So... A while ago I bought me a programmer, a YL-34. Just like this one : http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mlUIj-G-RRAwnOSG5Bm_BxA.jpg As far as I can see, this board just connects the pins with connectors, has a Xtal on the right pins, a reset and lines that go to the 10-pin connector. I would like to use the chips (which have an Arduino Bootloader in them), and program them with the programmer/ board I have. But... How? I tried the Arduino as an ISP, but no go... I have also some FDTI boards, USB to serial. Please, anyone? I would love to use those controllers for some projects, so I don't have to use my Arduinoboards. If you can tell me how to program them (over Arduino IDE)? Or, if you know a good starterguide for programming these ("ATMega 32 PU for Dummies"... Thank you so much!