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Ancient technologies revisited - ancient "GPS"

This part is more theoretical but might be interesting anyway.To make this topic any interesting to you I have to assume you play with the idea of "alien" having visited earth in the past.If we check UFO sightings and map them like a nice man did for decades, then we find a weird thing appearing on a global map.It seems as if these UFO sightings are concentrated in various locations along a "grid".Some of this grid is the Ley Line system, a weak system of "lines" where certain energies act differently or where certain fields are detectable.Won't go into the magical part or why so many townships along those lines have names related to starts or constellations.Another part of the anicient GPS system is anomalies our earth provides, be it natural or "created" in the far distant past.I got interest after finding social media posts about an area claiming to have a messed up gravity in a very small area.Less than 100km away, so a nice bike ride with some testing stuff and off I went.Seeing a car appearing to roll uphill or balls seemingly doing the same is one thing, trying it yourself another.I did not notice any differences in weight or how the bike handled but I got a very weird "optical illusion" trying to tell my up is going down and the other way around.Did it in both directions several times with no change in this impression - even when focussing only on the spot in front of my wheel.time to invesigate further and to debunk some flaws other people made.Like how useless it is to use a self levelling laser level to "prove" nothing is wrong with gravity.If it is, then how would a self levelling device, depinding on gravity know? ;)Instead I did it dirt simple.Neon strings hung from lots of tree branches and twigs.If gravity is going nuts then those strings outside the affected area would hang at a different angle than the rest - they did not....Not even from a great distance, all just hanging perfectly straight and at the exact same angle.Ok, then, just an optical illusion due to the terrain after all....Last but not least I remembered my phone claims to have a gravity sensor and my watch has an altimeter and other sensors...The sensor test app did show some fluctuations but not any different to home or other places I tried.A bit more but IMHO not enough to justify any conclusion.However, my watch confused me.From what appeared to the bottom of Gravity Hill to the top I guesstimated a height difference of about 15m.My watch insisted every single time that when I reached the "top" that I was about 10m lower than at the bottom....Was a fun afternoon but I was no wiser in the end.Gravitational, magnetic and even geoligical anomalies are well mapped these days, same for undergroud lakes and water basins.Most of this data reached us from dedicated sensors on satellites in low earth orbit.If we have no troubles mapping them then it is safe to assume that a civilisation capable of inter stellar flight would be even more capable.And after god knows how long we finally even can measure the Ley Lines and no longer assume they are magical myths.All up it makes for very accurate system of navigation beacons that you can detect even if you approach on the night side.And since these locations on our continental soil as well as our ocean floors don't really change their positions it is highly accurate.If we say it is possible to use what earth, more or less naturally, provides to located any spot you like while still approaching earth from space - then what about more specific "markers"?We have the great wall, the pyramids, lines up stones from the stone age and then some things visible from space once you are in a good orbit.The ancient cities were often in what it today and already was back then, jungle.They must have stood out the same was as the pyramids - as huge clearings in the jungle with massive buildings.We also have all these nice animal figures in Peru.Too big to make sense from the ground, wrong angles to make sense from a great distance, unless you see them from above, or from orbit.All this was long shown to be coincidence, nothing to worry about or waste time on.But we learned this is not the case at all.The pyramids perfectly line up with the Bermuda triangle and ancient cites on the other side of the pond.From England to Rome you have a dead straight Ley Line and far too many are sitting right on top with unusal names.Attempts have been made over and over to use these existing references to find lost cities and more, quite often with success.We are very reluctant though to explore those signs pointing to the oceans...Finding just one of the mythical cities at a sea level matching the time period would mean that not just that myth might be true....I am not claiming I cracked the puzzle, just in case you wonder...Basically all ancient cities have mathy around them linking then to the gods, people from the stars.Even our cities following the Ley Lines are filled with these stories, be it the anient Greek, Romans or the great Kingdoms in Europe - the later all had their main residences right on the Ley line, some even on nodal points.Merlin was a great Wizard - or just some visitor with a far higher technology and knowledge of science...A very nice but somewhat very wrong theory claims the pyramids were actually build as huge power plants.You even find stories where it is (totally correct by the way!) calculated they could have been used as giant microwave transmitter to power starships in orbit like a recharge station....If that was the case then all identical pyramids, in terms of dimension would have been the same type of power station.Sadly they all seem to have only astronomical functions.Stonehenge is different, Rome is different, a lot of the old cities and temples are different.The thing common in all locations is Granite or even Diorite.Quarz is also heavy used in these locations throught ancient times.What do these materials have in common?For starters they are so hard, so durable that we struggle to work with them today unless we use diamond tipped tools.Even most carbide tools fail on Diorite...Secondly the fact they all have rather specific and organised crystalline structures.In some Indian temples this is even used to produced accurate and harmonic musical notes.If you want to build something that is certain to outlast your civilisation then you would choose these materials.Never mind the fact that the people in that time had no means to even scratch these hard rocks....A rather unusal approach to the problem started only less than 2 decades ago.Trying to measure more than dimensional properties of these creation, specifically these huge obelisk type "needles" of often hundret of tons in weight.Of course they could not really often use the real thing and to make do with smaller models they created.Key point was to match the exact type of rock from the same region as the big original, plus making sure the crystal structure is aligned in the same orientation.These guys first dicovered that these rock needles resonated at very specific acoustic frequencies.Nothing for most the spectrum but a very sharp amplitute amplification with little to no added harmonics for just a few tight frequencies.And yes, the max "elogation" was along the lenght of the needle with the tip acting almost like a resonator.The second and rather unexplainable thing was that these model sized needles also reacted to audi signals that did not came from a surface actuator but a normal speaker at close proximity.Did not stop them, just encourage them.It was not specified in the publication what higher band frequencies affected the rock but they claimed it acts like a high power amplifier for certain frequencies - with no detectable way where the excess energy comes from.If true it could mean that a lot of ancient structures we consider to be decorative could have actually been more like a lighthouse.Emitting a focussed beam of energy detectable from amost any approach angle when enterin our solar system.The thing you might now wonder about is: Why would highly advance civilisations need such beacons to begin with?This answer relates to the Apollo program - the Van Allen radiation belt, and some other strange things close to earth.The most significant other thing is our Ionosphere.Togeher they make radio transmissions next to impossible, only close to earth orbite, like where our satellites reside are in good enough reach.A long claim was that only certain frequencies can pass through these interference layers without losing too much energy or being distorted.Most of our planets emit a natural low frequency RF "signal".We can't detect them from earth though and used satellites and probes to measure and define them.Tesla's famous alien message was decades later calculated aginst these movements in regards to his location.Turned out he detected not aliens but the signals from two of our planets.Now this might be no big deal, I mean knowing it was not aliens after all, but it is in fact a huge deal!Tesla's receiver was only able to work in these impossible low frequencies that were claimed to be unable to pass through our interference layers!Much later we dicovered windows in these layers, even ways to caculate and predict their movements.It is now widely used to improve communications with our space probes and Mars missions.We still don't know if a suitable window was present for Tesla...If ancient civilisations or the gods visiting us for a while needed a way "to call home" or be called - what better way than using was is naturally there already?And it work the other way around as well.Send a strong enough and suitable signal to these structures and they would have to respond, maybe even in some audible form, no one really knows for sure it seems.My personal theory in terms of navigation and transmitting/receiving energy goes as follows and I hope you like it enough to make you own thought and conclusions:If we simply assume that certain anomalies or natural energies on earth are not just detectable but also usable it all could get a whole new meaning.Place a suitable object into an energy field and it can act as a "filter", an amplifier or as block.Like a Yagi antenna that you might find on your roof.What happens if have a theoretically endless conductor with a high frequency voltage going through?You have a very bad antenna of no use...But if you would place straight wires with a length matching the frequency you get a ton of small and powerful antennas....A bit simplyfied, I know but best example that came to mind to make a transition.If our Ley Lines and other form of natural energy phenomenon would provide energy to these ancient structures:What might happen if this "antenna" is just slightly out of tune and you "strike" it to produce a harmonic wave matching the energy going through?Right! You suddenly have a giant signal amplifier.And right again! You could actually try to send "signals" through the Ley Lines this way too.A harmonic wave would overlay the natural signal from the Ley Line and travel along it's path.Now the part you might not like at all, but it a key point of my own theory:If it is a natural energy that provides all this and we are able these days to detect these energies although we fail to understand, then where to they originate????If you poke your arm with a neeles then it hurts, poke a bit more and you bleed once you remove the needle, no one would do this for fun or even to get pleasure...Then why do we poke needles into our body, call it accupuncture and go home with such a happy face once the pain is gone???Guess you got my point already...It can't be denied that ancient civilisations already had a more than good understanding of things we onlydicovered or proved to exist thausands of years later.Even if we would exclude all godly and alien like things and just be ignorant and say that these folks knew the "body" earth" as good as a chinese accupuncture master would know your body and where to poke a few needles to heal you?If the energies are natural than our planet must produce them somehow, if you know how changes affect the planet you can "poke" it to get better - or to get much worse....Like the Butterfly Effect....You poke needle into Spain and in New Zealand you get a small earth quake....You poke a needle into Iceland and a temperature drop over atlantic makes the deveolping hurricane change curse to run out of steam over the ocean.You poke a needle into the right spot, stimulated properly and send a signal into outer space....If we can detect them easy from space, how strong would the energy level be if a burst of ALL the energy travels along the grid to combine in one single point?...How far could such a signal travel?How FAST would it travel considering no one, not even NASA dared to publish details about how exactly and what exactly was detected that matches these ancient old and till then just mystical energy lines and spots?A gravitational shockwave from an exploding star travels much faster than light....The ancient cultures of meaning knew exactly:Where the sun is in our milkyway,where our planets are at any giving time,at what angle our planets axis is, they even tracked this accurately,where exactly until recently unknown stars are within the Orion, Sirius and other constallations,when those stars where visible in the DAY or NIGHT sky,how exactly they moved when moved from earth AND how the position of earth relates the other way around,that there are Ley Lines, gravitational anomalies and more that we only learned to detect thausands of years later,about ALL the phsical, electrical and energy related properties of of suitable rocks and minerals,.....If they knew all this and we know that they did, why is so hard to believe they would have to have known that for a good reason, a purpose?I actuall don't care if they found all out themself, without knowing the wheel or the telescope...Neither if aliens, gods, people from the stars, visitors from another dimension or E.T. himself (herself, itself?) told them.But I cared for a long time about WHY humanity as a whole seemed to have forgotten all about his and how to use these unknown energies....So the final bit is not about my personal theories on ancient navigation, communication or energy usage.It is about the why it was lost...I make it a new chapter if you don't mind as it is not really about the GPS topic.

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Ancient technologies revisited - Ancient math

You can not have technology without math a fact not too many people would deny.At a certain level you just need a common ground to get from an adie to reality, even if it just a simple measuring tape.When it comes to math we have two major players in the game today.The metric system and then what the other people use ;)Jokes aside they both have their merits and they both come from similar origins.What they both lack though is literally anything that is not a straight line.As soon as it comes to something round, harmonic, free flowing or just with a complex geometry we utterly fail.It is like running aorund the barn, climing up a rope to squeeze through a thight hole to get inside.While all you had o do in reality is to open the damn barn door to get in ;)Ancient cultures used different way to tell the time of the day or day of the year.And when it comes to defining lenght that had everything but a common ground.For some it was how long some piece of wood was.So you want a plank of "4 meters" but order from someone out of town - his "4 meters" might be less than half of you need.Despite all these local differences though they managed to build and create with astounding accuracy.To calculate the movement of your solar system and other stars you need quite complex math - today.In ancient times people were able to just this without a compunter or wasting weeks or endless calculations....How did they do it?Nicola Tesla had a glimps of how nature really works.Despite never making any real documentations to create his invention he made one big exception.The circle of math.A simple thing on paper with lots of lines, numbers and spirals.You can find several copies and remakes with your favourite search engine, I prefer Duckduckgo.He used this circle to promote new ways of doing math in lots of schools and universites.With great success I might add.Sadly all this ended when he was discredited and died as a poor man.So, what then is so different between our modern math and ancient of nature's math?We are based on the decimal system mean we use 10 numbers for everything.Our first computer only knew two - 0 and 1.A bit later they used not just bits but also bytes and words- 8, 16, 32,64, ...If you break all this down then it comes down to evolution in terms of how in netures you go from one single cell to a complete human being.One make two, two make four, four become 8, 8 become 16, then 32, 64, 128 - you see the computer here and why it is more efficient that the math we learn in school?A computer does not count to 10 and start over...Our current math uses shortcuts and walkarounds to get to the finish.It made a lot of sense in the early days but has certainly long reached the limits of use.If we understood that a computer needs to go from a single bit to a byte like nature then what about the rest of the numbers nature uses and that most likely our ancient cousins used?To really explain it I need to involve our alien friends again.If we agree they would be resonsible for all things from UFO's, over technology and down to building entire cities:Someone would have to know about it and most like have or had contact.Ancient texts more than confirm all this through myths and legends.Now imagine you would like to influence the evolution of an entire race ove thausands of years.How could you make sure they reach a very high level but will never be able to "break the seventh seal" to reach your level?Of course in a way that this civilisation would never find out or consider...You limit its capablility to understand math!Despite having the solution right in front of our eyes from a single atom, over a ceel multiplication down to sunflowers and vortexes - we only march in 10 digit steps and won't ever consider to just dance aorund with the music playing...It really makes no sense to use 10 numbers!The day has 24 hours - 2 times 12, 12 hours for the DAY 12 for the NIGHT part.Eggs come in a dozen or 12 again.Not even the moon is "digital" and ancient calendars were highly accurate while our way of defining days weeks and such resulted in a total chaos requiring complex calculations.In ancient times it was all beased on how nature does it.The gregorian calendar changed this and if you check for the "excuse" why we suddenly had for forget all about lunar calendars you might be surprised.Fair enough but how could you convince an entire civilisation to forget all about real math and learn something way to complicated?USE YOUR FINGERS! ;) Yes, by pure coincidence our math system is based on how mand FINGERS we have.Not hands, not eays, not legs, fingers.Literally any other part of our body would have made more sense, at least you can get from 2 to 4 then to 8 and soon realise you are one with nature again.Simple, genius, unbreakable - show me one little kid in school that never tried to use the finger to do help with math....How many number does nature use then?Just nine.And for good reason there is no zero as we know it.The scam works so perfectly because all that was required was to teach us to not jump from 9 back to 1 but instead to add a zero to make it 10.Every time we go past the nine in the sequence we add a 0 and once that is done we add a diget and make it a 1 again.As a result and with no escape from it our math creates numbers that go bigger and bigger until they are too complex to handle with just our brains - we get the help of a computer using a similar flawed system that is at least faster.Nine numbers only - how do you use them?You can't apply our understanding of math to a system that does not know zero as we do.But I will try anyway in the best way I can.Take the computer sequence again: 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, 4096, ...There is a thing often just refered to being a party trick.It is the simplification of a multi digit number into a single diget one.In reality though a reamins of our knowledge how math really worked.You simply add all digets and if you still get more than a single one you repeat until you have just one.Let's try to reverty our embryo back to how nature created it b using the above numbers for this simple trick:1, 2, 4, 8, 7 (1+6), 5, 1, 2, 4, 8, 7, 5, 1, 2, 4, 8, 7, 5, 1, 2, 4, 8, 7, 5....I guess you see the pattern by now ;)Try for yourself!It always breaks down to 1 2 4 8 7 5 ! And if we have no real zero then there are only three numbers left: 3, 6, 9 .If create a circle and instead of going from 12 to 12 like on a clock you go from 9 to 9 you have the basic circle model.From the 9 on top go to 12345678.A pie with 9 slices if you need helping marking, but you can just devide the circle in 40° pieces.Draw a triangle between the 3, 6 an 9 - it should almost look like a sideview of a pyramid.Now draw lines in sequenc with the remaining numbers.Go from the 1 to the 2, then to the 4 and so on.Looks rather symmetrical with a "twist, like butterfly wings if you like.You can perform all basic math with just this circular concept.You only need to know how 3, 6 and 9 have other "meanings" and that there is no zero.Too bad we are no longer wired to think like this - but you could learn it (again).Higher math seems to be impossible though.Oh! Why no zero you ask?Well nature does not know "off" or nothing - all start with a single thing and in the end goes back to just that.Nothing is wasted...If you now would try to implemt PI into our circle we could try it dead simple.We multiply it with the numbers of the circle and add the result as a vector from the center through the corresponding number.If we would now connect the end points of these vectors and interpolated the stuff between them we get a very nice spiral.As we have no zero we also have no 10 and seem stuck at 9...But 10 times PI over the 1 still gives us the right result...In either case you could now enlarge or shrink this sprial any equal (x-y) way you like and the only thing changing the true result is the lenght of the vector.For a circle you don't care if the diameter is 2 meters or 5 kirdigs, you only need to know the vector - the definition of lenght relates to it, PI....Ok, but how could you do harmonic things like the change from day to night or a soundwave?Look to asia and simply draw the Yin Yang symbol insde your circle.Preferably rotated so the two small circle are orientated vertically.Going back to our simplification of the large numbers but using the remaining there:They are very special as they from a triangle - the proximation of a cricle with just three lines.Take any multiple of these numbers and you always come back to them through the above decimal intergation process.And it perfectly goes along with our nature.(Keep in mind real values like time or meter are just vectors here!)12 hours come down to the number 3, 24 hours turn into 6 18 hours into 9...If noon is 9 you would have a pretty nifty way to tell time precisely and the 3 and 6 would mark the turning points - or amplitude reversal....And if you now dare to color in the Yin Yang symbol slightly differently you end up with two sine waves that cancel each other out ;)Use Yin and Yang at the right enlargement (vector for lenght, time) and turn it to the correct number(s) (rotational vector) and you could do complex calculations with pen and paper that are accurate enough to build a ball bearing from the drawings and measurements - and bearings have tight tolerances.Go further and explore how our natural sequences like the Fabanucci Sequence or just the golden ration can be placed correctly in the circle and how it changes and simplifies relationships ;)Suddenly it becomes clear why our know laws of physics have such simple equations to explain them.The all deal with just linear things.Becomes painfully clear when you try to do math for a pendulum.Put down to the pure basics it eventuall becomes clear that weight does not matter for a pendulum (ideal), not even how great the amplitude is.The time it needs for a full swing only depends on gravity and lenght of the rope.....A force and vector....We did realise this at some stage at university but only after going painfully long hours of calculating all sorts of things to distract us from this simple fact.With the claim that it is needed to fully understand it LOLWe can't find the missing laws of physiscs because our math is flawed and does not allow for harmony and resonance - it is not a circle, it is a line getting longer and longer.If we do find them we will either re-invent math or use the most complex formulas you can think of to get results.Ok then, but why was this math secret hidden from us?Once you realise that you have 6 numbers representiong "evolution" or "progress" and 3 numbers that define how it all cycles in sync and harmony you can help but wonder how far this system goes.Nature and the universe is everywhere from sub atomic size to our galaxy...What drives life or evolution? Energy....Which means 3. 6. and 9 stand for the three universal forms of energy and their sum at the same time.Remember! NO ZERO, Remember! Yin Yang, no end, no beginning, always equal, always opposite.Real power comes from REAL knowledge and what you make with it.Is there an easy way to re-learn this forgotten math so it can be used for things as complex as calculating how a comet travels through space?Not really as we would first have to forget almost everything we know about math in terms of calculations with numbers result in more numbers.What we can do thoug is open our eyes and observe.Nature is all around us and we just need to learn again that nature knows it best.When you see a pretty flower look behind the flower, see the symmetry and harmony in the design.See how the number of petals relate or simply start counting with sunflowers to decipher why this design of seed placement is so perfect.The more you really see the more you will understand how it fits together using numbers.We had huge cities long before we lived in caves if we can accept that humanity is much older than what we think we won't reject true math anymore...

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Ancient technologies revisited - ancient "levitation" devices

If we look at some of the the ancient monuments we already struggle to come with just one idea how we could recreate it today.A monolith with a weight of close to 300 metric tons is one big thing.You certainly find some creative way of carving it out of solid rock about as hard as granite - even if ou only know bronze tools LOLBut that is archeology these days, always blind on one eye.Anyway, we just assume we carved it out already and somehow even managed to cut the underside off the rock without the 300 tons crushing the tools.No modern fleet of cranes could lift it if you could somehow get them into this remote quarry...And if we somehow would be able to lift it out we would have no clue how to transport it over 400km thorugh sand deserts as one choice, rocky terrain as the second or on water as a last resort with still 100km on land to cover.There is no evidence anywhere to indicate such a big and massive thing was moved from the quarry to the final erection site.....Mainstream experts claim wooden rollers were used - impossible in the terrain.And a boat or float able to carry it on the water would have been to big to fit on the river...Still the monolith made its journey and got erected in place....In other places we find walls and buildings created from single blocks of rock weighing in at around 50 metric tons for the smaller ones...In ancient Aegypt we find similar examples of large and heavy object being carved and moved around like they were made out of thin air.Again texts and other "writings" from sometimes well before our dark ages tell us about gods and people from the sky doing exactly that just by pointing at them and directing them with the hand and arm.Another indicator for this is that some of these huge monolithy rest on foundations made from individual rocks stacked up neatly.Computer simulations could not find any solution to get the monolith onto this base.Unless it would be stright and evenly down....In all other cases the foundation would have been crushed to dust by the weight and only the weight gives it it incredible stability without any mortar and just sand around it.Many theories exists on how these ancient gods were able to do their "magic tricks".Up to and including these gods being aliens or humans who traveled back in time from our own future.None of them though are really specific and prefer to only refer to "technology" instead.So lets take a close look at possible ancient options for levitation technology:How do you levitate a few tons of solid rock?We go small as we have to assume for once, size does not matter here.Practical and theoretical science provides us with a few options.For example by creating a lifting effect based on airflow - like a hovercraft.We know the gods did not create a sandstorm to move things, so that one is out.Next on the list is acoustic levitation.We do this already for fun and some real sience experiments, look it on Duckduckgo got get a liking of it.To make just 5 tons float in an ultrasonic node however would require a sound pressure that would liquify humans in seconds.Apart from the problem of placing and keeping the transducers aligned.Nothing you could do by pointing you hand and waving around...Einstein provided us with the realitve ;) option to simply nullify the mass of our rock.Several options are possible here.For example by making the rock vibrate at the same frequency as our gravimetric field.Sadly we only (so far) accept gravity as a constant force because we can't (yet) understand or theroise properly about what exactly creates gravity.From the same basic formula in Einstein's book comes option two : Eliminate the gravitational influence on the rock.In way too simple terms to allow a better understanding:Imagine the rock is a ball and gravity is an air stream.If the ball is light enough but not too light it seems to float in the airstream.With the right texture on the surface it even spins quite fast and gets even more stable.You could re-direct gravity in a similar fashion to make to rock float.A push with your finger and it keeps moving like it would in the waste emptiness of space.A slightly different theory from a different side uses vortex energy to make the rock float.The beauty behind this particual theroy is that it would actually match the ancient texts quite accurately.Vortex energy is a relatively new field of science and not always accepted, so take it or leave it.Directed energy can create harmonic resonances in solid objects.The idea behind the vortex is that a relatively tiny device is capable to induce this harmonic vibrations.A bit like Star Trek a second energy "beam" can lock onto this specific frequency.By modulating the positive or negavit amplitude you then can move the rock towards the origin of the beam or away from it.Directional changes would happen through just moving the source of the beam, like on a ball joint to keep it too simple.Why would this theory match almost too nicely?A vortex beam could be losely seen as a kind of tractor beam.And the "uneven" movement of these massive objects in ancient texts make it only more plausible.They were not following the terrain like they would have on some antigrav-platform hovering over the ground.Often they were lifted up hundreds of meters before starting to move towards their destination and then they were lowered down vertically.We don't know if there were levitation devices or even anti gravity devices in actual use thausands of years ago.The only thing we know if things were moved without sings of having been moved.And well, that we have no clue how to do it with our modern technology today....

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Reviving ancient laptop.

I lost the battery to an old Sony Vaio. I'd like to use it again, maybe run Xubuntu on it, could you point me in the direction of a way to use a bunch of regular batteries to power it? I'd be very appreciative.

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A Modern Ancient Philosopher.

It's about time we had some intelligent, thoughtful input to the forums, instead of arguments about the way that the rate of global warming correlates directly with the number of threads about K'Nex (see, I knew I could find something to blame them for!).So, I present for your edification, enlightenment and enrichment, the thoughts of Phistophocles: Book TwoBook ThreeEnjoy, and contribute your own favourite philosophies.

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Ancient technologies revisted - The Moon

It was always up there in our sky.It inspired artists, song writers and created some of our greatest myths including werewolf stories.But is the moon really just some old rock giving us tides and a more stable weather?NASA tells us the moon is a hollow metal sphere.Astronauts reported Foo fighters and all sorts of optical objects that no radar would detect.To say WHAT the moon is would be controversial is an understatement but the facts are out there and are being accepted more and more by mainstream scientists.When I was a kid you would have not found any scientist taking seismic reading from the moon as prove that it is hollow.Today it is a widely accepted fact as we can not produce ANY evidence that the moon is not hollow.All this however only spans a few decades of exploring and slowly accepting facts for what they are.We still struggle to accept that ancient myths and writings as well as evedince written in stone is real evidence.Mythical creatures, gods and such come from the mind of people not knowing technolgy as we do today.They got depicted often as interpretations of the real thing.Some native tribe member from the Brasilian jungle would today not be able to make a drawing or even model of a helicopter that few over his head.It would look like anything but a helicopter and shows what was really visible with a lot of details lost, especially if it was flying a bit high.So let us assume just for the fun that these ancient texts and images really show us advanced technologies seem with the eyes of a underdeveloped (technical) brain.After all, we are happy to accept a lot of other things from the same texts without even questioning.A surprising amount of ancient myths and legends speak about the time before time.Or in more modern words, the time of creation.It is always a reference to when for those "reporting" self awareness and existence started.Some scholars though say it only the time when we learned to form our spoken words into a meaningful written language.This statement becomes painfully obvious when you explore cultures that never developed a written language in ancient times.Like the natives in Australia and namy native tribes in America.Many scholar these days consider that the ancient people only developed a written language as a requirement.But not as a requirement like we might think.You can teach one person something or give the person instructions.This becomes much more efficient if you can write it down and the other person can read it.It also revent mistakes and misinterpretations.It is the number one thing allowing us advance technological.Those cultures only adapting to a written and "documented" language long after their peak provide us a story that is shared throughout ancient cultures around our globe.We can hear the same from the mebers of those tribes that still have no written language of their own today.Some of them even started to see the importance and became authors and wrote books about the dreamtime and how their people and our world came into existence.In those older than ancient stories we hear about a time of great suffering and ongoing harship to survive.As long as thier stories go back it was like that.Put into modern context and stiched together from around the world:We had hurricanes on impossible power destroying crops and dwellings but the big cities always surived them.We had winters cold enough to freeze a glass of water in minutes.It was a hard existence and survival was everything.Whenever it got too hard though the people from the big cities offered help and shelter.Our struggle with this is already that during those time humanity neither knew how to build solid stone house now had a brain capable to design a complex city.Either way the powerful people from those cities decided one day that enough is enough and provided weather and climates to allow humanity to evolve.Once pure survival no longer requires 24/7 attention you find time for other things...Then what was it these ancient and unknow city dwellers did to fix our weather and climate?If you trust stories that were told from generation to generation for millenia then they placed a huge disk in the sky emitting enough light during the night so peole could see what is going on without needed a burning torch...The simple people back then were scared and thought their end is coming because this disk made everything so much worse.Huge earthquakes, tsunamies going hundreds of kilometers into the land, vulcanic eruption lasting for months on end.Decades of cold and miserable weather from all the dust and smoke in the air.But those powerfull people promised it will end soon and that the disk will bring stability and prosperity to humans.And when it finally happened and our world was the beautiful blue planet we know today the powerful people left - often together with their cities.Left to go back to their even bigger cities in the skies and amoung the stars.This huge disk was much much later named moon....A nice story, trust me I know....But we like to say that every story, every myth and every legend has a true fact here and there.Often overstated, or simplified but still there...The more we learn about ancient text, the more we actually understand why making sure these stories survive throughout time - the more we learn that they more truth in them than we dare to admit.How important would some historial fact for us today be so that we would try to preserve this knowledge for the thausands of year yet to come?We don't even have this concept :(So try understand how important, how valuable the core of a story must be that it really surived for thausands of years???!!!You could make a much greater story about how you invented the wheel and clock or how building dams allowed your culture to feed everyone through advances in farming.All those facts got lost, only the people from the skies and the disk up there remained important...Can we really be selfish enough to just ignore this fact and state it is impossible and never really happened?The storeis place the moon into our sky at around 100-250.000 years B.C....That is if ignore one tiny detail, but I get to that soon.Science provided us with real answers and fully debunked all the mathy about the moon being placed.When it was supposed to happen our geological structure was already subject to the gravitational forces of the moon.And thusands of years earlier the samples show exactly the same, so we can stop this nonsense of the the moon being artificial, hollow or even created and placed by someone.Or can we?Thing about these ancient stories is that they tell what was happening those "before", the ones providing help and guidance "now".Unthinkable, turst me again, I really know :(But as science states over and over again: Only fact we can see and explore speak the full truth.We found parts of the truth during the German space program and got scared enough to stop.Is it our advance in technology, defence and offense that gives the confidence to go back again now?Some say yes, other say it is a necessacity to go back.If we look who holds the power and who had and still has the control about most vital info deemed to be nothing for the public we have to wonder...It is a bit like a Star Trek comedy."Look! We united, we make a team efford, we are ready!"In reality though we just a bunch of cowards playing dirty games with each other.No one really wants to be just a part of it, they all just want to be first and stay in control.Coincidence? Hardly...What would be the possible implications of all this?Even if we could ignore ancient stories about the time before time we can't ignore basic facts.A hollow moon would indeed mean that just rock is not enough to give it enough mass.Would also mean it simply can't be coincidence that it has no rotation despite all we know about planets and moons clearly stating otherwise.Excluding even this problem we still struggle.No matter if there is rotation or not, the "millions" of years of space debris of quite large size would have left real evidence up there.But we find no real mountains, no really solid rock in or around the craters.And the damn things, despite this, seems to be so hard that no impact can create a deep crater....So of course we found some discarded scientists who started to count and cataloguise all these impacts.Thanks to NASA providing highly detailed images and orbital scans an almost easy task.First goal was to figure out or at least properly guess how much mass these hits added to the moon.Most of them would have been some icy mix with rock, only a tiny amount with mostly metal at the core.Since the moon still has some sort of working gravity despite being hollow a calcuable amount of debris would have settled on the moon and not that much would go back into space.Also some of what escaped would not have escaped orbit and the moon collected it over the years with its gravitational pull.The scientists struggled at one point when they found a weird problem.Not a single crater seems to have been caused by something hitting the moon at an angle.No one up there to clean up and no atmosphere either...Statistically speaking it is next to impossible that every rock that ever hit the moon came at a dead 90° to the area it would hit...Anyway, they ignored that tiny conundrum and moved on.We have a good idea how deep the craters are and how high the rings around them are.Everyone can agree that a crater can't be bottomless, because, well, it is covered by debris and rather flat.This flatness everywhere on the moon suggests that something "solid" must be under it - at a certain distance from the surface.With a margin of error in the region of just 17% the debris from whatever was hitting the moon to create the craters matches the thickness we would need to cover a solid sphere....Coincidence I know but still interesting to know...So when we can finally admit what the moon really is and how exactly it got up there we know for sure that we modern humans were not there first people roaming the planet....Does not mean that aliens were here or that they still are, just give a different perspective on our evolution and how the earth evolved.And we can just change what everyone takes for granted...But wouldn't it be nice when in a few years some astronaut calls home and says "Hey we fund a hatch under the dust!" ?What would we say then to ignore what we already know?

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Ancient technologies revisited - the ATOM

Imagine a great war or battle.These days it means you imagine devastating weapons and huge destructions in a short period of time.But what would you imagine for a great war that happened about 4000 years ago, or some that happened over 10.000 years ago?Bow and arrow maybe? Some metal blades and axes if you are lucky?Anything that could make a big band is out of the question if we trust history and the timing for inventing black powder...Mohenjo-Daro is one of many ancient ruins that have been found and studied.According to mainstream science the city was abandoned due to some climate change or maybe a change in trade.Later excavation found skelletons in the streets, holding hands...Certainly a sudden and unexpected end for those found.But why are those skelletons still intact after well over 4000 years and show no signs of decay?Or why is it that predators still avoid the entire area?Further tests quickly revealed elevated background radiation - a nice term for saying there is radiactivity but we don't know why.Outside the area level drop to normal.The estimated 4000 years is based on carbon dating other things found in the area as the skelletons themself returned "inconclusive" results.A process called vitrification can be observed through the area on rocks, walls, and everything "rock".The material or at least surface was heated to melting point, lava and then cooled down again.Resulting in a glacing effect.Ancient Indian texts speak of a time of great war around 5000 years ago.Close enough for many to consider the time matches the ending time of Mohenjo-Daro and other ancient cities in the region.In those text a weapon was used that created a fireball thausands of times brigther than the sun that swirled upwards.The earth was rumbling even hundreds of miles away.People how saw it happen shortly after lost their hair and fingernails, developed painful blisters and died shortly after.Tell the same story to a modern human and he say it was radiation exposure from a nuclear explosion...The same almost identical stories can be found in other ancient texts, the oldest dating back over 50.000 years for the time of war(s).But we know humans definately had no clue how to make gun poweder, a cannon, let alone how to create a critical mass for a nuclear explosion....If no humans then who else?Carbon dating at those sites often provide totally different results.One piece shows for example 4000 years and another found close by shows well over 10.000 years of age.Considering the architecture, capabilities of humans at that time and assumed mental (brain) development, mainstrea historians tell us that humans could not have designed and planned those big cities.Apart from not having the required tools for the stone work and transport.In archeology people like to say that the deeper you dig, the older the stuff you find.If the same is true for these ancient cities than those dated relics from the deepest ground put Mohenjo-Daro at approximately 12.000 before Jesus was walking around...That would implicate that there was a thriving city for about 8000 years!!! until it suddenly got superheated, and exposed to radiation....And Mohenjo-Dara is only one of many cities in the region and even more with identical "marks" from around the same time can be found all around the world...The ancient text always refer to gods, higher beings or those coming from the stars as the ones at war with those below on the surface being collateral damage....Ok, let's assume we humble humans were not as evolved as some other humans we have not found through digging yet.According to the mainstream that wouldn't work because we already "know" how old the human race is and where it originated.And then there is this old GOD problem....Most ancient cultures and religions speak of more than one god, usually at least three are known throughout ancient texts with many refering to large numbers, like the greek, Hindu and even Romans.The bible make a big exception, same for the religions based on the same old topic.There is only one god.If so then why did he say "WE" when speaking about who created humans and "OUR" when refering to what image is used for the appearance of humans?Moses was an Israelite send by his mother onto the river to prevent being killed as a first born by the pharao.But when you check who fathered Moses you again find a god who had sex with a human female.God himself however never had sex with humans....Still Moses was his big favourite and got all the help needed, including food and water in the desert for 40 years....When a sinful city was burnt to the ground and a woman decided to stop and watch against strong advise not to look back she turned to salt.If a human body is exposed to intense heat and radiation it decomposes to ask - you turn into a pile of white ash that could be mistaken for salt when the wind makes it crumble and fly away.Especially considering that those who saw it must have turned around as well and they could not have done that without turning to "salt" unless it was all over or they were far enough away.Some say the god from the bible indeed use atomic weapons on humans for punishment...Nice stories, nice "evidence" if you interpret it the way you like - I know.Thing is that mainstream science and historians can't come up with any theory that is more feasable and does not rely on literally every text only refering to events in mataphers or by mythifying it.Once you have to interpret translations of ancient texts so they must exclude all acknowledgment of higher technology you are hinding something....Personally I accepted for many years that there are people out there with a strong desire to make everything (im)possible to look like the work of aliens.But the more time I wasted trying to completely disprove what I strongly trusted to be bogus, the more I struggled myself.Some things just fail to add up once you look at them with a wider field of view and a lot more references than what single texts and publications can offer.Once you start to accept that some "facts" we learn in school or through studying at a fancy university can be correct you start to question even more.For lots of things I found plausible explanations, workarounds and even basic ways to design things just using a compass and ruler.Still a lot of things failed to add up no matter how I tried and how willing I was to accept that someone used a bronze chisel and a stone or copper hammer to create 1000 metric ton obelisk....It was sometime in 1992 I think when I found documents that revealed the true accuracy on some of the ancient contructions.Be it the great pyramids or just granite staris in south america....Like some household bowls granite or even harder rock was used and precise angles created that even modern tools and machines will struggle to re-create.A box cut-out in granite with fully parallel (less than 1% deviation) walls and inner angles with a radius of less than half a millimeter where the surfaces meet!!I got hooked if you like...As a result I did a little "game" about a year later.Using good quality images I could find in books or online I selected a few nice granite creation from the Inka, ancient Aegypt and the middle east.After removing all background and adding and overly with dimensions in another version of the pics I contacted stone masons...Not any stone masons, only those predominantly working with granite or harder rocks and creating tru masterpicese.My request for the images was simple and everyone got another ancient object from me.All I wanted was a quote on how much it would cost me to have this piece replicated in granite - to the dimensions and specs as referenced.Not a single mason was willing to take on the job.A few stated it would take them weeks and most likely several blocks of granite to just figure out who to make the required cuts.And for the surface finnish they were lost completely....Does that mean just because we modern humans can't do some "basic" stone work that peole did with bronze tools that aliens were involved - nope...It only means that for some of the ancient structures not only hundreds of thausands workers were required to move this big rocks by hand.And well, that unless you had thausands of years to finnish your decorations you would have had a few hundred stone masons - all with identically high skills and identicaly accuracy when creating their pieces.Highly unlikely, but according to archeologists the best explanation we have.When I got back to researching for the Repulsine and other related "UFO's" I soon discovered certain annomalies when it comes to how science and archeology refer to our ancient past.One side tells us total bogus once they start digging in the sand, the other side refuses to at least consider that if all evidence speaks against side one than side two needs to provide real answers.The science anomaly...I you finace some expedition to dig out an ancient temple or city then you do that to get some postive out of it.In return a lot of our old archeological explorations ended with biased findings and translations.These days we have more and more teams working "independtly" from financial sponsors that try to influence results.And with that came the exposure of the science anomaly.If the grave diggers say it is some decorative item showing some bird or insect that it is accepted.If the same thing appears in texts on a wall and other Language specialists" learn how to translate the writings these symbols often caused gpas or totally nonsense translations.Then someone totally unrelated to it all build a model, puts a tiny engine in it and that things actually flies and performs perfectly....Of course some students of ancient wrtings try their versions of translating the gaps and misleading areas...And despite having no clue what to look for they translate and reference to flying machines or people from the stars - based on using the same translation matrix used by the real specialsts that claimed the text can't be translated...I found the same anomaly when it comes to things related to higher technology, even if it is just batteries.Total bogus from the archeology department, utter silence and no interest at all (offically) from the science department.Still the science geeks invested billions over the years sponsoring all sorts of diggings and translations...Only hand full of these studies were made available to the public...At first I thought it is just coincidence because of all the aliens nutters out there.But even things that even an idiot wouldn't try to link to aliens are affted by this anomaly.We have experts of an entirely different field making the wildest of assumptions to avoid even hinting people in ancient times were far more advanced than what we think.And those experts of the science field who could help simply refuse to even tough the topic - officially.Then one day it hit me...The same familes and companies that sponsored some of the greatest explorations of our times are still very, very powerful and influencial....And they all made more than just good money since those glory times...The power of the atom was harness and used long before we even thought about a wheel.Real and true translations of ancient text with an interpretation based on the Y2K bug instead of the 1800's reveal a lot more than what museums and schools let us believe.The discovery of several thought to be only mythical ancient cities in the recent decades started to even open up the minds of strongly religious people.If the city is there, then the stories about it must have more truth that just being a nice story...If evidence speaks against archeology then ther must be a scientific explanation - or at least a technical one.What would that imply if the "new" evidence it correct and archeology is indeed totally wrong?What would happen if humanity starts a nuclear war?Even if it would come to what we had during the cold war, it won't take too many modern missles to make the world uninhabital for most areas.A lot of land will be free from direct radion but the fallout, failing reactors and the climate change would certainly set back humanity to the dark ages.Let's say the cold war would have turned into a real one and only enough of the rockets were used so all sides realised the game is over for everyone already.After a few hundred years our big cties would be overgrown by jungle.Conrete, steel, roads and all would slowly decay.A few thausand years and not much at all will be reminding someone of out glory past.Humanity might have survived in bunkers for a while but there isn't a real way to prevent degradtion once technology fails and you have no one to fix it or replace it.We might still have stories and legends about a past where we traveld through the skies, even made it all the way to the moon and back - but they are then just myths and bedtime stories to scare the kids.We think we are well prepared with DNA banks, bunkers that can sustain thausands of people for decades -but what if it take longer until we can go out and stay unharmed?How would humanity change after generations under ground?And what would they find a thausand or two years later when they find our cities as ancient ruins?What would they think finding the remains of a nuclear reactor that is still "hot"?What would they do if they find some old and still intact bunker with still working tech and plans/designs?Imagine the stories about Area 51 at it's glory and now imagine what it would mean for a cicilisation back in the dark ages to find still sealed areas with usuable (for out todays understanding) technology?The truck might no longer drive, the engine might be fully seized and corroded but you could try to reverse engeneer it, replicate it, even find notes you can translate giving your a repair manual and details on the fuels and lubricants used....Imagine good old Henry Ford would have found a Haynes manual for a modern car in his backyard when planting roses....We would claim inventions or discoveries of someone else as our own now, would we?So if anyone would have discovered ancient tech or even the atom and made it usable we would know about it!?If that would really be the case then why does most of the world still think Edison inveted the light bulb? ;)History is always defined by the winner or by those in charge of writing or interpreting it.That is the beauty of ancients texts and writings - they don't lie like we do, they just use the words and mental capabilities of people that have no clue about science, math, technology or just astrology to describe events.History does not lie is a statement often used for archeology.If that is true then why does history say it was the american space program that got us to the moon when in reality it was high ranking Nazi officials that provided both the technology and the scientists?Why does history state the numbers on the arms of jews in death camps were an idea of the Nazies when IBM provided not only the computers and punch cards that corresponds to those tatoos but also did the data recovery after the war?History tells us other facts and disguises the reality because it suits the winner.America would not have liked the idea that Nazies got them onto the moon or that the millions Thyssen provided for the ware production actually came from US companies in return for steel - long after all trading with the "enemy" was forbidden.The companies and familes got never charged for this war crime....Back to the atom....If history as it was in reality was cahnged over and over again by the US government then why would or should we assume any different for ancient technology or the utilisation of the atom itself?Some theorists clearly state that science, especially theoretical science provided us with what needed to find ways to turn theory into reality.And thankfully a lot of countries around the same time period started to experiement with the atom - coincidence that the war lasted until it was evident Germany is just weeks away for having enough material for their own nuclear bomb and already the rocket in a late building state to carry it all the way to New York?History shows us an entirely different picture of Germany before the Nazi times.Percision and quality at levels that caused envy in the world.And within a few years of a nutcase running the show there is a technolgical boom that should have taken several decades to develop...History like to state the Germans were just really good at what they were doing and that under pressure they got even better...Reality tells us that under the pressure they had they would have come up with all these ideas themself - try to think straight is your family is threatened if your don't deliver results...After the war it took decades to regain a certain level of quality and to come up with good inventions...And the US started a boom that went similar fast as before Germany's...Some theorists now start to claim that China is not only rich in ancient history but also in ancient sites that no outsider will ever see.The areas containing ancient cities that were discovered are entirely under state and military control...Only once there is nothing for them left some are opening to "normal scientist and archeologists"...Some insiders now make the claim that China discover ancient texts and matching technological remains for working cold fusion...Funny enough that an ancient city that widely used the claimed technology (in ancient texts) is said to be in close proximity to a few tiny islands disputed for hundreds of years not just by China and Japan....We know history is being manipulated on purpose to create a flase image of governments and religions alike.We also know that stealing things and peole and claiming them as your own is common practise - not just for the US if that still matters...We also know the moon is hollow, even NASA admits it, still history says it is a lifeless rock...If it is not: then what better place to suspect perfectly conserved remains of a past we state never existed?Does our ever growing need for electricity and energy of all kind plus our need for more space to humans explain the sudden urge to go back up there?I mean it was made very clear that we never need to go back up there again, been there, done that, let's move on - and the space program for the moon was cancelled with rockets, equippment and astronauts already lined up and ready...Take a look at ancient drawings, statues and texts and try not to see or think about modern technology when you find strange things.The more you look the more you wonder how those stories would sound if a modern human would have been present, how a modern human would put what he saw into images and carvings....One picture shows a thriving city, the next shows a great fireball rising UP, the last picture shows only flat land, ruins covered in ash and pushed over trees for miles - what would those images tell you if the text to them states hair loss, fingernails falling off, blisters and a painful death shortly after?They had no blackpowder, there was no vulcanos for thausands of miles, there is no impact crater from a meteorite - so how could these ancient people make a big city disappear within seconds and only leave glaced stone and radiation behind?If there is no gods, no aliens, no time travellers and humans could not have done it - who or what did?What is so important to feed us so easy to figure out lies about our own history, our own inventions our own accomplishments?What is it the Nazies never had, the US never took and that has period links to areas in Antarctica that are now "assigned" to US control?Funny coincidence that one of these "research" station is literally right on top of a base the Nazie never had down there.Linking it all back to the ancient Sumarian people, and good old moses himself ;)Imagine yourself what is important enough to feed your whole country nothing but lies for decades ;)Not that hard to figure out if you link the dots and spend a few weeks with you favourite search engine these days.The answer will surprise you when you find it - promise!

Topic by Downunder35m  

Ancient History: Kite bombs

From the article:   We investigate the kite bömb - a never before built medieval siege weapön that dropped bómbs from a kite over cities. We build one and test it with startling new insights and success. We investigate ancient bouncing bõmbs that actually skip across water - ... Source of article.    I saw this on the Ancient Discoveries. Over the weekend I believe, on TV.   The key to stability was a long tail...... Here is a source of information given to me by Kiteman,  concerning the Ancient Kite Bómbs (arial attacks before the airplane or balloon).      

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What are the specs on this ancient RAM?

 I would like to replace the two 64 MB modules in an ancient computer with two 256MB modules. Unfortunately, Linux was unable to report a manufacturer or model for the motherboard (only that it has a 950Mhz Duron and mostly SiS onboard components.) Even that report is suspect, as it said there are four memory slots when in fact there are two. So, take a look at this photo of three sticks of memory which worked successfully in the machine. What exactly are their specifications? Then, look at the specifications in this Ebay ad.  Is it fully compatible (assuming the computer can handle 512MB)? Update: Apparently the seller who I originally linked to is a scammer. I'll reference a more legit looking Ebay seller instead.

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Ask a Scientist [topic: ancient science]

Topic: The 2000-Year-Old Computer (and Other Achievements of Ancient Science)We learn in school that the science of our ancestors included such endearing bunk as flat planets, geocentric solar systems, and the balancing of the body's four humors. (Even the pre-internet decades of my youth now seem to me like a dark, distant era of ignorance that I can't believe we all survived.) Did our ancient predecessors get anything right? Of course they did. Tonight, science historian Richard Carrier will discuss the nature and limitations of ancient science.While crucial contributions have come from many different cultures throughout history, Richard will talk about a handful of Graeco-Roman scientific and technological advances that might surprise you. Here's a teaser: we'll learn about the Antikythera mechanism, the oldest known computer discovered in a 2000-year-old shipwreck near Crete (pictured below). Cool.ABOUT THE SERIES: Ask a Scientist is an informative, entertaining, casual science lecture series, held at a San Francisco cafe. Each event features a speaker on a current topic, a short presentation, and the opportunity to ask all those burning questions that have been keeping you up at night. No tests, grades, or pressure, just food, drinks, socializing, and conversation about the universe's most fascinating mysteries. February 26, 200807:00 PM - 09:00 PMCost: FreeLocation: MapAxis Cafe1201 8th Street (btw. 16th & Irwin)San Francisco, CA 94107Additional Info:

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Ancient technologies revisited - drilling and machining

In the ruins of our ancient world we often see exceptional accuracy for surfaces but also clear indications of machining work that should have been impossible back then,For quite a few of these impossibilities modern scientists, inventors and people that just like to experiment came up with plausible conclusions.So let's start with a few of them...Core drilling...It is a process were a rather large hole is not actually drilled but cut out.Imagine a piece of pipe you press into some clay - that's what you end up with.A circular, deep hole with a standing core inside, break the core off and you are good to go.Doing this with copper or brass tools as the only available metal tools seems feasable.If it is something soft like sand stone but for things like granite???Ancient texts provided some clues, like that slow spinning tubes were used or that drilling a 2m deep hole did only take a few hours.Appearently it was done in less than half a day - a day being daylight.Modern diamond drilling tools would still struggle to create such a deep hole in that time unless you pay a fortune for a custom made drill bit.One clue that was nagging these people for a long times was how it was possible to reach these high penetration speeds.The marks on core samplesand holes clearly show and almost spiral pattern, indicating the "drill" went deeper by a few mm with just a few rotations of the drill.The calculated pressure required to do this is about equal to having a tank parked on top of your drill....Impossible I know...Hammer drill differences give us another clue here.Take you homedepot drill that can drill in metal and stone - it runs fast and although it does the job the tradesmen tool does it better.Not because it is way more expensive but because it is purpose made by running slower but with a much more powerfull impact for the drill bit.How do you create a massive impact with copper or brass?Those who tried a copper drill will tell you they are no good for anything.Those who tried a copper core drill will tell you the same.Too soft, deforms too quickly, no "teeth" that last for more than a few seconds.But is that really true???These soft metals seem to have a feature that makes them special: They can be "work hardened".Like the top end of your cold chisel "peeling"...Of course the harness levels you can achieve are still very short of being even like soft steel.Every material has a resonant frequency, even hard rock like granite.A technique called sonic drilling utilises this as an advantage.The drill is subjected to an audio signal that is very close or matching a harmonic frequency of the rock in question.There is even nice Youtube videos showing how two stones are flattened against each other just with loudspeakers and some wire to hold them together.The same guy posted videos showing that core drilling is possible this way too.The science behind it is still not a 100% understood though.Several universities did their own experiments here and here are some of the more modern explanations why it works despite being impossible:The vibrations cause surface fractures on contact, a bit like when your dentist cleans your teeth with this screaming thing...The contact surface of the drill actually does not do any impact damage, it simply acts as a transducer horn for the vibrations.In their tests it was even confirmed that steel tools are no good here as the material would mean you need very long tools due to the resonant nodes forming differently in denser material.Most interesting was that these aido drills can be literally of any shape you like.Not hard to create a fancy symbol shape from copper pipe - and then to vibrate it into the surface to create writing....Several ancient cultures show clear tooling marks in their carved symbol creations while others seemed to have "melted" the symbol into the rock - audio only ;)Extreme accuracy for planar faces....Be it the walls of an ancient "coffin", box or chamber, we can find a lot of them with an accuracy that even today we would fail to achieve.A solid granit like block with a perfectly square box cut out of it.Several examples exist where the accuracy couldn't be done with modern tools at all.Less than 0.5% divergence from true parallel walls and corners with a rounded inner edge with a radius of less than 2mm....Audio machining is not feasable for this one.And with literally no surface marks scientists were baffled for decades.Due to the size it would mean that for a tiny error you would have to re-do the entire surface of the affected wall.And with a surface so highly polished that even after a few tausand years it still reflects light....Samples taken showed another conundrum - glacing...Almost as if the stone was melted, pressed flat and then repeated until the entire surface was done.The temperautres required for this however are said to be impossible in ancient times, same for any tools capable of tolerating such heat without melting.So this theory was discarded for a very long time and deemed to be interpretation error - after all they had no chance to do this thausands of years ago.Later it was discovered that you actually can use two identically hard stone surfaces to grind them perfectly flat against each other.And well, using the right, mild abbresives it is even possible to give the surface a nice shine.Yes, the theory is sound but can't explain how one would machine the corners like this....The inside of a square or rectangular box can't be produced like this.Plus the problem of actually removing all the unwanted material first.In recent years the old samples taken were subject to new studies, this time in regards to the possibility that the surface was polished using heat.Surprisingly a mix of high temps and cold water allows for quite accurated destruction of the surface.Relatively easy to remove some bumps by just heating the bump and spraying a mist of cold water over it.Still not possible to create perfect corners but a start.It failed to reproduce the shine and polished surface too.Then, as a last resort you might say, lasers were used on rocks of similar or identical composition.The classic CO2 laser is a brute force tool and although accuracy would be possible you wouldn't get a good surface as it does not melt, it just cracks like glass.Femto second lasers were great here but could not provide any glacing effect either.Problem was always that the stone could not soak up any of the laser energy.It would not heat up evenly, only very locally where the laser was hitting the surface and no depth either.Then they finally got the idea to use tiny samples in a wide laser beam.A wavelength more suited to heat rather than vaporise and energy levels per mm² much, much lower than in a focussed beam.No problem to actually fully melt the sample without create any cracks or to adjust the parameters so the core still remains solid for a true glazing effect.Funny side effect of fully molten samples were their extreme surface hardness - very similar to what we find in ancient leftovers we can't explain.On bigger samples two effects were observed.Firstly that of a flat surface with the sample being rather thick, a too fast cooling down would result in the entire surface that was heated to split off.Secondly that the resulting surface was still extremely flat and even.Sadly we can not find any real evidence that ancient cultures knew about how to use high energy lasers with adjustable focus....And so far no one was able to come up with any theory that explains ALL the features of a perfect stone box with polished surfaced, especially if the surfaced is glaced.The ancient lathe....We can see the evidence of large boulders machined on some gigantic lathe through the ancient world, especially in greece and the middle east.And so far the best archeologists could come up with was that some guy sat there for days hammering the surface until a template provided a perfect fit.What they failed to explain was how this guy did this in a true rotary fashion.But the beauty of archeology is that these guys can claim what they like without being required to provide backing of their claims - not their territory OLIn several places we found leftovers of contraptions deemed to be the remains of some grinding mechanism to make flour or maby fine powder from rocks for mortar.But every mill needs a mlling stone - they were never found anywhere.And if the "mount" that remains clearly indicates it was able to be moved in the X and Y direction it would have been a very strange flour mill indeed.In the real world you would only have to move the grinding stone up and even that is mostly optional.The real clue however is how complicated it would have been to collect the flour.No one wants to use a broom to get it off the floor in a desert environment....With the wearmarks on the bottom stone it would have been impossible to produce flour, so why would it have been used for decades more if the flour was no good anyway?Again, outsiders provided vital clues by creating small models of these ancient "flour mills".The ground around them shows wear marks identical to someone running in a circle since the dawn of time.At quite a distance to the center I might add.If horses or cows were used to go in said circle with a harness you could spin quite some weight - like a round piller stone.And the bottom "pan" could be filled with fine sand or similar to act as a rudimentary bearing.The rounded bottom and indentation on the top of ancient piller stones seems suddenly more plausible to be the result of these "flour mills" - they self centered the block for machining.Push your tool(s) against the surface and make sure they keep the tension, then sit back and watch the animals do the hard work for you.Nothing fancy about it, just a vertical lathe driven by animals instead of a big motor and gear box...Won't explain though how some cultures were able to create perfectly round pillars of 20 or more meters in length in one piece....In many places we can observe impossible fitments, like a lid on a stone box that won't even require a sealant to be perfectly air tight.Or in India and other parts of the east intricate stone figurines that are hollowed out - with carved details on the inside.So not just some holes and simple cavities, more like 3D printed.Several experts of their fields, from artists over stone masons to jewlery makers tried to re-create some of these features using modern tools - they all failed badly.You simply can't use a rotating tool if you need to get around several corners to reach the surface to be machined.So how were the ancient builders and artists able to do the impossible?Some say that ancient texts and images tell us that the stone was melted away, like bee's wax.The glacing effect on these surfaces seems to confirm this but we all know you can't melt rock, especially not in a controlled way to create artwork.Rock is not ice - or is it?High frequency ultrasonic machining allows us to work with very hard rock, like cutting through butter with a hot knife.No sharp tools required either.The only problem is that you need very hard tools with a high tensile strenght and "good acoustics" - like titanium as the prefered option in the industry for ultrasonic horns and amplifiers.They did not have titanium in the ancient world and they certainly did not have power outlet to drive some ultrasonic tools.But they did know their acoustics as the "musical temple" in India shows.Hit a pillar, some plate or even statue and they all produce a very accurate frequency, despite the entire temple being carved out of one solid mountain piece...You can not create this today even if you had a clue how to carve it out of the mountain!!No way to create delicated designs that all have individual but extreme accurate musical notes when hit...Means the ancient builder must have known about the way sound travels through solid materials and how it is reflected inside them - otherwise hitting a statue would also make other things in the temple swing....Imagine that it was known how to produce the required frequencies to basically weaken the crystal structure of a rock exactly where you want it to weaken.You would have a rock-shaver of sorts.You could not use it though as it would be a huge thing.Theory is the ancient builder worked the opposite way instead.Making the entire rock or even mountain swing at a perfectly matched resonant frequency that produces a peak right where you need to work.A bit like going a dentist that no longer uses a rotating and screaming drill on your bad tooth, instead you sit in a fast rotating chair ;)Lab experiments clearly showed it is possible on a small scale with our modern technology.Tungsten-Carbide already in the ancient world?Electron microscopy claims to have found evidence of substances embedded in the machined surface that have similar properties to our modern carbides.Of course every alien theorists jumped right on it and claimed that had help from extra terrestrials.But is it really as simple as someone coming down from the stars to give some ancient builder a more than modern tool?He wouldn't have a clue how to use it, how to power it, he would need a teacher and power source.What some of these alien nut crackers missed is the simple fact that a lot of really hard materials can be created by the most basic means.Thermite is still widely used and produces quite good steel, all you need is iron oxide and aluminium powder.With sand you can even make your own silicium metal is you like on the beach....Where the knowelde for such things and more originated might remain a mystery but we have evidence the ancient guys knew quite a bit about ores and oxides, so why is it so hard to think they accidentially or intentionally tried to melt them into tools or art pieces?And then suddenly something goes up up in flames and some shiny and really metal appears when cooled down....We also know the ancient people knew about several acids and how to make them from scratch, even how to concentrate them.Not soo hard anymore to create some waste products that are of no other use to you than to be used as grinding materials and abbresives....As said, it is unclear where the knowledge or idea come from, all we know they had the know how.Where did the ancient tools go?We can still find tools in the pyramids in tiny and no longer accessible areas - at least no human fits in there anymore.We also found clear indications of iron oxides embedded in stone surfaces, predominantly in holes and such.So they might have had iron or even steel around the same time we though they only had copper and brass, big deal...Well, it kinda is...Especially Japan showed us how metallurgy is carried on as a vital tradion into todays times.From selecting the raw material for the melting, over the entire melting process, down to discarding most of the results by just looking at them - an understanding we modern people no longer have.And the swordsmith again only takes those sample where he can see already how they work together when he heats them up and hammers them.Especially the secret knowledge how to iclude impurities, remove them and what natural and most basic additions need to be added is something even modern science fails at.A bit of leafs from this plant, some dirt from that region, some burnt wood and suddenly the resulting steel won't rust anymore, is more ductile and hard at the same time...But you would need this kind of attention when you create tools.For steel you want a certain hardness, flexibility or ability to flex without breaking quickly to avoid fatigue.In most cases these steels are anything except resistant to corrosion.Most tool steels of the older days needed to be kept well oiled or they would rust away quickly.Chrome and other hard to come by elements gave our modern steel the stainless effect.From the ancinet world we know of iron statues and pillars that produce a protective rust layer of just a few microns but no further rust damage.You wouldn't be able to create this without generations of experts refining the process and observing how well or badly it works out.Would you take your expensive tools that might taken weeks to manufacture at a job site with thausands of slaves? Certainly not, you taken them home with them and slep with them under your pillow....No surprise then that we could never find any "good" tools around ancient ruins.Once a town is build today you won't find the tools of the tradies still sitting around either...Is this evidence?Nope, the failure to find high quality tools from builders does not mean they existed.Finding evidence of modern alloys or steels just in abbrasesion or tool marks is no good either.It could be from someone at a later time simply following these marks with a more modern metal tools, like a steel needle.For every evidence here there is also evidence of where the evidence can't come from.Again science clashes with archeology and history without being able to agree or compromise to provide a conclusion that is acceptable by both sides.Only materials designed and created to last throughout history will survive thausands of years of exposure to the elements.We might find real and undeniable evidence one day in lost cities on the ocean's floors, till then though....

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Ancient technologies revisited - The ark of the covenant

Not just for christianity is the ark something really special.Many of the old cultures meantion it - often in contexts that is mentioned in the bible at all.Unless it can be found all there is are theories and wild speculations.So for this round I will make it quite short and just sum up some of the highlights - in terms of technology.The ark is said to contain the two stone plates with the ten commandments.A nice story to get the godly touch into the bible context.If they are or were really in there then just as stone plates with some carvings on them.The real power of or in the ark is said to be of technological nature.Many cultures mention that the ark was responsible for impossible things or that it was involved when great disasters or great rescues happened.Like the crubling of the walls of Jericho.Horns might work for resonance effects but an earthquake at that time would be more likely.The blowing of the horns could have been the signal to activate the ark....The ark is said to have both great powers and great dangers.This seems to be confirmed by all these old stories were people that were not allowed to opened the ark.Same for those who were subjected to the arks destructive powers.If you check the old pictures and read the old reports you can help it and say "radiation poisoning!".One ancient text states it was a gift by the gods and who would need its power would have to first study it to confirm his worthyness.Anyone not accepted by the ark and attempting to open or use it would cause death and destruction.But it also states that whoever is granted all the wisdom of the ark will be able to re-create the tools of the gods and that he will be given the knowledge how to use them.Some could now go ahead and collect all relevant stuff from these old texts, pictures and myths.Then that someone you try to translate what was seen through the eyes of an "underveloped" human into terms of our modern age.Thankfully this was attempted several times already :)The theory I like best is based on the assumption that some higher beings or aliens left us the ark to guide our development.A bit like the reverse version of pandora's box.The theory is quite complex and specific in many areas with references to historic events and more.So before I reveal their conclusion I will give you an example of why so far everyone decided the ark can not fall into the wrong hands.If you would have a really nice and accurate rifle that never needs reloading or and special care and maintenance you would have an impossible thing for our times already.But someone from our time would find plenty of good and peaceful uses.Like living alone ina remote area and using it for hunting.Now imagine you would go back in time and hand such a rifle with instructions on how build it to someone like Genghis Khan.....Anyway, the conclusion from my favourite theory about the ark goes like this:It a combination of supercomputer, fusion reactor and matter converter all in one box.Science fiction fans might prefer the translation to a replicator with computer interface that allows you to create things from the 24th century - with a complete knowledge base on top...No surprise then that it was hidden their their last known owners in a location impossible to reach.Where is it?I leave finding it up to you but you will be able to use your favourite search engine to find many stories, films and documents about the location.It is claimed that when the second world war was basically done the ark was transported over the atlantic.A small island in Nova Scotia was long thought to hold the ark, the holy grail, the lost treasures of pirates and more.A more modern approach than trying to dig or drill tunnels to get to a seemlingly bottomless hole was to use cameras and sensors.Was not just for fun though as the constant flooding of the vertical shaft by up to three horizontal shafts made other things impossible.Diving was out due to the seperatin levels every few meters.The videos and sonar scans revealed nothing special, just what was already found at higher levels.Every now and then the sensors would drop out, same for the cameras.In some cases the totally failed and never worked again.More sensore were introduced to the hole.Samples taken when the water was rising in the shaft showed elevated ionisation effectscompared to the surrounding sea water.Other sensors detected high frequency RF emissions in short bursts.Nothing seemed to offer any conclusions about the causes, so samples from seperating wood structures were taken again but from the deepest level the probes could reach.Again the tests showed nothing to indicate why the water samples were so different or where the RF could be created.and just o be sure another carbon dating was performed on the samples.Older sample from much higher levels already confirmed age and materials used so it would not hurt.The tests had to be done several times with more sample pieces as the initial results were "incunclusive".They still are inconclusive!What does that mean in terms of carbon dating?It means that a sample return values that either can't be right or that two pieces taken from a bigger piece give different results.The got both for all samples taken from the deep....Some of the wood was dated to be just a few hundred years old, others from the same chunk close to 3000 years old and some section even had a negative age as if they came from the future.A tree grows naturally so no matter hwn you test a sample of it in the far future all samples will give you the same result.With no clues the scientist gave the results and test reports to a great variets of specialists in their field for consideration to explain how this carbon dating result could be possible.Several theories came back to our researchers...The dating analyses the decay rate of the C14 atom in all matter containing carbon.The decay rate however can change if the atom is or was subjected to more or less intense radiation or to high energy fields.As only low levels of radiation were detected by sensors this would exclude alpha, beta and gamma radiation.If all other options are exhausted than the impossible must be true.A higher, currently unknown or unspecifed form of energy is responsible.And depending on the operating principle and what we so far know about it in theory, a cold fusion reactor with failing or damaged shielding is a prime candidate.The conclusion of the researcher was the this hole must contain the ark and that it is indeed powered by a highly advanced type of reactor that we only manage to theorise about but we can't (yet) build one.Reasing behind is the theory that decades of tidal movement caused the lower parts of the shaft to collapse or that heavy debris made it through the flood channels during storms and hurricanes.What is the problem with this theory?Well, if the ark would really be at the bottom of this shaft than it would mean the researcher were right about who traveled over there to hide it.And that would implicate those in command of this guy actually possesed the ark - which would be unthinkable.But then again they followed and examined every story, myth and ancient text in relation to the ark and wasted enormous sums on expeditions to explore their locations.Worse still: It would mean those in charge of the ark knew they had lost despite its power - most likely due to a lack of time to understand its real functions?And if you would have the support of higher beings and still hide it in a place no one can access ever again it could mean you know "the others" shall never get to it either - unless they as well get the guidance of the gods.Isn't it then good to know in todays times that we won't be able to figure out what really is down this hole?If it is not the ark down there what is the next best theory for this hole?Considering the location and stories of those old tribes of the area there was no water in the times before time.Meaning in the far distant past it was a mountain top and the ocean was miles below it.What now seems to be some elaborate water trap might as well be the ventilation shaft of a city or industrial complex far below todays sea levels.And if some technology down there survived the times something might have failed and allowed it to be flooded.At least partially.Either way it is all just theory until someone made it to to bottom....

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Ancient technologies revisted - flying machines

With ancient "toys" and "decoration" showing someone who is NOT an archeologist things like planes, helicopters, jets and even "flying saucers" we can't help but wonder...If we see a little kid making a crude cryon drawing of a plane we have no objections at all that it IS a plane.If a little kid watched a nice pirate movie the resulting cryon ship still is a ship for us.And well, if the kid watched Star Trek a lot and draws a space ship we again agree it is just that.So why, if the same kids say they see a plane in an ancient trinket are we told it is anything BUT a plane?Take the famous planes the Maya culture presented us with so many times and that even build at a larger scale to show it is actually capable of proper flight.Archeologist and those involved with the official exploration of the past state it is an insect, some bird or just a fantasy creation.This and much more happens over and over again.What one side clearly sees as evidence that advanced technology existed long before we even had steel, the other side clearly sees it as something impossible.Artefacts showing os animals, plants and such however are always just that and everyone can agree - funny isn't?You have to wonder why a culture that can create delicate "toys" looking like the real thing would go and create something born out of fantasy.They did not do this, it a new trade of humanity called deception.What they drew, what they created what their myths talk about is all based on things they saw and experienced.It just makes no sense that they "invented" a helicopter for fun - they did not have the fantasy or brains to come with the idea of a helicopter...Then why are there no remains, no wrecks, not even spare parts to be found anywhere in the world?It is a defence argument often used by "real" experts of the field...So let's take a look at this statement and conundrum behind it.What we found in metal tools, toys, artefacts and such from ancient times is in almost all cases so badly corroded that it becomes impossible to make sense of it.A few cm of something that might have been a few meters square won't tell you what it was when it was made.On the other hand we found lots of copper and bronze tools - metals that can form a natural layer of protection that lasts for a very long time.Still even those, unless found in sealed places, are often so corroded that you need a bit of fantasy to imagine the original shape.At least the experts here won't tell us that something that looks like a hammer was actually a fork....If we try to imagine the materials that would have been used to build flying machines modern scientists all agree that modern metals must have been used as neither copper, nor brinze would work due to their weight and softness.Natural materials are out of the question as well because we never found evidence of something as simple a the Wright brothers or Hudini's plane...Like these old folks skipped balloon, gliders and all to go directly to modern jets and such...Today we use quite a few fancy materials in our flying machines.Composites made from plastic and aluminium, blow expanded titanium turbine blades, high quality steel for bearings and drive shafts...And one thing we only know too well: all these materials suffer badly from fatigue and wear and tear.We constantly need to replace worn parts to keep the thin airworthy...To back up our real archeologists and their claims or to show how all these alien nuts are wrong some tests were performed on modern alloys and plastics.It is the same process that checks how materials age in an accelearted way that helps engeneers to create better things.The best example of this technique you might have heard of is "biodegradeable" - found on many packing materials these days.Everything from sun light over moisture to bacteria and possible by products is added and "accelerated"- if the bag is gone after the set time it is deemed biodegradable.The results for our metal and composite tests however were not that conclusive and accurate.It is a different thing if instead of a few years you are supposed to simulated a few thausand years of exposure to the elements, having a jungle growing over it and all.At least they could agree that unless preserved in some sealed chamber or the perfect "soil" that turned into oxygen deprived and non acidic mud it would not take long for things to disappear fully.3000 to 5000 years only and there would be nothing of a fancy flying machine - if materials we are familiar today would have been used.Many of these cultures though are older, much older, so there wouldn't a realistic chance to find any "advanced" technology anywhere.But in hind sight of recent finding on the sea bed another round of this time just theortical agin tests were performed.If left undisturbed a flying machine, like a sunken cargo ship would start to form a reef in shallow waters and be overgrown by coral, sediments and more.On the hand, if left in deep enough water only corrosion by chemical means would be an issue and the deeper you go the better everything is preserved.For such a case it was estimated that identifiable remains could still be found up to 10.000 years later.Our biggest problem is to go down into the deep oceans to explore all those regions that were dry land before our sea levels started to rise.Why is this part of archeology so controversial and gets basically no funding at all?Considering the billions we waste on military and space programs it actually makes no sense.Same for the refusal to fully admit that ruins uner the sea that are over 40.000 years old can only mean we had a thriving human civilisation long before we are supposed to have been cave dwelling primitives.It is almost entirely up to a few private investors to cough up a few bucks to allow the exploration of the deep sea.And if you exclude minerals, vulcanic stuff and finding new bacteria and animals living down there you get next to nothing.Openly admitting that we were flying around like we drive our cars today at times when we did not even know steel is just too outragous.Would be like this dude a few hundred years ago trying to convince the world that earth rotates around the sun and not the other way around...We all know how that ended.Just imgine this for a moment:You invent and create something that you know is totally new, totally awesome and you wasted years of your life to finally finnish it and make it work.You would be proud as.And rightfully so!But then comes some weird dude and tells you "Nice, quite crude and badly designed but a good start."You would be furious whether you like to admit it or not - you just got insulted for your life's work...And to top it all up he comes along a few days to show you how he did it properly long before you even made your first technical drawings...Would be massive blow to your confidence and you would start to question a lot of things...Now imagine it would not just be you and what you invented and acomplished but in fact literally everything humankid ever invented and thought to be the best of everything....In a sick sense it is actually logical to prevent this moment of enlightenment to ever hit humanity.We can look at ancient artefacts, drawings and even entiry stories hammered in stone (or vibrated into it to be precise).We can see the reality but chose to turn a blind eye on it.What is even funny if you think about it is what sort of delays this refusal caused when it came to translation ancient writing.Not really that easy to create a totally different context just to avoid including the word "plane" or "space suit" for example.Entire sections of ancient texts still have "exclusion zones" for this very reason.Unoffical prove is out there that we in fact not only found ancient crafts but that we also managed to re-create at least what we could understand.But then again the same would be true if we trust our alien theorists.Almost every single day people report some sort of UFO in the skies, some even claim to have seen them coming out of lakes and the ocean.99% of these sightings are anything but alien craft.But it seems easier to post a video stating UFO's flying over.... Why bother to check if some rocket test, launch or similar was done around the time in this area?Why bother to check if a satellite was turned off for a controlled destruction in the atmosphere?And none of these reports are taken down or corrected with the right info when the truth comes out - you have to search the comments for it...In recent years though it seem the entire approach to keeping certain secrets secret has changed.Even NASA made old videos and images available to the general public showing "controversial" optical "artefacts".Some former astronauts went as far are providing images and videos they took with their own cameras and added what they thought about it at the time and till today.The US even finally openly admitted to have been doing "UFO research" for decades.Research in this context however means exploring or trying to, what these weird things might be that seem to follow and watch us everywhere.A bit shy of admitting they examined some of these flying objects but a complete reversal of the statements and approach we we told for so long.And then there is all this "new" technology we implement now, stealth technology, trust vector control, A.I. supported flight controls, three dimensional and real time computer simulations of the battlefield - the "soldier" could be on a different continent when his tank got hit by an RPG...Some claim the advances of these technologies were just logical and a result of theoretical research come to life once we had the tech and materials for it.These official claims however can also be read like this:Theoretical research includes reverse engineering and developing the required technology and materials is a logical step to re-create the reverse engineered object....Isn't it funny in this context that basically ALL these fance "inventions" have a trace that ends in a secret labs and projects?Only once NASA or the Militara was done with it and happy outside companies and people got access to parts of it.And this pratice is still happening every single day.Another, for some, strong hint is the rejuventation of the space race.But for this conundrum I will do another episode ;)

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Ancient technologies revisted - The space race

Back in the glory days of science we had the US, China and Russia competing and getting "out there" first.After WW2 finally ended we had the time and money to waste on humanity greatest challenge - getting a man safely onto the moon and back.The German space program had the advantage of a head start but Russia was not far behind.To show the world they mean business we got Sputnik.A tiny aluminium ball with a crappy battery emitting a "beep" from orbit.Nothing to be proud of if you actually think about it.However, it was a huge deal back then and a blow to the western world.The communists were faster...China was more modest and well, less successful at that time but it did not stop them.With Russia already announcing to get some animals up ther next the mighty US had to take a few shortcuts.It was no longer a race to get a human up there safely, it was only a race to somehow managed to get a man on the moon and back.The calculator your kid uses at school is more powerful than the "compters" used in the carfts for the Apollo program.Back then though it was top notch tech and deemed reliable....We already knew about the Van Allen belt and its deadly radiation levels.So you would think someone would have included this danger into the design...Assumption made in...It was assumed that the limited exposure time and some rudimentary "shielding" would be sufficient to protec the astronaut.Thankfully most of these assumtions turned out to be correct AFTER men made it through there in their tin cans.The step to send up a rocket with fancy equippment to do proper measurements and collect data about required shield material was simply skipped.A few weather balloon were tried though...Long story short, the race was over when the world listened to the famous words "A smal step for a man,but a giant leap for mankind."Russia continued for a while but losing the race meant those in charge decided it is no longer worth wasting money on.Shortly after the collapse followed in Russia.Why would the Russians give up so easy and why did China seemingly pull out of the race as well?Despite being "enemies" the old claim and goal was still valid - or was it?There was always that dream to go further out there once we made it to the moon.Build habitats on the moon so we can build ships and mine ressources.And for a while this dream was kept alive by the US.We went up there a few times, got complacent and even the public in theend failed to get hooked on the TV screen.Going to the moon and making it back alive was turning into a routine, nothing special anymore.Not even moon rocks could revive the public interest.It was costly as well....Officially the moon program ended for a long list of plausible reasons.What is striking though is that it ended rather aprupt and without warning so to say.We had rockets fully assembled, waiting to be used, we had space capsules and long lists of experiments tobe performed, we even included fancy equipment like a soloar powered transmitter supposed to constantly send seismic data and more back to earth.All this stuff never god used, was disamantled, deemed to be too expensive.Hold on a second here now....First millions are wasted to build a fancy rocket, more money is wasted to build new space capsules and landing equipment and then even more money is wasted on stff to get up there.It is then only logical to pull the plug without using any of it.....NASA abandoned projects before, including fully functional machines but they never wasted them like this.Some theorists claim the race to the moon was not about exploring the moon for our use once we actually made it up there.Their claim is that we found things that scared the US enough to never go up there again.These theorists got laughed at for decades, yes decades as their claims based on isider info are as old as the space race itself.Occupation is a word that you can use in many ways.Like occupying a land that you don't own but declare it yours anyways bacuase you are more powerful, more advanced than those you found on "your new land".Or like in deviding territories on a continent declared to be owned by no one - the Antartis.Officially this icy continent is free for everyone and every nation - the truth is far from it though.Same is true for our moon.It is devided and subdived to cater for eveyone making a claim.And to make a claim is simple; You go up there and leave something behind, then you state how much of the area you declare your so you can occupy and use it.Funny thing is that like in Antartica every is very strict and stays far away from the other fractions....The race is on again!!!For some it was a sudden announcement when we got to hear the US is planning and financing moon missions again.For others though it was a very predictable move.More and more private companies reach the point where they can afford to send someone to the moon at their cost without the need for taxpayer money.Commercial space flight is said to only be a few years away, mabe even sooner if SpaceX continues as planned.And "right on time" picures and videos are officially released by NASA to actually make it very plausible and almost undeniable that something or someone else it already out there.Including videos that seem to show creature living in the dead vacuum of space.But why not just relax and sit back like they did with commercial space flight?Give someone a few million and technical guidance but don't waste real money on it...Well, you can't really enforce to stay in control of everything, especially when it comes to the moon, if it is not your program.Once the testing is done your pilots are out, your crews are out and a private company is in control...So what is it on the moon the US is so desperate to get first hand experience on?The first few moon missions were mostly a prove of concept, later NASA used rovers to explore the areas around the landing sites, installed mirros to perform laser measurements from earth...The took sample, drilled into the ground and every now and then saw flying objects flying past, watching them.Like the Foo Fighters during WW2 they were like small spheres and extremely quick.Nothing to worry though as NASA knew about them for a long time, harmless little things....The story got a twist when the landing site for one mission had to abandoned.The astronaut appearently reported they were being "bullied" by Foo fighters and will try to land on the beta landing coordinates.It was enough to justify to check if there might e someone or something on the moon already.After all it could be unwise to do the same as what was done when Amrica was "found" by Columbus...And so some sesmic equippment was transported up there.Orginal intent was get seismic data from small metorites hitting the moon to determin the risk factor.Dropping the launch stage back onto the moon was meant as a test for the equipment and it dropped relatively close to the seismograph.What was observed came as a shock to those analysing the data - the damn thing is faulty!So during the next mission the data was checked again, with the same result.But it was also finally confirmed the results are correct as a second device gave the exact same seismic readings.What happened??Whenever something big and heavy dropped back onto the moon it started ringing like a bell for hours....And although never openly admitted, these finding actually pulled the plug on the moon program.Unofficially and if you trust the clue we got from former astronauts the bullying intensified with every mission.Some went as far as saying they did not feel welcome up there - go figure...NASA first tried to just cover it all up.A few years later they got more serious and tried to come up with plasusible explanations once it was claer evidence from these seismic reading somehow leaked out into the public.We got presented everything from the moon being made from some granite like and very hard rock.Nicely explains the ringing but not why it is did not crumble to dust from all the meteorites hitting it.We also got the explanation that the moon only has a very tough outer shell, possibly formed by the impact of the meteorites.And the list went on and on...Finally some outsiders took a decent look on the data, did good calculations and computer simulations basd on the fact that the moon for whatever reasson has no rotation as it should have.Their findings clearly state the moon is a mostly hollow sphere with much more mass on the side facing us.Based on the frequency and amplitude recrded during these events the sphere HAS TO BE made out of some high strenght metal.NASA made it a priority to ridicule this theory and over the years more and more reputable scientists jumped in as well.No matter what though they all failed to provide real evidence that the hollow moon theory is flawed - the data just speaks the truth.At least it was accomplished that the theory was forgotten and everyone could move on.Until more NASA evidence was leaked to outsiders.During one mission it was attempted to drill into the center of a crater and the results were the same as claimed during probe explorations done recently by china - first a thin layer of compressed rock, then metal, then nothing....Today you will find hollow moon data on official NASA servers available to everyone....And it all became available to be found right after it was declared "We are going back up there again!"The thing the press overlloked when this statement was made was what followed after "We have to"....Just think about it for while....NASA delevoped all sorts of prototypes and wasted billions to create fancy space crafts and drive systems.But start the next race to the moon once more with old and conventional rockets....Not because we are unable to come up with alternative lauch methods, we already developed them and computer simulations show us they would work perfectly at a fraction of the costs for a big rocket.Not because there wouldn't be money for alternatives either.Only because we suddenly no longer have the time to build and ready the alternatives ;)Almost 80 years with no interest, no funding, no plans.Then, within less then 3 months of work and decision making the race is on and more important than ever - WHY???We wanted to be able to fly like the birds since the dawn of time.We did it eventually.We wanted to fly faster and higher and we again did just that.We never stopped, we alway came up with new ways to make us fly and do safer than ever before.We did the same for the space race for a short while only.We settled for having a fancy space station close to home instead...Our urge to reach the stars is coded into our genes, we just need to somehow get closer and closer to them.But every time we get close to fullfilling this dream we pull the plug.If we can build and maintain a space station in orbit how hard would it be to assemble a space craft in orbit?According to those who planned and often protyped theise toys no big deal at all as it was already integrated into the design.We could have a little fleet of crafts up there already using the space stion as a "home base" when required and fueling up from the rich Helium3 deposites the moon is claimed to have.We did not do any of it, we entirely stopped the concept, the planning - again I aks you why....Once you figured out what really is so important about our moon you know why the space race seems to have stopped with the end of the Apollo program. You also figure out why we now have to go back up there.What you won't find out (yet) is what is really up there and how it got there.

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Ancient technologies revisited - forced to forget!

Before you get exited: it is not about aliens taking you up for a medical....We know that ancient civilisations had knowledge that we can't explain, skills we can't understand, not explain.Back then it was gods, people from the sky that are claimed in ancient texts to have done almost all you can think of and then some to and with humankind.Be it bad, be it good, be it war and destruction.Over time we learned that it is almost impossible to wipe out humanity as a whole.And even if you would try we are scattered far and wide, there is no country with a purley indigenous population anymore.Same for knowledge, we use books, paper, stone sheets and now even computer, crystals and sticky tape to record data in digital form to last "forever".But what happened to our ancient old knowledge, to people like Merlin and all those alien "hybrids", like Lesus and all these starchild from virgins claimed to have had sex with a god?We found 6-8" tall skelletons in a cave - with long read hair.They are not on public display so the native amercian people of the region would not get offended.We found "hoaxes" of human hybrid skelletons during the hype and hight of the Aegypt excavation decades.No matter where these not that human remains were found we also find stories about them from the local tribes or stories from the past - never any kind and supportive ones...Almost as if humans started to see their gods and their offsprings as something to fear and to exterminated.Like you would try when they keep causing your pain and suffering for no reason you understand.Some gods are claimed to have left and are said to return ONE day.Other gods were killed or destroyed by other gods, some even by us humans.But knowledge should not just disappear if it is of use to you no matter how you got this knowledge...Means some people or even entire cultures must have survived - nothing becomes more urgent than to preserve your history once there is only a few left...IMHO the turning point came when we started to eliminate gods as creators or bringers of destructions and started to created religions around them.Until then you might have had a chance to get away with thinking your way and doing things the way you like...Real fear, real knowledge, real understanding suddenly became a thing reserved for the highest representatives of their religion.What they told us humble followers was "the word of god".And we accepted this blindly because after: These guys claimed to have been or still be in contact with the wise old man...We started to worship what we once feared most, in some relions it even made real progress impossible for hundreds of years.We started to forget, to think freely, to make our own conclusions.And we started to get less and less of the knowledge "those in charge" did not feel willing to share or to provide.IMPOSSIBLE!! You say, now...Let me give you a lame man's example:Take enough people to have a chance for a more or less healthy gene pool.Let them ake what they consider to be essential to make for a yew on a remote island that provides water and food but no creature comforts like electricity or oue internet - LOST from the world we know.How many generations would it take until they forget their useless phones, what their anecstors once called the world wide web?How long until the tools they took with them are blunt and useless with no way or knowledge to make new ones?How long until the degrade to native ilanders with their own culture, their own stories about how they came to be?How long until they forgot about us and what we call normal is something they could not even dream about?20 generations, 50?....Science and technolgy stopped for the better part under religious control.Even in Muslim cultures we say how wars and natural disasters changed the focus from learning and kowledge to blind faith or an interpretation of it.Asian cultures are not far behind either, their gods are long forgotten, their religions turned into a shadow of what living with the gods would have been and technological advancements started to seperate the cultures even further.Today most religions, even the Pope himself is rather open about intelligent life in the universe...Slowly but relentlessly science debunked more and more about what makes a religion work.Some even say we only developed science to claw back what we know deep down was always there for the taking.But either way the damage was long done.The few that remained were unable to spread their knowledge, if you ignore certain "cults and secret organisations" that don't exist, or so we shall think.The big question is: Why did we need religion and trusted/still trust it blindly?It replaced our gods and allowed for a redirection of godly powers.With the god(s) seemingly gone for good for whatever reasons, there was a vacuum that needed to be filled.And what might have started once with justa hand full of people turned into something that everyone needed - if in doubt by learning it through brute force from those who already trusted in gods word.Religion might have lost it's direct influence on those leading our world offcially but they never stopped influencing where they can...For many people starting to find trust and comfort or just understanding in a reliong it does not start by actually studying it, not even by reading about it.The feel lost, hurt, abused, whatever - and they find someone willing to listen, to agree to how hard life can be, to offer a way out....Thing about this approach is that it means nothing but a change in lifestyle, finding some purpose that was not there before, filling a gap.And if it helped for just that, in that moment in time you have it easy to create "a follower".Following is a term often used throughout almost all religions we have.Like Lemmings without thinking or questioning...Letting someone else do the thinking, do what is told and expected...If you do and obey you will enter the heavly kindgom, roam the evergreen fields, fly to the moon, whatever promise a religion makes.Fail and you are threatend with the destruction of your soul, punishment for eternity, burning and hell and much more variations of a violent and painful ending.Fear is created to make people stay in line, even if it is just old stories in a book that have been changed more than once...God helped when you needed him so of course he will punish you the same way he helped you...And if he punishes you for no good reason at all, even if you are his greatest follower than you blindly trust it was his will and that it all has a reason.You don't need to understand it, just stay a follower and trust all will be good, even if you die painful weeks later from cancer.At least you won't brun in hell no matter how hard the journey up was....Religion almost always tried really hard to eliminate all real knowledge, forcefully.Be honest: In the name of which god was America "found"?If "god" created earth, then how come those knowing all about him, his creation, his will had absolutely no clue about america, the antarctic or even Australia? ;)If god really outdone himself with us in just seven biblical days, then why were his own words interpreted and written down again and again similar to "WE created you in OUR image?"Whenever god spoke to one of his followers directly it was "ME", "MY WILL", "MY LAW"...Either he suffered badly from a personality disorder or he was nothing special after all, just one "god" in a group of few or many...If modern humans think or talk about the Jewish genocide then the only word that pops up start with a N and ends with an I....But did you know that almost of all Europe was in the strong hands of the Catholic Church since the dark ages?And who was it how first declared that all Jews need to be made disappear, be driven out, be killed?It were those who blamed the Jews for the death of Jesus, the child airtifical insamination....Yes, that weird guy guy that made bread appear out of thin air and turned water into wine...With the sandals and long hair ;)Jews were hated throughout Europe since we had kings over there that tursted in god and were crowed by a church rep.ALL high ranking Nazies were church goers before, during and most even after the war...There are other reasons I already discussed in other parts of this series that made the Jews the hate subject of Germany, but it was always "god's word" they got on Sunday morning that reminded them of the real problem out there....German documents from that time, including letters to and from family members provided a rather clear image on the influence the church had on Nazi Germany.But we were made to forget this little part of history as since the discovery of armerica and striking gold, literally, the church turned into a goo and helpful organisation, or so we thought.In other religions we find the same similarities, the same hate for "non-believers", even for those with just a slightly different option on how to interpret gods word.Muslims fight their brothers and neighbours for reason we can't even understand.And we will never fully understand why real and good muslim will never accept a non muslim as equal.Same way we fail to understand dictatorships or China.If most religions seems to make us want to forget what they don't like, and dictate what we can or can't do, can or can't eat, then why???And I don't mean gods will or word here or that is written somewhere.The religion comes from a specific god, this god once had specific features, characteristics, a personality.Like Loki always playing games and tricks...Is it really just a weird, maybe even wrong interpretaion that keeps us seperated and fighting?Back in ancient times we still fought in the name of the gods AFTER hearing it as their will directly.Later we fought in their name bacause SOMEONE said so...And more than once, almost always we started these religious wars and "forced educations to trust in the right god" only because these people did not know the god these anrgy people speak about....Is it not more likely that religion transfered the hate the gods had against each other to contiue fighting those still trusting in their own god?And wouldn't that for obvious reasons have to include the knowledge about hose other gods and what they left behind in true knowledge??Is science and technology the devil or the rescue?Weather you like it or not, most of the things we claim to have invented must have been known and used long before we invented the wheel.And still today the "invention" of this weird round and flat thing that makes life so easy is said to be the biggest thing since learning how to make fire.Other claim it was how we learned to make a spear and later bow and arrow as it allowed us to hunt from a distance, to kill without being seen, to become the dominant predator.Either way, science was involved and born.It kept providing us wonder after wonder, without the need for a religion to "explain" things in a way we still fail to understand.Today we know the gene that allowed us to develop a brain capable of real thinking, understanding, making conclusions.Problem is that natural or even accidential evolution of this gene would have taken more than 20 times longer than what it did....And already back then we had these gods and people from the stars popping up all the way back to the cave men and nomadic tribes...What if science is no accident as the books always say?What if it was "planned" in our genes?All religions seem to agree that some god created us, one way or another.Only the stories of some or remaining tribes from the past tell from the time before time.These stories of the creation of the universe are seen as myths, too old, too changed to have any real meaning left.Yet some of them were proven by science in recent years....Science was not a think for them, the gods were just visitors, creators, the wars came much, much later.If science is already in our genes and religion tries to prevent us from utilising it, what might we find?We need to get to the moon, we need to get to Mars, we need to "get out there"....Seemingly since the dawn of time, and so our drive gave a focus to develop what we need to get there, no matter how long it takes or hard it might be.With religion at the helm we would still think Earth is the center of the known universe and would't even dare to build a rocket because we would get to close to the gods, or fall or this flat earth...Some say the answer is in our genes, literally.With all the junk in our genes that neither evolution, nor mutation can explain we wonder what this huge databank might reveal once we cracked the encryption or learned how to read it directly.To give you an idea of the amount of "junk" we carry in us:You could pack all written knowledge of humanity into our helix of human DNA with plenty of room to spare!One of the factors that makes finding the right genes for a problem so hard...You just can't see the forest with so many trees blocking your view.... If you could jus rise up to see the whole forest from above - then you might see in which pattern the pine plantage was arranged and where you get to the next road....We won't know what the real answer is as we don't even understand the extend of the qeustion yet.And no, this time the answer is not 42 ;)So what we might find one we got far away enough from "mother" earth or what we really learn once we decode our DNA is up to your imagination.All that is claer is that we need science to get there...Is religion then then solution or the problem?The way I see it with some religions it is a bit of both, depending on where you stand.If it a preperation for the return of whatever god, or a way to make sure said god(s) see us as the best possible image of their creation, then what really happens if they do come back?We always hear and read that they come back one day.It is a fact, a base of the religion.It is a thing to look forward to.Not so much if we see some of texts from a more independent viewpiont.Like by a more timeline like approach without judging any religion directly:The gods create the universe as we knew it - whatever we could see from our cave so to say.Then they created the earth, everthing else and last but certainly not least us.We might give the first one the benefit of doubt based on that we could not actually know what happened before we existed and when we were create we did not even know how to form a single word....The second however clearly shows that since we exist we know that someone else or something else created us.Why didn't we do the most logical thing?I created fire, I must be god now and you all must worship me?Instead we shared this knowledge, protected it and thanked the gods for letting us figure it out.Or they might have accidentially shown some cave man one day ;)The god disappeared and much later came back to guide many of their creations, give them knowledge, build things.The more of us there were the more gods seemed to appear.Suddenly it was no longer just about what they do for us, it was wars between gods, artificial insaminations, genetic experiments, sex, creating hybrids, not just between gods and humans but also between humans and animals.Intrie civilisations disappeared or were destroyed by these gods.More than once the wipe humanity out almost completely, giving us floods, plagues, droughts and more....Every time this happened one culture or a new one flourished, in some case humanity (of that area) got a full reset.And always this new and improved, more god following human got guidance by the god(s) for some time to come, even if "visits" were sporadic.For many of these events we find texts, cave carvings and ancient old mythy from our tribes confirming that some of these events were in fact global - with different gods involved...Humanity as we know it started to evolve, started thinking in more and more complex ways, explored the world around and nature.We developed culture, our first real settlements....The gods started to divide the world by time and place(s).Having some fun here, getting bored and moving on.Getting really good with the little humans and some other god gets angry.And rather suddenly they disappeared again.....Religion and myth replaced the gods that once were real....If religion seems to be neither good, nor bad, then what is it preparing us for?Throughout time the god aooeared to us while they were around for various reasons.Be it fun, be it guidance, be it their own wars.But in ALL cases when they came back after a long time of absence they only had very few resons to do so.1. To check on our progress and leave after being being pleased.2. To bring us wisdom and guidance.3. To bring us destruction and suffering.Some say they never stopped watchin otherwise we would not have UFO's.Would mean they always knew exactly what we were up to and how we were doing.No one I could find can provide prove a god came here to share his wisdom and guidance - at least not in person.That only leaves us option three......Some "believers" already claim for years the end is coming and year after year their claims seem to become more valid.We go from one disaster into the next we abuse nature where we can and we see one plague after the other, now global and still going strong...According to ancient texts the return or judgement day is more than overdue.And considering that every time we "came to close to the gods", we got punished I wonder how these guys feel about us doing what we do and how we do it.If the sinners go to "hell" and the followers to "heaven" - where does it leave those between, the grey area?I guess it just depends on which gods drops down here first....Whether we like it or not, we just can't shake the feeling off that we are not alone out there, and even less can we shake off that feeling that religion started from fear and suffering,,,,Even the selected few had to suffer for generations in most religions...Read up in the texts of your religion or if you have none, pick one.Check how we were judged and how we got punished, check for the signs.If all of it is a bit true here and there, to not say all of it might, then how would would our religious leaders, explain, judge or interpret the asteriod Apophis, or 99942?Now known simply as 2004MN4...It arrives on 13/04/2029 for the first time, very close to earth and visible fore quite a while like back when Jesus was born.A few funny coincidences about this small and harmless enocunter:Same time seven yearslater it will be back, early calculations predicted the exact same day and only a few hours of difference.Now predicitions state it is a bit unclear due to certain effects when getting close to earth....Still: SEVEN years.If you like ancient Aegypt you already wonder how it got the initial name Apophis - go ahead and read up who gave this name and why, you will like the story behind it!And if you like the god himself you might find it a bit odd that a thing that was initially thought to be able to destroy most of our world by impact is name after this guy....Not so much though if you know a bit more about ancient Aegypts myths and legends.The coincidences however do not end just here, the number 99942 is a "random" number and every found object out there gets one.I like all sorts of nummber games....999 - the sign of the devil, the sign of destruction.There isn't really that much in myths,legends and religions giving these three numbers as they are a good meaning.A lot of "magic tricks" use number tricks.Like simplifying a big number into something with a single diget to have a base to "guess" you age...A bit like this: 9 + 9 + 9 + 4 + 2 = 333 + 3 = 6....The thing about this specific way of breaking down number is used since anient times for predictions, astrology and more.Let's just say it is just for so long and for so many reason because it has some actual meaning and usage.Apophis turns back to something religious, magical numbers....999 is already the devil's mark. 33 in astrological terms is a "spiritual rythm", even calendars with a base of 33 years are still trusted and used, some even give 33 a mythical character as it seems to follow us everywhere.And the six can be found as both positive and negative. mostly badly though.Some theories now use these numbers and say it clearly indicates in the classification already that the thing will return - long before anything was calculated - it had to be this way...The last coincidence is how these numbers related to Tesla's triangle of power.Not to mention how they are used and interpreted in our religions.9 is the beginning and the end, zero or 0 is both the sum, the next "digit" and nothing.3 and 6 are two kinds of energy that are equal and opposite but still not the same.9 in this triangle is both the sum of 3 and 9 and what come our if you subract one from the other.Some claim that ancient gods, predictable numbers and relations to Tesla all in one single object can't be random coincidence.Especially not if you see the number "blocks" in relations to Tesla's circle of math.5 numbers, the nine 3 times....4+2 equals 6.In his circle you can create "lines" with these numbers that intersect on the 7, no matter which way you try.And did you check the date? ;)1+3+4+2+0+2+9= 21 2+1=31+3+4+2+0+3+6= 19 1+9=10 1+0=1Some use these number games to state in 2029 we will be judged, in 2036 we will be "reset" or advance to the next level.Be it coincidence, be it a joke of the universe - it is still interesting how very old "techniques" that were trusted by our ancestors and that still find followers all end up in doomsday, creation or both when you start playin with 99942....And the above are only a few examples....I leave it up to you to decide how, if at all, this relates to going back to the moon and estabilishing a "colony" up there.Or why it is planned to do even more and go furthe BEFORE 2035.... ;)Isn't it comforting to know that all is just mind games, theories with no base and coincidenes?Or is it?....

Topic by Downunder35m  

How do I build a Baghdad Battery?

Baghdad's Battery is a controversial source of light that some say provided lighting in tombs, pyramids, etc. for the drawings, hieroglyphics,etc. that otherwise would not have light because of the low oxygen level in those areas. 

Question by kevis45    |  last reply

who here plays the ocarina?

I play the ocarina. i got my very first one awhile back from my aunt alicia. it was from peru, and it had 8 holes. but 1 unfaithful day, as i was helping my sister clean our room, IT HAPPENED. the poor thing was in the floor under a pillow, and i stepped on it and *sniffs* it shattered! so my sister thankfully gave me hers. it's been about 4 years since that happened and now i have one made of plastic, and it has 10 holes, and it's a sweet potato ocarina.

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We should have known the Swiss were just copying...

Thanks to the great folks at MAKE for letting me stumble across this! The Fitzwilliam Museum at Cambridge has a 2300 year old Roman multitool, with eating utensils, picks, and the same sort of unidentifiable weirdities the Swiss are famous for.

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Ancient technologies revisited - being one with nature

Talking about aliens, gods, higher beings and such is almost unavoidable when it come to examples of technology from a time when did not even have the brains to think in the regions required.But we need to find some substitute for the word god and gods.The ancient text provide us with "people from the sky" or "people from the stars".With our modern brains and understanding of advanced technologies we have to think about astronauts and visitors from other planets.It is just the way our brains are wired now.Ancient technology however also includes the most basic technologies and techniques that we either don't know or that got lost through time.I would like to give some examples that show that with a bit of research outside "aliens" people can come up with amasing discoveries.You can find ancient stone walls that look like their individual blocks were cut with a gigantic laser scalpel and then finished with a nice soft rounding.And those "bumps" found on only some of these blocks are said by our archeologists to have been used to place them - but of course they can't provide and answer how they were placed.Experts in their fields analysed the rock and found no evidence of the heat a laser would create.Although they did not consider fempto second lasers...And they also discarded the theory the ancient people used some big bags and "cement" that turned into rock - it is natural rock...However they found several and quick quick ways to dissolve and soften the rock.All with "ingredients" naturally occuring in the area.Like an acedic mud mix that would dissolve the calcium in the rock and even some more aggressive solutions working much quicker.Tests performed indicate it would only take about two weeks to make blocks covered in this slurry to move together with an airtight fit.Once in contact there is no slurry left on the surface and once the fit and surface fiish is satisfactory you just wash the remains off with water...A lot of ancient ruins or even the pyramids show extreme accuracy.Archeologists came with up with a lot of horse manure but never with anything explaining how the ancient builder were able to plan these structures.After all you can just made a crude drawing and get in some case millimeter precision.Especially measuring the height of a big structure was said to be impossible for these simple folks, so they must have had gods or aliens to guide them.Maybe they really provided some home schooling but in reality the task is not that hard.Imagine you would the big pyrmids in Aegypt.You would be god like and only the pharao would be above you.No wonder then that you knew once finished you would find your final resting place inside...Being the smart kid you are you of course properly marked where the center would be and in which direction the sides would face....And you would not just "know" that, you would have a detailed plan to construct it and the required more or less permanent markers on the ground.Like in todays times you would start with the right foundations.So, no matter what you would always have very accurate refence points on the ground through the build process.Means you can quite easy measure the distance from any given point on the ground to where the center of your foundations would be.If you then place someone on the top and center of your current progress you can also measure the distance to that point with the same accuracy.Wives you triangle with a 90° angle....I know you know say I would still need a half decent calculator to use thelengths and angle to come with the height - but do I?a² + b² = c² Sounds familiar from your ancient days in school? ;)You have c and one of the other two, so for example c² - b² would give you a²And my grandfather told me stories about his apprenticship where he used tables ans slide rulers to do math like this.So why wouldn't these ancient builders know these things that are just based on properly understand a circle? ;)Advanced machining skills....Many example on how people in ancient times might have cut through several meters granite exist.Be it ropes with a sand slurry or using discardable wooden slates with heavy weights on them with such a slurry.But when it comes to drilling long and perfect holes the best thing people seem to come up with is again aliens and their advanced tech.You could drill through granite by other means though and still get really nice drill marks....For example by acoustic vibration - a thing te ancient aegypts were good at.Some people liked to demonstrate how acoustic frequency can do impossible things.The measured the resonant frequency of a granit block.In a way that they could create node where the hole was supposed to start.Means you experiment with the transducer until you get a max response at the desired location.Like magic a copper pipe with a supporting slurry and slow rotation started to "drill" into the block.At some point and due to the change of shape and loss of material the node was no longer strong enough for the effect and the frequency had to be adjusted, then the pipe kept drilling a bit further.The resulting marks on the walls of that hole almost perfectly matched the marks of ancient holes, including those on the leftover core bits.If you now say the ancient eagypts had no means to create powerful enough transducer then please check the collecting of oversized "tuning forks" several of our museums have.Some even with strings still attached between the two short ends, some models where several forks are tied together with these very strong cords.Strong after hundreds of years...Many were tested and all had very specific and accurace frequencies with the long end of the pitch fork being at the perfect length for a mac amplitude.Check how ultrasonic horn work for inducers ;)I could continue with many more examples but I think you got the idea here.Not everything we can't explain has to be alien of some highly advanced technology, often it is so dead simple that we just would never consider to look in this direction.A trout appears to be able to be basically motionless in a very fast flowing river.You can see they are able to "rest" as well as their breathing is very slow - no signs of movement, no energy use, how do they do this?A trout does not swim through the water, the water pulls it.Only if the water is not moving or is not moving right towards the trout it has to swim.Clearly indicated when you check show fast they have move to swim down the fast river.They should be able to just float down and only move to keep their heading....In reality however the water constantly tries to turn them around - like this nice directional arrow on your weather station on the roof...A resting fish in a river will always directly face the current and you will never really see them seeking a calm region behind some big rock or such.Put a trout in a tank with no current you will have a hard time seeing it standing still in it....Vortexes, harmonics and geometry are nature.Nature does not like straight lines or shortcuts and certainly has no clue about higher math.Still it is only higher math and computer simulations that allow us to understand a lot of things nature does by design.Maybe our ancient cousins did not get any technological help at all from higher beings.Maybe they were just shown how to use nature and the energies it provides.We are bound to science and math.With that we try to explore and understand things we can only theorise about.If in doubt with particle accelerators....Is there a difference to what we call science and math today to what was the purpose or religion only a few hundred years ago?We try to explain and utilise things for integration that we actually have no real clue about ;)What if the approach is the wrong one?Try to calculat how the next layer of a shell from a snail would look like, how thick it needs to be.You evening would be filled while the snail does not even have enough brain cells to comprehend your problem with it.If math would be based on a true and unbisaed observation of nature and the universe we would have the universal language the bible states we once had ....Our math has fundamental flaws otherwise we would have no problem at all to calculate the vortex structure and behavior of a tornado or water vortex.And of course we would not need a claculator to get from the radius of a circle to its circumfence - we would know as naturally as we know know that 2 times 3 equals 6.It will be subject of another part of this series ;)

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Ancient technologies revisited - Ley Lines and Magic

Ley lines are a pure mythical thing, they do not exist, they do nothing.That is what science tells us....Myths and legends however always have a tiny bit of truth and honesty in them...No wonder then that we have detailed maps of these Ley Lines available, even your favourite search engine can find then for you.Many cities were build not just along these lines but directly onlo crossings or NODES of this invisble and non-existing grid.Quite an awful lot of them have names that got translated into more modern languages but never actually changed their original meaning.In almost all cases a reference to the stars or one particualr one or some constallation.Science and mainstream history says it is coincidence....No matter where you look in ancient texts the powerful cities were always located on the most powerful parts of the Ley Line grid.And funny enough it only took us a few hundred years to come with enough science to actually confirm that these lines actually DO EXIST.But finally admitting they are real because we can measure something is slightly different in these locations does not help to bring magic back into our world.Or did the magic actually never really leave?We hear about wonders that are impossible, like people being healed from all sorts of uncurable stuff by visiting certain places that are claimed to have healing powers.Is it really a surprise that almost all of the known places we have access to are located on a Ley Line node?The modern human can't except magic.In ancient times religion took care of magic, sometimes with brute force.Later science made sure that magic is forgotten and turned into just a myth.Now the base of magic is suddenly included in science, so the only logical conclusion must be that magic is back!But where is it?If I use a fancy looking "stick" to point at a truck and make it float through the air it would not a big deal."Oh look, what a great magician he is!" and the crowd applause pleases me...They wouldn't care how the trick worked, they just know it was some sort of trickery.And if the trick indeed would be real then some scientist would jump in to for an autopsy of my body and whatever I had with me....But if I would have done something similar 30.000 years ago I would have been declared a god....Humans always seek to find an explanation for things we fail to understand.And the more we study ancient texts with our modern eyes wide open we more similarities we find.The first archeologists to see and study Maya relics had no clue about planes, so obviously they interpreted models of them as something entirely different.This and many other misconceptions were carried on throughout time till today.Those who dare to look again and question what we "know" about ancient cultures for so long are silenced....Most end up to be labeled "Alien believer"...And we still fail to accept aliens or visitors from our own future into mainstream science...If Ley Lines exist it confirms that they must provide access to some sort of energy we no longer remember how to use.Ancient texts often speak about things we would today call a vortex.Be it as a doorway, something that does incredible things or just divides the red sea...Although totally out of magic science explored in theory how energy from a higher plane or continuum would manifest for us if they enter what we can see and experience.The conclusion is that it had to be in spiral or to be precise in all three dimensions vortex like style.It is partly based on facts we can already clearly obersver when one type of energy creates different one.Like a hurricane created by the difference in air temperatures becomes self suffient and stronger although the available energy to power it appears to be way too small....And of course our modern, linear math won't allow us to fully calculate what is really happening in a tornado...A technological gimmick to access the power of the ley lines might be just something tiny, like a resonator...We can't hear our favourite radio station if our tuner does not resonate at the same frequency...Our wireless chargin won't work at all if the sending and receiving coils are not properly matched to operate at common frequencies...The available energy would not only be basically limitless but also clean with no pollution, no waste products....So why we did we forget how to use ley lines?It was religion...They exist, they have powers and energies we have yet to understand.But do we at least have any theories were their power comes from?It can't be the stars as the ley lines are fixed structures, they do not move with the starts their nodes often represent.It can't be the ground or natural formations around either as there is nothing we can detect to be different.But we could try to accept a totally different theory about the center of our earth.Science tells us we a hard crust, then some molten rock and finally a liquid metal core that is somehow spinning and creating our magnetic field....Great story but sadly based on just linear math and our current theories of things we can't actually reach to explore.Funyy then how the greed of humatiy comes to the rescue...Diamonds are expnsive, especially those rare, pure and special ones.Several mines getting diamonds from very deep down in our mantle found strange things in some diamonds.Water....Ok, not water as we know it but the same building blocks.It was only confirmed to be water because when these "impurites" were analysed science already created this type of water.Part of a great science project theroy turned reality.With enough heat and pressure water changes the state of matter, it becomes ice.To be precise ICE7.It is a bit like a very energy plasma constantly being recycled.And it has magnetic properties in its crystalline structure but also on a sub atomic level in its plasma form.How would such a reaction be possible?Gravity of course.If you have water without gravity afeecting it you get a perfect sphere.With enough water your "drop" creates its own gravit by its mass.Add more and more more water and gravity will compress what is at the center.Keep adding and you create a minature sun running a cold fusion process with just hydrogen and oxygen.The natural forces of your movement around the sun and what is manipulated by the moons gavitational impact keeps the up the required motion for the fusion process.Ice7 could not exist in molten lava core with a spinning metal ball at the center.But molten lava under our tectonic plates and their movement is not problem at all if their mass is nothing but "floating debris" covering a huge cold fusion reactor.Compression by gravity and a "water" core create enough friction to melt rocks.We use the same priciple in friction welding in our industry...Unce the firction is great enough the to be welded metals melt and theep meltig until the rotation suddenly stops and all goes solid again as one single piece.The ley lines might be nothing more then emissions from our cold fusion reactor, like directed radio waves if you like to make it too simple.But ley lines are on the ground so the entire therory of Ice7 and cold fusion is just crap!?Science does not give up that easy and confirmed they are actually extending all the way into space.Satellites were able to measure the tiny variations when crossing ley lines and especially nodes where multiple lines intersect.The race to find what might be required to access the "magical" powers of our ley lines started ages ago.The only thing that has changed is the approach and who organises this search.One conclusion that was made again and again is that we will only be able to understand ancient technology once we understand what role the ley lines really play in what myths calls magic.To get a grasp how simple yet complex this understanding is we can go to the great pyramid in Aegypt.Build on a stron Leyline node and confirmed to be oriented by certain stars.You can look all the details about this up on your favourite search engine.Quite intersting once you realise the great precision and drive to aligne everything so perfectly.Even more when you realise the pyramid is also orientated properly on the ley lines.There are only a very few places on our planet that allow for the alignemnt of both stars and ley lines - they all have pyramids there with remarkably similar features or constructions to creat calendars and time keeping based on the movement of the sun and various planets.Some of these old cultrues even tracked the axial shift of our planet to have a warning system for a reversal of our magnetic field...But the great pyramid of Giza has nothing to actually track stars...Then why are all the "tunnels" to the "burial chambers" pointing prescisely at certain starts, including one in the Orion belt that even a decent telescope struggles to make visible?The same stars mentioned again and again throughout all ancient cultures....Some say the pyramids have powers, others say they were gigantic power plants, some they they were devices to accurately track the stars and to make sure whoever has the final resting place there will be able to reach and see his home planet.What if all of this has a true backgorund we yet fail to understand and explore?A now quite famous couple observing vulcanic activity around the globe managed to get quite precise prediction on not just when and where a vulcano is at risk to blow but also how severe the eruption might be.How is such an impossible "magical" prediction possible you ask?No magic, just pure science.The gravitational pull on our planet is not just affected by the moon, it just our biggest influencer in the game.Every planet out there in our soloar system creates gravity.And they all move around "randomly".If the aligned however things change dramatically.In the worst case all our planets between earth and sun are in one perfect line whle the rest of them is in a prefect line on the opposite side of the sun - the gravitational pull on planet earth is at max.Of course it is at the lowest when the inner planets are behind the sun and the outer planets behind earth.Thes seintists track this movement to predict in conjunction with the position of earth if a vulcanic active region would be subject to increased gravitational pull.Theory is it would cause and increase in magma pressure and movement.And the theory shows to be correct time and time again.Now try to imagine this:All the stars that have perfectly aligned channels in the great pyramid align with these tunnels AND all our solar planets align just right as well.If science is correct then around the time the pyramids were build this alignment was true.Get your calculator to check when the same conditions happen again and you might get a big surprise when realising the day is not that far away...Only too bad that we neither have the outer lining of the pyramid nor what was really inside these chambers at the time they were finished.Keep in mind that in most cases the pharao died long AFTER the pyramid for him was finished.We could wonder the same about many old cities in the UK, Europe and especiall Italy.No one denies that Rome was build in just seven days ;) or that it is build on a very secific point on the ley lines.Only few though know that the perfect spot on the lay lines is occocied by the center of the Vatican.Don't know about you....But if the pyramids are said to have had great powers when the time was right then what powers might the Vatican reveal when its alignment to its stars are perfect?Go ahead, start from england and follow the ley line all the way to rome.Take the names of some of the vital cities along the line and make the reference to the star or constellation they were named after.Like for the pyramid, these "bread crumbs" will tell you when the time for Rome is perfect.See what great historical events happen during past alignments and wonder what might happen during the next ;)And suddenly we get the feeling that magic is nothing but a boost of knowledge and technology handed to select few people.Only the most prestigious and "decorated" members of the church are allowed to access the secrect libraries of the Vatican.Even fewer are allowed to actually study them....And all of these few are "fluent" in many ancient languages.....So if GOD would ever return it would be in Rome and there would be people able to at least understand his written language and speak a few works in the old tongue.Imagine though another "god" would visit earlier in a religious location that aligns earlier?The race to be the first is already on whether we like to admit it or not.Only question is which god will be first and what magic will he bring us this time?Ley lines are as real as the cities and monuments build exactly and precisely on them.Some of them are older than humanity as know in from our books.Do some exploration of the ley lines nodes close to you.Listen to the myths and legends of the area, visits the places you hear about and try to see them with open eyes and a free mind.Dive into the past to find out where the origins of the stories and myths you found might lead you.Nature is all around and includes ley lines, we only have to allow to see and understand to imagine what might have been and what might be again.Magic is nothing but energy and technology observed by someone who does not know these things.Let a cave man watch Seinfeld and see what he draws on his cave wall once you and the TV are gone ;)

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What can I do with ancient laptop?

I found a working Dell Latitude LM in the trash, any ideas on what I can use it for, comes complete with floppy drive attachment. Thanks.

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Ancient technologies revisted - the last chapter, 13

We often woder how the ancient builder were able to calculate all the stuff they needed.But there might be a very simple explanation: Evolution and the gregorian calendar...Our modern math is based on 10 or for most things US still the 12.And no matter which system you try to calculate things like gravity, accelleration or just angles you always end with a big mess.So what did the church to make it all so complicated, after all it was a change of calendar....Not quite....Before times we knew 13 star signs.Before the church came along most people used the 28 day moon cycle or derivations of it.What was once left to high priests or the village shamane turned into Astrology and also forgot about the 13, reducing the star signs by one.Big deal you say, no one cares....Or do we?What were the real world implications of this interference?Or year is now 364.25 days long - on average.We constantly need to adjust it by one day every four years and also need to correct our time accordingly.What a hassle....We also implemented that a day has to have 12 hours or 24 for the entire thing, including the night.Only to finally use the base 10 for our common math LOLIt does not get any more complicated than this :(As a result of this mixing our circle ended with 360° and a minute with 60 seconds - What the heck!?There is no common base to develop any proper, higher math!So we learned to work around the problem and to accept the most complicated way must be the best way.An artifical brake for our evolution.Nonsense? Let's play it out just a little bit:We do it the old ways and use the lunar cycle with 28 days.Gives us 364 days per year, every year.What about our star signs?Funny you should ask....Because suddenly we have a perfect fit for the 13 star signs again.We still ignore that they are not all visible for the same period of time in the zodiac though.What about the days and time?If we ignore the 12 and use 28 hours for a full day instead of just 24 we are again in the right rythm.But where is the natural logic in all this?Hidden, like our evolution ;)The key is again a thing called decimal parity, a magicians trick if you like.With that long number tunr into just a single digit by adding the singles:345= 3+4+5=12 = 1+2=3If we use the same magic on how our cells multiply:1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024 we not only suddely see number we know from our computers.The cell multiplication goes on and on, however: Decimal parity give a simple and repeating sequence:1, 2, 4, 8, 5, 7Notice how everything that makes a 12 like 3,6,9 are "missing"? ;)For a 28 hour day we can divide it evenly to get 14 hours for day and night.7 is a quarter of a day.And yes, 1+4=5 and 2+8=10 = 1+0=1If you now checked some of my really old topics and remember Tesla's circle of math then it is no coincidence that it matches.Go one step further and apply the 364 or a multiple of 28 on a circle as degrees for a full one....If we can link the moon, or to be precise, the lunar cycle so perfectly to how how our cells divide: can the moon really be just a coincidence? ;)Go ahead and play with some of our favourite physics formulas based on the lunar cycle!Don't bother bother trying to figure out how to match the required second to lunar times though.Reverse engineer the formula so to say!We might have solved the time and calendar problem but not the meter ;)Take Gravity for starters.If we assume the moon is no coincidence then gravity shouldn't be one either!?Ignoring all resistance an object near earth surface will increase speed by about 9.8m per second every second.Transfer that to hours and see what happens if you hour is based on 28 or 364.Makes very weird numbers I know.Try again but this time keep in mind that if you change the time base you need the same multiplicator for the 9.81 ;)Ok, now you should have basically matching results and still the basically same complicated number.Re-arrange you formula so you get just 1m instead of 9.81.We could calculate before with our old math how far an object would travel in free fall with our gravity in a given amount of time.Never a nice number per second.Try again with you moon second of hour now ;)If you struggle with it a bit I won't blame you at all.Feel free to use any of the other vital physics formulas we know that require meters and seconds to find out how long a real meter should be ;)Or do it the other way around and use the speed of light formula and see what you get with moon based numbers ;)Why was the 13 banned and declared bad?Ignorance, protection, secracy, god complexes, call it what you like.Either way it is the link between real math and nature in every way.Our year is based on it the same way as our lunar cycle.Our cell multiplication and basically every natural shape in nature uses the 13 as well.Even astrology should again include it.Banning the 13 and using the 12 or 10 instead meant we were unable to see the links nature and the universe offer freely.Is it really just coincidence that a water vortex of tornado look exactly like our milky way?Just that the later is more flat....Or that so many patterns in nature follow the sequence of decimal parity - even your sunflower ....Some say banning "false" gods wasn't enough, others say it was a simple insurance policy.But with the 13 gone the way was free to let anyone trying run into dead ends.Without the 28 day lunar cycle seeing the connection was next to impossible.Ok, but how does the 12 come into play with the church and all?Making math totally impossible was not possible because our brains constantly evolve.The 12 was a perfect fit for the old days.It stands for the "missing" 3 6 and 9 from the decimal parity sequence.It is simpler in one way but only for the most basic things.Once you need what we call today higher math the 12 makes things really hard - hence our never ending numbers when we try to calculate "round" stuff....You just never get the full accuracy because it is always an endless amount of digits behing the dezimal point.Even for Pie....Defining the meter or foot on something totally not natural only helped the cause.After the apple finally hit us on the head it was already too late.Our understanding of what time is was flawed, our meter was a makeshift approximation.Of course the results of calculations only got worse and worse the more we learned about physics.Now we can't even think in any other ways anymore....What about our DNA?We struggle to understand it, make sense of all the unrequired data in it.We often like to say the junk is the leftovers from evolution.But what if our failure to understand and decode our own DNA is intentional?What might happen if someone appraoches this problem with the numbers 13 and 28 as the base of operations?Just some extra magic to make a point: ;)Take 28 days for a "Month".Take 13 "Months" for a whole year.Makes 364 days.Using decimal parity we get:2+8=10 =11+3=43+6+4= 13!! 1+3=4Considering Tesla you still think the lunar cycle is coincidence and won't matter? ;)13 was and always will be the key....Don't believe me?Use 13 and keep adding 13, then use decimal parity to get a sequence.Like 1+3=42+6= 83+9==3.....You get this sequence:4 8 3 7 2 6 1 5 9 Draw it in a circle like Tesla used ;)9 at the top then 1 to 8 every 40 degrees.You get a 9 pointed star.With so many links freely available you just have to wonder how we could ignore it for so long.....The lunar cycle is a complete sequence, no end, no beginning.We now got two distinct sequences, one for the 13 or our moon and the other for our own cell multiplication.1,2,4,8,7,5If you figure out what Tesla did so many years ago and find where the 3, 6 and 9 link those two sequences you will be a winner.I'll give you a hint: They nicely divide our lunar sequence.And our parity line from the cell multiplication does the same.What more do you need to accept that the base for true math is not 10, 12 or even 16?It is 9, always was, always will be ;)Live long and prosper! ;)

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Ancient technologies revisted - Cities too old to exist

Cities that are really ancient exist around the world and we still find more.Pumapunko is a bit of a conundrum here.Located in Bolivia and siad by historians be from around AD 530.On the other hand our modern carbon dating methods fail to confirm this age, in fact the C14 tests often provide an age of over 17.000 years.Confirmed over and over but still inconclusive as you can't actually date the stone - it has no carbon for testing.The claim the cities is much older than what archeology tells us is based on things found in foundations and crushed by these blocks when set in place.Simply said: If it got in there or between the stone then it must have happened when it was build.Ancient cities are not the only things of an age that defies our knowledge.Temple in India, statues from all over the world face the same problem.Ancient texts claim that they are much older, in fact that a lot of them were already there whe the humans writing about them appeared.For things like the great pyramid and its smaller counterparts we have quite clear info provided from that time, so we can rest assured the dating is rather accurate.Still modern science, modern technology, modern professionals all fail to come up with ideas how it was possible to create this pyramid in the about 22 years claimed.The same texts that give us the age AND the time to build it also refer to people who helped with the creation, gave guidance and tools.For other buidings and temples we can find simial stories about their origins but those in charge of history claim it is all in a mythical sense and not real.Well, if all the rest of the text is real, why would someone have made crap about who helped them?If anything then whoever wrote it would have praised his boss, the king or whoever but not people from the stars...And when it comes to placement and alignment we again fail to explain anthing.For example how these pyramids around the world could have been aligned exactly with their sides to face north, south, east and west.One might be coincidence but almost all of them...We invented the compass much later....And how was it possible to align shaft and "inspection holes" to stars we only discovered 2000 years later when we finally invented big enough telescopes?...Going back to Pumapunko and considering it was created thausands of years before the pyramids we can only wonder.A modern stone mason would not even take on a job to re-create the complex carving and box cut outs in granite, basalt or similar hard rock.If he did he would not be able to create the same sharp and well defined angles, let alone precision.With no written language the people back then had to rely on stories to keep the past alive, rituals, dances, masks...For Pumapunko these stories tells us about giants, sometimes claimed to be two or three times taller than the ancient people.Same skinny appearance as the famous "Grey", same big head but different eyes and well, huge....Again, most people will say that myths and legends are always a biased overstating of real events, discribed by what we call today simple minded folks.They are all based on things though that the people back then could not explain based on their knowledge and past experiences.Whoever built Pumapunko or helped the natives was well ahead of times.Keep in mind that even if you are really generous our bronze age started about 5000 years ago, Pumapunko was created about 10.000 years earlier...History and archeology tries to hide these facts by finding ways to place the creation of these ancient structures always within the bronze age but never before.Carbon dating though showed us again and again how wrong these guesstimations were.What if?....Imagine science is not something to question but something to accept.And if even just a few of these ancient cities are well older than our discoveroy of mixing copper with some shiny metal to make hard bronze then it means our human evolutions needs to be revised.Tools capable to precisely transform a mountain into blocks and then delicate masonary work requires technology.Transporting block of often over 100 metric tons, the seize of a big school bus and larger, not only requires technology but also a decent understanding of the terrain and how to tackle it.And designing a big city, stone by stone certainly requires a set of skills no human brain was capable of before the bronze age.We were hunters and gathering food but not architacts, machinists and stone masons.You might still be able to ignore timeframes from ancient texts as well as reports of how it was done in these texts but we can't ignore "coincidence".No matter where you look you find what mainstream science discards as pure coincidences.Like the alignment of the pyramids around the world.Orion and Sirius are the main constellations used for thei alignment.And they were always true and following the alignment allowed us to "discover" the ancient knowldge hubs of that time.Similar with their shape and size - always matching the same "base plan" like the great pyramid.For the ancient cities we also face the additional problem that they provide the evidence of a much greater understanding of not only our solar system but about astronomy and even the pole shifting of our planet.Not to mention the prediction of solar and lunar eclipses - impossible unless you already knew that the erath is not the center of the universe...We struggle to accept the concept of real gods actually doing labour for us or spending enough time with us to teach us.Same for accepting that some E.T. came and still comes to visit and influence us.And we simply can't explain how things were done thausands of years ago without accepting that a much higher technology than what we have today was involved.Some now say it was never higher technology but just knowledge human kind has forgotten during times when survival was more important.And we appearently re-discover old and forgotten skills and technologies - like it is encoded in our genes.Either way it leaves a huge gap we won't dare to touch so we can understand our past.It make you wonder how we might have evolved from those ancient cultures if they were not wiped out again and again for no obvious reason by nature...

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Ancient technologies revisited - 2000 year old battery

This is the first part of a series (if you are interested in more) about technologies that are confirmed by scientists by rejected by archeologists and historians alike.Without abtteries we would struggle to have what we have today.No one would have needed a laptop or mobile phone if it has to be plugged in all the time...And depending on where you read it is said that our batteries are about 200 years old.First we needed to "discover" electricity to get the idea that we might need something to store electrical power with.Building a rudimentary battery is not hard.Every kid can create these lemon or potato clocks and light with a cheap kit off the internet.Creating something with at least enough storage capaicty to run a small motor for while or to power a flashlight is a different thing.We often speak of power density - a formula to define how much energy per volume a battery can store and what the max amps delivered are.KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid!Means we imagine that we want to build battery with the most basic tools and ingredient you can come up with.My imaginary shopping list:A good amount of clay and plenty of water for it ;)Some malleable metal like bronze or coopper, maybe even gold.Some basic salts.Some basic acid.A small pot of bitumen.Making it - of course only theory...Use the clay to create good sice, vase shaped vessel that can hold about 10 liters when finnished.Create a suitable and tight fitting lid with the leftovers.Bake in your fire until ready.As an alternative and for a bit of asian touch you can of course substitute the clay with ceramic here - be creative.Finnish it off by applying a nice bitumen coat to really seal the surfaces of lid and vase.Time to grab a cold beer and get it to your mate with the big anvil and blast furnace.Ask him to create a thin walled metal tube that is about 20cm in diameter and one with a diameter of about 8cm.Once you made him agree offer the beer and ask to also make some sort of wire - like thin metal strips to be connected to one end of the tubes.Since you took way too much beer over to your friend I suggest that you continue when you are sober again ;)Wrap some cloth around the smaller tube until it fits tightly into the bigger one.Soak this stuffed cloth now with the brine you made from your first selected salt - you figure out which ones work.Let it dry or do it faster with some applied moderate heat.Repeat until it won't soak in any more brine and turned into a solid salt filling.Fill the smaller tube with your second salt, compress it hard and seal the ends with something the keeps the stuff insde but allows liquid to penetrate the salt.Place in your clay vase and secure with some filler material - be creative and consider things crushed volcanic rock, "inert" stuff like hair or cotton, maybe even wood splinters....If the filler material could float fill the top with something that keeps it down, if in doubt just use sand.Check that all is fine and that the wires come out on either side of the rim.Slowly fill with your acid of choice until all air is out and the vase is full to the brim.Seal the lid in place with some bitumen.If you did it right and used the right ingredients you have now a 2V (+-0.2V) battery with a capacity between about 3 and 10Ah.Will take you a bit of time and experimenting to get it right with the ingredients but it does work.What does not work according to official science is that you would have had any use for such a battery over 2000 years ago.A bit like the bumblebee...Science tells it is impossible that such a heavy insect with such tiny wings and such a great mass can fly.Earonautical engenners confirmed this many times.Our humble bee though has clue about science, aerodynamics or a perfect weight distribution, let alone things like lift.And so it just flies anyway.....The batteries exist, they were confirmed many times to be batteries with rather high capacities.But since in ancient Aegypt, China, India or soth America no one knew anything about batteries according to our archeologists and historians the only possible explanation is that they are not batteries at all....The question should not be whether or not they had batteris as this is already answered.The question must be: Why did they need batteries???And they had tons of them....Some types according to chemical analysis even rechargable.You only need batteries if you need electricity and you can only charge batteries if you have electricity....Start experimenting and try to figure out how many different types of batteries you can make from most basic ingredients...I will continue with another post about the purely theoretical existence of solar cells during ancient times.

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Ancient technologies revisited - religions and their books full of technology

Throughout history it is always the spritual and religious world providing us with clues about the gods, aliens and ancient tehnologies.Many of the texts and libraries have been lost to war, fires and natural disasters.But the really old ones still have solid structures with myths everywhere.And they all have stories that survived time in one form or another.The approach to make or keep this knowledge accessible differes from culture to cultures and between our various old and newer religions.Take the fact the officiall the Jews have no home country to call home.This fact goes back to the times of the crucification of Jesus!The roman or catholic church was and in many ways still is the driving force behind this war against all jews.And it makes a good example to be used for the secrets we are not supposed to know about.I could do the same with hindu gods and might do so in a later revisted episode, but using "the one and only god" makes no real difference.It is neither an attack on the church nor on the jews, it is a collection of histric facts and theories.Killing a weird guy with magical powers would be totally normal for the church, we know that from witch hunts over and over again.And even if you would have killed the highest leader of the church back then the punishments would have stopped with your family.So why try to exterminated or at least drive all jews from church controlled territories?Why steal their most prescious relicts or destroy them?Both the oldest version of jewish "bible" and the other one provide vital and almost identical clues.It is agreed that good old mary was not raped and that her pregnacy was a "miracle".With don't know of her farming hubby was impotent but their are clues they had another child from natural conception many years later.Either way the clues continue in both books.Same for pitcures created by artists around the time and later in history based on stroy telling.I will highlight these pictures a bit later.Again both sides agree that around the time it all hapened a bright star or comet was visible over Jerusalem.Science tried to provide us with answers but could not provide enough specifics and details.The funny thing is that nowhere in any record you find a pregnant Mary...All you find is that she suddenly had a baby, so suddenly in fact that not even hubby realised what happened.Certainly nothing indicating more than a few weeks, so no mormal pregnancy at all!Today we are already experts in IVF and implanting emryos into a womb.We struggle a bit though to make it faster in a controlled way.No problem though to alter and mix the required DNA for more satisfactory outcomes.In some countries it is legal to have the DNA of your unbron child modified to make sure it comes out the way the parants like it best...But of course back then there was no one with a good IVF progam at hand...What if we check for pictures?In almost all of the oldest ones our "comet" does not look like a comet at all.It is not rays of light emitting to show how bright it was - they already did much better jobs with colors when painting the sun...And said "comet" appears over and over in images like a watching eye over whatever happened back then.Often just as a tiny thing in some corner of the image and most of these pic were "taken" in bright daylight.Pretty rare to find a comet visible in bright daylight over one part of the world only and for several years....Fun fact: It was never mentioned that the comet was visible throught the night but it was always clearly visible throughout the day and early morning/evening.Ever seen a big plane taking off around sun set and flying towards the day line?Even if it already appears to be dark enough to see some skies - if the plane is high enough its shiny belly reflects like a bright star....A big enough craft in a stationary orbit would give the exaxt same impression to someone observing it back then.They had no telescope to take a closer look.....What about references in other ancient texts?Especially in the asian region you find old stories about a traveller going west to spread hisnew from a religion and to seek followers.Other stories make it quite clear that he did not travel but that he was sent.All around the right time in history and all matching what Jesus and his followers were spreading.You won't find any records of his journey though....By the time he made it to Jerusalem he would have had thausands of followers already along his route....And funny enough you won't find any stories about the childhood of Jesus either.It all starts as a baby being born and jumps right forward to a young man...Another thing that differs in asian texts is where the three wise man come into place.Some texts state they were not kings at all and there is no corresponging histrorical evidence that leaders from the regions in question came to see the holy child.They speak of teachers bringing wisdom.Teachers from three distictively different cultures from different parts of the ancient world.The same texts state that the teachers did not travel back to where they started their long journey.They state the teachers went to those who sent them to share information on the prgess of the "holy child".And by pure coincidence this "last and final report" meant they disappeared from all historical, religious or even mythical texts and stories.It happen around the time of Jesus being reborn.And with them the story about what happened to Jesus a while after he came back ends as well...Imagine the catholic leaders at that time were like middlemen for a greater cause.After all those three wise man did not reside with Jesus's parents and neither at the local motel.Leaves only a filthy rich guy or the church....And if Jesus was nothing but a genetic experiment to allow for the delevopment of a very calm and capable brain....For sure some tecnology must have been involved to the magic happen, bread and wine don't appear from thin ai just because you want id badly enough.And waters don't stay apart to allow walking over the dry sea bed to the other side - forcefields do...Is than a surpise that those responsible and being also involved in stealing the ark faced the most severe punishment possible?A punishment lasting till the end of time...But were the jews just punsihed for killing Jesus?Of course not.The origins are the same, the god is the same, they are or were different fractions in the attempt to get access to unimaginable power and knowledge.Some say to stay in contact with the higher beings watching and influencing us.If the three wise men were indeed just "visitors" and the Ark of the covenant was their base of knowledge and power:What would we reveal if we combine wisdom and knowledge of the oldest records the church and and jewish counterpart have to offer?Would it be dangerous to justify keeping these almost identical "religions" apart and to replace them "science"?And what happens if they ignore it all one day and live happy togehter in harmony again ? ;)Some of it might become clear when you check the history of the bible itself.Over the years it has seen many alterations to make to stories more digestible and suited for modern times.And it was always based on what we found in the records or incarnations (books) of the bible.A lot of these books or chapters in time were erased from history.once you made up a good story to tell you can't allow and older version to show a completely different picture.Worse still if thse old books reveal that the current story is fundamentally flawed and out of real context.This caused a lot of gaps in the bible and it is no coincidence that it never ever provides any usable dates...the oldest versions though do not only that but they also have a working reference system to create a linear timeline of events.And of course they have a lot of references to what we today call "alien technology" or technology from creatures more evolved than we are.The bible was cleansed and kept free of anything that would allow our advances in science to see anything but "god" and mythical stories.Religion as we know it would become a farce and obsolete once we really understand the origins andwhat the myths and stories really tell.A risk no religion so far is willing to take.But India is making a start with the lost citiy of Dwarka.Confirming they really found it and exploring it one day or even building a dome over it to keep the sea out would be like finding the ark and holy grail together for the church...And it might happen very soon...If Jesus was a real and unaltered human we would still have the problem to explain the technology.So stop saying Jesus was an alien please!

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Add USB to ancient laptop without spending money?

I have a Dell Latitude LM that I like for word processing because of the responsive almost full sized keyboard. BUT I need it to have a USB port. I got a PC card to USB port adapter, but doesn't work because I'm not so bright. Any ideas on getting USB through the diskette drive or CD-ROM? Or is this stupid?

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New Scientist recreates a robot made by the ancient Greeks

A friend forwarded this along:Ok, this was on slashdot, and it may be a little old, but it was the coolest thing I've seen today.If you can't watch the 2 minute video, the robot works by having a falling weight turn an axel. However, the real ingenuity of 60 AD shines from pegs that are put in the axel that the rope can be wrapped around in order to make the axel turn different directions at pre-programmed intervals.

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Ancient technologies revisited - solar cells during the bronze age!?

In this second part of my series I will discuss the theory(ies) of the existence of solar cell like technology.If you have batteries you have something that needs electricity - DC.But you might also need some easy way to charge them unless you have a generator...We only "recently" developed solar cells, although the theoretical idea behind the is a bit older.In ancient Aegypt was enough sun to use solar cells it still is.But you would need to know how to grow silicium crystals first...And you also need a way to cut very thin slices of them in the right orientation...Not so mainstream scientists already showed us advanced maching marks and impossible accuracy being used throughout ancient Aegypt.So we can rest assured they knew how to deal with precision and complex math.Still growing crystal is far fetched, especially considering that through ancient times being one with nature and the gods was priority number one.A group of now dishonered scientists came up with the theory that in ancient times the sun was used more indirectly to generate electricity.Their claim based on some pictured carvings and other things the found goes like this:Arrays of tubes where used that contained a biological matter.Alternating tubes used different metals and were connected by non conductive joints.A slot in the top, throughot the length of the tubes allowed sunlight to get in.Apart from a lot of waste gas this biological matter than caused the tubes to get charge through an ion exchange process on a cellular level.A good theory should always be double checked and peer reviewed by independent schientists.If you can replicate the findings it must be true.A bad theory should not get you more than a bit of laughter and mean reports in related publications.So these scientists must have really overdone it, right?After all, they lost all credibility and most of them now have unqualified jobs far away from anything they ever studied - like stockig supermarket shelves...By really pure conincidence NASA developed a "bio matter (Re)Re-generator" just little over two years after our group of scientists lost their jobs.What does it do you wonder....Well, for long missions away from earth it makes sense to find better ways of dealing with (human) organic waste.Recycling the water from it is one thing but it requires lots of energy that could be used for other things.And it still leave a "$%'& load of soild waste.NASA "found" a bacteria capable of reducing organic waste products in a liquid supension very quickly into most basic end products.Easy to recycle, re-use or if in doubt discard as there is only around 3% or the original solid waste left.The bateria only needs enough sunlight be become realy active.Double bonus: It won't produce any CO2 as a gas but instead produces a soild form of calcium "waste".Calcium is not only what makes our bones, it is also very useful for other things.The seperation of this valuable solid calcium waste comes with the side effect of producing electricity at the catalyst arrays.An "unforseen" side effect that is since then subject to further research.I did say coincidence already, did I ?Another is that the bacteria found by NASA is from the same family our disgruteld scientists claimed to might have been used.Ok, twice is still plausible, isn't it?But using the same material for the "catalyst arrays" as our scientists suggested for the slotted tubes make three....In some old Indian texts we find hints to giant "anti-mirrors" used by the gods to harness the sun.Studied close up they appeared like highly polished silvery metal.But hit by full sun and they turned black and stopped to reflect any light.We know that if the later would have been true this black would have had to be less reflective than Vanta Black and similar inventions.Assume it was true...A "solar cell" that utilises almost all incoming light would have an efficiency grade we could not even dream about.Would also mean it would still be very efficient on a cloudy winter day.The "black" would also mean they should have heated up like no tomorrow but they were claimed to feel extremely cold even on the hottest day...From interpretation of ancient stories of the folks from south america we know the gos use "lightning" as a weapon against enemies as well as for contructions and "artwork" on a big scale.So there was electricity widely used on our earth at times where our books tells us we only had oil lamps and at best bronze tools...If the really had solar technology might remain a mystery forever but we at least know they knew how to use electricity...

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SADW BUG IN RECENT ANSWERS ==about== 3Y TO 5Y...... see u den

RECENT ancient answers topics that are 6 years and older. See me at  Jigidi on some leader boards. Keep your mind active until the Aussies perfect that cure for Alzheimer's....

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wat do u like to do to OLD cell phones?

I like to disassemble them. i then try to make stuff outta wats left. i also like to look at da circuit boards. i guess i'm wierd that way. seriously. i'm kind of a freak when it comes to stuff like lightnin', electonics, and just about anything that uses electicity. i will post another topic about whyy i like electronics so much.

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Ancient technologies revisited - What happened to all the crashed "alien" ships?

Whenever it comes to theories about ancient technology we find remarkable stories of "gods" and the flying machines.And those stories never ended.Technology though changed the way we interpret video fottage that people claim to show UFO's.Quite often we have a viral flood of post from all over the US where people show some weird pics or even videos and claim they saw some UFO.It usually contraticts itslef, as an Unidetified Flying Object that is no problem to identify can't be a UFO ;)Like when some rocket launch went wrong, a satellite dropped down to burn up...Happens all over the world, almost on a daily base.So often in fact that it seems the interest to grab you phone and take a shot goes dead.Why bother, can't be real anyway...But there is undiniable footage stretching back well over 100 years showing some craft or some "light" performing flight operations that seem to have no problem totally avoiding everything we know about the laws of physics.When it comes to UFO crashes the only thing that pops into people's minds is Roswell, New Mexico...There were crshes of unidentified flying objects well before this but no makes a fuzz about them anymore.The old folks in the small town of Auroa could tell you nice stories about their relationship with "aliens"...1861 if you need a year to look out for ;)From that first crash in the US that was properly documented for history we were faced with the same problem every single time when something strange fell from the sky and landed on US soil.The military moves in a seal off the area, everything is collected, the rest cleaned.And the people that saw something are reminded that they never really saw anything.For most claimed crashes in other parts of world we never got any official or unoffial documents to view, only reports from people that were there or close when it happened.So I will leave those out.Checking in other parts of the world we know at least on one craft that crashed in 1936 in Germany and another one a few years early claimed to crashed in the alps.What happened to first is obvious, the second case in the alps is claimed to never been found.The most recent "crash" that made it into the public happened during the cold war in Russia.A bit trigger happy after noticing that the Blackbird project is not only reality but also that these birds were out of range for their weapons....No surprise then that got really pissed off when some "US craft" flew from one base to another - their most secret ones.And always it seemed to fly at speeds claimed to have been well over Mach 5.Some predictions were made, everyone on high alert and of course it then poped up over a base waiting for it.The unconfirmed claims from former military presonll states that enoug was fired to sink a small island and most of the ordonance were perfectly aimed.It eventually crashed when trying to fly away.But Russia never made a claim to have found a US spy craft, never again for this incident claimed the US was spying.And according to those claiming to have been involved in the recovery the craft was definately not of any known desing and had mostly unknown components and mterials.Going a bit further in down in history there seemed to have been a crash of a small craft around 1920 in France but I could not find anything stating more that a crashed craft was recovered and taken away for examination.So we know that at least two unidentified craft ended in the hands of powerful countries in the 100 years.we can rest assured that if Nazie German really had the remains of the 1936 crash it ended in the US together with all other vital technology and involved scientists.Add Roswell if you dare to think it was a real crash and you grant the US a 2:1 victory over Russia.Adding the Aurora crash and you get three for Team USA.China is claimed to be in possession of a rather craft that the found when excavating for something totally different.Said to have happened around 1930.But real info from China is sketchy to say the least :(What if anything that was found under the ice in Antartica was ancient or alien tech or even a craft will remain a secret for a while longer as real info on the 4 secret US bases down there is hard to come by.Some theorists claim to be able to trace certain technological advancements back to anient or even alien techonolgy.What sound like total bogus, over the years, got some momentum after all.Even if it such every day stuff like velcro tape...A claim I find rather interesting on a personal level if microchip technology.Officially we only came up with the idea to make transistors smaller and more efficient.From there we went into integrating simple components in tiny sizes into a chip housing with a few legs on it.After that it is said the rest was just a logical flow of technological evolution.But if so: How exactly would someone get the idea to shrink a good sized house of standard components into something that fits onto your fingernail?Like a CPU...It is like a missing link - the step from just making the circuit smaller and smaller to using lasers and silicium wafers to created multi layer and multi dimensional structures - the modern microchip.All the now well documented problems that seem obvious were unknown and some not even theorised.Still, within just a fears we solved quantum effects, capacitance effects of the "circuit traces", intercations from stray fields and more.In comparison it would be like going from our first production car to the latest Tesla model within just 20 years....To solve some of the problems technology to actually observe the problem needed to invented - the chicken and egg problem as some like to claim.And there is more "evidence" to some that we studied technology that we had no clue about.For certain alloys that perform exceptional in highly specialised environments we face the same conundrum.Even if, by some genius miracle, some scientists comes up with an incredible theory the guy, or girl, would need something to go with.For a technology that can only work if "unknown" elements are used in a device made from an alloy with basically impossible physical properties - what gave you the idea to "invent" both the missing elements AND the missing alloy?especially when it comes to Gallium, Indium and dysporsium we find tons of research articles these days.All theorising about very specific alloys with even more specific qualities.Including of course plausible applications for the real world if we ever would manage to create such alloys.And for some weird reason people do just that seemingly for fun.Be it making Gallium-Iron alloys or even Indium Boron Alloys - as the two main building blocks of the alloy.The rest of other metal, half metal and rare earth metals is often is such minute quantities that just guesswork or chemistry won't get you there alone.There is even the claim that we already invented the famous transparent Aluminium from Star Trek.Not based on Aluminium though and so far only in tiny crystal sizes, but still...If you would some crashed ship it woud be no problem to reverse engineer these technologies, especially if you only need to focus on understand it and creating the "tools" to replicate it.But unless we can create another massive leak of classified documents we will never know for sure what, if any of our modern technolgy was reverse engineered.But then again, that is exactly what was claimed for many of the technological advances of Nazi Germany, some just skipped decades of development and testing....Another funny clue is to check the origins of the words "Alien" and "UFO".Why would you need UFO if you already such great names as Foo Fighter or Thunderball?Just asking ;)And if it really matches the U from UFO then how can it remain a UFO once checked, tagged and examined? If it is from us it is clear, if it is not is clear as well, so it really makes so other sense than to create indended and directed confusion ;)Same for Alien...So why ancient of alien technology be any different? ;)

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See this - ancient IBM video (although it's probably film...)

This is so... It's back then, it's like teaching cave-men how to arrive at 42... What did typing-pools make of this? Punch-cards, magnetic- ah such good old stuff Retro', very retro', and in parts quite profound. And it's ... Cholmondley-Warner?

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Ancient technologies revisited - Nazi symbols, their real meaning and origins

When it comes to ancient technology we simply can not ignore what secret Nazi projects used.History tries to tell us that all Nazi symbols were nothing but symbols of the Nazies with no real meaning or context.That if for technology, archeology and knowledge in general.Let's start with infamous swastika.The Nazies used the right facing swastika and until then all swastikas were left facing.It was also angled at 45°.Origins of the original go back as far as 10.000B.C. and some people claim to have found even older versions in cave paintings.It is a symbol of many old cultures especially in the midle east and asia.The oldest discription related to things like the north pole and sun, a variation of the Yin and Yang symbol and in all cases it relates to the "ultimate/only god".Some people say that the Hind swastika and sauwastika not only stand for the sun and the night but also for two powerful gods.Throughout history we find the swastika in many variations, sometimes even with with nice archs instead of straight lines.Hitler would not have been able to get so much impossible technology (for that time) without the help and guidance of the VRIL society.One theory that gained popularity over the years goes like this:The VRIL were said to have been able to use their mental capabilities to contact "aliens" - most likely though just other "VRIL" and where they came from or where they were based is still debatable.According to VRIL suggestions a swastika had to be used as the symbol of Nazi power.Otherwise "the great plan" would not work.As the swastika is seen as a symbol of the "gods" and the VRIL were the closest thing to living gods the swastika was changed to reflect this connection to Hitler and the Nazies in general.The reversed and angled symbol used to let those with the right knowledge know that "the gods are here" and that "the gods are helping".Basically a warning to other "higher beings" to stay out of it or risk prosecution...The German term "Hakenkreuz" was never really used for any swastika symbol until the Nazies came.The claim here is that it was a deliberate disguise so the "common folks" would not get the right idea - what the "plan" really was.The other famous symbol used was the "Reichsadler".Again just another Nazi chosen symbol with no real meaning.But if you go back in time you find it in basically all ancient cultures and also in many pictographs and in a simplified form in cave paintings.Like the swastika it often appears together with the gods and "people from the sky".You can search the globe for this symbol and you will find it on every continent and through our entire history - known or unknown.For those guiding Hitler and proving the VRIL their first entry into Nazi headquarters and introducing to Hitler it was slightly different though.This elite group of people was not limited to high ranking SS officials or those closest to Hitler...They were present in similar high and influencial positions in the UK, USA, Russia and only struggled in the eastern regions due to their destinct western appearance.In all those countries these people "in the know" used different symbols, a bit like idependet chapters if you like.Some of you will know the symbols used...To make the Nazie cause stand out it was a very easy choice to use this bird like symbol as it was used before with a different meaning.The combination of the "Reichsadler" with the swastika however was the creation of the VRIL.Indicating that the gods themself would not only watch out for the Nazies but that they are also in charge.The later part however was not really fully disclosed by the VRIL to the Nazies or Hitler.If then most if not all new technologies developed by Nazi Germany were provided by the VRIL society we have to wonder what exactly these technologies might have been.It is not too hard to get an idea about what was done in Germany before Hitler arrived.There was steel, there was manufacturing, there was "electronics" but nothing in a really major way, just very good quality.Some even say the slogan "Made in Germany!" was meant as a reminder of there old times when real craftsmanship was at all time levels.The initial war development was focussed on just conventional designs and technologies, nothing fancy.I like to call it the "search phase".In the second phase Hitler became obsessed with the need to dicypher anient texts and to re-create the technology of the gods.But also with finding all remaining artefacts or working ancient technology.The Vril and those having planned Hitlers career he was the perfect dummy.There was no need to push him ,just provide a hint here and there plus some guidance and new ideas...Wernher von Braum himself stated that he and his team has support from the VRIL and that "higher beings" provided technical drawings and technological samples.The idea of a jet engine was not a natural development either.It was a reverse engeneering attempt of an engine from something much bigger.Appearently the biggest problem was not to make it smaller but to modify it so fuel we had available could be used.The big original was said to have used plasma instead of burning fuel to generate the required pressure to drive the turbine blades....Even the great advances in organic chemistry are claimed by some to have (partially) orginated from examining a crashed UFO in 1936.Old documents are claimed to reveal that a group of scientists and over 30 guarding SS soldiers were killed almost instantly when a fuel line was damaged.Later analysis of this fuel and other components of the craft are said to have provided "enough insight" to develop things like explosives, fertilisers and all sorts of chemicals used to create even worse things, like phosphor based compounds...Ancient symbols have been remodeled and re-used over and over again.Some even by companies, on bank notes, as a symbol of relious groups but also by extemists of all sorts.Quite a few family ties still exist today that link people and companies to ancient cults and "knowledge bases".In almost all cases in modern times used to symbolise power or to indicate "being better" or "advanced".It can be quite revealing to follow some bread crumbs scattered throughout history to see how just a hand full of families can control the faith and development of entire coutries.Some of these family members or if you prefer members of the club are in charge of countries today....And all these families have the same goals...In my next part I will provide some theories about the ark of the covenant ;)

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The ultimate challenge?

There are always good contests available for those keen on competing, but what about a real challenge that might run for many months? I am talking about rediscovering ancient technologies and ways of creating things. We have a lot of evidence that is in massive contrast to what archeologists want to make us believe. Be it the way the pyramids were build or just in what timeframe, the use of technologies thought to be impossible at that time or just the knowledge of things like star constellations that are not not visisble to the naked eye. In a lot of areas it seems not only archeologists but also some "secret powers" try to put a hold on discovering what was really possible thausands or maybe even millions of years ago. Things like the knowledge of distand star systems that are invisible to the naked eye might never find a suitable explanation. But what about tools and technologies used to create stonework that is hard if not impossible to create with our modern tools and technologies? I dare everyone to participate in the impossible! We know thausands of years ago milling, drilling, machining and lathe work was done but we have no real clue how it was done. At times when the rest of human kind was happy using stone tools and otherwise just hunt and gather for food some areas saw an explosion in technology. Within less than a few hundert years some builders in Egypt went from simple and explainable works to stuff impossible to do in today times. Same for India, the UK and the american continent. No hardend steel tools were ever found, no machines, no evidence on the how to, just the perfect work. Here is the challenge I propose: Come up with: 1. A way to cut or drill granite and harder rocks without modern tools or tech and still do it faster and more accurate. 2. A way to match hard rocks to each other with a precision down to less than a mm - as shown in many ancient buildings preferably on a big scale. 3. A way to create delicate carvings in hard rocks, things like hollow heads less than 5cm in size or cravings with spaces of less than 3mm wide and several cm deep - as shown in many India sculptures. 4. A way to build a lathe capable or turning several tons of steel with an accuracy better than half a mm and without electrical or combustion engines. 5. A feasable way to transport and accurately position several tons of stone - again without electricity or combustion engines. 6. A way to create sculptures with an accuracy shown by the ancient Egyptian ones, meaning perfection... 7. .... I could go on but I guess you get the picture ;) The solutions could be as simple as using sound and vibration or as complicated as finding a way to create tools hard and durable enough to proove the archeologists are right after all. And before you cry out that it is impossible: Consider the evidence! We know it was done but we don't know how, so let's show the world how we at Instructables solve the problems noone can explain ;) I can't offer any real contest, prices or such but maybe someone is reading this and willing to provide the base and soem prices?

Topic by Downunder35m  

Ancient technologies revisited - How did we build our first cities and when?

For this week it is the last part of my little series.We have many really old cities in our world, if you include temples and their often huge structures itis possible to go back almost 3000 years.That is if we trust our school books and university proffessors.Speaking about ancient cities is almost impossible with speaking about Atlantis, the Maya's or Rome.And we excavated many ruins showing us that in the old time we knew a lot more about building solid houses than today.The further back in time we go the more cities disappear and are replaced by settlements.Go a big step further and all we did was living in caves and hoping our fire won't go out.In Germany we have the reamins of a famous group of cave dwellers in the area called Neanderthal.The were happy cave dwellers around 30.000 years ago.A pretty damn long way to reach the times of our first cities made from stone even if you aim low....So KNOW when we started our first human settlements and we KNOW when we were living in cave and we KNOW almost everything that happened in between that made us the modern home sapienn we are today.Or do we????Some of our ancient cultures claim their cities and monuments were build by the gods or people from the sky long before time.In this context it means long before these tribes arrived or came into existence - they were there already.But we only know carbon dating to reliably tell the age of something.Problem with this is that you can't test things rocks as they were carved from older rocks and there is no difference in their "age".We need organic maretial like wood, or manufacutred things like pottery or formed metal objects to get a clue.Means if things like a big flood happened all evidence of times before could have simply vanished for the "time records".And mainstream archeology is always right - right?There is a big problem our histroy records are facing now.People started paying attention to undeniable facts.Like for example that animations showing us how our earth evolved and how the continets seperate are a hoax.Several ice ages happened, several times our ocean level changed by KILOMETERS!Still almost all of these animation show the coastlines unchanged - only the ice layer is added.But the changing sea levels are ignored.If you include all things plus changing sea levels these animation would give us a very different story.And so some guys came up with the idea to use what know about our topography on land and under water to check if there could have been enough "forgotten" land masses to explain certain things.Things like technolgy that we are forced to beleive did not exist during ancient times.The biggest single peice of land "discovered" was between Africa, Idian and Australia.About the size of Europe and China combined.Shortly after they set on a mission to find friends, financial supporters and tried to find "lost" cities.So far Atlantis was not found.But what was found and carbon dated - and how old are the cities??What for the church is the Ark of the covenant if for the people in India the ancient city of Dawrka - home of Krishna, one of the most importand gods over there.Ancient texts describe the city in great detail and it was declared nothing but a myth - like well, Atlantis.The most likely position of Dwarka was not too hard to find and extrapolate from the old texts but no one ever looked there until "recently".And after not too much searching a city almsot perfectly matching Dwarka was found.Go ahead and check when Kirshna ruled over Dwarka ;)Around 3100 B.C. or over 5000 years ago...Can we get closer to the Neanderthaler?I could now start a long list of cities and dates but I won't bore you that much today.The remains of an old city were found over 2000m below our current sea level.The first side sonar scans were claimed to show nothing but natural formations - according to "real" scientists.That is despite these scans being highly detailed....Of course it did not end there and remote controlled min subs with cameras and manipulators found funding and good use a few years later.The brought back images of roads, arches, walkways with perfectly square step at the end leading to higher levels.But also images or humans faces carved into stone - similar to those stone heads of unknow origins on the easter islands.And of course they collected all sorts of encrusted samples.A lot of it was useless debris but some carved wood, pottery pieces and even remains of metal were found - and carbon dated.The dating was performed several times by different instutions as the authenticty was questioned again and again.Finally the real scientists accepted the fact that the city under the sea is at least 40.000 years old....10.000 years before our caveman settled in Neanderthal.....Facts don't lie but still mainstream archeology and histry won't allow to make these fact known in school boks or normal archeology classes at our fancy univeristy.It would undermine the one thing that makes us special on this planet.It would mean we (current) humans are not the best god created - we are at best the second incarnation.....It would mean religion as we know it would be obsololete and become a farce.It would mean our technological advances in the last 300 or so years are nothing compared to what existed long before we thought cave men were the first humans.One human will accept and understand these simple facts but not their implication if EVERYONE would not just assume but ACCEPT that we are just second best...As said facts won't lie, so I will continue my series with a lot more mostly unknow facts and some realistic theories well worth thinking about.One day we might have the technology to explore these underwater cities properly but we might never figure our or accept how they were build.Well, unless we accept more than just these cities exists and how old they really are.Stay tuned!

Topic by Downunder35m  

How can I install Ubuntu on a Windows laptop?A R31 ThinkPad,to be precise.? Answered

I have gotten bored of Windows on this machine.No drivers are necessary,and people have done it.Specs:R31 modelTrackBall only120MB RAM10GB HDD1.20 GHz Intel CeleronPS.The pic is a R51 ThinkPad.PPS.Trackballs on laptops are the way to go.They should take my laptop as an example to theirs.

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"Sonic" drilling or cutting

If we look up sonic drills today we usually get some fancy machines driving pipes in the ground, preferably softer ground.But the term includes all types of machines that use sonic vibrations to advance through a media.With the ancient and claimed to have never existed technologies in mind I did some digging...In the food industry vibrating knifes are quite common, same for "air knifes" on softer food.Even in the meat industry they find more and more uses now.Ultrasonic cutting or welding is the same thing and included in "sonic".Same for some experimental sub sonic drilling methods currently being tested.The general idea might be as old as using vibrating equippment to compact stuff, like concrete, bricks and so on.What you can compact by vibration you can also make "fluid" by vibration.Industrial feeder systems utilise this to the extreme by even making light and fine particles like flour move like water without causing any dusting.What all the techniques have in common that a suitable tool or tool head is used and that it is attempted to use the most suitable vibration frequency for the job.Anyone operating an ultrasonic welder knows the pain of finetuning for a new electrode or just new part to be welded.What does that tell us now that makes the understanding easier?Take a bottle of ketchup, preferably one that is still quite full.Turn it upside down and noothing comes out.Shake it a bit and you are either lucky or drowned in red.But hold it at an angle and start tapping it and the red sauce flows out easily.What it true for most newtonian fluids is in some way also true for non-newtonian fluids.Ever mixed corn starch and water to make these funny experiments with it?Hit it hard and it reacts really hard and is not sticky at all.Leave your hand resting on it and in sinks in and sticks to it.Stirring it very slowly is easy, go faster and you get stuck.You can do similar things with by using an external source for vibrations.For example a vibration speaker mounted to a smal cup of the goo.If you place sand on a sloped piece of plastic or sheet metal then at a low angle it will pile up easy and stay.Start vibrating the plate and the sand will start to flow off.Works fine with a vibration source mounted to a piece of steel bar or rod and a bucket of sand too.Trying to press it into the sand requires a lot of force, especially once you are a bit deeper.Let it vibrate properly and it slides rights down.If we can do the simple stuff as well as really complicated stuff in the industry then what about other materials?So far we use vibrations to make things move out of the way, compact things, transport them or to heat them up for welding plus some cutting applications.Considering the variety one might wonder why no one tries it for "difficult" materials.Machined surface can be found throughout ancient history.Finding "machined things" were vibrations was clearly used is a bit harder.The great walls are not a perfect example here as the views differ quite a bit on how they could have been created.But if we leave things melting them or a secret concret like recipe for creating for example granite then vibrations start to make some sense.You find some interesting videos on youtube where people use speakers, wires and rocks to confirm you can actually "machine" them by vibrations.Especially granite has some quite musical properties, big boulders as well as smaller ones produce destinct sounds when you hit them hard.Tests and measurements were made on granite and other hard rocks to check how fast sound travels in them , how it is refeclted and where the sound comes out or affects the surface the most.Lets just say every sample gave different results.Shape, density and dimensions affect not just the resonant frequency but also where and how the sound travels in the rock.What if??We can use a simple speaker, a plate and some rice to see how patterns form under various frequencies.Works with sand or other granules as well.The interesting patterns are the so called harmoncis.Here we see clear and destinct patters, sometimes with extremely fine lines and areas of softly vibrating granules.Some people say these harmonic frequencies have all special meanings and uses.We mainly used them to avoid problems.Imagine your new TV would not have a housing tested to be stable with all frequencies the speakers can produce.All of a sudden your back of the TV might start to rattle ;)Same for car engines.Harmonic vibrations are eliminated wherever possible.Otherwise they could multiply and affect other things in the engine or around it.Simply put it means we have various options to detect and measure vibrations on a surface or in a system.Back in the day every half decent backup generator had a mechanical indicator for the frequency of the supplied electricity.A set of tiny forks with the desired on painted red and several on either side of it.These forks were designed to get into harmonic and therfor quite intense vibrations at their set frequency.If the one for 50Hz looked blurry then all was good ;)The same principle god be applied on a big boulder of granite.Place the "vibration meter" at the desired spot and start moving around the vibration source on the surface until you find a spot that causes maximum response on the meter.Best thing here is that if you then place that surface area onto another peice of fixed in place granite both pieces will start to loose substance if vibrations are applied.The fine sediment forming is then usable as an indicator where to move the vibration source to continue once the effect literally wears off.Is it feasable?Well, if we trust mainstream science then the answer is no.A huge amount of vibration energy would be required for such a hard material, despite ancient proof that says otherwise.Semi industrial test also seemed to confirm the theory as only with very high amplitudes (loudness) and while automatically adjusting for the resonant frequency changes a measurable amount of material was removed.I struggle a bit with that as for the testing tool heads made from hardened steel or carbide were used.And that with little or no regards on how the head and tool itself affects the output.I mean in terms of having the max possible movement happening right t the tool contact surface!There is a huge difference between applying a vibration to a tool and using a system, tool and tool head DESIGNED to work at the desired frequency!Otherwise we wouldn't need a computer to design and test a horn for welding purposes or shade a knife spefically so that the vibration go along the right axis and in the right direction.You not break a hard thing with a very soft thing unless it travels fast enough to become harder as the target!This complicated explanation basically just confirms that if you hit water at a too high speed then it will just break you into pieces instead of offering a soft splashPlease do not jump of bridges or such to confirm this yourself!!If that is really true and science says it is, then how about the other way around?Works fine too, or we wouldn't have pressure washers or water cutters.Now for the part where I hope some really smart people leave helpful comments:If we can cut steel with just a stream of water, then I ask:Isn't for example copper much harder than water?Steel is much harder than copper but water cuts through it.The answer here it simple or complicated, depending on how you want to expain how it works.Comes down to speed and pressure plus the right nozzle shape to prevent a beam expansion.But then water is indeed "harder than steel".Questions:Lets say we would use a copper pipe that in lenght, thickness, hardness and diameter is optimised to transmit a frequency so the pipe end sees the max vibration like a feed horn for ultrasonic welding.Not to hard to calculate these days :)Now imagine said "main frequency" would be optimised for the pipe but also be a harmonic frequency of the rock to be worked on.The pipe end would deform quickly, abrasion does the rest and it fails before even making a decent sratch that is not copper metal on granite.No matter how hard we press nothing good enough will ever happen.BUT: If we would add more hormainc frequencies to feed our pipe we can multiply the amplitude quite easy!Just try with a sound generator from your app store, needs 2 or more channels to be usable.Pick for example 400hZ on one and 800Hz on another, then finetune around these number to hear how the tone changes ;)My theory goes like this:If all "working frequencies" would just harmonics of the resonant frequency of the granite, then they can be tuned so the effect on the pipe end is minimised.The overlaying frequencies however should result in the same effect a water cutter has: The pipe becomes ultra hard.The better the match and the more you have to get it right the harder the pipe will be.Adding now a "drilling frequency" or multiple could be used to drive these harmonics slightly out of phase.Like with the sound generator on your phone we end up with a pulsating sound, or vibration.While the pipe still vibrates at the same "hardening" mix the drilling frequency creates a peak like a jackhammer.Try it by using the heaphone output on a small speaker and placing some light and tiny things into the cone.The will violently jump around during these pulsing tones.For a drilling system the output can be mechanically maximised by utilising a pitchfork design.A head holds the vibration speakers and the tynes are tuned good enough to the frequency of the speakers.Always two would have to operate in sync though as otherwise the pitchfork movement that transfers the sound down the center bar won't work.This head could then be desgined to act as a holder for a quick change of work out pipes that are no longer long enough for tuning.I guesstimate that a well tuned design would result in a copper pipe being able to drill at least 10 to 15cm into solid granite before it wears off too much.And we are talking here about just a few mm to get the thing out of tune!But would dare to desing such a thing just to confirm a theory that no one ever really dared to test? ;)And if friction welding works as good as ultrasonic welding, then what would happen if we try this with the right frequencies and vibrations instead of wasting tons of energy?

Topic by Downunder35m  

Mind checking out my kantele instructable?

I need comments and (constructive)criticism on my kantele instructable, almost 200 views but only one comment, blah... Especially I want to see what kinds of kanteles will be built by you, crazy crafty folks! Hopefully even someone takes notice, gets intrigued and starts building this ancient lore instrument . Link below:

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Coin striker

I want to make a steel striker to make an ancient coin by sandwiching a soft metal disk between two steel pieces, one the face and the other the obverse. Then strike it with a mallet. It's for a living history display.

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Prophecies for Future Research

800 years from now, archeologists will conduct research on landfills and compare international findings concerning the wealth of an ancient culture based on the amount on disposable diapers found. Share your own.  

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My comments won't post in Safari from my iMac?

Why will my comments not post from my iMac, but my ancient powerbook posts comments fine?

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Replace broken appliance handle

The plastic handle on my ancient upright freezer broke.  The manufacturer no longer makes the part.  The screw holes on the door are 9 1/4" apart.  What is the easiest way to make a replacement handle? 

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PLANS Dragon Tiger Chu Ko Nu Repeating Crossbow

This is a set of complete plans for a Dragon or Tiger "Chu ko nu." To be purchased on Etsy as a downloadable set of files:;_search_type=all&ga;_view_type=gallery&ga;_search_query=repeating crossbow&ref;=sr_gallery_1    It is an ancient Chinese mechanical repeating crossbow. The plans include the printable dragon and tiger patterns that you glue on to your wood pieces, then cut out and wood-burn the beautiful pattern. Then you can paint or stain it how you want to. It is a crossbow and a sculpture, like a display woodworking item that is also fun to shoot! Assembly instructions here: I have been fascinated by this type of crossbow since my early teen years and have been building and experimenting with them for more than 10 years. This set of plans displays my most current and refined iteration. It is very fun to make this and see your own fine work come together, then see and feel the mechanism function smoothly. Very satisfying. To build this you will need some small hardwood boards as will be listed on the cover page of the plans (this wood is available at hardware stores ex: Lowes). You will also need white glue, two wood screws, and one small nail. The plans are delivered to you as a digital download in a zip file with all the pages in it. Tools needed include: Saw (prefer a band saw with scrolling blade, but a thin bladed hand saw can work), Sand paper, Round wood file, Clamps for gluing, Drill with selection of bits, Wood burning tool.

Topic by Jaycub  

Old LCD Backlight...What to do...

I have a typical CCFL-lit LCD backlight that I tore out of an ancient, dying laptop with an ancient, dying screen. The backlight is roughly 25.5cm x 19 cm (9 7/8" x 7 1/2") and about .5cm (1/4") thick. When around 18VDC is applied to the inverter, the whole rectangle lights up with a perfectly even, white, light. I've been trying to come up with something cool to do with it. So far, these ideas have included: -With a piece of protective plastic, a small lightbox for tracing or viewing negatives/slides -Mounted over a desk for a really cool lamp -Illuminated sign Does anyone have any brilliant ideas for what to build with this? A project worthy of the geekiness or the materials?

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Oldest Computer Music Surfaces

The oldest known computer music has recently surfaced on the magical entitiy sometimes referred to by village elders as " the internet." Prepare yourself for an ancient digitally generated version of "Baa Baa Black Sheep" and a short sampling of "In the Mood." (image courtesy, UT News and Information Archive, the Center for American History)

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Ayre and Dance. The most awesome orchestra song ever!

       My school band is playing Ayre and Dance, and I think it is awesome!  I really like the beggining. It really brings out thoughts of ancient times. Its also kind of that awesome creepy.  The mood change is pretty weird and awesome too.

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How do those Harmony balls, or Baoding balls, actually work? Answered

The most I've gotten is it's a "sphere within a sphere and there's a bell", but I don't want to cut one of mine open. Is it an ancient chinese secret.? I thought it might be like a rain stick with thin metal soldered to the inside surface with a loose ball to strike them.

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I need help identifying a tube

I pulled it out of a channel selector on an ancient tv, and i cant find anything on the internet about it, its short and fat with 9 pins, Written on it is the general electric symbol, followed by electronic tube, the only thing i can find on it that may be indentification is 18c-5, if it helps it was in there with an 6hq5 tube. If you could tell me what this is i would be grateful

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Sodium Glow

Sleep is not restful here. The clouds serve as reading lamps. The sodium vapor glows. Cloudless, moonless nights, I can see my feet. The darkness will not come. Night escapes we tired city dwellers. The sodium glows just as bright as before. The ancients knew what night was, They couldn't see their hands in front of their face. They went to sleep at dusk. We modern night owls fire up the street lights. The ugly sodium glow.

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can a gas snowblower be converted to an electric motor?

I have an ancient snowblower with a clapped out Tecumseh engine that burns oil faster than gasoline.  Has anyone done a conversion to an electric motor, and is it feasible ie cost of electricity?  Would I need a 220 VAC outlet or could a 110 motor handle the load?  I live in Alberta, and we get a metric butt load of snow.  Thoughts?

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