Help for completion of Knee Walker Project ?

Hi Everyone I have a problem with a project I started to overcome my unique disability , this project was to basically install low powered electric motor on a kneewalker so I could get assistance / go off-road , yet still use it manually if need be i.e. to get some exercise or more importantly if battery dies ( something I cant do with mobility scooter or wheelchair  ) The problem however is I cant do this myself due my disability ( weld it , use power tools etc ) so I had this person i meet on a another  forum who agreed to help me - but unfortunately he hasnt   - so instead I am trying to find a replacement for him or any one that is willing to help. The motor itself ( Motor - MW12B GoldenMotor  )seems to work fine using a Lyens controller , but  unfortunately there is no direct link to the hub motor whose details are below. Model: MW12B -- 12" Motor Wheel Voltage:36V (Brushless) Power Rate:250W Weight: 4.8Kgs You will have to got to the gm website on the link above click on hub motors and scroll down to find more details , including links to 3d drawings . You can see the motor itself working in following videos that were posted by the person who still has it video1 video2 video3 Due to the size difference of the wheel  ( 16" compared to the front 9" using MTB tires ) amongst other things, we were  trying to find a way to mount it that he suggested would probably involve having to weld on some strong rear forks from a bike  or perhaps something else. Ive included the whole assessment / plan we did based on our mutual ideas and discussions below for reference, but Im afraid thats pretty much it , as I dont have any of the parts here for reference or than the basic facts . If any ones interested in helping , or going me any advice Id be grateful for your suggestions , if any ones wants to offer their services at a price just send me a pm and we discuss things further. thanks for listening , heres the assessment / plan I mentioned.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I need to figure out a rough plan for the wheel mounting, plus brake mounting. We need to get disc and caliper. We need to figure out what front wheels, how to mount them, and how to fix the sloppy steering. In order to go see a welder we need to know where to weld the dropouts, the caliper mounts, and what, if any welding to do at the front end. Assessment Frame - good, solid, heavy. bulletproof. Wheels - strong, solid, better made with bearings etc better than expected. but hard tires are not nice, and wheels are a little too thin and too small. I expect its easy to get hung up on small obstacles. brakes - crap. none existent basically. Just a bit of metal pushing on the tyre. Also the lever is either crap or a bit broken. need to inspect it. steering - not very good but not crap. whole linkgae is a bit loose and wobbly, just held together by a few bolts. this means it has a fair bit of play in the steering. The whole thing with the bolts is that they have to be a bit loose otherwise the steering won't move. not a very good design. but it will do. handlebars/stem/steerer - designed to be collapsible easily, which is good, but there is also excessive play in this as well. it will do but its not great. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thoughts.... Because there is four wheels, I found that on uneven floors (just around the front room the floorboards were uneven enough) one wheel is often off the ground a tiny bit. This would be solved by having 3 wheels or tyres with a bit of give in them. I would not want to keep any of the wheels. I would want to replace the front wheels with something a bit wider softer and grippier. like scooter wheels or MTB wheels. Brakes - the center of gravity is quite far forward. if it had brakes only on the front then i feel like it might tip over. then again, with the weight of the frame, the motor, batteries and person, maybe not. I will do some testing. Motors - Golden has the 8" single sided solid tyre motors that would be the easiest conversion, but I don't like the solid tyres and I don't like having 2 wheels at the back. I already ran into my foot. There is also the 8" double sided solid tire. This is not so easy either because it is the same size as the existing wheels therefore the axle would want to go exactly where the existing axles join. Could be done with cutting and welding but would be a pain, plus you still have the solid tire etc. I held up a 12" dinner plate and I reckon it would not look so bad actually. I will take some pics tomorrow. It looks like we would need to cut off a bit of the back section and weld on some dropouts, a bit higher up and further in than the existing axle mounts.. It looks like it will fit under the knee platform ok as well. Controller - because we may well end up with a motor that is not exactly right for the job, I think its all the more important we get a controller with some intelligence. Something programmable where we can set a low voltage, top speed etc. This leads us back to the GM controller, Lyens mini monster, or......I just thought, hmmm the kelly controllers are programmable - well they do a little controller that might be up for the job as well. In fact it looks the most programmable one so far. It is the mini one next to the coke can here: Hub & Wheel Motor Controller | EV Parts They have one that does 12-24v for $79 or $99 depending on max amps. You can get it waterproof for an extra $19 http://kellycontroller.com/kbs2405120a1 ... p-499.html It is fully programmable, see the software screenshots and manual here: Kelly KBS controllers online demo/help-Kelly Controls, LLC http://kellycontroller.com/mot/download ... Manual.pdf You need a serial port on your computer to program it, if you don't have one you need a serial to USB converter. They sell one for $29. Kelly are good controllers. I never thought of them until just now - I usually associate them with high power controllers for cars and motorbikes. When I used to work at Sevcon (who make argubaly the best...and most expensive...controllers you can get.)....kelly was one of the few competitors we kept an eye on. If you look at the setup software, you can fine tune min throttle, max throttle, max amps, max speed, all kinds of things. It will be just the ticket for fine tuning. --------------------------------------------------------------------- So........... This would be my personal plan right now - Electronics: $115 Motor - MW12B (GM) $98 kelly controller waterproofed $29 Serial RS232 to USB converter (from kelly) $20 throttle (max) $20 ebrake lever (max) $50 wiring, connectors, etc -------- $332 Frame / Fabrication: $50 old steel bike to steal dropouts off (maximum, probably less from craigslist or a garage sale) $150 to pay someone to weld the dropouts on and maybe brake caliper mounts plus machine front wheel mounts if necessary for new wheels (maximum) $50 (max) 2 front wheels MTB or scooter 8 inch with pneumatic tyres. $30 (max) new axles, bolts, washers etc $30 box for battery plus mounting bolts etc $50 (max) for respray or powdercoat frame (will be messy after welding. something to put the battery in ----------------------- $360 Brakes $20 (max) brake disk for rear plus screw on adapter for rear hub Brake discs $40 (max) brake caliper (cable ok, hydraulic not needed) $50 bolt on brake caliper mount (seen them somewhere but can't find right now) price is a guess. --------------------------- $110 Battery depends. I am clueless as to the requirements of this system. I can test with my own batteries once it is setup. Then we will know, but at a minimum you will be talking about 18 or 24v 10 amp hour. That is : $199 from ping

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Knee Walker frame adaption for dropouts / swingarm ?

I posted this in the Burning Questions just in case there are any Samaritans out there. : ) Heres the original post the describes my situation and what I would like ( someone to weld / adapt knee walker so it can mount 12 " hub motor ) thanks, hele

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E- walker idea ?

Hey All- I’m the new gal on the block - not round it , so I thought I'd skip proceedings and get to the main point why im here ( aside from the fact I like to learn more , meet people and of course take over the world ) The problem then , and it is big problem , is that I have disability and so Im looking at way I can get around better than I have been . One of these ideas of late has involved basically using something called a knee walker , which you can see here[url]http://www.phc-online.com/Knee_Walker_p/neebop-785.htm[/url] , and trying to adapt it so I have electrical asssitance / power for rought terrain , typical paths here and steeper hills. To add to this problem is the fact I know nill , not even the basics really ,of how I should go about this , other than other examples of what people have done and seem feasible . I don’t have have soldering kits, milling machines or any of that stuff for cutting adapting frames , and TBH would rather try to avoid if i can , simply because I dont want my knee walker too look much like a DIY job / unprofessional and therefore not the credible disability device it currently is. Speed is not issue , I guess 4mph is fine , though it would be nice to go a bit faster for more difficult ground I.e. even off road . The tires I think I can replace with moutainboard given their the same size , ( provided wheelbase checks out ) and the battery has to be ideally be lithium I.e. as opposed to lead. I don’t really mind whether its 2 or 4 wheel drive but figured ( because the axle is all sealed off on both sides ) a hub motor might be the only way of achieving this idea. Any way, that’s just about it , I still need to take the wheels off to confirm the wheel base but other than that , I cant think of much more to say. If any one has any suggestions then on how a complete beginner could make this idea a reality I’d really appreciate . Thanks a lot helena

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Walker/Rollator/KneeScooter type of DIY varieties for knee problem

Hi I am totally new here but have used the search so need your help. I have knee problems. But needs something other than a standard Walker/Rollator So I looked on youtube and google for kneescooters or rideons and Balance Bikes. The reason is that I need something to sit on. A KneeScooter is ideal for that kind of thing. Them are like a knew walker or knee rollator but one sit on them instead. So why don't I just buy the best of them and just love it :) Well them are on the wrong continent. I live in and are a native of Sweden which is Northern Europe in case you wonder. We don't know about such high tech over here. Sure we have same "assisted" Scooters like you have. Like sitting on a three or four wheel Motor Scooter but electric instead of Gasoline. Heavy things you can not take inside unless you buy the coolapsable that is rather neatly made. Anyway I don't really need motor assist I do have muscles so I can pedal a bike but bikes are not allowed inside the Mall and get stolen outside the Mall. Bikes are frown upon on the communal transport like Bus or Commuter Train and such. A Rollator or a Wheeled Walker is allowed everywhere so what I need is a KneeScooter that looks and behaves like a standard Wheeled Walker/Rollator but that one can sit on and ride like a Balance bike for kids. I can try to link to or upload drawings later how I have tried to envision what such would look like or function. So to conclude. It should appear to the Guards, Security Persons at the Mall like any standard Rollator. But then outside when them look away you touch a few buttons or something and it transforms into this handy BalanceBike but for grownups that allow me to push and kick myself striding or riding along but without pedals or motors. Dimensions maybe at most a yard = some 3 feet length and width maybe at most 2 feet and height adjustable for individual length of legs. So it should change between two positions or functions. Like a Rollator Wheeled Walker and then change to a Balance Bike or toddlers bike without pedals so it should be caster wheel as a Rollator but steerable front wheel as a Balance Bike.

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Walking robot - very cool, despite the headlights being in its knees...

This chap has home-built a Jansen-style walker. It's a well-made video as well.

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Help needed to upgrade wheels on walker for all-terrain ?

I've been trying to source a rim / hub  for my e-walker project , and so far havent been succesful  in finding the exact measurments I need  7.5 " wheel / 46 mm width with 9- 10mm bearing ( SEE BELOW ) http://www.mcmaster.com/#ball-and-rolle ... gs/=9i3dx1 The spacer inside the wheel based on my measurements is 2.7 mm in length and 13 mm in diameter ( outside ) Any way , it seems the best match I can find for hub , tire so far is one of those wheels used on those razor electric scooters  here  though I do not see any bore sizes for any of them, in spite of being told there are after emailing them that its up there ( you can see for yourelf if you like ) So instead, I did websearch on the model of the scooter that correlated with the sorta wheel specs that might work - like e100 razor  and found 8mm mentioned a few times , which I assumed might be the correct diameter of the axel / bore size i need. ( I have also asked on scooter forum to confirm this ) 8 mm however is too small to fit my own  knee walker mobility device , so I was wondering - to cut a long story short  - if there is any way I can enlarge the hole in the bearings that might be realtively easy i.e. without paying someone else ( assuming this could be done easily ) or having to buy a rim with a bigger bore and using some sort of hub ring to make u the difference ( perhaps a bad idea for hun motor ) Again , if any one has any suggestion they willing to share I'd be more than greateful for your ideas and badly needed advice  :) thanks once again. hele

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What sort of Bearings are this ?

Hello, Im trying to see if I can find a replacement bearings so I can try out a larger / better wheel on my knee walker mobility device that has 8 mm bore as opposed to the 7 mm i have now. However after searching the web im still not exactly sure what type I have in order to find a replacement . You can see the bearings below in my photos . http://www.flickr.com/photos/28633046@N02/ ( sorry no zoom in lens ) Any one have any ideas as to what is , and if not what options i have to replace them ? thanks helena

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Trying to cut bike frames ( for physically impaired person ) ?

Hello once again, I've sorta been sneaking around trying to decide what the best way to go about trying to cut ( basically a bike frame ) without doing it manaually and = or spending too much cash I dont have. Welders look like they'd require a high skill level to hold and I cant really hold- or in fact even BE near things- that causes high or noticable rpm , so the hacksaw doesnt seem too great an idea either . But what i was thinking ,was that I could use some of sort of clamp set up so that I didnt have to hold the hacksaw while cutting the frame ( its really a knee walker frame ) If this seems like a good idea or  any one has any other suggestions or ideas that might allow me to do this  , i really appreciate your opnion on the best way I should go. thanks hele

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Balance Bike type of RideOn but for grown ups? NoPedals

You know all the kind of training bikes LikeABike and Strider RideOn so many different brands and varieties and naturally them are for the kids so young them have not learned to pedal and keep balance so these first "bikes" are for them to run along like on a "Hobby Horse" kind of thing that have the added safety of both feet on the ground when them need to gain balance again. Them sit and walk or run and seem to really enjoy it. Now suppose you are some 65 years older than these kids. You have the balance and can go by pedaled bike but them are not allowed to take on the Commuter Train or on the Bus that goes to the big Mall you want to visit and when you arrive no bike is allowed in so it get vandalized or stolen outside. But if you had a Walker or Rollator kind of mobility aid then that would be allowed. So what if one took a "Toddler" bike and made a grown up RideOne or BalanceBike for grown ups. No pedals on it. That would not get allowed either unless it has an electric motor and look like an expensive Mobility Scooter. So one need a Rollator that transforms into a RideOn. type of seated thing that can be used to move around on. I wish one could easily combine these two things but I fail to have enough innovation fantasy on how to accomplish this. So I test if kind people here get a clue or hang on how one could do such a thing. Transformer Bike/Rollator or what to name it. I have bought several Rollators and several KickBoard GoPed similar versions one are supposed to stand on or walk behind All of these are hurting the knee. So one need a seated thing. Sure it does exists already. The KneeScooter but that one have a seat that is too narrow so it hurts the butt. The customers complained so now one can buy an extra seat or saddle to it that is broader and less painful. But the KneeScooter does not look like a Rollator at all. It looks like a Scooter. A Rollator need Castering wheels in the front that seems a must. It can be a three wheel as long as the caster is the front wheel. Now if you sit on a four or three wheel thing and push of or kick off with feet on the ground then there is now way to steer the thing. so a transformer bike/rolator need to change from free wheeling caster to a steered caster to be safe. So that is the criteria and difference. In one position it looks like a real standard Rollator that you walk behind or in front off. Then after pushing the magig button it turns into the steerable seated balance bike kind of mobility RideOn for grown ups with knee problems. I have written about this in another post too so hope I am not breaching a hard hitting rule. Here I ask more what to name such a thing and how to make that thing so popular that the accumulated popularity makes the commercial companies aware of the need. If we can come up with a catchy name for such a thing then somebody maybe make one and test the market? On the other thread I ask for somebody to help me figure out how to DIY make one or to modify a standard Rollator so it can fill both functions. You would make me very happy if you come up with a catchy name for such a thing.

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