fossil fuels, global warming and pollution, so why would electricity be any different?Reactors and coal fired power plants are phased out with basically nothing to replace them.Solar and wind will provide and till then we keep what we really need to keep....There is no plan for what comes after coal and the atom.There is no alternative.Batteries need electricity.And providers will always be the middleman controlling both the price and the availability.So how does this actually work you might wonder...No matter who invents or produces a new device to provide electricity - there is a very limited market for them.A farmer can't buy a full size wind generator and place it on his land...But an electricity provider can buy thausands of them....And if you go bigger than ask yourself who would need a 10 or 100MW fusion generator?Providing electricity is only a viable option if you go big and if you can sell the excess with a profit margin.Leaves only our electricity providers as customers.If you don't have to care about the buying price because it will be put down one way or the other onto your customers than it is like a credit.Only difference is that once it is paid off you start to get money back!Imagine that for your bank account ;)And if you know what you sell can have a very generous profit margin because your buyer does not care then the solar or wind farm will be quite costly to build..."We know we are not cheap, but who else can deliver you what you need?"And like our big supermarkets there will be an agreement on what the wind generator can cost.Ressources....Be it wind, be it solar or just the modern electric motor in your car - they all require stuff that is very limited on our planet.Take Neodyminum.Without it we have no wind generator or fancy motors as we wouldn't have powerful enough magnets.Vital elements and mineral required are only available in a few spots on our erth in quantities justifying mining them.I won't make this much longer than it already is, so please look up what is really needed to keep our future solow and wind projects alive.Then go and check where we can find thes things in good quantities.Once you did you might realise why the world tolerates the abuse of human rights, freedom or just self expression in other countries ;)If only China would stop today to export and sell their rare earths and prcious minerals basically our entire production worldwide would suffer quickly.Entire industries break down quickly and prices for certain things would literally explode.The US already started to re-open long abandoned mining projects as suddenly even the most costly operations become viable again.Think about this next time you fancy a world free of cars and truck using combustion engines ;)

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